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Post by nickd on Feb 1, 2020 14:03:31 GMT -5
nickd thanks for the research and those figures! Can't believe the comparison between cities in the Philippines and France (funny because I have spent three months in the Philippines very recently! I miss it!) I am not surprised at France and Russia not connecting to what she represents... for cultural reasons I guess? She has had for a long time this etiquette of "America's sweetheart" or even "Southern Belle". Too clean, too virtuous, too "innocent" - and mostly too calculated and contrived. She has been herself and outspoken only lately (in terms of politics, being an ally and a feminist). But that was not the case at all years ago. Thanks for enlightening me on the other places in which she does well, there are some interesting stats! If you check her "about" tab on Spotify, you'll see that she has two Asian cities in her top 5 cities, Jakarta at #3, and Quezon City at #4. I'm guessing Quezon City includes some of the adjacent cities within Metro Manila since the city proper is only 2.5 million people and it's ranked ahead of New York City. Still, Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna, Katy, Britney and Madonna don't have a single Asian city in their top 5 sources of listeners. I suppose she did play that "America's Sweetheart" character on TV interviews and stuff, but I always thought that was kind of funny and cute because I always felt like she was doing that as a joke. I mean there is a part of her that genuinely has some of that but she's also had vlogs, behind the scenes footage, performances and interviews where you saw a different side of her. Anyways, I think she's ambitious and idealistic in a way that embodies values common in America. There is definitely some cynicism in America too, people who have given up on the American dream, people who are drugged up and depressed, but I think a lot of the people in America who were drawn to her were more on the optimistic side. My impression of France is that a lot of people there can be pretty cynical? Southeast Asia seems to be quite idealistic and drawn to the American dream though, and a lot of the cultures there are also quite sentimental. And I think America's influence over East and Southeast Asia in the 20th century has definitely contributed to those regions being drawn to American culture. There's not as much data from the usual Western platforms and apps for China since they don't use them, but she does very well too, these were the top selling Western albums in 2019 for Starsing Music, which is China's biggest physical retailer. She's the only Western artist that's able to compete against the most popular Asian acts there on their digital platforms. Keeping in mind that most of these platforms launched in 2016, these are the top selling digital artists in China with the sales in Yuan (1 USD = approx 7 Yuan). 1. Lu Han: 102,869,000 2. Taylor Swift: 98,299,000 3. Chris Lee: 94,445,000 4. Lay Zhang: 89,466,000 5. Jay Chou: 74,928,000 6. Cai Xukun: 55,272,000 7. Hua Chenyu: 52,323,000 8. BIGBANG: 49,160,000 9. Wang Yibo: 46,120,000 10. Eason Chan: 45,057,000 11. JJ Lin: 43,369,000 12. BTS: 43,162,000 13. Rocket Girl 101: 41,408,000 If you divide the total sales by the price (which remains constant, they don't do discounts), you can get the top selling digital albums by Western artists in China in units 1. Reputation: 1,644,000 2. 1989: 1,623,000 3. Lover: 1,559,000 4. Kamikaze: 497,000 5. Origins: 468,000 6. Bloom: 431,000 7. Evolve: 427,000 8. Thank U Next: 416,000 9. Revival: 359,000 10. Red Pill Blues: 331,000 Taylor's appeal to younger generations might help her in South and SE Asia as well, compared to Adele, Lady Gaga or Beyonce, who's fans are mostly 25+ now. Taylor has a decent number of 25+ fans but she still has a decent reach among college aged adults and even high school aged demos aren't too bad for her. The median age in the Philippines is 23.5, in India it's 28.1, in Indonesia it's 30.2, in the US it's 38.1, in France it's 41.4 and in Italy it's 45.5. I'm guessing that the 10-25 year old demo is also going to be more strongly represented among people fluent in English and with internet access/literacy too. So it makes sense for artists with more recent peaks like Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendes, Selena Gomez to be more popular than the ones who peaked 10-15 years ago. Taylor's breakthrough in most of Asia seems to have been with Love Story by the way, except in the Philippines where it began with the pop cross-over success of Teardrops On My Guitar, which was still her 11th most streamed song there in the last year on Youtube, ahead of all the Red singles, Delicate, Wildest Dreams, Bad Blood and Style, and not too far behind Shake It Off charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F0dl567?date_end=2020-01-29T00%3A00%3A00Z&location=0x324053215f87de63%3A0x784790ef7a29da57&hl=en-gbWith You Belong With Me, Back To December and Love Story remaining her most popular pre-Lover songs there, it's clear that Filipinos are into Taylor's more sentimental songs, and that she's been popular there for over a decade. Even Breathe is at #20, ahead of Wildest Dreams and IKYWT...
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 1, 2020 14:30:25 GMT -5
Devil Marlena Nylund I kind of feel like Carole King (along with Joni Mitchell) is one of those names people know they're supposed to rattle off when it comes to great female songwriters because they've seen other people mention them a lot, but then they only listen to 1-2 of their songs once a year. Taylor has stronger popular appeal and celebrity power that could keep her in people's minds more. And putting aside whether the songs themselves are good, a lot of the teen pop artists Carole King wrote for in the 60s-70s didn't have anywhere close to Taylor's long-term star power so that didn't help. The artists, yeah, sure, but the songs themselves have lived on. What Carole has in her favour is that a lot of artists have covered her songs for decades after they were originally written or recorded. Granted, cover songs aren't as common as they used to be and usually are only done in concert anymore, but some of the music artists like Carole have written have had incredibly long lives as songs.
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Post by nickd on Feb 1, 2020 14:48:12 GMT -5
Or the timeless masterpiece known as Back to December. I didn't mention it because the people in my country recognize Back to December as one of her most famous (or successful here) songs ❤️ Yeah, it was her 2nd most streamed pre-Lover song in the Philippines on Youtube in the last 12 months according to Youtube insights. Globally it's only #15 on Youtube, but it's much more popular in SE Asia in general (but especially in the Phillipines). Other songs that are unusually popular in certain countries include Style and Red, which are very popular in Hong Kong and Taiwan, and I assume China (but can't confirm since they don't have Youtube), WANEGBT which is absolutely huge in Japan. In Thailand, Safe & Sound was about 50% more streamed than Shake It Off last year, and Style, Back To December and Red are very popular as well. Europe's appreciation of Taylor Swift seems more surface level, with a lot of Europeans it seems she's mostly known as the Shake It Off girl and the girl they didn't realize was on I Don't Wanna Live Forever.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 1, 2020 15:03:13 GMT -5
Eventually, she will be big in Europe (the moon of Jupiter, not the continent). She will move there after the big scandal of the 2055 Grammys, when she interrupte North West acceptance speech. Europa???
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Post by nickd on Feb 1, 2020 15:04:14 GMT -5
Devil Marlena Nylund I kind of feel like Carole King (along with Joni Mitchell) is one of those names people know they're supposed to rattle off when it comes to great female songwriters because they've seen other people mention them a lot, but then they only listen to 1-2 of their songs once a year. Taylor has stronger popular appeal and celebrity power that could keep her in people's minds more. And putting aside whether the songs themselves are good, a lot of the teen pop artists Carole King wrote for in the 60s-70s didn't have anywhere close to Taylor's long-term star power so that didn't help. The artists, yeah, sure, but the songs themselves have lived on. What Carole has in her favour is that a lot of artists have covered her songs for decades after they were originally written or recorded. Granted, cover songs aren't as common as they used to be and usually are only done in concert anymore, but some of the music artists like Carole have written have had incredibly long lives as songs. Her songs have definitely had a longer life than some other songwriters', including a lot of the other Brill Building songwriters. Or looking beyond the Brill Building at songwriters like Kal Mann or John D. Loudermilk's... they had a ton of hits, but they're pretty much all forgotten. However, I think rock stars from a similar time like John Fogerty and Mick Jagger have seen more of their songs retain popularity despite not having more hits than Carole King/Gerry Goffin.
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Post by newpower on Feb 1, 2020 15:14:17 GMT -5
Eventually, she will be big in Europe (the moon of Jupiter, not the continent). She will move there after the big scandal of the 2055 Grammys, when she interrupte North West acceptance speech. Europa??? It’s the same.... (in Spanish) :)
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Post by bhadbhabie on Feb 5, 2020 22:24:12 GMT -5
It's impossible for her to not be "seen as a legend". She's already way beyond that level.
I am no Swiftie, but this has been obvious since "1989".
She's not just one of the biggest hitmakers of all time, she's also got the strongest following of any female artist in the modern era.
Most likely, Swift's career will wind down by the end of the decade, and maybe some fools will try to clown on her and kick her while she's down like they did Madonna. Women seem to get it harsher than men.
This also depends on whether Taylor sorta bows out gracefully or if she tries hard and flops.
But ultimately, peak Taylor from 10 years ago is already timeless. The respect for that music isn't going anywhere, and will only grow as the generation that grew up with her ages.
Worst case scenario is that she will be ignored by people born after her relevance. But she's always going to have the legend status from the people who grew up with her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 6:09:21 GMT -5
Bumping this after Folklore/Evermore's release. Has their release affected her legacy, for better or for worse?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 24, 2020 8:09:43 GMT -5
Definitely for better; they were kinda left-turn and very well-received. Only cements things for her, I'd think.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 24, 2020 8:58:23 GMT -5
Bumping this after Folklore/Evermore's release. Has their release affected her legacy, for better or for worse? Nah.
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Post by Caviar on Dec 24, 2020 13:07:21 GMT -5
She's a legend. There's nothing more to say here.
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Post by marcyiam on Dec 24, 2020 16:56:02 GMT -5
I know there will be plenty of people here that will disagree with me and that's ok. That's why this was posted on an opinion board.
But, in my opinion, people on this board may say, for example, Carol King is a legend, but if you ask the average non-music-board person (which is the majority of people), they are not going to even have Carol in their top 10 when asked about music legends.
The average person will mention Taylor well before Carol. And the average listener is who will be listening to the music enough in the future for someone to become a legend.
I can say for certain I/general pop can name more songs for Taylor than Carol. But maybe if I/they were a teen/20s during Carol's time it would be found she was just like Taylor is to listeners now. I don't know. Just my thoughts. And good chance they don't make sense. Lol
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Post by kimberly on Dec 24, 2020 17:12:21 GMT -5
I don't know if there's an artist from the past I would compare her to. She's known as a songwriter, obviously, but I don't think she'll have the profile of songwriters like Carole King, for example, or Paul McCartney or whatever, and she's not known as a strong vocalist, nor has she been overly vocal about anything in particular - yet she's still achieved a lot, is focused more around the music than image or pop culture, and has had her fair share of industry drama. yep, she'll be remembered for being business savvy, navigating drama, speaking out for herself and other artists before any specific song/album/era imo. I'd compare her level of success to Beyoncé & Lady Gaga, but Taylor definitely has less of a personality (which is not a bad thing, but makes her a less memorable legend) After folklore + evermore, her legacy has definitely improved in terms of critical reception and even fanfare. I've also had very interesting conversations about Taylor between when I wrote this post and now and I think this year really cemented her name as a legend in music history.
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Post by Sounds from the Other Side on Dec 24, 2020 17:27:44 GMT -5
Taylor's worldwide popularity is something I've looked at several times before. France is basically her weakest market after Russia and Italy. Not surprised. I think the only Taylor Swift singles I have heard here are "Shake It Off" and "Bad Blood".
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 24, 2020 17:39:20 GMT -5
I don’t think she’ll be viewed in the way that she would prefer. She would prefer to be thought of as a Joni Mitchell-style, but her most enduring hits will be “You Belong With Me”, “Love Story”, and “Shake It Off”. That is what shapes her image. These past two releases have not changed that in the same way that BEYONCÉ/Lemonade changed Beyoncé’s.
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Post by Koochie on Dec 24, 2020 22:17:45 GMT -5
I don’t think she’ll be viewed in the way that she would prefer. She would prefer to be thought of as a Joni Mitchell-style, but her most enduring hits will be “You Belong With Me”, “Love Story”, and “Shake It Off”. That is what shapes her image. These past two releases have not changed that in the same way that BEYONCÉ/Lemonade changed Beyoncé’s. "Look What You Made Me Do" changed music forever you're delusional
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Post by nak on Dec 24, 2020 22:56:52 GMT -5
A legend who made good music.
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Post by Private Dancer on Dec 25, 2020 12:33:58 GMT -5
Playing the victim and singing about her exes. That part
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 25, 2020 13:57:36 GMT -5
I know there will be plenty of people here that will disagree with me and that's ok. That's why this was posted on an opinion board. But, in my opinion, people on this board may say, for example, Carol King is a legend, but if you ask the average non-music-board person (which is the majority of people), they are not going to even have Carol in their top 10 when asked about music legends. The average person will mention Taylor well before Carol. And the average listener is who will be listening to the music enough in the future for someone to become a legend. I can say for certain I/general pop can name more songs for Taylor than Carol. But maybe if I/they were a teen/20s during Carol's time it would be found she was just like Taylor is to listeners now. I don't know. Just my thoughts. And good chance they don't make sense. Lol Who determines when someone is a legend? It’s just like every other “title” artists or celebrities are given. There’s no definition for what an icon is, or a legend, or whatever. And we could go by general consensus, but unless you’re Elvis or the Beatles, there are going to be people who won’t know who they are or will just see them as a historical figure that their grandparents or parents listened to when they were younger. To me, it’s about how well they were preserved and how they’re looked back on. Carole King might not be someone people are familiar with now, but among songwriters and people familiar and knowledgeable about that style of music, she’s pretty significant. Is she in the top 10? Definitely not. But who says the list has to have limits? Music goes back generations and has tons of influencers and I certainly wouldn’t rely on the “general public” to decide that musicians like Billie Holiday, Benny Goodman, Robert Johnson, or Joni Mitchell should be deemed legends.
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Post by marcyiam on Dec 25, 2020 18:15:17 GMT -5
I know there will be plenty of people here that will disagree with me and that's ok. That's why this was posted on an opinion board. But, in my opinion, people on this board may say, for example, Carol King is a legend, but if you ask the average non-music-board person (which is the majority of people), they are not going to even have Carol in their top 10 when asked about music legends. The average person will mention Taylor well before Carol. And the average listener is who will be listening to the music enough in the future for someone to become a legend. I can say for certain I/general pop can name more songs for Taylor than Carol. But maybe if I/they were a teen/20s during Carol's time it would be found she was just like Taylor is to listeners now. I don't know. Just my thoughts. And good chance they don't make sense. Lol Who determines when someone is a legend? It’s just like every other “title” artists or celebrities are given. There’s no definition for what an icon is, or a legend, or whatever. And we could go by general consensus, but unless you’re Elvis or the Beatles, there are going to be people who won’t know who they are or will just see them as a historical figure that their grandparents or parents listened to when they were younger. To me, it’s about how well they were preserved and how they’re looked back on. Carole King might not be someone people are familiar with now, but among songwriters and people familiar and knowledgeable about that style of music, she’s pretty significant. Is she in the top 10? Definitely not. But who says the list has to have limits? Music goes back generations and has tons of influencers and I certainly wouldn’t rely on the “general public” to decide that musicians like Billie Holiday, Benny Goodman, Robert Johnson, or Joni Mitchell should be deemed legends. Eh - the "top 10" was just a number I used. Didn't say there had to be a limit. And you're right - there is no official definition. That's why I said it was just my opinion. And, in my opinion, for someone to be a legend, the majority of people should know who they are well after their prime and know a decent amount of their catalogue. Will Taylor end up that way? I don't know. Do you have to agree? Nope.
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Post by Choco on Dec 29, 2020 8:41:57 GMT -5
Too early to tell about the last two albums. The songs had zero longevity; even with similar runs on the Hot 100 people still quoted Flawless, Partition, Drunk in Love and even Formation in a way that none of the Taylor tracks have been able to reach.
They sold well and will probably get a few Grammys. But the average Joe will quote Shake it Off instead.
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Post by anecdote on Dec 29, 2020 8:50:16 GMT -5
Too early to tell about the last two albums. The songs had zero longevity; even with similar runs on the Hot 100 people still quoted Flawless, Partition, Drunk in Love and even Formation in a way that none of the Taylor tracks have been able to reach. They sold well and will probably get a few Grammys. But the average Joe will quote Shake it Off instead. To be fair actual artists tend to have their legacy live on through albums, not singles. Born To Die was one of the most influential albums of the decade but none of its singles captured the zeitgeist that, say, something from that time like We Found Love or Party Rock Anthem did, yet it's that album whose influence was visible in multiple alternative albums of the decade. A critically acclaimed album like Melodrama will probably be more remembered than something like Divide will be in 2047. The one album I have heard from the 1970's is Hejira by Joni Mitchell, not the albums with hit singles. I don't think I have ever seen anyone quote Drunk In Love or Formation or heck even Partition.
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Post by Choco on Dec 29, 2020 9:30:05 GMT -5
Let's agree to disagree, because I love Lorde but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that you could walk into a room where 99% have heard "Shape of You" without knowing any Melodrama tracks. The average listener only knows the big hit singles.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 29, 2020 9:55:42 GMT -5
I feel like Miss American actually helped ease back all the bullshit backlash she got for in the early 2010s. She's a great songwriter, even if certain Pulse users still refuse to see that
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 29, 2020 9:59:29 GMT -5
Let's agree to disagree, because I love Lorde but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that you could walk into a room where 99% have heard "Shape of You" without knowing any Melodrama tracks. The average listener only knows the big hit singles. True but most people do know of folklore and evermore: they know Taylor Swift dropped a critically acclaimed album because she's that big a name and as the year go on. I can see folklore and evermore's reputation (pun unintended) continuing to grow. Think of it similar to actors and actresses. Most people will recognize Scarlett Johansson because of the MCU movies but most how also probably heard she's good in other movies like Lost in Translation and Marriage Story, even if they haven't seen them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 10:15:57 GMT -5
As I see it, the General Public looks at Taylor Swift as the "Love Story" & "Shake It Off" girl who writes about her exes & became a snake in 2016-2017. As for music-lovers and fans, they will see her as one of the most talented singer-songwriters who penned classics such as "Enchanted", "State of Grace", "august", and "Wildest Dreams".
Most of my friends (aka locals) don't know that Taylor released folklore/evermore this year (or they don't care). So I'm sure that they don't see the less-manufactured version of Swift. Most people remember her for the 1989 era & cheesy hits such as "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together", "Bad Blood", and possibly "ME!".
But the truth of the matter is that Taylor can easily adapt to the music industry due to her incredibly smart business ethic, and she always carves her own lane to succeed in. She saw that country wasn't going to make her a superstar so she transferred gradually to pop. Then after a couple eras she realized there was no more room for her to grow in pop, so she went for the toned-down acoustic & folk route. She's incredibly versatile, personable, and of course, wicked smart. Her songwriting skills, ear for hits, and longevity will be admired for decades - by people like us, at least. As for the GP, I think she'll always be the ex-hater girl.
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Post by nickd on Dec 30, 2020 2:02:18 GMT -5
I don’t think she’ll be viewed in the way that she would prefer. She would prefer to be thought of as a Joni Mitchell-style, but her most enduring hits will be “You Belong With Me”, “Love Story”, and “Shake It Off”. That is what shapes her image. These past two releases have not changed that in the same way that BEYONCÉ/Lemonade changed Beyoncé’s. It's true, there's a lot of people that only know Taylor for those songs. But there's also a lot of people who don't even know a single Joni Mitchell song. I don't think Taylor necessarily wants to be remembered in the same way as Joni Mitchell, at least not exactly. She didn't become a huge pop star by accident, that was something she always wanted. And I think pop music was something she always enjoyed listening to and creating. So I don't think she has a problem with that being part of her legacy. I think she'd also like to have a few songs that are more storytelling/lyrically driven be part of her legacy, but I don't think that will necessarily be a problem. These were her most streamed songs on Spotify from her Big Machine era albums. How many people would've predicted that All Too Well would be out-streaming birthday classic "22" and #1 hit "Bad Blood" a few years ago? BS 418,803 LS 393,357 SIO 359,572 IKYWT 307,423 WD 289,543 WANEGBT 263,362 YBWM 232,773 Delicate 200,178 LWYMMD 192,075 Style 189,388 ATW 172,454 22 144,521 BB 128,473 BTD 114,379 GC 109,499 EHC 106,296 Red 105,719 RFI 105,284 OOTW 99,568 IDSB 98,125 Sure, "locals" that grew up in the 00s-10s will remember only her biggest hits. But are they going to play them at home or in their car for their kids (when they have kids)? Probably not. The people streaming All Too Well on the other hand... I'd say there's a pretty good chance they'll play "Red" for their kids. Will the next generation of artists inspired by Taylor be people who only know her big hits, or people who know several of her albums in full? If you like Taylor enough to be influenced by her, I'd have to believe you'll know more than her big hits. Her hardcore fans have been able to drive her Spotify stats towards highlighting fan favorites more and more with time. All Too Well wasn't out-streaming 22 and Bad Blood in 2017-2018, but it is now. Getaway Car wasn't out-streaming End Game and Ready For It during Reputation's first 1-2 years, but it is now. How much more could her hardcore fans drive up her fan favorites 5, 10, 20 years from now? All Too Well is already pretty close to out-streaming Shake It Off on Youtube Philippines (3.53m streams for SIO vs 3.26m streams for ATW in the last 12 months). The Philippines is possibly her top performing market btw, even ahead of the US, China, Australia and Canada. Back To December is one of the most popular Western songs of all time there (along with Love Story and You Belong With Me), and much bigger than Shake It Off. Here are the daily listeners for her top Big Machine era songs on last.fm. There's still some casual fans listening to her on last.fm, but it definitely skews more towards her core fans. BS: 3171 Style: 2897 WD: 2762 ATW: 2533 GC: 2336 Delicate: 2313 SIO: 2271 LWYMMD: 2217 LS: 2161 IKYWT: 2120 OOTW: 2049 IDSB: 1925 YBWM: 1883 WANEGBT: 1851 DBM: 1847 Style and All Too Well are both performing really well compared to her biggest hits. Out of the Woods, I Did Something Bad, Don't Blame Me and Getaway Car are doing pretty well too. When a teenager in 2040 decides to look up Taylor's most popular songs on Spotify (or whatever replaces it), I wouldn't be surprised if fans manage to drive Style or All Too Well into her "top 10 most popular". Or if they look up what music publications or influencers have to say about her music, there's a decently good chance they'll mention Speak Now, Red/All Too Well, Style, Folklore/Evermore, and whatever else she does in the future that end up being fan favorites.
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Post by nickd on Dec 30, 2020 2:17:39 GMT -5
As I see it, the General Public looks at Taylor Swift as the "Love Story" & "Shake It Off" girl who writes about her exes & became a snake in 2016-2017. As for music-lovers and fans, they will see her as one of the most talented singer-songwriters who penned classics such as "Enchanted", "State of Grace", "august", and "Wildest Dreams". Most of my friends (aka locals) don't know that Taylor released folklore/evermore this year (or they don't care). So I'm sure that they don't see the less-manufactured version of Swift. Most people remember her for the 1989 era & cheesy hits such as "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together", "Bad Blood", and possibly "ME!". But the truth of the matter is that Taylor can easily adapt to the music industry due to her incredibly smart business ethic, and she always carves her own lane to succeed in. She saw that country wasn't going to make her a superstar so she transferred gradually to pop. Then after a couple eras she realized there was no more room for her to grow in pop, so she went for the toned-down acoustic & folk route. She's incredibly versatile, personable, and of course, wicked smart. Her songwriting skills, ear for hits, and longevity will be admired for decades - by people like us, at least. As for the GP, I think she'll always be the ex-hater girl. The general public might have been reading about Taylor & her exes in the tabloids in 2010, and 2012 and 2014, but they haven't been doing so in 2018, they haven't been doing so this year, and most likely won't be in the future either (even if she does break up with Joe, the media isn't as obsessed with that relationship due to it being out of the public eye). They're probably tired of the Kanye-Taylor drama and have no desire to re-watch the "Imma Let You Finish" moment on an annual basis. But hopefully they will come back to their favorite 2-3 Taylor Swift songs on an annual basis. They're also not the ones who will be talking about Taylor 20 years from now. The ones who will will be her fans (or at least more informed music-lovers/critics) and I think the narrative from them will be more positive and focused on the quality of her music. So I feel like a lot of the stupid bulls**t will fade from the public consciousness with time - as it has with many other artists from past eras.
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