Billboard Hot 100: 08/08/2020

[higilo]

Aug 3, 2020 20:25:42 GMT -5 kimberly said:

@killamonjaro - Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite essays explaining this:

Oppression flows in one direction only, from the oppressor to the oppressed. It is about the oppressor being in a great social power than the oppressed. Women are not in a socially higher position than men, and hence, it not possible for women to oppress men. As long as men are the dominant group, they can’t be victims of sexism.

Many people give the dictionary definition of sexism which goes like, “discrimination on the basis of one’s sex”. This simply implies that both men and women can be sexist towards each other. What we don’t seem to realize is that the complex concept of female oppression and sexism cannot be discussed in one sentence.

Women can, as Melissa A. Fabello writes in her essay, Why Reverse Oppression Simply Cannot Exist, make stereotypical assumptions about men, they can be prejudiced towards men, they can discriminate against men based on those prejudices. But women simply cannot be sexist towards men. Their assumptions or prejudices about men do not give them a higher social position and nor is it based on years of oppression.

This does not mean that prejudice or discrimination against men is morally correct or justified. Nor is it a solution to sexism. However, the concept of sexism is based on the fact that there exists a diverse social arrangement that privileges men over women and enables their automatic access to intellectual, material and spiritual resources. In simple words, these basic resources are something women have to fight for, whereas, they are more or less given to men.

However, the whole rejection of reverse sexism does not mean that men are not victims of sexism or patriarchy. We all are. There are unfair expectations and pressures on men in our society as a result of patriarchy.

It is a well-established fact that not all men are powerful or oppressive in a patriarchal society – men from non-dominant communities, gay men, men who are seen as ‘feminine’, and men who covet and desire femininity. This also encompasses the reality that the institution of sexism has constructed a standard of what ‘masculanity’ is and men who do not come under this narrow definition of it are discriminated against.

In spite of all this, men are not culturally, politically, socially or economically oppressed by women. The fact remains that all men can and do lay claims to resources and power far more easily than the women in their society or communities.

Women can be sexist to men, i.e. they can discriminate against men based on sexist prejudices. However, they have far less power in most of the world and cannot oppress men in the same way at all.

Men also can be sexist to men, and they are (still not anywhere near as common as men being sexist to women)

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 3, 2020 19:27:51 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Aug 3, 2020 19:25:10 GMT -5 kimberly said:

my post was a jab at the fact that the industry is sexist (and their ageism is harsher toward women)... but turns out, so are you!

It's sexist to point out that most posters on Pulse are more impressed by female statistics than male ones?

okay dokey.

On the other hand, I could make a case that most of the posters on Pulse are sexist against MEN rather easily as well.

lol

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Aug 3, 2020 17:20:24 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

First time in 10 years that a 30+ year old woman released a solo #1
(since raise your glass).

The Last 10 Hot 100 #1 Hits by 30+ Year Old Solo Female Artists
1. Taylor Swift, age 30 - "cardigan" | 08/08/2020
2. Mariah Carey, age 49 - "All I Want For Christmas Is You" | 12/20/2019
3. Lizzo, age 31 - "Truth Hurts" | 09/06/2019
4. P!nk, age 31 - "Raise Your Glass" | 12/11/2010
5. Mariah Carey, age 38 - "Touch My Body" | 04/12/2008
6. Fergie, age 32 - "Big Girls Don't Cry" | 09/08/2007
7. Fergie, age 31 - "London Bridge" | 08/19/2006
8. Mariah Carey, age 35 - "We Belong Together" | 12/31/2005
9. Mariah Carey, age 35 - "Don't Forget About Us" | 06/04/2005
10. Gwen Stefani, age 35 - "Hollaback Girl" | 05/07/2005
NOTE: Sia was 41 "Cheap Thrills" hit #1, but the remix with Sean Paul is credited rather than the solo version

[Push The Button]

Aug 3, 2020 17:20:24 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

First time in 10 years that a 30+ year old woman released a solo #1
(since raise your glass).

I had to go back and see. Solo women over 30:

2020s: 1
2010s: 1
2000s: 7

Damn.

[Fears in the Fire]

Aug 3, 2020 20:25:42 GMT -5 kimberly said:

@killamonjaro - Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite essays explaining this:

Oppression flows in one direction only, from the oppressor to the oppressed. It is about the oppressor being in a great social power than the oppressed. Women are not in a socially higher position than men, and hence, it not possible for women to oppress men. As long as men are the dominant group, they can’t be victims of sexism.

Many people give the dictionary definition of sexism which goes like, “discrimination on the basis of one’s sex”. This simply implies that both men and women can be sexist towards each other. What we don’t seem to realize is that the complex concept of female oppression and sexism cannot be discussed in one sentence.

Women can, as Melissa A. Fabello writes in her essay, Why Reverse Oppression Simply Cannot Exist, make stereotypical assumptions about men, they can be prejudiced towards men, they can discriminate against men based on those prejudices. But women simply cannot be sexist towards men. Their assumptions or prejudices about men do not give them a higher social position and nor is it based on years of oppression.

This does not mean that prejudice or discrimination against men is morally correct or justified. Nor is it a solution to sexism. However, the concept of sexism is based on the fact that there exists a diverse social arrangement that privileges men over women and enables their automatic access to intellectual, material and spiritual resources. In simple words, these basic resources are something women have to fight for, whereas, they are more or less given to men.

However, the whole rejection of reverse sexism does not mean that men are not victims of sexism or patriarchy. We all are. There are unfair expectations and pressures on men in our society as a result of patriarchy.

It is a well-established fact that not all men are powerful or oppressive in a patriarchal society – men from non-dominant communities, gay men, men who are seen as ‘feminine’, and men who covet and desire femininity. This also encompasses the reality that the institution of sexism has constructed a standard of what ‘masculanity’ is and men who do not come under this narrow definition of it are discriminated against.

In spite of all this, men are not culturally, politically, socially or economically oppressed by women. The fact remains that all men can and do lay claims to resources and power far more easily than the women in their society or communities.

Lol

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^^^Going a couple of years back, in 1998, Cher was 52 when she was #1 in the Hot 100 with Believe.

[thelegends]

Aug 3, 2020 17:26:17 GMT -5 atg said:

Honestly we should’ve pushed to ban twitter instead of tik tok first. These stans are so confusing and toxic to even understand

All social media is bad, except reddit.

[thelegends]

Aug 3, 2020 19:28:55 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Aug 3, 2020 19:23:13 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

This is Pulse, don't you know it's more impressive when a woman does it.

Misogyny is rampant in the music industry; we know this. The GP likes their ladies young and beautiful, and many a pop star suddenly starts dwindling when she turns 30.

Female pop stars in the industry are just like players on FIFA Career Mode. When they both hit 30 years old, they become useless and their value decreases by a lot.

[Deleted]

Aug 3, 2020 20:25:42 GMT -5 kimberly said:

@killamonjaro - Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite essays explaining this:

Oppression flows in one direction only, from the oppressor to the oppressed. It is about the oppressor being in a great social power than the oppressed. Women are not in a socially higher position than men, and hence, it not possible for women to oppress men. As long as men are the dominant group, they can’t be victims of sexism.

Many people give the dictionary definition of sexism which goes like, “discrimination on the basis of one’s sex”. This simply implies that both men and women can be sexist towards each other. What we don’t seem to realize is that the complex concept of female oppression and sexism cannot be discussed in one sentence.

Women can, as Melissa A. Fabello writes in her essay, Why Reverse Oppression Simply Cannot Exist, make stereotypical assumptions about men, they can be prejudiced towards men, they can discriminate against men based on those prejudices. But women simply cannot be sexist towards men. Their assumptions or prejudices about men do not give them a higher social position and nor is it based on years of oppression.

This does not mean that prejudice or discrimination against men is morally correct or justified. Nor is it a solution to sexism. However, the concept of sexism is based on the fact that there exists a diverse social arrangement that privileges men over women and enables their automatic access to intellectual, material and spiritual resources. In simple words, these basic resources are something women have to fight for, whereas, they are more or less given to men.

However, the whole rejection of reverse sexism does not mean that men are not victims of sexism or patriarchy. We all are. There are unfair expectations and pressures on men in our society as a result of patriarchy.

It is a well-established fact that not all men are powerful or oppressive in a patriarchal society – men from non-dominant communities, gay men, men who are seen as ‘feminine’, and men who covet and desire femininity. This also encompasses the reality that the institution of sexism has constructed a standard of what ‘masculanity’ is and men who do not come under this narrow definition of it are discriminated against.

In spite of all this, men are not culturally, politically, socially or economically oppressed by women. The fact remains that all men can and do lay claims to resources and power far more easily than the women in their society or communities.

I still stand by my point, and deleted my post because I realised how derailing it would be, but regardless, the essay was an interesting read and feel like it makes some good points. I understand and respect that perspective, but I don't agree with it. That's all I've got to say

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^^Sadly so. Sexism and ageism rolled into one.

[fhas]

August 7, 2010
10. Ridin' Solo - Jason Derulo

August 8, 2020
10. Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) - Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo

[Au$tin]

Aug 3, 2020 21:20:12 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Aug 3, 2020 17:26:17 GMT -5 atg said:

Honestly we should’ve pushed to ban twitter instead of tik tok first. These stans are so confusing and toxic to even understand

All social media is bad, except reddit.

Reddit is just as bad. Hiveminds rule the roost there. They only positive Reddit has is that you can find some pretty niche subreddits the GP hasn't gotten to yet that still have that nice early Internet, small knit community feel. But something like /r/funny, /r/politics, or /r/AskReddit? You better be prepared for a stream of hateful replies and PMs if you say something out of line. In turn, Reddit also has heinous subreddits that promote toxic ideologies like /r/The_Donald, /r/MensRights, /r/TheRedPill, /r/FemaleDatingStrategy, etc. Hell, Reddit's own Pulse equivalent, /r/popheads has turned into nothing but an extension of stan Twitter.

[higilo]

Yeah Reddit is awful, and I say that as a user. Some subreddits are completely vile. Luckily as a forum type site, you can avoid most of the vile ones quite easily.

[thelegends]

Aug 3, 2020 21:33:14 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Aug 3, 2020 21:20:12 GMT -5 thelegends said:

All social media is bad, except reddit.

Reddit is just as bad. Hiveminds rule the roost there. They only positive Reddit has is that you can find some pretty niche subreddits the GP hasn't gotten to yet that still have that nice early Internet, small knit community feel. But something like /r/funny, /r/politics, or /r/AskReddit? You better be prepared for a stream of hateful replies and PMs if you say something out of line. In turn, Reddit also has heinous subreddits that promote toxic ideologies like /r/The_Donald, /r/MensRights, /r/TheRedPill, /r/FemaleDatingStrategy, etc. Hell, Reddit's own Pulse equivalent, /r/popheads has turned into nothing but an extension of stan Twitter.

r/thedonald and r/Theredpill have been taken down. Also, there is a hivemind everywhere, even here. When I criticized We Belong Together, I was attacked for sharing my opinion. There is a pro-Mariah and pro-pop diva circlejerk here.

[Au$tin]

Aug 3, 2020 21:40:03 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Aug 3, 2020 21:33:14 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Reddit is just as bad. Hiveminds rule the roost there. They only positive Reddit has is that you can find some pretty niche subreddits the GP hasn't gotten to yet that still have that nice early Internet, small knit community feel. But something like /r/funny, /r/politics, or /r/AskReddit? You better be prepared for a stream of hateful replies and PMs if you say something out of line. In turn, Reddit also has heinous subreddits that promote toxic ideologies like /r/The_Donald, /r/MensRights, /r/TheRedPill, /r/FemaleDatingStrategy, etc. Hell, Reddit's own Pulse equivalent, /r/popheads has turned into nothing but an extension of stan Twitter.

r/thedonald and r/Theredpill have been taken down. Also, there is a hivemind everywhere, even here. When I criticized We Belong Together, I was attacked for sharing my opinion. There is a pro-Mariah and pro-pop diva circlejerk here.

Just because they were taken down doesn't mean the site doesn't have problems. They existed in the first place and become big enough to cause problems, no? So that doesn't negate my point. Especially when the others and several more I never even listed, still exist.

I also wasn't talking about Pulse, so I have no idea why you brought that up. I agree, Pulse has issues too, but so does every social media site. I wasn't arguing against that statement. I was simply debating your stance on "every social media site is bad except Reddit," which just isn't true.

[kimberly]

Aug 3, 2020 20:59:38 GMT -5 Fears in the Fire said:

Aug 3, 2020 20:25:42 GMT -5 kimberly said:

@killamonjaro - Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite essays explaining this:

Lol

you added nothing to the conversation, congrats

[atg]

Aug 3, 2020 19:02:52 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Aug 3, 2020 18:42:26 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Cardigan debuting at #1 on the HOT ROCK / ALTERNATIVE SONGS chart is a little jarring.
I guess the chart really IS revamped!

ON THE OTHER HAND

Starboy deserved to be on the decade end 😔

[85la]

Aug 3, 2020 20:21:42 GMT -5 inverse said:

Aug 3, 2020 19:27:51 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

It's sexist to point out that most posters on Pulse are more impressed by female statistics than male ones?

okay dokey.

On the other hand, I could make a case that most of the posters on Pulse are sexist against MEN rather easily as well.

Focusing on rarer achievements is not the same thing as sexism

For example, between Raise Your Glass and Cardigan there were numerous solo #1's by solo men in their 30's and even 40's. The implication being that it's a lot harder to get #1 as a woman in your 30's.

So it's not sexist against men to pay more attention to solo #1's by women in their 30's when they're so much harder to achieve.

Beyond that, the vast majority of hate posts on Pulse are directed towards women beyond a couple specific songs such as Someone You Loved

Well, I agree with everything in your post except that last point. There is a ton of hate, whether "deserved" or not, thrown at successful male artists on Pulse, whether it's Capaldi (not just Someone You Loved, but all of his songs and his voice in general), Maroon 5, Ed Sheeran (Especially Perfect and its chart longevity), Drake (by some people), Chris Brown, R. Kelly, 6ix9nine, XXXtentacion, Justin Timberlake...

I'm not saying that female artists don't get their fair share of hate by some posters, but it's innaccurate to say it makes up the vast majority beyond "a couple specific songs by male artists."

[Naos]

Speaking on the sexism topic, it's not sexist to recognize women's achivements anymore than it's discriminatory to straight people to recognize achievements of LGBTQ people, because of the roadblock a lot of women can face. Granted, when they're both young, men and women are roughly more equal in terms of achievement, shelf life of a man's career lasts generally longer than a woman's. Though eventually, both genders have the issue of older age impacting their success, it happens for women far sooner.

I think it's partly because a lot of women are marketed on their looks and sex appeal in a way men aren't. Some men can actually face the same issue if they don't age well (and use those things for their success), but it happens to men far less than women, and often at older ages for men.

The point is, women are more impacted, and therefore, usually their achivements are seen as more relevant.

[inverse]

Can we like not keep doing this? Nobody actually wants to be talking about gender politics or whatever. At the very least can it be kept to DM's.

We should talk about how great it is that such a beautiful song as August got to 23 on the hot 100. Would never have though that Taylor week would actually turn out to be more of a disaster than Trollz week here :(

[Naos]

Most Hot 100 entries:
1. Drake - 224
2. Glee Cast - 207
3. Lil Wayne - 169
4. Taylor Swift - 113
5. Future - 111
6. Nicki Minaj - 110
7. Elvis Presley - 109
8. Kanye West - 108
9. Chris Brown - 101
10. Jay-Z - 100

[kimberly]

Aug 3, 2020 23:53:01 GMT -5 inverse said:

Can we like not keep doing this? Nobody actually wants to be talking about gender politics or whatever. At the very least can it be kept to DM's.

We should talk about how great it is that such a beautiful song as August got to 23 on the hot 100. Would never have though that Taylor week would actually turn out to be more of a disaster than Trollz week here

calm down there's no disaster. literally this type of post is more annoying than any derailing intellectual conversation.

I think most of us agree that men can face sex or gender based discrimination but it is far less frequent, to the point where it is negligible in the grand scheme of how sexism plays out in real life. And Pulse celebrates women's achievements because it is objectively harder for women to succeed in the music industry (or most other industries, for that matter). 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Compared to previous threads, the discussion on sexism has been much more interesting and less obnoxious compared to other debates (I still have flashbacks to when the threads went on a tangent defining who is or isn't a one-hit wonder)

[Deleted]

Ya'll really trying it in here, women always have it harder than men in most careers and occupations
Let us celebrate the victories of female artists who the industry especially mistreats once they reach a certain age

The misogyny popped the fuck out of some of ya'll, push it back inside please, thanks.

[Naos]

New arrivals this week:
#95 - "Perfect" by Logic
#71 - "hoax" by Taylor Swift
#63 - "Un Dia (One Day)" by J Balvin, Dua Lipa, Bad Bunny & Tainy
#58 - "peace" by Taylor Swift
#57 - "epiphany" by Taylor Swift
#56 - "Happy Anywhere" by Blake Shelton featuring Gwen Stefani
#51 - "Lion King On Ice" by J. Cole
#47 - "mad woman" by Taylor Swift
#46 - "Nobody's Love" by Maroon 5
#44 - "illicit afairs" by Taylor Swift
#42 - "betty" by Taylor Swift
#39 - "this is me trying" by Taylor Swift
#37 - "invisible string" by Taylor Swift
#35 - "seven" by Taylor Swift
#26 - "mirrorball" by Taylor Swift
#23 - "august" by Taylor Swift
#16 - "my tears ricochet" by Taylor Swift
#13 - "the last great american dynasty" by Taylor Swift
#6 - "exile" by Taylor Swift featuring Bon Iver
#4 - "the 1" by Taylor Swift
#1 - "cardigan" by Taylor Swift

[higilo]

Oof, poor Logic

[Enigma.]

Only one entry by Logic? :o

Regarding that women over 30s discussion; I see Taylor (30), Rihanna (32), Adele (32) and Gaga (34) with chances of getting additional #1's solo. With Rihanna, it's all about how she'll release her music - will her singles be solo or duets.

Gaga has had two duet singles at #1 since she turned 30, but her biggest solo hits have reached #4 and #5. She's the most unlikely case of the "big 4" I'd say.

That is still very different prospect than in the early 00s, when Madonna (41), Janet (34), Mariah and Gwen Stefani (both 35) reached #1

[Naos]

Bubbling Under:
1. Gunna - Street Sweeper (debut)
2. Gunna - Relentless (debut)
3. Jameson Rodgers - Some Girls (+3)
4. Logic - No Pressure Intro (debut)
5. Logic - Hit My Line (debut)
6. Mulatto - B*tch From Da Souf (-1)
7. Ava Max - Kings & Queens (+6)
8. Nio Garcia, Anuel AA, Myke Towers, Brray & Juanka - La Jeepeta (=)
9. The Kid Laroi - Wrong (debut)
10. YFN Lucci - Wet. (-3)
11. Logic - GP4 (debut)
12. Chase Rice - Lonely If You Are (-2)
13. The Kid Laroi - Tell Me Why (-9)
14. Pop Smoke - Hello (debut)
15. Curtis Waters - Stunnin' (-4)
16. Gunna - 200 For Lunch (debut)
17. Logic - Soul Food II (debut)
18. Headie One & Drake - Only You Freestyle (debut)
19. Ozuna - Caramelo (-3)
20. BeatKing - Then Leave (-6)
21. Gunna - One Watch (debut)
22. Ski Mask The Slump God - Burn The Hoods (debut)
23. Tainy & J Balvin - Agua (debut)
24. Matt Stell - Everywhere But On (-6)
25. Jon Pardi - Ain't Always The Cowboy (-6)

[🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾]

Aug 1, 2020 9:42:25 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Aug 1, 2020 8:39:18 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

It takes awhile for them to set-up the system for the new rules in place. You can't do big changes on the spot without warning or without preparing the current system, the charts would've been a mess if they did it right away. 

Never has a chart rule change taken that much time. What happened is that BB had insider info on folklore’s release date before the rule change, and they allowed it to happen.

And even if they did know in advance, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

Get over it.

[Naos]

Notable dropouts:
- "The Scotts" by Travis Scott & Kid Cudi (#1 peak, 13 weeks)
- "Sunday Best" by Surfaces (#19 peak, 21 weeks)
- "Does to Me" by Luke Combs featuring Eric Church (#20 peak, 19 weeks)
- "Chicago Freestyle" by Drake featuring Giveon (#14 peak, 12 weeks)
- "After Party" by Don Toliver (#57 peak, 14 weeks)

"Emotionally Scarred", "Chasin' You", and "The Box" all survive for another week.