Billboard Hot 100: 07/18/2020

[purp child]

Jul 3, 2020 20:16:12 GMT -5 lazer said:

Oversaturated or not, Drake's recent releases feels very half-assed and cynical due to the fact knowing that his songs will become big with his name alone, which explains his dip in quality. Listen to Toosie Slide, a lot of people know that he isn't trying anymore, he has the access to expensive studio equipment and chose to make a song that a 5 year old can make in 3 minutes and the folks at TikTok will eat it like dog food.

Good thing he doesnt have to be "super serious rapper" all the time 

[ddlz]

[GP]

we know Drake will dominate a month, Pulse is not ready to have 30+ page threads again

[wavey.]

💀. Drake and his team know how to market, and they've been on a role. Can't hate on that.(NOT saying anyone is hating here)

[amid]

Sunflower is #18 on Spotify if you don’t count the Pop Smoke album. That’s insane. I feel like its been in the lower 20s - upper 30s for a while so I don’t know the reason for the sudden boost.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Just as long as Drake doesn't still yet another Billboard Song of the Summer, I'll be alright...alive

[starlord]

Jul 6, 2020 9:33:44 GMT -5 amid said:

Sunflower is #18 on Spotify if you don’t count the Pop Smoke album. That’s insane. I feel like its been in the lower 20s - upper 30s for a while so I don’t know the reason for the sudden boost.

It's not sudden. Sunflower have it's permanent place in spotify top 40 since release. And on AM 75-130 depending on album release, curently its 104. Sunflower could be the most consistent performer on streaming ever. 2020 Q1 it was on 32nd Spot LINK.

[GP]

Jul 6, 2020 9:33:44 GMT -5 amid said:

Sunflower is #18 on Spotify if you don’t count the Pop Smoke album. That’s insane. I feel like its been in the lower 20s - upper 30s for a while so I don’t know the reason for the sudden boost.

above the Kanye x Travis for example.... who would have thought when this first started in 2018 that it would be outstreaming the new Kanye x Travis song less than a week after it was released

[strongerq]

Sunflower based on Rolling Stones chart has gotten 183,400,000 On Demand Audio Streams(excluding Music YouTube) after 25 weeks in 2020. Here are weekly:

8,700,000 week 1
8,100,000 week 2
7,800,000 week 3
8,100,000 week 4
8,000,000 week 5
7,900,000 week 6
7,500,000 week 7
7,500,000 week 8
7,300,000 week 9
7,600,000 week 10
6,600,000 week 11
6,600,000 week 12
6,800,000 week 13
6,800,000 week 14
6,500,000 week 15
6,700,000 week 16
6,500,000 week 17
7,100,000 week 18
7,100,000 week 19
7,200,000 week 20
7,300,000 week 21
7,300,000 week 22
7,400,000 week 23
7,600,000 week 24
7,400,000 week 25

Sunflower is in the top 30 most streamed songs in 2020 atm, it is only 40-50M behind 2020 hits like Savege/Intentions. It has outstreamed Yummy/ Heartless/You Should Be Sad etc.

It is a behemoth.

[thelegends]

Jul 6, 2020 5:59:06 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Spotify 07/05/20

The Kid LARIO - GO 433,684

Ah yes, Lario, Mario and Luigi’s unknown brother.

[ddlz]

How many units is Sunflower alone adding to Hollywood's Bleeding album sales on a weekly basis?

[strongerq]

Jul 6, 2020 11:07:37 GMT -5 ddlz said:

How many units is Sunflower alone adding to Hollywood's Bleeding album sales on a weekly basis?

Around 6K album units.

With 7.4M ODAS (90% paid / 10 % free)  paid divided by 1250 / free divided by 3750

With ~2K sales    divided by 10

With 2M video streams  divided by 3750

That would be 6,259 album-equivalent units.

The ODAS is from Rolling Stones chart (without Music YouTube), the sales are assumed based on the song selling 3.5 K weekly during the first months in 2020, then 3K, then 2.5K.

The video streams are an assumption based on how much it is being streamed Worldwide on YouTube.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter how accurate the numbers are (even if they are 20% off), you still see the picture.

I am using the Billboard album formula.

Edit: Sunflower had 2,038 sales last week based on HitsDD revenue chart, so assumption is correct.

[atg]

Circles and Sunflower alone can carry Post’s legacy and streams up for a few months and even years

[GP]

HB will sell 20k+ every week with Sunflower + Circles + Wow alone

[Enigma.]

That's why US album chart is kinda joke, I prefer the UK model where "the 2 album tracks attracting most streams are neutralised to the level of the average of the next 10 highest streamed tracks associated with the album (or all tracks where album has < 12 tracks)"

Sure, it helps the GHs but still gives a better picture which ALBUMS are popular.

That is the reason why The Weeknd and Post Malone are doing remarkably worse in the UK. They don't have that many album tracks that people return to compared to Billie Eilish and Ed Sheeran for instance.

[shaz196]

http://instagram.com/p/CCTvIsODJRq

This Friday 😔

[ddlz]

Jul 6, 2020 11:32:01 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Jul 6, 2020 11:07:37 GMT -5 ddlz said:

How many units is Sunflower alone adding to Hollywood's Bleeding album sales on a weekly basis?

Around 6K album units.

With 7.4M ODAS (90% paid / 10 % free)  paid divided by 1250 / free divided by 3750

With ~2K sales    divided by 10

With 2M video streams  divided by 3750

That would be 6,259 album-equivalent units.

The ODAS is from Rolling Stones chart (without Music YouTube), the sales are assumed based on the song selling 3.5 K weekly during the first months in 2020, then 3K, then 2.5K.

The video streams are an assumption based on how much it is being streamed Worldwide on YouTube.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter how accurate the numbers are (even if they are 20% off), you still see the picture.

I am using the Billboard album formula.

Edit: Sunflower had 2,038 sales last week based on HitsDD revenue chart, so assumption is correct.

Thanks!

Week 44: #10 Beerbongs & Bentleys 33k
Week 44: #5 Hollywood's Bleeding (with Sunflower) 36k  / #12?, 30k (without Sunflower)  


Sunflower is giving Hollywood's Bleeding the appearance of being a bit more successful than it is, but even when you remove Sunflower, the album is still holding up way better than I thought it would or than it deserves.    

[Enigma.]

I'm still mad that the streams of Sunflower were added to HB's total just like that when they were first collected as a part of the soundtrack.

But anyway, just realised that this is not the album thread lol

[kingvavis]

Jul 6, 2020 12:42:59 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Jul 6, 2020 11:32:01 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Around 6K album units.

With 7.4M ODAS (90% paid / 10 % free)  paid divided by 1250 / free divided by 3750

With ~2K sales    divided by 10

With 2M video streams  divided by 3750

That would be 6,259 album-equivalent units.

The ODAS is from Rolling Stones chart (without Music YouTube), the sales are assumed based on the song selling 3.5 K weekly during the first months in 2020, then 3K, then 2.5K.

The video streams are an assumption based on how much it is being streamed Worldwide on YouTube.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter how accurate the numbers are (even if they are 20% off), you still see the picture.

I am using the Billboard album formula.

Edit: Sunflower had 2,038 sales last week based on HitsDD revenue chart, so assumption is correct.

Thanks!

Week 44: #10 Beerbongs & Bentleys 33k
Week 44: #5 Hollywood's Bleeding (with Sunflower) 36k  / #12?, 30k (without Sunflower)  


Sunflower is giving Hollywood's Bleeding the appearance of being a bit more successful than it is, but even when you remove Sunflower, the album is still holding up way better than I thought it would or than it deserves.    

Don't forget about Circles success

[daysintheeast]

Jul 6, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I'm still mad that the streams of Sunflower were added to HB's total just like that when they were first collected as a part of the soundtrack.

But anyway, just realised that this is not the album thread lol

has this always been the case for the industry? seems like its become more common in recent years

[kimberly]

Jul 6, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

Jul 6, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I'm still mad that the streams of Sunflower were added to HB's total just like that when they were first collected as a part of the soundtrack.

But anyway, just realised that this is not the album thread lol

has this always been the case for the industry? seems like its become more common in recent years

Labels get to decide which album a song counts for, so once they released HB the points shifted from the soundtrack to Post's album. I think they should standardize it and make it so that the points count toward the first album the song appears on.

[strongerq]

Jul 6, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

Jul 6, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I'm still mad that the streams of Sunflower were added to HB's total just like that when they were first collected as a part of the soundtrack.

But anyway, just realised that this is not the album thread lol

has this always been the case for the industry? seems like its become more common in recent years

He was talking about how Sunflower was on a Soundtrack album, and then it was added to a studio album. This is allowed (and always has been). Another example i can think of is 'Forever' being added to Eminem's Relapse.

About it being more common, i disagree. Because i can't think of any other huge song that was on a soundtrack & later added to artist's studio album. Please correct me if i am wrong.

[strongerq]

Jul 6, 2020 13:27:27 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jul 6, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

has this always been the case for the industry? seems like its become more common in recent years

Labels get to decide which album a song counts for, so once they released HB the points shifted from the soundtrack to Post's album. I think they should standardize it and make it so that the points count toward the first album the song appears on.

Well there already is a rule stating exactly what Post Malone did is legal. xD

But i think it should be updated, example: units from Sunflower can count for HB only after Sep 2019 when the studio album was released. AKA treat it the exact same way the do with greatest hits albums. I am talking about RIAA btw.

For certifications for Greatest Hit albums, only track sales and streams that occur after Greatest Hits albums’ release date can count towards RIAA album certifications.

[HolidayGuy]

There have been other hit soundtrack singles that later appeared on the act's studio album- for instance, "Die Another Day," which appeared on the film soundtrack, was always intended to appear on the American Life album. "American Pie," though was a tack-on to the international edition of the Music album (The Next Best Thing soundtrack was also on M's Maverick label, as was 1999's Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me).

[ddlz]

Jul 6, 2020 13:16:55 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

Don't forget about Circles success

I know it has Circles and bunch of other popular singles/semi-singles/album tracks. I'm not denying the album's big success, I'm just saying its numbers are a bit inflated due to Sunflower's inclusion. 

[Enigma.]

The problem there is that it stole away the units from the soundtrack which is not certified now despite reaching gold level when HB wasn't yet released.

This could've never happened in the physical album era.

[atg]

Jul 6, 2020 13:40:16 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

There have been other hit soundtrack singles that later appeared on the act's studio album- for instance, "Die Another Day," which appeared on the film soundtrack, was always intended to appear on the American Life album. "American Pie," though was a tack-on to the international edition of the Music album (The Next Best Thing soundtrack was also on M's Maverick label, as was 1999's Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me).

The only ones i can think of most recently is the weeknd’s earned it when it was added to bbtm and Eminem’s venom being added to kamikaze so it definitely has been done before

[iHype.]

The issue of hits playing hot potato with different albums is way worse with Greatest Hits albums, and there should be a rule that GHs/all compilations should be pure sales only.

For example, if Drake/Post/etc were to release Greatest Hits with all of their singles in their career it would be top 10 every single week off all those streams. It doesn't matter if people are actually even visiting the GH's album itself.

Just having a compilation with songs from different albums on streaming is a playlist basically. It's not comparable to a studio album. You can't compare streams of an album that had 20 cherry-picked previously released hits in comparison to a brand new album studio album on a chart. This is also the reason why obviously a NOW! That's What I Call Music album could not have streams counted in it for the charts.

[HolidayGuy]

In the streaming era, the question would be, though, if there were other instances of a single's TEA/SEA units being moved from a soundtrack to a studio album.

[daysintheeast]

Jul 6, 2020 13:29:54 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Jul 6, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

has this always been the case for the industry? seems like its become more common in recent years

He was talking about how Sunflower was on a Soundtrack album, and then it was added to a studio album. This is allowed (and always has been). Another example i can think of is 'Forever' being added to Eminem's Relapse.

About it being more common, i disagree. Because i can't think of any other huge song that was on a soundtrack & later added to artist's studio album. Please correct me if i am wrong.

yaa that makes sense. 
some examples i can think of (tho not soundtrack -> studio album):
- senorita. released in 2019, added to shawn mendes's album from 2018 then added to camila's album
- fefe. added to nicki's album for a week then added to 6ix9nines album
- girls need love remix. added to Last day of summer mixtape then to studio album