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Post by leonagwen on May 4, 2020 21:43:28 GMT -5
What songs benefitted the most from Payola? A good example is Taylor Swift- Look What You Made Me Do. The song looked to have peaked, was getting negative updates, then all of a sudden the negative updates turned into positive updates and it surged up to #1 on Pop. Can you think of any other songs that benefitted from payola?
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Post by BB🌕 on May 4, 2020 21:44:23 GMT -5
My Oh My
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 4, 2020 21:48:36 GMT -5
My Oh My
Look What You Made Me Do
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Those are the three most obvious examples I’ve seen since following radio charts and numbers for over 20 years.
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Post by leonagwen on May 4, 2020 21:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by EvanJ on May 4, 2020 22:44:56 GMT -5
O-Town's "All Or Nothing" entered the CHR-Pop chart, fell off, and then went to Number 1.
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Post by Dielawn on May 5, 2020 0:29:30 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Lady Gaga's "Applause" was a hit from payola. As much as I was a fan of the song, I couldn't find anyone else who liked it 😕
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Post by mkarns on May 5, 2020 1:18:54 GMT -5
Do we have any clear evidence these songs were only hits due to payola, and not just name recognition or record company promotion through legit means? It seems that this is mostly just pointing out odd-looking chart moves or griping by people who dislike a particular song or artist.
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Post by leonagwen on May 5, 2020 1:38:48 GMT -5
Do we have any clear evidence these songs were only hits due to payola, and not just name recognition or record company promotion through legit means? It seems that this is mostly just pointing out odd-looking chart moves or griping by people who dislike a particular song or artist. Taylor Swift's Look What You Made Me Do is an obvious example of payola, a song that looked done getting negative spins then drastically gets +200 updates, jumps to #1, then crashed fast, setting the spin decrease record. |
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Post by Crimsonio on May 5, 2020 1:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on May 5, 2020 2:03:07 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Lady Gaga's "Applause" was a hit from payola. As much as I was a fan of the song, I couldn't find anyone else who liked it 😕 One's own peer group that is quite small isn't indicative of the general public. That is an extremely small sample and you cannot make a generalization about the general public. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on May 5, 2020 3:10:34 GMT -5
Do we have any clear evidence these songs were only hits due to payola, and not just name recognition or record company promotion through legit means? It seems that this is mostly just pointing out odd-looking chart moves or griping by people who dislike a particular song or artist. I do see the payola label thrown around far too casually when it is an artist or song that many here and at other message boards, stan twitter, reddit, etc. don't like that much or at all, or they have some other personal issues with said artists/song or the producer(s) behind the song. I looked through the entire Camila "My Oh My" thread and the term has been thrown around more than it has been in most other artists' single threads. The thing is that if there was some extra push at the end, they did that push and what's done is done and now it's over. But let's assume they did do it for this single, what prevented them from doing the same for "Shameless" and "Liar" from the era, and even in the past with "Consequences" and "Sangria Wine"? Or are they very strategic in what they do it for? But there have been instances where a song had an unpredictable or unusual run and that doesn't mean it's payola. All runs are not identical. Also, sometimes panel changes/updates have lead to some weird spin increases/decreases. The run of "Look What You Made Me Do" was quite suspicious at the end though. I am also frustrated when people keep saying that those radio daily deals for a day, or a weekend, or for some other length of time is payola when someone other than their favorite does it. If it is considered payola, then there needs to be a clear cut policy about how these are supposed to be done to be proper. Same with playlisting on Spotify and Apple Music in some of their more visible playlists and iTunes ads. Let's also remember these important tenets about payola that Au$tin mentioned last year that still hold true today (I only removed the specific references to the single thread this was written in) |
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Post by tanooki on May 5, 2020 4:07:02 GMT -5
Liar, Shameless, Havana, My Oh My, Never Be the Same, Senorita
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 5, 2020 8:06:26 GMT -5
O-Town's "All Or Nothing" entered the CHR-Pop chart, fell off, and then went to Number 1. Was it one of those cases where it charted at 40 for a week, fell out for a week and then returned? Because that’s not that strange at all, nor is it indicative of payola. Pink’s very first single There U Go did the same, except it peaked at #2. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 5, 2020 8:11:07 GMT -5
Do we have any clear evidence these songs were only hits due to payola, and not just name recognition or record company promotion through legit means? It seems that this is mostly just pointing out odd-looking chart moves or griping by people who dislike a particular song or artist. Yeah but what does record company promotion mean? I made a thread asking that question a year or so back and didn’t really get anywhere other than vague responses. As for the specific examples, I’d say we’d be looking for ones where there’s evidence the song was given ‘a push’. The three examples I gave have that clear push where the songs were forced up the chart - could be “promotion” or payola or whatever, but they were more or less synthetic. Particularly in the case of Look What You Made Me Do, which was losing airplay for a period of time before it suddenly started gaining again and within days was the greatest airplay gainer on the chart. It jumped from 5-1 and the day after reaching #1, started losing airplay and dropped from 1-5. Nothing natural about that. |
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Post by Dreams on May 5, 2020 8:24:45 GMT -5
I remember reading that Canadian Queen and iconic vocalist, Céline Dion, was giving away tickets for her first Vegas residency to radio programmers in exchange for airplay of her single "I Drove All Night". I'm not sure that particular single benefited from that practice of payola, though, as it didn't manage a high peak at the Billboard charts.  |
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Post by EvanJ on May 5, 2020 8:53:23 GMT -5
O-Town's "All Or Nothing" entered the CHR-Pop chart, fell off, and then went to Number 1. Was it one of those cases where it charted at 40 for a week, fell out for a week and then returned? Because that’s not that strange at all, nor is it indicative of payola. Pink’s very first single There U Go did the same, except it peaked at #2. I know the chart path doesn't prove payola, but I read people say it was payola on here and/or the predecessor board R&R (now defunct Radio & Records). The song is older than this board. Your username of themaxonline I thought was The Max from R&R, but you joined in 2010, so either I'm wrong or you made a new account at that time. A search didn't find a topic for it in the Nostalgia forum, and R&R's forum was deleted when it ended, so I can't provide proof. Career success or lack of career success isn't proof of payola either, but if a record company used payola to make stations play a song more than people wanted, that artist would have a short career unless the record company did payola for every single by him/her/them. Pink wasn't a fad. Boy bands (that's what people said although they didn't play instruments) got the TV shows Making The Band and the TV movie 2Gether. It's one thing for artists to be influence by other artists. It's another thing for record companies and MTV to make artists modeled after other artists. I doubt anyone here will share confessions or evidence of financial transactions by people in the industry. This topic won't have any primary sources. |
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Post by Dielawn on May 5, 2020 12:21:53 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Lady Gaga's "Applause" was a hit from payola. As much as I was a fan of the song, I couldn't find anyone else who liked it 😕 One's own peer group that is quite small isn't indicative of the general public. That is an extremely small sample and you cannot make a generalization about the general public. I lived in multiple different states during 2013-14 and went out to clubs all the time, must have asked hundreds of people. Nobody in Florida, Texas, Utah, or Maine seemed to share my love for "Applause". 😕 |
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Post by Enigma. on May 5, 2020 12:36:47 GMT -5
The "no one liked Applause" situation is a bit different, as she was basically uncool during the ARTPOP era and there was huge backlash against her outside her fanbase. Even her manager abandoned the "sinking ship" which turned out to be the birth nest of a legendary genre bending icon.
It's all "documented" in the GUY video.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 5, 2020 12:54:21 GMT -5
Was it one of those cases where it charted at 40 for a week, fell out for a week and then returned? Because that’s not that strange at all, nor is it indicative of payola. Pink’s very first single There U Go did the same, except it peaked at #2. I know the chart path doesn't prove payola, but I read people say it was payola on here and/or the predecessor board R&R (now defunct Radio & Records). The song is older than this board. Your username of themaxonline I thought was The Max from R&R, but you joined in 2010, so either I'm wrong or you made a new account at that time. A search didn't find a topic for it in the Nostalgia forum, and R&R's forum was deleted when it ended, so I can't provide proof. Career success or lack of career success isn't proof of payola either, but if a record company used payola to make stations play a song more than people wanted, that artist would have a short career unless the record company did payola for every single by him/her/them. Pink wasn't a fad. Boy bands (that's what people said although they didn't play instruments) got the TV shows Making The Band and the TV movie 2Gether. It's one thing for artists to be influence by other artists. It's another thing for record companies and MTV to make artists modeled after other artists. I doubt anyone here will share confessions or evidence of financial transactions by people in the industry. This topic won't have any primary sources. You’re assuming payola is for artists nobody wants to hear. An artist could very well benefit from payola being used to get that artist noticed and then they take off from there. I’m not saying Pink received payola. I also don’t think anyone on those boards (or these ones) really knows who did or didn’t use payola unless they have evidence in articles or whatever. I am The Max from those boards. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 5, 2020 12:55:12 GMT -5
The "no one liked Applause" situation is a bit different, as she was basically uncool during the ARTPOP era and there was huge backlash against her outside her fanbase. Even her manager abandoned the "sinking ship" which turned out to be the birth nest of a legendary genre bending icon. It's all "documented" in the GUY video. It was also probsbly uncool to publicly admit to liking her or the song at that point. I’m sure everyone jammed to it then like we do now. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on May 5, 2020 18:34:54 GMT -5
Krewella - Alive#9 on Pop #32 on the H100 That was an interesting case. The sales of it were quite low and that was in a time when digital sales were still quite strong. The song also had to resonate with the public for it to sell at all and they won't buy what they don't like. And they might like a song to a certain degree but not enough to really justify spending one dollar on it. Why buy it when you can listen to it for free on YouTube or Spotify. Perhaps people didn't feel compelled to buy it because it was inoffensive, pleasant radio filler. They won't turn it off but won't seek it out. Also, this being a Dance song, that type of genre has continued to struggle to find success outside of its own circles in the U.S. 2 more of Krewella's singles did chart on CHR/Pop ("Live For The Night" and "Enjoy Ride") but neither did well. If I recall correctly, they were in the 60s and 70s. If it were truly a payola situation with "Alive", they could have done something similar for those two and other singles. |
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Post by Enigma. on May 6, 2020 2:00:43 GMT -5
I have totally forgotten about Neon Lights, might not surprise anyone though.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 6, 2020 3:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by leonagwen on May 6, 2020 3:48:37 GMT -5
Explain why you think that? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 6, 2020 5:52:14 GMT -5
Explain why you think that? Idk, for a song that's still in the Top 25, and heavily reliant on streaming but not a monster in that department either - it peaked awhile back but is still on that charts - just feel like this song is prompt up by playlist placement more than active listening. |
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Post by hortensia on May 6, 2020 14:17:31 GMT -5
Back To You (Selena Gomez)
Bad At Love
Close To Me
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Look What You Made Me Do
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on May 6, 2020 17:42:49 GMT -5
Payola’s in full effect with this song lmao
I smell hella payola. Why her other singles not do as well. Makes you wonder
^ Yeah, Tik Tok payola did help it out a lot.
I predict the call outs for this will be horrible Spotify Payola on TTH keeping the streaming numbers afloat
Since hasn't been posted, Ill post it. PAYOLA!!!
Payolaing its way to the top.
This song is only a hit because of shameless radio payola, it's been awful on sales and streaming for MONTHS now
well the member was wrong so now he is knowing the chart-run of the song... the haters who is coming here and drag her and her song shows their insecurities and they can't stand her success...don't spent time for something that you don't like!!! It's not worth it!! How am I wrong? My Oh My is #65 on iTunes, #85 on Spotify and #181 on Apple Music. This is only a hit because of the radio payola, I am just saying the truth.
The payola just doesn't stop to get into the Top 10, a Diplo remix and a dance video, it's quite shameless.
We been knew it was payola.
Damn!!!! Today will be the last day for this at #1. the payola ran out I see...hope she snags a Marshmello collab or something
...holy s**t that was quick. POP:2 1 CAMILA CABELLO My Oh My f/DaBaby 19055 19345 -290 88.587 -365 Spins -512 Bullet -1.555 Audience HOT AC:10 8 CAMILA CABELLO My Oh My f/DaBaby 3775 3347 428 18.635 +63 Spins +4 Bullet +0.251 Audience RHYTHMIC:32 31 CAMILA CABELLO My Oh My f/DaBaby 883 823 60 2.470 = Spins -3 Bullet -0.037 Audience Honestly, I'm never one to cry payola and think it's thrown around too often... but, surely, severe case of PAYOLA?
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