Mathgeek
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Post by Mathgeek on Sept 14, 2020 11:32:17 GMT -5
^^ Yep, gotta get that YT record
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 14, 2020 12:21:42 GMT -5
How can someone be good at streaming or bad at streaming for that matter? If i like a song i will listen to it once/twice a day(the first week - untill i get bored of it), if i don't i won't stream it after the first listen. Fans aren't leaving their streaming platforms to run a single fuсking song 24/7 = well they are bad at streaming. I think that’s actually the problem, they get flagged as bots because they do that They should be flagged because they are behaving exactly like bots. They aren't really listening to the same song 200-300x a day. They turn it on - mute it, do other things, etc. |
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Post by GP on Sept 14, 2020 12:28:50 GMT -5
For a second straight day, the songs that gained more than normal.
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/09/14
1(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 136.15(+1.37) 9(=) Post Malone - Circles 91.61(+0.80)
for the love of sweet jesus can they stop |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 14, 2020 13:24:35 GMT -5
^For sure they will, once the holiday season comes around, that is!
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Gary
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2020 13:25:44 GMT -5
They are the unofficial songs of the covid era.
When that era is over...
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Post by iggyamo on Sept 14, 2020 13:27:07 GMT -5
They are the unofficial songs of the covid era. When that era is over... Isn’t the vaccine supposed to come out in 2024, they are going to be there for a while then. |
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Post by rainygirl on Sept 14, 2020 13:28:04 GMT -5
I think that’s actually the problem, they get flagged as bots because they do that They should be flagged because they are behaving exactly like bots. They aren't really listening to the same song 200-300x a day. They turn it on - mute it, do other things, etc. my understanding is that if you mute , it doesn’t count . Also , you need at least 2 songs in between , you can’t listen to the song continuously in a row. BB will flag and remove that as bots |
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Post by Myth X on Sept 14, 2020 13:47:56 GMT -5
Where are the Billboard charts? Are they on vacation this monday too?
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Post by kingvavis on Sept 14, 2020 14:20:29 GMT -5
Where are the Billboard charts? Are they on vacation this monday too? Gary Trust went Sicko Mode |
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Post by felipe on Sept 14, 2020 14:23:22 GMT -5
They should be flagged because they are behaving exactly like bots. They aren't really listening to the same song 200-300x a day. They turn it on - mute it, do other things, etc. my understanding is that if you mute , it doesn’t count . Also , you need at least 2 songs in between , you can’t listen to the song continuously in a row. BB will flag and remove that as bots How can they know if you have muted your device? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 14:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Sept 14, 2020 14:30:11 GMT -5
Nice to see WAP back up there.
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Post by nightvision on Sept 14, 2020 14:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by annoymous1 on Sept 14, 2020 14:34:34 GMT -5
WAP back on top and good for Dynamite only falling to #2.
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Post by dovahduck on Sept 14, 2020 14:35:45 GMT -5
Where are the Billboard charts? Are they on vacation this monday too? Gary Trust went Sicko Mode They all went to get the Travis Scott Burger for lunch |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 14, 2020 14:37:05 GMT -5
Weeks in the top 10
Blinding Lights 30
Rockstar 20
Whats Poppin 12
Watermelon Sugar 10
Savage Love 7
WAP 5
Laugh Now Cry Later 4
Dynamite 3
Mood 2
Popstar 2
*Blinding Lights is now the 11th song to spend at least 30 weeks in the top 10
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 14, 2020 14:38:40 GMT -5
Most weeks in the top 5
27 weeks
Shape Of You
Closer
Blinding Lights
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Post by livelightning on Sept 14, 2020 14:38:59 GMT -5
Weeks in the top 10 Blinding Lights 30 Rockstar 20 Whats Poppin 12 Watermelon Sugar 10 Savage Love 7 WAP 5 Laugh Now Cry Later 4 Dynamite 3 Mood 2 Popstar 2 Lets get 40 weeks for BL!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 14:44:26 GMT -5
Blinding Lights chart run: 11-52-63-72-59-39-32-21-18-15-12-10-8-7-4-2-1-1-2-1-1-2-3-4-3-4-3-3-5-3-3-2-4-4-5-4-3-4-5-5-5
just a reminder of this beautiful growth 💆🏽♂️
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 14, 2020 14:45:35 GMT -5
Wap:
48 mil streams (#1)
16k sales (#2)
Dynamite:
13 mil streams (#16)
136k sales (#1)
So if it wasn't for bts website sales, we'd be back in the teens for top seller. It'll be interesting to see how long BTS fans keep bulk buying on the website. Perhaps all the way until their next song? Hmm.
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Post by iHype. on Sept 14, 2020 14:49:14 GMT -5
So this indirectly helps sales/radio. If they're going to go discontinue counting streams from user-uploads then they need to look into these bulk buying messes immediately. If a fan uploads an audio of a song on YouTube, and it gets 10 million views in a week, none of that counts despite people specifically went to that video to consume the song and it was tracked appropriately. Yet if a song is bought in 23 different versions from 1 person that should all count as popularity? |
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Post by bigolefreak on Sept 14, 2020 14:50:39 GMT -5
WAP back at #1 where it belongs. *Saweetie voice* I know that's right (and how it should be)
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Post by starlord on Sept 14, 2020 14:52:11 GMT -5
Mood showing the box level growth and it going number 1 before Savage Love would be crazy.
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2020 14:57:05 GMT -5
So this indirectly helps sales/radio. If they're going to go discontinue counting streams from user-uploads then they need to look into these bulk buying messes immediately. If a fan uploads an audio of a song on YouTube, and it gets 10 million views in a week, none of that counts despite people specifically went to that video to consume the song and it was tracked appropriately. Yet if a song is bought in 23 different versions from 1 person that should all count as popularity? . Yes. But if 1000 people in the same geographic area each buy 23 copies them no |
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Post by purp child on Sept 14, 2020 14:59:46 GMT -5
So this indirectly helps sales/radio. If they're going to go discontinue counting streams from user-uploads then they need to look into these bulk buying messes immediately. If a fan uploads an audio of a song on YouTube, and it gets 10 million views in a week, none of that counts despite people specifically went to that video to consume the song and it was tracked appropriately. Yet if a song is bought in 23 different versions from 1 person that should all count as popularity? Apparently this is the “right” way to go about showcasing a song’s popularity lol |
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Post by iHype. on Sept 14, 2020 15:05:54 GMT -5
The biggest thing about this is Billboard is fully now going against the agenda THEY started.
Billboard decided to randomly add YouTube one-week and have Harlem Shake debut #1 with 100 million streams that almost entirely came from non-official video views.
Now this rule would've essentially removed all 100 million of those streams....
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Post by CocaNola on Sept 14, 2020 15:21:44 GMT -5
Horrible change. Lyric videos are the most popular upload of a bunch of songs, especially ones by indie artists who's channels are 10x smaller than the lyric channel that uploaded it. And sometimes the algorithm just prefers the lyric video and puts it first when you search for a song. This is really going to hurt organic hits by smaller artists, and for what? What makes unofficial uploads of full songs not a valid way of listening? Are people not watching with the intent of listening to the song? Actual bullshit. |
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Post by gs on Sept 14, 2020 15:30:06 GMT -5
Billboard just continually downweights YouTube like it's not a valid way of streaming. Likely pressure from the music industry because it doesn't generate much revenue compared to Spotify & AM.
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Post by fhas on Sept 14, 2020 15:37:22 GMT -5
They're changing how they count YouTube streams for the third time in two years.
However, stans buying 4 copies of the same song (and counting as 250 paid streams or 375 ad-supported streams) and radio using estimated numbers from two months ago (and counting as 35-40% of the chart points) is not a problem.
Note: Effective with this week's charts (dated Sept. 19), YouTube song UGC (user-generated content) will no longer factor into Billboard surveys. The removal of song UGC will align all streaming content among Billboard's songs and albums charts, and the newly-launched Billboard Global 200 and Billboard Global Excl. U.S. songs charts, to include only official audio and video streams. The change follows the removal of non-song UGC video content from the Hot 100 and other songs charts in January and will result in minimal changes in rank, especially in the top half of the Hot 100.
If they want to align their charts... why don't they remove website sales (like they did with the global charts)?
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Post by sirskimask on Sept 14, 2020 15:39:29 GMT -5
Most weeks in the top 5 27 weeks Shape Of You Closer Blinding Lights Hope it gets the record proper. Don't want such a great song to share the record with two incredibly mediocre ones. |
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