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Post by #brayden on May 27, 2020 12:28:04 GMT -5
With Dua Lipa, they are trying VERY hard to make her successful, at least in the past couple of years. Like I will never understand why people so huge like Sean Paul and Calvin Harris would do songs with her, they were obviously instructed to do so. And the amount of promotion she gets on Spotify and her having such high levels of airplay doesn't make any sense either. Part of the art of creating a successful pop star is making it seem believable and organic to the public, and in this case it doesn't seem so. Shes exactly what people talk about when the say "manufactured pop acts". I disagree with some of this. I think Dua's rise has been a lot more organic/believable than say Camila Cabello's. |
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Post by kimberly on May 27, 2020 12:45:05 GMT -5
With Dua Lipa, they are trying VERY hard to make her successful, at least in the past couple of years. Like I will never understand why people so huge like Sean Paul and Calvin Harris would do songs with her, they were obviously instructed to do so. And the amount of promotion she gets on Spotify and her having such high levels of airplay doesn't make any sense either. Part of the art of creating a successful pop star is making it seem believable and organic to the public, and in this case it doesn't seem so. Shes exactly what people talk about when the say "manufactured pop acts". sure jan |
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Post by m450n on May 27, 2020 12:46:16 GMT -5
With Dua Lipa, they are trying VERY hard to make her successful, at least in the past couple of years. Like I will never understand why people so huge like Sean Paul and Calvin Harris would do songs with her, they were obviously instructed to do so. And the amount of promotion she gets on Spotify and her having such high levels of airplay doesn't make any sense either. Part of the art of creating a successful pop star is making it seem believable and organic to the public, and in this case it doesn't seem so. Shes exactly what people talk about when the say "manufactured pop acts". Before the age of TikTok, artists couldn't just become huge popstars over night. Literally every thing you mentioned that seems 'inorganic' about her is exactly why people get managers. |
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Post by annoymous1 on May 27, 2020 12:52:06 GMT -5
This Dua Slander ain't it π.
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Post by chartfreak on May 27, 2020 12:54:45 GMT -5
Did someone already explain this? Why are the In Your Eyes streams merged, but another song like Savage is not?
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Post by atg on May 27, 2020 13:03:22 GMT -5
I don't see any ''climbing'' This conversation continues to be mute considering she still has a top10 right now..... Thatβs facts. This is like circles and TWYW or Blinding lights and heartless. Idk why people are complaining when its dua lipa in the same situation.. |
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Post by GP on May 27, 2020 13:21:29 GMT -5
ozzy osbourne and travis scott were on the same song last year and that s**t bangs, whats wrong with artists collaborating with other artists that have different styles? Thatβs a weird one. Iβd say thereβs a difference between getting a rock and roll icon on a hook of a rock influenced trap song with two artists who have dipped their toes in that area before, compared to an artist who is still finding her feet in the music industry and developing herself as an artist being pushed completely out of her comfort zone to work with reggaeton artists so that her popularity is boosted in that market I understand what you're sayinh, but it's Dua who started it, they're reworking an older demo |
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Post by GP on May 27, 2020 13:29:13 GMT -5
With Dua Lipa, they are trying VERY hard to make her successful, at least in the past couple of years. Like I will never understand why people so huge like Sean Paul and Calvin Harris would do songs with her, they were obviously instructed to do so. And the amount of promotion she gets on Spotify and her having such high levels of airplay doesn't make any sense either. Part of the art of creating a successful pop star is making it seem believable and organic to the public, and in this case it doesn't seem so. Shes exactly what people talk about when the say "manufactured pop acts". Yeah I heard Calvin and Sean just do collabs with whoever they are told to. |
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Post by GP on May 27, 2020 13:30:50 GMT -5
This conversation continues to be mute considering she still has a top10 right now..... Thatβs facts. This is like circles and TWYW or Blinding lights and heartless. Idk why people are complaining when its dua lipa in the same situation.. Don't get it either honestly...when it happens to freaking Post Malone, BMH would have to be a big smash to overcome.. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 27, 2020 13:33:04 GMT -5
Breaking News: POWER signs executive order banning collaborations between artists who are from different countries Yeah. That's kind of like saying that Rihanna and Chris Brown shouldn't have collaborated for Birthday Cake due to what the latter did to the former. If Metallica could produce music with the San Francisco Symphonic and actually make it sound good, why not? Music should have no artificial barriers. If somebody doesn't want to listen to it, though, I respect their right to do so. |
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Post by Enigma. on May 27, 2020 13:37:47 GMT -5
Yay!
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Post by amid on May 27, 2020 13:38:13 GMT -5
I can't believe Goosebumps has literally been fully revived on Spotify. The Travis Fortnite concert is probably the last thing on anybodyβs mind right now, yet Goosebumps is still all the way up at #32 on Spotify.
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Post by atg on May 27, 2020 13:38:23 GMT -5
Someone like Michael Jackson or 2pac (hypothetically) can collaborate with someone like fking playboy carti with whatever voice heβs doing right now or even 6ix9ine and it doesnβt matter as long as they can make it work somehow. Like said before music has no barriers and the possibilities are endless with any genre fusion or new styles that comes to the table
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Post by jenglisbe on May 27, 2020 13:41:37 GMT -5
Breaking News: POWER signs executive order banning collaborations between artists who are from different countries Yeah. That's kind of like saying that Rihanna and Chris Brown shouldn't have collaborated for Birthday Cake due to what the latter did to the former. If Metallica could produce music with the San Francisco Symphonic and actually make it sound good, why not? Music should have no artificial barriers. If somebody doesn't want to listen to it, though, I respect their right to do so. There's a big difference in people from different countries collaborating, and someone working with someone who beat the sh*t out of them. I'm not even taking a stance as much as just saying that's not really an even parallel. |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 27, 2020 13:42:12 GMT -5
Here's a new concept: two or more artists can work together for no other reason than they want to. It really can be that simple.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on May 27, 2020 13:46:03 GMT -5
It seems odd in the post-inclusiveness era, that there are people who believe music should be segregated. Unexpected collaborations Nelly/Tim McGraw, Donna Summer/Bruce Springsteen, Celine/R Kelly and dozens of others are what makes music great. Who cares if it doesn't necessarily work?
If you look at the overall volume of music released, the vast majority doesn't click commercially or critically anyway - look at the hit v. number of albums/tracks released ratio.
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Post by starlord on May 27, 2020 14:11:46 GMT -5
I can't believe Goosebumps has literally been fully revived on Spotify. The Travis Fortnite concert is probably the last thing on anybodyβs mind right now, yet Goosebumps is still all the way up at #32 on Spotify. And the song right next to it, haven't left top 50 since it's inception in 2018. π» |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 27, 2020 14:15:06 GMT -5
There's a big difference in people from different countries collaborating, and someone working with someone who beat the sh*t out of them. I'm not even taking a stance as much as just saying that's not really an even parallel. Yeah, but even Cardi B and Nicki Minaj buried their hatchet momentarily for Motorsport. So, as long as all the parties involved agree on the collaboration, I don't see why it should happen regardless of what differences they might have. |
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Post by saltnpeppa on May 27, 2020 14:28:47 GMT -5
I have to hope that Dua is doing this because she believes in the artistic merit of the song, yet this is a business so I guess I shouldn't blame her for chasing the bag and maybe even applaud her taking risks in a culturally respectful manner. I would be the perfect audience for this project since I love all the artists involved but I can't help but brace myself because she is a total cultural outsider and that spells trouble because this single has to do the work of not only successfully completing its mission but also doing so in a way that'll have reggaeton audiences accept her despite coming from a different culture, different country, different social class and a different history with how she has expressed herself in her music because otherwise what's the point. I do not envy her one bit lol.
Music is ever changing and if she has the creativity and talent to make it a smash then all power to her.
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Post by kiddo1994 on May 27, 2020 15:17:19 GMT -5
So... Sales (bundles) are the driving force behind Hot 100 number ones these days, even if other songs have more collective streams and/or even airplay? No wonder HDD forever drags them! π Fraudulent bundles deserved lashings.. but Rain On Me is selling big in iTunes via kworb.. also, Airplay deserved lashings as well.. US is the only country using Airplay in the charts.. |
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Post by kiddo1994 on May 27, 2020 15:19:59 GMT -5
So... Sales (bundles) are the driving force behind Hot 100 number ones these days, even if other songs have more collective streams and/or even airplay? No wonder HDD forever drags them! π Uhh, Rain On Me has higher streams than Savage in the predictions... If Savage blocks ROM it will be because of radio. The fact that Savage went no.1 with the help of Vinyl bundles i heard.. |
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Post by amid on May 27, 2020 15:31:05 GMT -5
Itβs more of a genre thing. Any artist can latch onto a popular sound to boost their popularity in that market, but if itβs not done well the backlash comes in fast, look where Iggy Azalea is now. Cardi B isnβt from Puerto Rico or Columbia but her collaboration with those artists worked really well because it fit her character and she had great chemistry with Bad Bunny and J Balvin. You cannot tell me that a a dance pop singer from England combining her sound with that of reggaeton is a good idea. ![]()  |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 27, 2020 15:34:06 GMT -5
So... Sales (bundles) are the driving force behind Hot 100 number ones these days, even if other songs have more collective streams and/or even airplay? No wonder HDD forever drags them! π Fraudulent bundles deserved lashings.. but Rain On Me is selling big in iTunes via kworb.. also, Airplay deserved lashings as well.. US is the only country using Airplay in the charts.. To be fair, those iTunes sales wouldn't be enough to get it to #1 on the Hot 100, though. |
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Post by shayonce on May 27, 2020 16:01:27 GMT -5
GAGA released another ROM Vinyl. $9
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Post by lazer on May 27, 2020 16:21:21 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Intentions is getting a second wind in radio?
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Post by kacpi on May 27, 2020 16:37:33 GMT -5
Iβm trying really hard to imagine Dua Lipa getting on the phone to her manager and saying that she really wants to do a song with Bad Bunny but I just canβt picture it for some reason idk. idk dudez south of the border wasnβt great for Ed Sheeranβs career so idk why part 2 with Dua lipa would be any different but ah well Well, in January she said during an interview that the male artist she'd love to collaborate with is Kevin Abstract (the frontman of BROCKHAMPTON) and what happened two months later? She hopped on a remix of the band's song, SUGAR. Maybe this Bad Bunny/J Balvin collab is the result of the same thing |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on May 27, 2020 17:37:14 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Intentions is getting a second wind in radio?Β Its the closest song to the top that isnβt bleeding spins. Bieberβs management looks like theyβre gunning for #1 before pulling the plug and focusing on βStuck With Uβ |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 27, 2020 17:50:52 GMT -5
^With the radio audience correction, it will more likely become the strategy to get at least one week at #1. That or having a song with very strong streaming. #1 mostly due to strong radio will become less common. Unless, they do a Hot 100 formula adjustment at some point.
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