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Post by wavey. on May 27, 2020 8:43:43 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with branching out(as long as it can work).
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Post by kierz7 on May 27, 2020 8:55:02 GMT -5
Itβs more of a genre thing. Any artist can latch onto a popular sound to boost their popularity in that market, but if itβs not done well the backlash comes in fast, look where Iggy Azalea is now. Cardi B isnβt from Puerto Rico or Columbia but her collaboration with those artists worked really well because it fit her character and she had great chemistry with Bad Bunny and J Balvin. You cannot tell me that a a dance pop singer from England combining her sound with that of reggaeton is a good idea. The Iggy is a bit different though. Iggy didn't get backlash for being a white woman latching onto a popular sound, there was backlash because she was a white woman who made herself sound and pretend to rap like a black woman from the south. Also I'm not really sure what you mean by it fits with Cardi's character, she's Afro-Latina. Whereas that played a definite role in Azeleaβs backlash, I wouldnβt say that was the primary reason. The vast majority of her backlash stemmed from the racist/bigoted comments (or as she said, βinappropriate jokesβ) she made about Black people on Twitter in the early 2010βs that were eventually brought to light. It was also the βRunaway Slave Masterβ lyric of which continuously went viral across Social Media during her 2014 reign that truly damaged her career and reputation. Whereas her βBlaccentβ was certainly questioned, several significant Hip-Hop magazines and critics were actually praising her early material (prior to βFancy/The New Classicβ) and thatβs why she earned a spot on XXLβs βFreshman Listβ and was the first Female to be the cover star. There were several Black celebrities that tried to come to her defence; Jill Scott, Eve, Lupe Fiasco, Will.I.Am etc. Soon after, she was being mocked by most Black celebrities, particularly those within Hip-Hop, with Azealia Banks being the most significant one and when she would defend herself it was always done in a passive-aggressive, borderline insensitive manner where she seemed to dismiss the allegations made against her and not take true responsibility for her actions and blame it all on her having a βvaginaβ. Once T.I spoke out against her and parted ways with her in 2015, it was over and sheβs never recovered. π |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 27, 2020 9:18:24 GMT -5
"Rain on Me" clearly didn't have a normal radio deal. I'm interested to see if they have something kicking in on Monday when it helps them for the Hot 100. Or are they not doing a radio deal?
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Post by tanooki on May 27, 2020 9:23:32 GMT -5
J Balvin is Colombian lmao. I do agree that it would be cheap of Dua to make a reggaeton or urbano track. However, music is meant to unify humanity and becomes beautiful with collaboration & diversity. Dua's song with BLACKPINK, for instance, is a great example of such music that reaches beyond borders, without Dua appropriating K-pop or Korean culture. Let's not jump the gun before we hear the track. The collaborations that artists like Halsey, Dua, and Nicki are doing with K-Pop acts work because K-Pop includes bits of genres that those artists have already done so it doesnβt sound that out of the ordinary hearing them on songs like that. My problem isnβt cultural appropriation, itβs confusion over what place an artist has making a song in a genre so different to the one theyβre making just because itβs popular. The reason why the Circles Gunna Remix is a meme is because, why would Gunna ever go on a song like that? It would sound ridiculous. Same with why the HITR remix with Rosalia didnβt work. If you try and force an extreme cross genre collaboration just to open up an artists popularity into more places or simply just to make a few more coins, the backlash starts to come in hard. ozzy osbourne and travis scott were on the same song last year and that shit bangs, whats wrong with artists collaborating with other artists that have different styles? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 27, 2020 9:26:44 GMT -5
I initially wrote this big paragraph explaining it but I deleted. My point is that sheβs an English dance pop artist and pairing her with two reggaeton artists from Puerto Rico makes absolutely no sense. Neither did Willie Nelson and Julio Iglesias, or Gloria Estefan and N Sync, or Whitney Houston and Enrique Iglesias, or Halsey and BTS, or Psy and Snoop Dogg, or Sting and Cheb Mami. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 27, 2020 9:28:33 GMT -5
You cannot tell me that a a dance pop singer from England combining her sound with that of reggaeton is a good idea. Wait until you hear about Maxi Priest |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 9:35:57 GMT -5
The collaborations that artists like Halsey, Dua, and Nicki are doing with K-Pop acts work because K-Pop includes bits of genres that those artists have already done so it doesnβt sound that out of the ordinary hearing them on songs like that. My problem isnβt cultural appropriation, itβs confusion over what place an artist has making a song in a genre so different to the one theyβre making just because itβs popular. The reason why the Circles Gunna Remix is a meme is because, why would Gunna ever go on a song like that? It would sound ridiculous. Same with why the HITR remix with Rosalia didnβt work. If you try and force an extreme cross genre collaboration just to open up an artists popularity into more places or simply just to make a few more coins, the backlash starts to come in hard. ozzy osbourne and travis scott were on the same song last year and that s**t bangs, whats wrong with artists collaborating with other artists that have different styles? Thatβs a weird one. Iβd say thereβs a difference between getting a rock and roll icon on a hook of a rock influenced trap song with two artists who have dipped their toes in that area before, compared to an artist who is still finding her feet in the music industry and developing herself as an artist being pushed completely out of her comfort zone to work with reggaeton artists so that her popularity is boosted in that market |
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Post by tanooki on May 27, 2020 9:39:05 GMT -5
ozzy osbourne and travis scott were on the same song last year and that s**t bangs, whats wrong with artists collaborating with other artists that have different styles? Thatβs a weird one. Iβd say thereβs a difference between getting a rock and roll icon on a hook of a rock influenced trap song with two artists who have dipped their toes in that area before, compared to an artist who is still finding her feet in the music industry and developing herself as an artist being pushed completely out of her comfort zone to work with reggaeton artists so that her popularity is boosted in that market "being pushed completely out of her comfort zone" ah yes because dua lipa makes zero decisions on the music she makes, not like one party thought it would be a good idea to collaborate, maybe a producer had a cool idea, no, if you're a relatively new artist without a super ultra defined sound then you can't work with other artists in a different market. why do you care so much lmao, artists are allowed to branch out. who even knows if the song will be reggaeton? maybe j balvin and bad bunny make a dance track with dua lipa instead? is that also wrong? im so confused by your logic |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 27, 2020 9:40:25 GMT -5
The biggest song of last year was a country trap fusion from a 19 year-old who had only released a handful of songs up to that point and a one-hit wonder country artist who's one hit was all about his "achy breaky heart". And if you had told people that song was going to be released, most would've thought it would turn out a disaster.
I know genre crossover still mostly end up messy and bad but hey, maybe this will be another Take What You Want or Old Town Road. The song isn't out yet, let's not judge it's quality yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 9:46:19 GMT -5
Iβm trying really hard to imagine Dua Lipa getting on the phone to her manager and saying that she really wants to do a song with Bad Bunny but I just canβt picture it for some reason idk.
idk dudez south of the border wasnβt great for Ed Sheeranβs career so idk why part 2 with Dua lipa would be any different but ah well
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Post by shaz196 on May 27, 2020 9:51:28 GMT -5
Hits back to dissing Billboard
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Post by Lukas on May 27, 2020 10:04:18 GMT -5
Been a while since I shared one of these so why not: Rain On Me is locked for #1. Life Is Good I would be surprised if it left the top 10. That is all. | Rank | Song | Radio | Sales | Streaming | Points | | 1 | Rain On Me | 9,700,000 | 90,000 | 32,900,000 | 41,800 | | 2 | Savage | 59,300,000 | 16,800 | 29,500,000 | 33,200 | | 3 | Blinding Lights | 91,200,000 | 15,200 | 21,700,000 | 32,800 | | 4 | ROCKSTAR | 18,200,000 | 12,500 | 36,800,000 | 31,700 | | 5 | Say So | 80,400,000 | 9,000 | 23,800,000 | 31,400 | | 6 | Toosie Slide | 52,400,000 | 5,000 | 21,100,000 | 24,100 | | 7 | The Box | 38,200,000 | 3,400 | 22,700,000 | 21,800 | | 8 | Don't Start Now | 68,400,000 | 4,500 | 14,100,000 | 21,500 | | 9 | Intentions | 63,800,000 | 7,500 | 13,000,000 | 20,800 | | 10 | Life Is Good | 21,100,000 | 2,500 | 25,000,000 | 20,400 | | 11 | Circles | 57,000,000 | 4,700 | 14,000,000 | 19,400 |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 10:05:12 GMT -5
well after the underperforming 'break my heart' she needs to become a ''collab artist'' and also she doesn't have trust in her era anymore...she will release new song and not something from her album who just release 2 months ago..also she has a collab song with Normani and it will come after Bad bunny and J balvin collab Break My Heart is still gaining on radio so I wouldnβt say itβs underperforming. Dua Lipa making a song with Bad Bunny and J Balvin is a bad idea because sheβs not Caribbean. While Colombia borders the Caribbean, it's not really considered a Caribbean nation. J Balvin is from the middle of the country (MedellΓn) anyway. But more importantly... BeyoncΓ© isn't Caribbean either and teamed up on Mi Gente. Cardi B is Dominican ethnically but from NYC and isn't primarily known for latin music. The Black Eyed Peas aren't Caribbean. Drake isn't Caribbean. People don't have to be from the same regions to collaborate. |
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Post by purp child on May 27, 2020 10:05:32 GMT -5
Been a while since I shared one of these so why not: Rain On Me is locked for #1. Life Is Good I would be surprised if it left the top 10. That is all. | Rank | Song | Radio | Sales | Streaming | Points | | 1 | Rain On Me | 9,700,000 | 90,000 | 32,900,000 | 41,800 | | 2 | Savage | 59,300,000 | 16,800 | 29,500,000 | 33,200 | | 3 | Blinding Lights | 91,200,000 | 15,200 | 21,700,000 | 32,800 | | 4 | ROCKSTAR | 18,200,000 | 12,500 | 36,800,000 | 31,700 | | 5 | Say So | 80,400,000 | 9,000 | 23,800,000 | 31,400 | | 6 | Toosie Slide | 52,400,000 | 5,000 | 21,100,000 | 24,100 | | 7 | The Box | 38,200,000 | 3,400 | 22,700,000 | 21,800 | | 8 | Don't Start Now | 68,400,000 | 4,500 | 14,100,000 | 21,500 | | 9 | Intentions | 63,800,000 | 7,500 | 13,000,000 | 20,800 | | 10 | Life Is Good | 21,100,000 | 2,500 | 25,000,000 | 20,400 | | 11 | Circles | 57,000,000 | 4,700 | 14,000,000 | 19,400 |
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Post by kierz7 on May 27, 2020 10:08:02 GMT -5
So...
Sales (bundles) are the driving force behind Hot 100 number ones these days, even if other songs have more collective streams and/or even airplay?
No wonder HDD forever drags them! π
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Post by kimberly on May 27, 2020 10:17:09 GMT -5
Been a while since I shared one of these so why not: Rain On Me is locked for #1. Life Is Good I would be surprised if it left the top 10. That is all.yes I read this in Meryl Streep as Miranda Priestly voice  |
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Post by tanooki on May 27, 2020 10:27:55 GMT -5
Iβm trying really hard to imagine Dua Lipa getting on the phone to her manager and saying that she really wants to do a song with Bad Bunny but I just canβt picture it for some reason idk. idk dudez south of the border wasnβt great for Ed Sheeranβs career so idk why part 2 with Dua lipa would be any different but ah well why is that hard to imagine? is dua lipa not her own person? can she not make her own decisions? also why did you bring up her manager lmao, does Dua Lipa not have producers or other people in the industry around her? Who's not to say that Dua knows either of them personally? What the hell is your issue with this lmao also implying that this dua lipa song would sound anything like SOTB is hilarious to me. Ed Sheeran, Camila Cabello, and Cardi B all have completely different styles from Dua Lipa, J Balvin, and Bad Bunny. Just because some white person makes a song with two hispanic people doesn't make it some cash grab and that all of those songs will sound the same (and this is coming from a person who has made fun of that formula). The Despacito remix sounds nothing like remix of Post Malone's rockstar for example lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 10:33:40 GMT -5
Iβm trying really hard to imagine Dua Lipa getting on the phone to her manager and saying that she really wants to do a song with Bad Bunny but I just canβt picture it for some reason idk. idk dudez south of the border wasnβt great for Ed Sheeranβs career so idk why part 2 with Dua lipa would be any different but ah well why is that hard to imagine? is dua lipa not her own person? can she not make her own decisions? also why did you bring up her manager lmao, does Dua Lipa not have producers or other people in the industry around her? Who's not to say that Dua knows either of them personally? What the hell is your issue with this lmao also implying that this dua lipa song would sound anything like SOTB is hilarious to me. Ed Sheeran, Camila Cabello, and Cardi B all have completely different styles from Dua Lipa, J Balvin, and Bad Bunny. Just because some white person makes a song with two hispanic people doesn't make it some cash grab and that all of those songs will sound the same (and this is coming from a person who has made fun of that formula). The Despacito remix sounds nothing like remix of Post Malone's rockstar for example lol |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 27, 2020 10:56:26 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/05/27
1(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 159.91(+0.66)
2(=) Doja Cat - Say So 141.45(+0.50) 4
3(=) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 122.45(+0.05)
4(=) Harry Styles - Adore You 117.47(+0.45) 40 73 34
5(+1) Justin Bieber - Intentions (feat. Quavo) 105.72(+1.49) 6(-1) Post Malone - Circles 104.67(-0.80) 5 144.85 33 20 69 42
7(=) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix (feat. BeyoncΓ©) 98.65(+1.13)
8(=) Drake - Toosie Slide 97.38(+0.15)
9(=) Maren Morris - The Bones 90.24(+1.18)
10(+1) Camila Cabello - My Oh My (feat. DaBaby) 78.47(-1.49)
15(=) Roddy Ricch - High Fashion (feat. Mustard) 64.78(+0.99) + 20(=) Travis Denning - After a Few 57.23(+0.97)
26(=) SAINt JHN - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 46.20(+0.88) 27(=) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 43.99(+0.75)
29(+1) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 42.85(+1.21)
31(+1) Surfaces - Sunday Best 41.96(+0.82)
45(+1) Marshmello & Halsey - Be Kind 33.30(+0.76)
63(+2) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR (feat. Roddy Ricch) 27.44(+0.86)
90(+2) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 19.14(+0.84)
92(+10) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 18.23(+1.65)
-(-) Lady Gaga & Ariana Grande - Rain On Me 12.82 +2.18
-(-) Mulatto - B***h From Da Souf 5.24(+0.88) + -(-) Casper Magico & Anuel Aa - Sola & Vacia 2.86(+1.11) + -(-) Daddy Yankee/j. Quiles/el Alfa - PAM 2.32(+1.02) +
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Post by annoymous1 on May 27, 2020 11:01:00 GMT -5
Where have these gains for Intentions come from?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 27, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -5
Spotify - 05/26/20
1(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 1,659,129 (+53,063)
2(=) Lady Gaga - Rain on Me 1,313,003 (+27,664)
3(=) THE SCOTTS - THE SCOTTS 1,218,363 (+32,265)
4(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 1,043,652 (+10,412)
5(=) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 1,039,344 (+14,489)
6(+2) StaySolidRocky - Party Girl 920,684 (+60,883)
7(=) Roddy Ricch - The Box 909,203 (+11,198)
8(-2) Drake - Toosie Slide 897,625 (-2,651)
9(+2) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 827,213 (+52,242)
10(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage Remix 811,470 (+11,826)
Others:
11(-1) SAINt Jhn - Roses (Imanbek Remix) 793,337 (+11,045)
12(=) Don Toliver - After Party 744,414 (+55,640)
13(=) 6ix9ine - GOOBA 690,689 (+31,390)
14(+1) NLE Choppa - Walk Em Down 683,406 (+53,940)
15(-1) Future - Life is Good 651,127 (+8,862)
16(+2) powfu - death bed 645,510 (+24,858)
17(-1) Juice WRLD - Righteous 643,289 (+19,230)
19(-2) Surfaces - Sunday Best 629,902 (+7,934)
20(+2) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 625,268 (+25,367)
21(-2) Ariana Grande - Stuck with U 623,764 (+11,696)
22(+1) Polo G - Flex 600,792 (+6,189)
23(+1) Justin Bieber - Intentions 600,561 (+15,103)
24(+1) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 599,082 (+13,702)
25(+1) Drake - Chicago Freestyle 594,674 (+24,606)
26(-5) Gunna - DOLLAZ ON MY HEAD 593,429 (-12,579)
27(+1) Doja Cat - Say So Remix 542,567 (-1,866)
30(+1) BENEE - Supalonely 524,826 (+13,403)
31(+2) Doja Cat - Say So 521,128 (+15,705)
34(+2) Dua Lipa - Break My Heart 495,656 (+14,171)
36(+2) Marshmello - Be Kind 484,513 (+20,879)
39(+4) Melanie Martinez - Play Date 460,758 (+23,283)
41(+8) Sleepy Hallow - Deep End Freestyle 459,884 (+35,686)
42(-12) Gunna - COOLER THAN A BITCH 459,074 (-53,215)
46(=) Roddy Ricch - High Fashion 444,765 (+14,313)
48(-6) Gunna - WUNNA 428,319 (-13,444)
49(+1) Surf Mesa - ily 425,225 (+6,819)
53(+1) Megan Thee Stallion - Savage 403,287 (+19,128)
55(+6) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 387,319 (+29,022)
58(+4) JP Saxe - If the World Was Ending 384,022 (+29,921)
64(-1) Bad Bunny - Yo Perreo Sola 344,686 (-1,665)
68(-4) Migos - Need It 331,698 (-13,943)
80(re-entry) The Weeknd - In Your Eyes Remix 299,799
82(+9) Madison Beer - Selfish 297,540 (+23,618)
98(+13) $uicideBoy$ - ...And To Those I Love, Thanks For Sticking Around 274,913 (+24,119)
101(-74) The Weeknd - In Your Eyes 272,666 (-285,534)
And then Spotify went back to counting In Your Eyes as separate?
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Post by annoymous1 on May 27, 2020 11:09:54 GMT -5
Watermelon Sugar Top 20 on Spotify!
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Post by kingvavis on May 27, 2020 11:12:36 GMT -5
$uicideBoy$ in the top 100 of Spotify? Feels kinda weird.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 27, 2020 11:43:12 GMT -5
In Your Eyes versions combined managed to squeeze a ~14k daily gain on Spotify. Spotify is starting to become inconsistent like Billboard is.
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Post by Enigma. on May 27, 2020 11:46:24 GMT -5
Get that viral hit Gaga <3
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Post by #brayden on May 27, 2020 11:52:09 GMT -5
Where have these gains for Intentions come from? Scooter Braun's bank account. |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on May 27, 2020 12:13:53 GMT -5
Yeah looks like ROCKSTAR is gonna be #1 next week
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 27, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -5
I was expecting some distorted, loud, blown out hip-hop from this $uicideBoy$ in the same vein as Scarlxrd and XXX, didn't expect a somber hip-hop track about existentialism.
Actually really liked it, kinda hope it becomes a hit.
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Post by velaxti on May 27, 2020 12:19:14 GMT -5
With Dua Lipa, they are trying VERY hard to make her successful, at least in the past couple of years. Like I will never understand why people so huge like Sean Paul and Calvin Harris would do songs with her, they were obviously instructed to do so. And the amount of promotion she gets on Spotify and her having such high levels of airplay doesn't make any sense either. Part of the art of creating a successful pop star is making it seem believable and organic to the public, and in this case it doesn't seem so. Shes exactly what people talk about when the say "manufactured pop acts".
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Post by wrip on May 27, 2020 12:21:10 GMT -5
Glad Harry is getting another hit out of Watermelon Sugar! Definitely a great listen imo
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