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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 29, 2020 14:39:52 GMT -5
I hope Circles doesn't fall too hard
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Post by thelegends on Jul 29, 2020 14:52:42 GMT -5
Cancel culture and stan culture are very toxic. When Pitchfork rated folklore at an 8/10, lots of swifties attacked the person who gave that rating, even to the point of doxxing and death threats.
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Post by Choco on Jul 29, 2020 15:11:44 GMT -5
Cancel culture and stan culture are very toxic. When Pitchfork rated folklore at an 8/10, lots of swifties attacked the person who gave that rating, even to the point of doxxing and death threats. All rabid fanbases do that. Sites will complain but ultimately rejoice in the surge of traffic. It recently happened to the videogame The Last of Us Part II, and while the stans tried to drag down it's score it still broke sales records. |
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 15:27:15 GMT -5
this is going to be a nailbiter. i still believe "cardigan" has a legitimate chance of going #1, due to the additional single sales from taylor's store. hoping for the best. Can someone explain to me how Cardigan is not a lock for number 1 when itβs streaming numbers and sales far exceed Rockstar? Iβm new to the forum so hello ππ |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Jul 29, 2020 15:41:31 GMT -5
Cancel culture and stan culture are very toxic. When Pitchfork rated folklore at an 8/10, lots of swifties attacked the person who gave that rating, even to the point of doxxing and death threats. lol cancel culture does not exist, certainly not for celebrities. If it did, Chris Brown would not be in the top 10 right now. I mean, it sucks a lot that Swifties are harassing the Pitchfork reviewer for not giving the album a high enough score, but that's not cancel culture. That's just plain ol' harassment. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 29, 2020 15:51:41 GMT -5
this is going to be a nailbiter. i still believe "cardigan" has a legitimate chance of going #1, due to the additional single sales from taylor's store. hoping for the best. Can someone explain to me how Cardigan is not a lock for number 1 when itβs streaming numbers and sales far exceed Rockstar? Iβm new to the forum so hello ππ Iβm guessing it comes down to Airplay. Whatever lead Taylor has on those two platforms, Rockstar makes up for in airplay. |
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Post by nak on Jul 29, 2020 15:56:53 GMT -5
An 8/10 for b*tchfork is actually quite good.
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 15:57:30 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me how Cardigan is not a lock for number 1 when itβs streaming numbers and sales far exceed Rockstar? Iβm new to the forum so hello ππ Iβm guessing it comes down to Airplay. Whatever lead Taylor has on those two platforms, Rockstar makes up for in airplay. thank you for responding .. I hear what you say but why was Trollz able to enter at number 1 when it also had no AirPlay ? |
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Post by reputainbow on Jul 29, 2020 16:02:29 GMT -5
Iβm guessing it comes down to Airplay. Whatever lead Taylor has on those two platforms, Rockstar makes up for in airplay. thank you for responding .. I hear what you say but why was Trollz able to enter at number 1 when it also had no AirPlay ? trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. |
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 16:07:13 GMT -5
thank you for responding .. I hear what you say but why was Trollz able to enter at number 1 when it also had no AirPlay ? trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. thank you so much πππ Iβm fascinated and trying to understand. So whatβs the threshold I guess when sales trump AirPlay ? Is it 100k? |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:31 GMT -5
thank you for responding .. I hear what you say but why was Trollz able to enter at number 1 when it also had no AirPlay ? trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. It also did incredibly well on streaming and Youtube |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:55 GMT -5
trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. thank you so much πππ Iβm fascinated and trying to understand. So whatβs the threshold I guess when sales trump AirPlay ? Is it 100k? Thereβs a certain formula they follow. Some of the chart experts may be able to share it with you |
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Post by thelegends on Jul 29, 2020 16:18:22 GMT -5
trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. thank you so much πππ Iβm fascinated and trying to understand. So whatβs the threshold I guess when sales trump AirPlay ? Is it 100k? If sales are 100k, then the song gets anywhere between 18.3k or 20k points (depends on whether the formula is sales/6 or sales/5). You can calculate streaming and airplay to see the difference. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 29, 2020 16:36:24 GMT -5
^There is no set threshold. It can vary week to week depending on changes on Airplay numbers. And that's not even taking into account streaming.
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 16:43:08 GMT -5
^There is no set threshold. It can vary week to week depending on changes on Airplay numbers. And that's not even taking into account streaming. Thank you π I obviously have a lot to learn |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 29, 2020 16:47:32 GMT -5
Cancel culture and stan culture are very toxic. When Pitchfork rated folklore at an 8/10, lots of swifties attacked the person who gave that rating, even to the point of doxxing and death threats. I donβt know why so much emphasis is placed on these critics anyway. When βANTIβ was released, the vast majority of high-end publications quickly released their reviews within the first 12 hours, all of which either gave the album a satisfactory score or completely denounced it. β’ ββNYTβ magazine infamously called it: βThe Rihanna album with no hitsβ but then ranked βWORKβ as their #1 song of 2016 on their YE list. π β’ βThe Guardianβ gave it 3/5 stars and then rated it as the 5th best album of 2016 on their YE list. π β’ βP4Kβ have the album a 7.7/10, and it ended up at #12 on their Decade-End list. π Overall, the album ranked as one of the top ten albums of the 2010βs by Metacritic. The album clearly proved everyone wrong but what annoys me is how these music journalists are quick to judge. |
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Post by strongerq on Jul 29, 2020 16:50:22 GMT -5
trollz had 116k sales on the week that it went #1, so i would say that's the main reason why. thank you so much πππ Iβm fascinated and trying to understand. So whatβs the threshold I guess when sales trump AirPlay ? Is it 100k? There is not threshold for how many sales you need to be #1. You can have 0 sales and be #1 in a certain week, or have 100K sales and miss #1 in another week (in theory). There are weeks where the #1 has 30K points, and there are weeks when the #1 has 50K+ points.
The formula is consisted of 3 factors: Radio, Streaming & Sales
Here is the formula leaked by 6ix9ine:
You can check these 2 threds if you are interested (they are weekly points estimates for top 10 for this year by 2 users):
Anyway tomorrow the twitter account that i linked will post early predictions, so you can see how close/far is cardigan from #1, maybe it is #1 who knows.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 29, 2020 16:54:25 GMT -5
The album clearly proved everyone wrong but what annoys me is how these music journalists are quick to judge. Iβve wondered how much time they have to write a review. With some albums, it takes more than just a few listens or a few days to really formulate good thoughts on it and I feel like with deadlines and a need to have a review posted the day of release at the latest, there is a requirement to jump the gun and post something to have something out there. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 29, 2020 16:56:17 GMT -5
Remember when Yahoo leaked their review for ANTI weeks before the album was released and had something like "[insert upbeat track here]"  |
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 17:01:41 GMT -5
thank you so much πππ Iβm fascinated and trying to understand. So whatβs the threshold I guess when sales trump AirPlay ? Is it 100k? There is not threshold for how many sales you need to be #1. You can have 0 sales and be #1 in a certain week, or have 100K sales and miss #1 in another week (in theory). There are weeks where the #1 has 30K points, and there are weeks when the #1 has 50K+ points.
The formula is consisted of 3 factors: Radio, Streaming & Sales
Here is the formula leaked by 6ix9ine:
You can check these 2 threds if you are interested (they are weekly points estimates for top 10 for this year by 2 users):
Anyway tomorrow the twitter account that i linked will post early predictions, so you can see how close/far is cardigan from #1, maybe it is #1 who knows.
Wow thanks a lot !! I appreciate that . Itβs clearly an organic process week to week and Iβll look and try figure out those calculations! (Puts hair in a bun ) ππ |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 29, 2020 17:02:19 GMT -5
The album clearly proved everyone wrong but what annoys me is how these music journalists are quick to judge. Iβve wondered how much time they have to write a review. With some albums, it takes more than just a few listens or a few days to really formulate good thoughts on it and I feel like with deadlines and a need to have a review posted the day of release at the latest, there is a requirement to jump the gun and post something to have something out there. the more you practice, the better you get at listening to a record and writing a review based on your first impression. however, I think all music journalists would agree that initial reviews are not conclusive, and they might end up putting the album in their favorites of the year even if the initial review was middling. (I also know for a fact that some artists/their labels give journalists a jumpstart by hosting listening parties and such couple days to a week in advance. this still doesn't change the fact that one listen is not conclusive, but in these cases at least the critiques come with more thought and deliberation than a review dropped an hour after album release.) |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 29, 2020 17:06:48 GMT -5
Remember when Yahoo leaked their review for ANTI weeks before the album was released and had something like "[insert upbeat track here]" Omg yes I found it: Ummm is Yahoo on her team's payroll? Talk about embarrassing! They posted a template article about Anti dropping tonight and it's total BS. They have brackets for inserting song titles and lyrics that they haven't even heard yet. Wow. Eye opening. Β They deleted it after a few minutes. Β Dying at the part where it says "she especially pushes the edge" and then "insert song title where she does this". LOOOOL.    |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 29, 2020 17:18:45 GMT -5
Remember when Yahoo leaked their review for ANTI weeks before the album was released and had something like "[insert upbeat track here]" Sβ’Cβ’Rβ’Eβ’Aβ’Mβ’Iβ’Nβ’G! 20 minutes later, the article had vanished, and then the Yahoo! PR team had to release a statement saying that it was a βmock reviewβ written by one of their new interns who was practicing and that it wasnβt βmeant to be releasedβ. πβ οΈπ |
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Post by GP on Jul 29, 2020 17:50:16 GMT -5
Taylor releasing just as Sim quits pleaseee
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Post by korbel16 on Jul 29, 2020 18:25:00 GMT -5
Any interesting release happening this Friday? Billie Eilish, Future and Uzi collab album, Juice WRLD deluxe. NOOOO ugh can the top 10 go back normal for just a week lol i want watermelon sugar to get a new peak |
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2020 18:27:32 GMT -5
Billie Eilish, Future and Uzi collab album, Juice WRLD deluxe. NOOOO ugh can the top 10 go back normal for just a week lol i want watermelon sugar to get a new peak Why is Billie Eilish and ASAP Ferg/ Nicki releasing their singles tomorrow ( Thursday) and not on Friday as usual ? |
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Post by 85la on Jul 29, 2020 19:48:46 GMT -5
Cancel culture and stan culture are very toxic. When Pitchfork rated folklore at an 8/10, lots of swifties attacked the person who gave that rating, even to the point of doxxing and death threats. I donβt know why so much emphasis is placed on these critics anyway. When βANTIβ was released, the vast majority of high-end publications quickly released their reviews within the first 12 hours, all of which either gave the album a satisfactory score or completely denounced it. β’ ββNYTβ magazine infamously called it: βThe Rihanna album with no hitsβ but then ranked βWORKβ as their #1 song of 2016 on their YE list. π β’ βThe Guardianβ gave it 3/5 stars and then rated it as the 5th best album of 2016 on their YE list. π β’ βP4Kβ have the album a 7.7/10, and it ended up at #12 on their Decade-End list. π Overall, the album ranked as one of the top ten albums of the 2010βs by Metacritic. The album clearly proved everyone wrong but what annoys me is how these music journalists are quick to judge. What you're saying doesn't seem accurate, that the vast majority of high-end publications gave it middling to negative reviews that came out within 12 hours upon its release. In general, I remember that the reviews that first came out were generally positive, and this is supported if you go to Anti's Metacritic page and look at the first reviews that came out (most of which were actually 2-5+ days after release, not within 12 hours), and most of them do in fact give higher scores. The ones that happened to come out the same day and that were negative-skewing (the yellow ones at the bottom), are in the minority, including two of the three you mentioned, The NY Times and The Guardian, so you are cherry-picking. Sometimes I think though that reviews that first come out fresh and free from anyone else's opinion or influenced by industry pressures or how much the album sells can be the most accurate, because the critics are forced to judge the music on it's own merits, but I agree that 12 hours is too soon though, a few days to a week would be sufficient to allow a thorough listen. I'll also admit though that sometimes much longer is needed, maybe even years, as one's appreciation of music is sometimes dependent on how well it marinates and sits with them over time, and it's sometimes necessary to see how society perceives and interacts with it. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 29, 2020 21:24:33 GMT -5
All this ANTI talk makes me miss Rihanna even more
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 29, 2020 21:56:19 GMT -5
I'm always skeptical when a review of anything pops up less than a day later. I think when reviewing anything, whether it's movies, albums, TV episodes, it helps to let it sit with you for a while, reflect on everything and not just the ending. Especially when it comes to music, extremely positive reactions from the get go tend to fade after I've sat down and listened to it a few more times, and ones that have grown on me stick around longer.
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 29, 2020 22:01:46 GMT -5
Not Break My Hurt being #12 in predictions without Taylor. Would be nice if she can sneak into the top 10.
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