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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 10:53:27 GMT -5
Welp, they're out and they're not good. Positive: 55.9% (lowest current) Favorite: 22.1% (middle of the pack) Negative: 24.1% (middle of the pack, but high for its age) (Net: 31.8%) Burn: 12.3% (high for its age, but everything seems to be high this week) Familiarity: 81.2% Debuts at #27/35 overall. Thanks to "Intentions," it's not the last current! pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/7549636/thread |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -5
Nah, not bothered with call out scores as radio is dropping this anyway.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 11:18:06 GMT -5
Nah, not bothered with call out scores as radio is dropping this anyway. It's probably why they're dropping it, though. Radio has access to scores both before we do and before songs hit the familiarity score needed. |
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 17, 2020 11:29:46 GMT -5
I'm not too bothered if this doesn't go much further (even though it would be #1 for weeks if I had my way), I just hope it has decent longevity
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 11:49:03 GMT -5
I knew call-outs wouldn't be good. I think even if goodwill for Gaga is really high, radio listeners aren't as progressive so they're probably stuck in the Gaga=Artpop/Joanne/too weird mindset.
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Post by Albie on Jul 17, 2020 12:20:23 GMT -5
I knew call-outs wouldn't be good. I think even if goodwill for Gaga is really high, radio listeners aren't as progressive so they're probably stuck in the Gaga=Artpop/Joanne/too weird mindset. I think it's the opposite - at least on Pop. They don't even remember or think about her. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 12:22:51 GMT -5
Also, Rain on Me is not exactly the tailored radio sound of du jour, but it is DEFINING it  |
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Post by deepston on Jul 17, 2020 13:03:09 GMT -5
Welp, they're out and they're not good. Positive: 55.9% (lowest current) Favorite: 22.1% (middle of the pack) Negative: 24.1% (middle of the pack, but high for its age) (Net: 31.8%) Burn: 12.3% (high for its age, but everything seems to be high this week) Familiarity: 81.2% Pop continues its personal vendetta against actual pop artists. What's new... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 13:34:19 GMT -5
Pop radio really will truly never let us be happy will it
Another undeserved victim
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Post by Albie on Jul 17, 2020 13:42:39 GMT -5
I knew it was going to stall the minute KIIS FM took like 3 weeks to even add it. But I'm happy it scored top 10 anyway. Its a win to me.
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 17, 2020 13:43:25 GMT -5
Welp, they're out and they're not good. Positive: 55.9% (lowest current) Favorite: 22.1% (middle of the pack) Negative: 24.1% (middle of the pack, but high for its age) (Net: 31.8%) Burn: 12.3% (high for its age, but everything seems to be high this week) Familiarity: 81.2% Pop continues its personal vendetta against actual pop artists. What's new... Yet Harry Styles & Dua Lipa are dominating Pop radio? 💀 Their issue clearly seems to be with Gaga as opposed to Pop artists in general. Either Pop radio has unfortunately grown out of interest for her and her music, or they’re currently biased toward a specific style of Pop music; I think it’s the former. |
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 14:21:04 GMT -5
Welp, they're out and they're not good. Positive: 55.9% (lowest current) Favorite: 22.1% (middle of the pack) Negative: 24.1% (middle of the pack, but high for its age) (Net: 31.8%) Burn: 12.3% (high for its age, but everything seems to be high this week) Familiarity: 81.2% Did anyone really think this would be a positive callout? The song is very niche, and that’s polarizing to a lot of radio listeners. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 14:30:58 GMT -5
I don't think it's VERY niche, it has still great streaming numbers (over 500k on Spotify) and decent sales.
It's also top 3 on CHR in Canada so the potential definitely is there.
It is kind of European song, but some of the biggest CHR artists (Harry, Lewis, Dua) are from the UK so shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 14:32:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche, especially compared to a lot of recent hits on pop radio. But it doesn’t blend into the background as well as some recent hits as well. It’s hard to ignore this song when it comes on, for example.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 14:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 14:46:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche, especially compared to a lot of recent hits on pop radio. But it doesn’t blend into the background as well as some recent hits as well. It’s hard to ignore this song when it comes on, for example. It is very niche in the fact that it’s a song by Lady Gaga. Aside from “Shallow,” she pigeon holed herself over the years to only appeal to a specific demographic, which is the LGBTQ community. Anything by her on the radio is automatically going to get flagged by casual listeners for the simple fact that it’s Gaga. Her days of mass appeal during TF/TFM are long behind her. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 14:57:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche, especially compared to a lot of recent hits on pop radio. But it doesn’t blend into the background as well as some recent hits as well. It’s hard to ignore this song when it comes on, for example. It is very niche in the fact that it’s a song by Lady Gaga. Aside from “Shallow,” she pigeon holed herself over the years to only appeal to a specific demographic, which is the LGBTQ community. Anything by her on the radio is automatically going to get flagged by casual listeners for the simple fact that it’s Gaga. Her days of mass appeal during TF/TFM are long behind her. I’m not sure that’s really accurate but okay |
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Post by JayBoozer on Jul 17, 2020 14:59:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche, especially compared to a lot of recent hits on pop radio. But it doesn’t blend into the background as well as some recent hits as well. It’s hard to ignore this song when it comes on, for example. It is very niche in the fact that it’s a song by Lady Gaga. Aside from “Shallow,” she pigeon holed herself over the years to only appeal to a specific demographic, which is the LGBTQ community. Anything by her on the radio is automatically going to get flagged by casual listeners for the simple fact that it’s Gaga. Her days of mass appeal during TF/TFM are long behind her. She’s top 3 for Spotify Album releases this year. That’s not just lgbt fans. |
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 15:01:41 GMT -5
It is very niche in the fact that it’s a song by Lady Gaga. Aside from “Shallow,” she pigeon holed herself over the years to only appeal to a specific demographic, which is the LGBTQ community. Anything by her on the radio is automatically going to get flagged by casual listeners for the simple fact that it’s Gaga. Her days of mass appeal during TF/TFM are long behind her. She’s top 3 for Spotify Album releases this year. That’s not just lgbt fans. Again, her album sales comes from strong merchandising bundles that appealed to her Little Monsters. So I stand by what I said. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 15:07:57 GMT -5
She’s top 3 for Spotify Album releases this year. That’s not just lgbt fans. Again, her album sales comes from strong merchandising bundles that appealed to her Little Monsters. So I stand by what I said. But it doesn’t make sense. I know what you mean, I just disagree. As it stands, ROM became her first top ten on pop radio in seven years. Yet, we’re talking as if it’s underperforming. It was a hot 100 number one. From what I’ve seen, it has been one of the strongest, if not the strongest pop song on streaming this year. It has hundreds of millions of views on YouTube. It’s Top 5 in Canada and the UK. It’s held steady (relatively) on the Hot 100. Not to discount the power of the gays in the US but if they were that powerful, I’d expect to see more drag race queens and Madonna songs on the Hot 100. Plus, the album is among the biggest selling of the year. Bundles account for some of that sure, but the album is still floating somewhere near the top 10. Do bundles typically last into the second month of release? |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 15:17:27 GMT -5
Also, she had over 53M monthly listeners on Spotify a couple of weeks back (now 51.8M). Drake has 57M, Juice WRLD 39M, Lewis Capaldi 32M just to mention a few.
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 15:20:03 GMT -5
Again, her album sales comes from strong merchandising bundles that appealed to her Little Monsters. So I stand by what I said. But it doesn’t make sense. I know what you mean, I just disagree. As it stands, ROM became her first top ten on pop radio in seven years. Yet, we’re talking as if it’s underperforming. It was a hot 100 number one. From what I’ve seen, it has been one of the strongest, if not the strongest pop song on streaming this year. It has hundreds of millions of views on YouTube. It’s Top 5 in Canada and the UK. It’s held steady (relatively) on the Hot 100. Not to discount the power of the gays in the US but if they were that powerful, I’d expect to see more drag race queens and Madonna songs on the Hot 100. Plus, the album is among the biggest selling of the year. Bundles account for some of that sure, but the album is still floating somewhere near the top 10. Do bundles typically last into the second month of release? The inclusion of Ariana Grande helped turn the song into “an event single”, and very likely the reason why it even hit the Top 10 on pop. Now all the hype has settled, so it reverts back to being a Lady Gaga single. Let’s not forget about how “Stupid Love” performed. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 15:29:04 GMT -5
But it doesn’t make sense. I know what you mean, I just disagree. As it stands, ROM became her first top ten on pop radio in seven years. Yet, we’re talking as if it’s underperforming. It was a hot 100 number one. From what I’ve seen, it has been one of the strongest, if not the strongest pop song on streaming this year. It has hundreds of millions of views on YouTube. It’s Top 5 in Canada and the UK. It’s held steady (relatively) on the Hot 100. Not to discount the power of the gays in the US but if they were that powerful, I’d expect to see more drag race queens and Madonna songs on the Hot 100. Plus, the album is among the biggest selling of the year. Bundles account for some of that sure, but the album is still floating somewhere near the top 10. Do bundles typically last into the second month of release? The inclusion of Ariana Grande helped turn the song into “an event single”, and very likely the reason why it even hit the Top 10 on pop. Now all the hype has settled, so it reverts back to being a Lady Gaga single. Let’s not forget about how “Stupid Love” performed. Yet none of that explains the album performing as it has. Idk. I think labeling Gaga as a gay-only artist is outdated. |
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 15:37:21 GMT -5
The inclusion of Ariana Grande helped turn the song into “an event single”, and very likely the reason why it even hit the Top 10 on pop. Now all the hype has settled, so it reverts back to being a Lady Gaga single. Let’s not forget about how “Stupid Love” performed. Yet none of that explains the album performing as it has. Idk. I think labeling Gaga as a gay-only artist is outdated. Maybe this will explain it. shop.ladygaga.com/ |
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Jul 17, 2020 15:49:21 GMT -5
If we’re hell-bent in using Ariana as an excuse as of why this went Top 10 then tell me why Ariana and Justin (who is in a much better position with Pop than Gaga) couldn’t go Top 10? Anyone? Yeah...none so stop it with that excuse.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 15:51:11 GMT -5
Yet none of that explains the album performing as it has. Idk. I think labeling Gaga as a gay-only artist is outdated. Maybe this will explain it. shop.ladygaga.com/Yet no other gay icon is near that level. Try again. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 15:54:09 GMT -5
Returned to top ten on iTunes, thanks to Purple Disco Machine remix!
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 16:00:36 GMT -5
Yet no other gay icon is near that level. Try again. No other gay icon dropped a new album with heavy merchandising this year. I’m not sure what you are arguing with me about? That Gaga’s fanbase isn’t majority LGBTQ? Because you are definitely wrong about that. |
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Post by deepston on Jul 17, 2020 16:04:28 GMT -5
Welp, they're out and they're not good. Positive: 55.9% (lowest current) Favorite: 22.1% (middle of the pack) Negative: 24.1% (middle of the pack, but high for its age) (Net: 31.8%) Burn: 12.3% (high for its age, but everything seems to be high this week) Familiarity: 81.2% Did anyone really think this would be a positive callout? The song is very niche, and that’s polarizing to a lot of radio listeners. Niche? The song is smashing in all English markets except for the US. America is just so late to catch up on good music. The fact that US CHR is still stuck in trap-pop after all these years is laughable. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2020 16:07:26 GMT -5
Does the majority of LGBTQ+ people like her? Sure, she's been an ally for us since day 1.
Does she have lots of fans outside the LGBTQ+ community? Definitely. She has one of the biggest streaming hit of all time (Shallow), a hit movie (ASIB), 11 Grammys, 6 #1 albums, 4 #1's on Hot 100 and her tours are pretty much sold out.
It's not that hard.
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