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Post by #brayden on Jul 17, 2020 16:08:20 GMT -5
It's frustrating because this should do better, but we been knew that CHR/Pop (and their audience... whoever the f*** that actually is) is fickle as hell and doesn't make any actual sense. They have their own agenda and are consistently inconsistent in how they achieve what they want to happen. Earlier this year, they dropped "In Your Eyes" despite good callouts. One could suggest that it was dropped in favor of keeping "Blinding Lights" at the top, but its low peak doesn't make much sense when you consider they had no problem allowing Dua Lipa and Harry Styles to have two songs in the Top 10 at the same time. "Supalonely" debuted with weak callouts two months ago and yet they've somehow been able to justify keeping it afloat despite it currently being #139 on iTunes and having worse streams than this. Gaga as an artist just isn't a priority for them anymore, but she's popular enough that they can't ignore her.
Let's just pretend this is CHR/Pop in Canada... where songs like "My Oh My" and "Intentions" don't go #1 because we reward what is actually popular and/or good.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 16:42:06 GMT -5
Yet no other gay icon is near that level. Try again. No other gay icon dropped a new album with heavy merchandising this year. I’m not sure what you are arguing with me about? That Gaga’s fanbase isn’t majority LGBTQ? Because you are definitely wrong about that. You said she only did well because her audience is the LGBTQ community. You’re already adjusting your stance slightly. |
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Post by Albie on Jul 17, 2020 16:46:07 GMT -5
Whatever. Yass at the remixes breaking the internet!
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Post by degen on Jul 17, 2020 16:50:11 GMT -5
No other gay icon dropped a new album with heavy merchandising this year. I’m not sure what you are arguing with me about? That Gaga’s fanbase isn’t majority LGBTQ? Because you are definitely wrong about that. You said she only did well because her audience is the LGBTQ community. You’re already adjusting your stance slightly. I said her album is doing solid because of her loyal fanbase/merchandising. The single performing to this magnitude is a mix of hype for Gaga and Ariana being added on. In the U.S. I just don’t see this song having the same mainstream appeal as BL and Don’t Start Now. I think it’s peak on radio is very fitting. Kind of just in the middle, but at least it hit #1 on Billboard. |
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 17, 2020 16:58:50 GMT -5
Degen is twisting herself into pretzels and it's entertaining af.
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Post by collegedropout on Jul 17, 2020 17:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly niche, especially compared to a lot of recent hits on pop radio. But it doesn’t blend into the background as well as some recent hits as well. It’s hard to ignore this song when it comes on, for example. It is very niche in the fact that it’s a song by Lady Gaga. Aside from “Shallow,” she pigeon holed herself over the years to only appeal to a specific demographic, which is the LGBTQ community. Anything by her on the radio is automatically going to get flagged by casual listeners for the simple fact that it’s Gaga. Her days of mass appeal during TF/TFM are long behind her. I agree. The song itself is fine and very GP friendly. But Gaga herself is "for the gays" and is uncool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 17:16:57 GMT -5
Nah
Gaga appeals to both demographics
Ya'll bugging
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 17, 2020 18:01:49 GMT -5
Who is even providing the data for call-outs? I swear they must be asking the wrong people entirely given how little respect actual pop music is getting from what is meant to be its key radio format. :sip2:
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 18:49:52 GMT -5
Imagine being so out of touch with reality and mean spirited that you make claims like "Lady Gaga is only for the gays." Well this heterosexual man happens to love this song and have huge respect for Gaga as an artist as do many of other heterosexual acquaintances. Get your head out of the sand, degen and collegedropout. It isn't 1950 anymore. Stop making these gross, problematic comments. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 17, 2020 18:51:15 GMT -5
I’ve always said that Lady Gaga is this generations “Cher” and that’s whose career hers would most resemble, and it’s true.
Cher had a huge (although short) peak in the early-to-middle 1970’s, that also crossed over to television, before completely falling out of popularity with the GP/Mainstream radio later on albeit retaining her heavy and loyal LGBTQ+ base.
Thankfully she was able to venture into a another industry that brought her massive success and acclaim and that was films.
In the meantime, notwithstanding, she was able to see scattered musical success depending on the release but, for the most part, she was never, truly able to recover from being a ‘niche’ Pop act once past her peak and never remained a consistent commercial force thereafter - excluding “Believe”.
Of course the context is different in today’s music industry with their being so many layers of consumption (Streaming especially) but it makes sense overall.
Personally speaking, as the 2020’s move onward, I would like to see Gaga explore serious acting moreso and build upon credentials with that, or possibly even entering the Theatre industry. She’s definitely a chameleon entertainer and that’s what will keep her around for years to come even if she never sees the success of yester-year again.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 17, 2020 18:55:57 GMT -5
Who is even providing the data for call-outs? I swear they must be asking the wrong people entirely given how little respect actual pop music is getting from what is meant to be its key radio format.  this has the 3rd lowest net positive, above former #1 "Intentions" and current #4 that's gaining nicely, "Roses." hmmm. I wonder what's different about Gaga. |
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Post by thezatch on Jul 17, 2020 19:00:23 GMT -5
Personally speaking, as the 2020’s move onward, I would like to see Gaga explore serious acting moreso and build upon credentials with that, or possibly even entering the Theatre industry. She’s definitely a chameleon entertainer and that’s what will keep her around for years to come even if she never sees the success of yester-year again. She has Ridley Scott's Gucci set for release by MGM / Universal in November 2021, playing Gucci's ex-wife Patrizia Reggiani. With production on Scott's The Last Duel with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck at a standstill due to the pandemic, I wouldn't be surprised if Gucci is pushed back until that film is finished. That November release date screams Oscar campaign to me though so I hope it sticks. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 19:01:28 GMT -5
Who is even providing the data for call-outs? I swear they must be asking the wrong people entirely given how little respect actual pop music is getting from what is meant to be its key radio format. this has the 3rd lowest net positive, above former #1 "Intentions" and current #4 that's gaining nicely, "Roses." hmmm. I wonder what's different about Gaga. I would say the lack of a penis probably has something to do with it. Shame that those rumors of her being trans/a hermaphrodite ended, that could have given her a boost! (I'm only being slightly sarcastic!) But really the biggest problem is likely the lack of backing support (ie no Scooter money bags), Gaga's career age (her career peak was when Bieber started!), and the song not being massive outside of callouts like "Roses." |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 17, 2020 19:03:29 GMT -5
To be fair the superstar pairing alone can only go so far on radio (see also "Stuck with U"). But imo this is much better. And they didn't hesitate this much with "I Don't Care".  Ever think that maybe this song is just not good? |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 19:06:00 GMT -5
Ever think that maybe this song is just not good? Quality and success are almost never in balance, though. A song has to be exquisitely terrible for it to downright flop due to its quality, and that's about it. Bad songs are hits all the time. Great songs flop all the time. Quality is also subjective. Just because you don't like doesn't make it a bad song. That's the logic of a five-year-old who hasn't learned what opinions are. Let's not stoop to that level, eh? Now I don't agree the reason this stalled is completely due to sexism, but let's not act like that's not a barrier any female artist has to break through with each and every release. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 19:07:00 GMT -5
The song isn’t good. I’m dying. Yes, the song isn’t good. It only debuted at #1 because of Ariana, has had good longevity, went #10 on Pop, and has smashed globally. All the success is Ariana. Damn, Ari, at this rate, jump on everyone’s bad songs and you’ll make em a HIT!
Gaga, your days are over, pack your bags!!!
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Post by deepston on Jul 17, 2020 20:12:19 GMT -5
Ever think that maybe this song is just not good? But how can we think that if the song is just incredible? 🤔 |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jul 17, 2020 20:33:35 GMT -5
I’m wondering which people callouts actually pull data from. By the numbers, you’d think “Rain On Me” would have great scores because it’s performed consistently well on Spotify, iTunes and AM (especially AM, as pop really struggles there). But nope. I know the 90s house sound isn’t “in” at the moment, but I expected slightly better scores considering how well it’s doing on other platforms.
The scores aren’t terrible, though. Plenty of recent songs like “Supalonely” & “death bed” have opened with worse callouts. Radio didn’t dump those tracks, so we’ll see if it dumps this. Ageism may very well come into play.
@silver16 - you’re right to a point. If this song was a solo Gaga cut, it DEFINITELY wouldn’t have performed this well. However, another Grande collab with a more “current” artist, Bieber, debuted high, fell out of the Top 10 in week 2 and dropped 11 spots to 45 this week. “Rain On Me” spent 4 weeks in the top 10 and hasn’t left the top 20 yet.
Grande is the catalyst of the song’s success, that is inarguable, but she is clearly not the only factor. It takes more than a big name to keep a song chugging.
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Post by Kinney on Jul 17, 2020 20:36:29 GMT -5
The inclusion of Ariana Grande helped turn the song into “an event single”, and very likely the reason why it even hit the Top 10 on pop. Now all the hype has settled, so it reverts back to being a Lady Gaga single. Let’s not forget about how “Stupid Love” performed. Yet none of that explains the album performing as it has. Idk. I think labeling Gaga as a gay-only artist is outdated. I mean, the album is down to #24 this week (in it's 7th week) so it's not like that's going so hot either. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 21:45:32 GMT -5
Yet none of that explains the album performing as it has. Idk. I think labeling Gaga as a gay-only artist is outdated. I mean, the album is down to #24 this week (in it's 7th week) so it's not like that's going so hot either. It's doing fine. #24 in its 7th week is good for a pop album with no major smash hit. There are albums by artists getting hits that were either completely out or close to it by their 7th week. |
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Post by NeRD on Jul 17, 2020 21:47:20 GMT -5
The album is out of the Top 20. Y'all acting like it's smashing or smth. And even that is being fueled by this single which currently has more playlist reach than any song in the Pop radio Top 10.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 17, 2020 21:52:05 GMT -5
The album is out of the Top 20. Y'all acting like it's smashing or smth. And even that is being fueled by this single which currently has more playlist reach than any song in the Pop radio Top 10. It's doing fine. Y'all haters are acting like it's DOA and about to fall off the chart. Jesus. Can we just not be extreme in Gaga threads? It really isn't that hard to just see things as they are and not be blinded by hatred or standom. I also see no post even insinuating that the album is smashing hard, just doing fine/well. If you're expecting a Billie Eilish/Post Malone run with what people are saying, you're reading something that isn't there. A friendly reminder a recent female musician with an album that had a #1 Hot 100 smash on it that was so huge it's one of the most streamed songs of all time was also #24 in its 7th week. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 17, 2020 23:31:42 GMT -5
It’s funny because this single and album has way surpassed my expectations and trolls are in here trying to call it all an underperformance. Yeah okay. We know Gaga’s hitmaking days are behind her but sure, let’s pretend this song was going to be a pop radio number one that just stalled prematurely.
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Post by Rocky on Jul 17, 2020 23:46:44 GMT -5
Some people are just bored, huh. Anyway, the best we can hope for is that they don't drop it completely, and it just hovers in the lower half of the top 10 for a while. It did great for what it is notwithstanding pop radio's treatment of her. The fans are obviously going to complain about missed potentials, but that's part of being fans of an artist, I guess.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 18, 2020 1:02:49 GMT -5
It’s funny because this single and album has way surpassed my expectations and trolls are in here trying to call it all an underperformance. Yeah okay. We know Gaga’s hitmaking days are behind her but sure, let’s pretend this song was going to be a pop radio number one that just stalled prematurely. I would've been happy with top 5 because that's where it should've been considering quality/success on other platforms/star power - #1 is always more a matter of what other tracks are there at the moment and I totally understand why Blinding Lights and Adore You are there doing super well. They are the smash hits of our time. |
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Post by Normi on Jul 18, 2020 3:24:07 GMT -5
Because I've seen it being mentioned here so often
Stuck With U and this started rising on Pop radio almost simultaneously, radio could've played two Ari tracks a lot but decided to cut one, any they didn't go with the Bieber collab as he already had a song still gaining in the Top 10 and the Gaga collab was fresh and also just... Better
That's part of the reason I figure
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Post by degen on Jul 18, 2020 3:43:51 GMT -5
Imagine being so out of touch with reality and mean spirited that you make claims like "Lady Gaga is only for the gays." Well this heterosexual man happens to love this song and have huge respect for Gaga as an artist as do many of other heterosexual acquaintances. Get your head out of the sand, degen and collegedropout. It isn't 1950 anymore. Stop making these gross, problematic comments. Lol I’m gay so idk what u think ur coming at me for honey. It certainly isn’t 1950 anymore. But also it certainly isn’t 2010 anymore either. And that’s a Period. |
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Post by degen on Jul 18, 2020 3:45:41 GMT -5
The song isn’t good. I’m dying. Yes, the song isn’t good. It only debuted at #1 because of Ariana, has had good longevity, went #10 on Pop, and has smashed globally. All the success is Ariana. Damn, Ari, at this rate, jump on everyone’s bad songs and you’ll make em a HIT! Gaga, your days are over, pack your bags!!! Why didn’t “Don’t Call Me Angel” debut at #1 then? |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 18, 2020 4:07:44 GMT -5
The song isn’t good. I’m dying. Yes, the song isn’t good. It only debuted at #1 because of Ariana, has had good longevity, went #10 on Pop, and has smashed globally. All the success is Ariana. Damn, Ari, at this rate, jump on everyone’s bad songs and you’ll make em a HIT! Gaga, your days are over, pack your bags!!! Why didn’t “Don’t Call Me Angel” debut at #1 then? ever heard of sarcasm? |
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Post by degen on Jul 18, 2020 4:23:12 GMT -5
Why didn’t “Don’t Call Me Angel” debut at #1 then? ever heard of sarcasm? The song isn’t that good tho. So that’s why I was a little confused by ur sarcasm. |
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