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Post by kalmanta on Mar 17, 2021 13:13:04 GMT -5
On a related note to my above post, it is somewhat ironic that Beyonce was the prior 'exception to the rule' example in SOTY, because I'm pretty convinced the reason she has never been able to win AOTY is because there is a large portion of the voting crowd that simply does not see or respect her as an artist who makes a significant contribution to her own music. The number of writers and constant questioning of how valid her own writing credits are, are always the first two things that are thrown in her fans' face when people question her self-titled and Lemonade losses. But there are many artists and collaborators in the industry who praised her involvement and relentless work ethic when it comes to writing, producing and overseeing the complete creation process. Not just that, she’s directly involved im every single decision from the album rollout, to the marketing and tours/performances. Why does the Academy turn the blind eye on that? I think it has something to do with her early career. Coming from a girl band, it‘s hard to build a reputation or to be taken seriously, the same in the 00s, being a pop/RnB hybrid star who always focused on the visual aspect more than anybody else. Maybe it has something to do with her seeming as she was trying to be perfect, „having no personality“. I‘m in no way trying to bash Adele, I absolutely respect her, but it’s kinda funny to me that she‘s been marketed as the „vocal powerhouse“, „the girl who brought real soul back“, a „real, classic“ and gifted „songstress“, when in fact she‘s lacking on every front vocally compared to the „basic performer“ Beyoncé.
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Post by Rican@ on Mar 17, 2021 13:21:31 GMT -5
But we have the exception of the rule, Bruno who did a R&B album and won. Personally, race and genre go hand in hand when it comes to panel. If Bruno was black, he wouldn’t won. You really need to stop with this narrative. Bruno may not identify as African American or Black American, but there is black in the groups that make up his racial identity, and I will call you out on it every single time when you deny him the right to possess his own identity. Not to mention, he is a proud person of color, whose heritage is not a mystery. The conversation here is in the advantage that white privilege holds over marginalized groups, of which Bruno fits that categorization. ANYWAYS!!! Carry on. You’re not calling out nothing. You aren’t going to tell me what I think. I said what I said. If you think otherwise, that’s your business. Don’t quote me. My thing is the downplaying of what’s going on. It’s why racism continues because there is always an exception to the rule. Oh, so and so did that so that happens to be the case attitude.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 17, 2021 14:18:04 GMT -5
You really need to stop with this narrative. Bruno may not identify as African American or Black American, but there is black in the groups that make up his racial identity, and I will call you out on it every single time when you deny him the right to possess his own identity. Not to mention, he is a proud person of color, whose heritage is not a mystery. The conversation here is in the advantage that white privilege holds over marginalized groups, of which Bruno fits that categorization. ANYWAYS!!! Carry on. You’re not calling out nothing. You aren’t going to tell me what I think. I said what I said. If you think otherwise, that’s your business. Don’t quote me. My thing is the downplaying of what’s going on. It’s why racism continues because there is always an exception to the rule. Oh, so and so did that so that happens to be the case attitude. At a minimum Bruno is non-white considering his dad is half Puerto Rican and his mom is Filipina. Are you suggesting the Grammys are more favorable to those races than Black?
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Post by back2blk on Mar 17, 2021 15:05:48 GMT -5
You’re not calling out nothing. You aren’t going to tell me what I think. I said what I said. If you think otherwise, that’s your business. Don’t quote me. My thing is the downplaying of what’s going on. It’s why racism continues because there is always an exception to the rule. Oh, so and so did that so that happens to be the case attitude. At a minimum Bruno is non-white considering his dad is half Puerto Rican and his mom is Filipina. Are you suggesting the Grammys are more favorable to those races than Black? At a minimum? Black people are Puerto Rican. And again, while I have not applied any identity to Bruno Mars, it needs to be acknowledged that his background does include populations included in the Diaspora, and the U.S.-centric perspective of what is black is what contributes to anti-blackness and the erasure of black people as part of multiple ethnic groups.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 17, 2021 16:01:06 GMT -5
At a minimum Bruno is non-white considering his dad is half Puerto Rican and his mom is Filipina. Are you suggesting the Grammys are more favorable to those races than Black? At a minimum? Black people are Puerto Rican. Of course they can be, but I am not sure of what you are saying here. It reads as if you are saying all Black people are Puerto Rican. Maybe you mean "Puerto Ricans are Black people?" I believe all of this to be true. Do you have any information on how Bruno and his family identify?
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Post by back2blk on Mar 17, 2021 16:22:40 GMT -5
At a minimum? Black people are Puerto Rican. Of course they can be, but I am not sure of what you are saying here. It reads as if you are saying all Black people are Puerto Rican. Maybe you mean "Puerto Ricans are Black people?" I believe all of this to be true. Do you have any information on how Bruno and his family identify? lol yes, I mean the reverse. I don't know how Bruno or his family identifies, but he's spoken about and acknowledged his mixed race MANY times. In this article with Latina magazine he expressly relates black music to various genres, and even states how in his Puerto Rican heritage, salsa music has black roots. Bruno Mars Covers 'Latina,' Talks Mixed Ethnicity, Black Music's Influence & Mother's PassingBut neither his family nor Bruno need to identify as black to acknowledge that it is present in his ancestry.
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Post by Ty on Mar 17, 2021 22:24:47 GMT -5
Doja Cat's Grammy performance of "Say So" is #1 trending on YouTube right now!
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Post by Joe1240 on Mar 18, 2021 2:30:19 GMT -5
Happy for Taylor Swift's Grammy win for Folklore AOTY.Very well deserved and she had a great performance. As for the ratings drop, it is kinda of expected given that the music landscape has changed so much over the years with the streaming era and people listening to various genres and artists not exposed at the Grammys. The Grammys have had many snubs over the years that have overshadowed it for so long that many people have lost interest in it.
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Post by thezatch on Mar 18, 2021 12:40:06 GMT -5
Happy for Taylor Swift's Grammy win for Folklore AOTY.Very well deserved and she had a great performance. As for the ratings drop, it is kinda of expected given that the music landscape has changed so much over the years with the streaming era and people listening to various genres and artists not exposed at the Grammys. The Grammys have had many snubs over the years that have overshadowed it for so long that many people have lost interest in it. It doesn't help that the show is still on CBS, which caters to a much older demographic than NBC, ABC or FOX. That demographic has NO idea who "Megan Three Stallion"* is and when their faves of yesteryear aren't listed as a performer during the commercials anymore, they don't tune in. The younger demos prefer to watch everything on their phones so they don't tune in either. * an actual quote from an older family member of mine on Facebook whom was appalled by her and Cardi's performance.
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Post by Choco on Mar 18, 2021 17:26:43 GMT -5
Again, the ratings drop had little to do with the show itself. Look at the Golden Globes. All awards shows have been down for years, but post-pandemic the drops only increased (several factors, like Zoom fatigue, disinterest in watching privileged individuals get recognized while the world is literal hell, increase in use of other outlets like videogaming and streaming while linear TV has only accelerated it's drops).
Your grandpa wasn't tuning a decade ago for Beyoncé or Taylor either. It's the casual viewers that have gone away (they were likely on Netflix, Disney+, Fortnite or Twitch at the time).
Even the Super Bowl had a multi-year low performance this year.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 19, 2021 16:07:52 GMT -5
In retrospect, VMAs did amazing: "The show received 6.4 million viewers in its first-run viewing (excluding livestreams through network apps), a 5% decrease from the 6.8 million viewers at the previous ceremony."
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Mar 19, 2021 17:17:24 GMT -5
In retrospect, VMAs did amazing: "The show received 6.4 million viewers in its first-run viewing (excluding livestreams through network apps), a 5% decrease from the 6.8 million viewers at the previous ceremony." From what I did see of the telecast, I thought it was done quite well.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 23, 2021 4:34:02 GMT -5
I barely realized but the Grammys awards the “Producer of the Year” but not the “Songwriter of the Year”. What a missed opportunity to award such an important aspect of a song...
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 23, 2021 8:44:48 GMT -5
I barely realized but the Grammys awards the “Producer of the Year” but not the “Songwriter of the Year”. What a missed opportunity to award such an important aspect of a song... This exclusion and also the lack of a Pop Song category are strange, and as you said, also a slight to songwriters.
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Post by Choco on Mar 23, 2021 9:48:16 GMT -5
I've always found it a little weird that Best New Artist exists but not Artist of the Year. Especially since tbh, they could probably combine SOTY and ROTY.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 23, 2021 10:46:30 GMT -5
All of the song awards are specifically for songwriters and all of the performance and album awards are typically for artists, aren’t they? So it makes sense that there is a producers and engineer of the year award but not an artist or songwriter of the year. Not having a best pop song is odd to me tho since it implies that pop music isn’t as much of a craft as other genres. I think I read a guess about why there isn’t one because the song of the year award kind of stands in as a pop song of the year so there’d more likely be redundancy there compared to other genres, but they rarely award straight up pop songs in the general category.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 23, 2021 10:58:13 GMT -5
All of the song awards are specifically for songwriters and all of the performance and album awards are typically for artists, aren’t they? So it makes sense that there is a producers and engineer of the year award but not an artist or songwriter of the year. Not having a best pop song is odd to me tho since it implies that pop music isn’t as much of a craft as other genres. I think I read a guess about why there isn’t one because the song of the year award kind of stands in as a pop song of the year so there’d more likely be redundancy there compared to other genres, but they rarely award straight up pop songs in the general category. ROTY and AOTY go to the producers as well.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 23, 2021 11:08:37 GMT -5
All of the song awards are specifically for songwriters and all of the performance and album awards are typically for artists, aren’t they? So it makes sense that there is a producers and engineer of the year award but not an artist or songwriter of the year. Not having a best pop song is odd to me tho since it implies that pop music isn’t as much of a craft as other genres. I think I read a guess about why there isn’t one because the song of the year award kind of stands in as a pop song of the year so there’d more likely be redundancy there compared to other genres, but they rarely award straight up pop songs in the general category. ROTY and AOTY go to the producers as well. Yeah, I consider ROTY a “performance” award similar to Best Pop Performance or Duo/Group Performance awards. I think the description of them is the same. Edit: unless you mean the award themselves is specifically awarding the producer along with the artist, which I think it is. So with that said, maybe it is strange there’s a producer of the year award and not artist of the year? It’s never been something I thought of as strange because producers didn’t really get as much attention whereas artists do, and with so many awards geared toward the artists, it made sense to me that producers have their own award that is maybe voted on by other producers whereas the general album and ROTY awards are voted on by a larger group of people who may not focus on the production aspects.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 23, 2021 15:49:34 GMT -5
ROTY and AOTY go to the producers as well. Yeah, I consider ROTY a “performance” award similar to Best Pop Performance or Duo/Group Performance awards. I think the description of them is the same. Edit: unless you mean the award themselves is specifically awarding the producer along with the artist, which I think it is. So with that said, maybe it is strange there’s a producer of the year award and not artist of the year? It’s never been something I thought of as strange because producers didn’t really get as much attention whereas artists do, and with so many awards geared toward the artists, it made sense to me that producers have their own award that is maybe voted on by other producers whereas the general album and ROTY awards are voted on by a larger group of people who may not focus on the production aspects. Right. Producers can literally win three Grammys for the same work. Last year Finneas won Album of the Year and Pop Album for producing Billie's album, and he won Producer of the Year for that same album. Of course in theory Producer of the Year could produce multiple things, and I think it makes sense as a category. At the same time, I get the suggestion of a Songwriter of the Year category. Obviously there are usually songwriters who are part of a lot of songs in any given year. Why shouldn't they be able to win for that breadth of work the way a producer can?
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