Billboard Hot 100: 10/24/2020

[thelegends]

Oct 11, 2020 10:33:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Oct 11, 2020 9:17:27 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Of course there’s gonna be societial issues when the song is named “WAP”. It’s also much more explicit than some popular songs. Also, encouraging children to dance to a song that talks about pussy, cum, and explicit sex is obviously gonna cause issues between the general public.

why? "WAP" isn't an explicit name in and of itself, and the song has 2 clean versions to choose from. It's not the first song to be explicit or talk ubiquitously about sex, either. This society has even let slide men talking about DRUGGING women to have sex in their songs. a song like "Blurred Lines" broke airplay records. There's a clear double standard.

Oct 11, 2020 10:10:09 GMT -5 imbondz said:

There’s nothing ok with children dancing and singing to WAP. If you think that’s ok I feel sad for you. And parents that let their children should be punched. Life is hard enough children don’t need to be exposed to that any earlier than necessary. Once you have kids your perspective will completely change. Kids are innocent and we should protect that as much as we can.

the more you oppress sexuality in your kids, the worse decisions they are going to make down the line. obviously I'm not talking about children who CANNOT legally consent, but pretending that teens are "innocent and parents should be punched if they let them listen to explicit music" is a useless rhetoric. I'm talking kids that are 13 and over, who are allowed to sign up for TikTok, who should (and sometimes do) receive sex ed, and begin their journey to discover their sexualities/gender identities. Obviously a 6 year-old dancing to a suggestive song like "WAP" would be weird. no one's arguing that. I also haven't come across any videos of the sort.

what I mean by "patriarchy" being the reason for this is that I'm guessing when a minor does post a video with "WAP" in it, it is going to have adult men viewing and sexualizing them. in a perfect world, I don't think there would be any problem with teens dancing to whatever song they wanted to, but putting content online is a different thing.

Ah yes, Little Jimmy will be searching wet ass pussy on google after he has heard the song and will open a can of wormholes that he won’t be able to close (getting exposed to pornography). If you think that that’s ok, idk what to say. Also, I do believe that there will be more child porn in the future, partly as a result of WAP and WAP wannabes, it is unavoidable to the point where the age of consent will be lowered.

Also the irony of talking about male rappers talking about drugging women, when Cardi B talked about drugging men. Still fuck Tory Lanez for what he did to Megan.

[owenlovesmusic]

On his debut tape, Post Malone has a cover of “Dreams” already lol.

Called “Hollywood Dreams.” I actually like it a lot.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Oct 11, 2020 12:35:03 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Oct 11, 2020 10:33:58 GMT -5 kimberly said:

why? "WAP" isn't an explicit name in and of itself, and the song has 2 clean versions to choose from. It's not the first song to be explicit or talk ubiquitously about sex, either. This society has even let slide men talking about DRUGGING women to have sex in their songs. a song like "Blurred Lines" broke airplay records. There's a clear double standard.

the more you oppress sexuality in your kids, the worse decisions they are going to make down the line. obviously I'm not talking about children who CANNOT legally consent, but pretending that teens are "innocent and parents should be punched if they let them listen to explicit music" is a useless rhetoric. I'm talking kids that are 13 and over, who are allowed to sign up for TikTok, who should (and sometimes do) receive sex ed, and begin their journey to discover their sexualities/gender identities. Obviously a 6 year-old dancing to a suggestive song like "WAP" would be weird. no one's arguing that. I also haven't come across any videos of the sort.

what I mean by "patriarchy" being the reason for this is that I'm guessing when a minor does post a video with "WAP" in it, it is going to have adult men viewing and sexualizing them. in a perfect world, I don't think there would be any problem with teens dancing to whatever song they wanted to, but putting content online is a different thing.

Ah yes, Little Jimmy will be searching wet ass pussy on google after he has heard the song and will open a can of wormholes that he won’t be able to close (getting exposed to pornography). If you think that that’s ok, idk what to say. Also, I do believe that there will be more child porn in the future, partly as a result of WAP and WAP wannabes, it is unavoidable to the point where the age of consent will be lowered.

oof. Iit's been awhile since I've seen a slippery slope this steep. you gotta be careful where you put those, you might fall into a rabbithole of bulls**t if you're not careful. you may have a point though. After all, it's common knowledge that before 2020, children never and I mean NEVER EVER had to look up sex slang thanks to a popular song

[kimberly]

are we really comparing a Black female sex worker giving men sleeping pills to swipe credit cards and cash out of their pockets before she was famous (which isn't good behavior, but it's a non-violent crime) to men drugging women to r*pe them and using that in their songs and bragging about it???

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 11, 2020 13:21:40 GMT -5 kimberly said:

are we really comparing a Black female sex worker giving men sleeping pills to swipe credit cards and cash out of their pockets before she was famous (which isn't good behavior, but it's a non-violent crime) to men drugging women to r*pe them and using that in their songs and bragging about it???

One is worse than the other but both are bad. Drugging anyone is bad because the drugged person can't give consent to anything that happens after.

[strongerq]

Am i here or what ?

P.S: I have nothing against this discussion, but it has no place here. It's like 1/4 of the whole thread. Take it to the general forums or Cardi B discussion page.

[GP]

Oct 11, 2020 12:43:13 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

On his debut tape, Post Malone has a cover of “Dreams” already lol.

Called “Hollywood Dreams.” I actually like it a lot.

Me too! whenever I streamed Dreams I would always go for Post's cover afterwards to compare.. crazy to think Dreams is now a streaming top10

[kimberly]

Oct 11, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 11, 2020 13:21:40 GMT -5 kimberly said:

are we really comparing a Black female sex worker giving men sleeping pills to swipe credit cards and cash out of their pockets before she was famous (which isn't good behavior, but it's a non-violent crime) to men drugging women to r*pe them and using that in their songs and bragging about it???

One is worse than the other but both are bad. Drugging anyone is bad because the drugged person can't give consent to anything that happens after.

theft is always non-consensual. in Cardi's case, the victims are unharmed. the reason why she had to resort to stealing from rich men is also a societal issue we have with capitalism, access to education and welfare, and wealth disparity. she hasn't made songs about this, either. 

songs like "Blurred Lines," "Baby It's Cold Outside," and "Blame It," among others, promote rape culture and become hits. patriarchy and the idea that men should have ownership of women's bodies is the reason we're having this conversation, and it shouldn't be too complicated to admit that.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Oct 11, 2020 12:43:13 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

On his debut tape, Post Malone has a cover of “Dreams” already lol.

Called “Hollywood Dreams.” I actually like it a lot.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Oct 11, 2020 14:30:41 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Oct 11, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

One is worse than the other but both are bad. Drugging anyone is bad because the drugged person can't give consent to anything that happens after.

songs like "Blurred Lines," "Baby It's Cold Outside," and "Blame It," among others, promote rape culture and become hits. patriarchy and the idea that men should have ownership of women's bodies is the reason we're having this conversation, and it shouldn't be too complicated to admit that.

One of these things is not like the others...

Yes, "Blurred Lines" and "Blame It" (among other more egregious examples like "U.O.E.N.O") definitely propagated toxic masculinity and rape culture, and normalized sleaziness as means of 'flirting'.

However, "Baby It's Cold Outside" belongs to a different era, and while I understand why there was outrage under modern lens, I firmly believe the song in its essence was written to play around societal expectations of women and their sexuality, with the female protagonist clearly wanting to stay the night with the male protagonist, but worried about outside judgment, hence the excuses (+ 'what's in this drink' could be interpreted as her seeking yet another excuse - that she got drunk and couldn't go home). The problem, however, is that while some covers nailed this interpretation spot-on, where both performers are playful and flirtatious and clearly into it, others opt for the classic 'man pressuring woman to stay' interpretation, which is just unpleasant to hear.

Regardless, I just don't think this song deserves to be put alongside the other two, personally.

[walt91]

Oct 11, 2020 12:35:03 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Ah yes, Little Jimmy will be searching wet ass pussy on google after he has heard the song and will open a can of wormholes that he won’t be able to close (getting exposed to pornography). If you think that that’s ok, idk what to say. Also, I do believe that there will be more child porn in the future, partly as a result of WAP and WAP wannabes, it is unavoidable to the point where the age of consent will be lowered.

Also the irony of talking about male rappers talking about drugging women, when Cardi B talked about drugging men. Still f**k Tory Lanez for what he did to Megan.

[kimberly]

Oct 11, 2020 14:46:29 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Oct 11, 2020 14:30:41 GMT -5 kimberly said:

songs like "Blurred Lines," "Baby It's Cold Outside," and "Blame It," among others, promote rape culture and become hits. patriarchy and the idea that men should have ownership of women's bodies is the reason we're having this conversation, and it shouldn't be too complicated to admit that.

One of these things is not like the others...

Yes, "Blurred Lines" and "Blame It" (among other more egregious examples like "U.O.E.N.O") definitely propagated toxic masculinity and rape culture, and normalized sleaziness as means of 'flirting'.

However, "Baby It's Cold Outside" belongs to a different era, and while I understand why there was outrage under modern lens, I firmly believe the song in its essence was written to play around societal expectations of women and their sexuality, with the female protagonist clearly wanting to stay the night with the male protagonist, but worried about outside judgment, hence the excuses (+ 'what's in this drink' could be interpreted as her seeking yet another excuse - that she got drunk and couldn't go home). The problem, however, is that while some covers nailed this interpretation spot-on, where both performers are playful and flirtatious and clearly into it, others opt for the classic 'man pressuring woman to stay' interpretation, which is just unpleasant to hear.

Regardless, I just don't think this song deserves to be put alongside the other two, personally.

It's ok to acknowledge a song as a classic while criticizing it, too. Rape culture is tolerated way less now, compared to that period in time where it was completely normal for some people to think women have a responsibility to "serve their husbands" and "be good wives" etc. times changed, and it became more clear that this presentation of love and romance has done more harm than good. maybe someone in 40 years will say the same about a song we deem "harmless" right now. that's just how activism and fighting for equality works. 

it's similar to how many consider "Snow White" an alarming story these days, and criticize a lot of old Disney princess movies and stories. 

[Gary]

All great songs

[jodakyellow]

Oct 11, 2020 15:07:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

All great songs

Lmaooooooo anyway where will Mimi be this week!?

[ddlz]

Holy:
#4 Shazam
#5 iTunes
#10 Spotify
#15 pop radio
#19 Apple

How on earth is this turd performing this well?

[kimberly]

Oct 11, 2020 15:10:02 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Oct 11, 2020 15:07:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

All great songs

Lmaooooooo anyway where will Mimi be this week!?

biggest fall from #1

all I want for flopmas is youuuuu

[Gary]

Oct 11, 2020 15:10:02 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Oct 11, 2020 15:07:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

All great songs

Lmaooooooo anyway where will Mimi be this week!?

Probably just a few weeks away, the first sighting a year ago was the 11/16 chart

[code]

I thought it was so fucking pathetic the way robin and pharrell folded during that controversy

A simple "no my song is not about rape and no amount of articles is gonna change that" is all they needed to say

[fridayteenage]

Outside of holidays & deaths, when's the last time a super old song like Dreams was top 2 in sales?

...Possibly not since Hallelujah in 2008 after an Idol performance?

[atg]

I just realized, this week’s chart is the exact same date as drake’s birthday. I guess that means we might get the album on friday?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Oct 11, 2020 15:17:31 GMT -5 Gary said:

Oct 11, 2020 15:10:02 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Lmaooooooo anyway where will Mimi be this week!?

Probably just a few weeks away, the first sighting a year ago was the 11/16 chart

This  probably translates to the 11/14 or 11/21 chart this year. I guess it depends how quickly people shift from Halloween music to Holiday music.

[wavey.]

Oct 11, 2020 15:12:33 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Holy:
#4 Shazam
#5 iTunes
#10 Spotify
#15 pop radio
#19 Apple

How on earth is this turd performing this well?

BLESSINGS.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Oct 11, 2020 15:12:33 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Holy:
#4 Shazam
#5 iTunes
#10 Spotify
#15 pop radio
#19 Apple

How on earth is this turd performing this well?

Karens have discovered streaming platforms

[iHype.]

Bieber obviously still has a decent draw with the public given the decent amount of hits/charting the last year, he's just not a phenomenon anymore (at the moment atleast). People assumed he was going towards a Katy-type situation of having a huge downfall/becoming entirely irrelevant overnight, but it's more of just a natural decline.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^^You probably mean Beliebers. Although with Holy he's different trying to attract a whole new audience.

[wavey.]

Am I missing the new audience or what.. cause it's a pop song...just using religous terms...

[pokepikalem]

Oct 11, 2020 18:56:57 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

...Possibly not since Hallelujah in 2008 after an Idol performance?

I remember this. Idol was such a FORCE back then. Did the Beatles album got back to #1 after they did Beatles week on Idol?

[thelegends]

Oct 11, 2020 14:30:41 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Oct 11, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

One is worse than the other but both are bad. Drugging anyone is bad because the drugged person can't give consent to anything that happens after.

theft is always non-consensual. in Cardi's case, the victims are unharmed. the reason why she had to resort to stealing from rich men is also a societal issue we have with capitalism, access to education and welfare, and wealth disparity. she hasn't made songs about this, either. 

songs like "Blurred Lines," "Baby It's Cold Outside," and "Blame It," among others, promote rape culture and become hits. patriarchy and the idea that men should have ownership of women's bodies is the reason we're having this conversation, and it shouldn't be too complicated to admit that.

If you think that unwillingly losing a lot of money is not harmful to the victim, then you are in the wrong. Both are bad crimes that shouldn’t be encouraged. Also, most male rappers don’t do date rape, some of them sing about stuff they don’t do (e.g. : Future).

[missgenericnickname]

.......Well anyways I'm pretty sure Savage Love is just doing the same thing for whatever Watermelon Sugar did& dropping right back between 7-9 during the Oct 24th chart week

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Spotify 10/11/20

1(=) Cardi B - WAP 1,199,692 (-162,220)
2(=) Internet Money - Lemonade 1,151,761 (-165,555)
3(=) 24kGoldn - Mood 1,114,117 (-167,269)
4(=) Pop Smoke - For the Night 1,010,707 (-124,622)
5(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later 971,963 (-159,033)
6(=) Fleetwood Mac - Dreams 873,731 (-158,498)
7(=) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 820,194 (-94,534)
8(=) 21 Savage - Mr. Right Now 710,758 (-139,100)
9(=) DaBaby - ROCKSTAR 667,817 (-92,030)
10(+3) Juice WRLD - Wishing Well 646,040 (-49,482)

Others:
11(-1) Justin Bieber - Holy 630,785 (-111,226)
13(+1) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 610,024 (-80,385)
14(-3) 21 Savage - Runnin 594,657 (-123,466)
15(+1) BTS - Dynamite 574,837 (-82,473)
16(+4) Conan Gray - Heather 569,476 (-28,199)
19(=) Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar 530,040 (-68,727)
20(-2) Shawn Mendes - Wonder 526,796 (-76,619)
22(+1) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 506,042 (-57,876)
23(-2) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 492,660 (-88,188)
24(=) Pop Smoke - Mood Swings 487,464 (-46,660)
25(=) Tate McRae - you broke me first 478,998 (-49,075)
26(+2) Polo G - Martin & Gina 440,905 (-48,907)
27(-1) Travis Scott - FRANCHISE 439,805 (-76,746)
28(+1) Clairo - Sofia 439,196 (-22,589)
29(-2) Money Man - 24 426,633 (-64,804)
33(-3) Jawsh 465 - Savage Love 404,872 (-53,109)
34(+4) Juice WRLD - Smile 402,402 (-30,646)
38(+6) Pop Smoke - The Woo 382,713 (-40,826)
41(-9) 21 Savage - Glock in My Lap 375,851 (-77,483)
42(-3) Big Sean - Wolves 373,641 (-58,704)
46(-3) Trippie Redd - Sleepy Hallow 360,482 (-63,938)
49(-3) Maluma - Hawái 336,979 (-58,404)
50(-1) Morgan Wallen - 7 Summers 336,600 (-39,989)
51(+8) Ashnikko - Daisy 329,956 (-29,654)
60(+2) BØRNS - Electric Love 320,062 (-29,460)
63(-5) Miley Cyrus - Midnight Sky 313,268 (-47,155)
67(-17) Machine Gun Kelly - forget me too 305,346 (-67,681)
81(-14) Joel Corry - Head & Heart 278,977 (-59,987)
88(-12) Bet You Wanna 271,725 (-48,202)
97(-15) Fleetwood Mac - The Chain 260,152 (-51,080)
98(-7) Topic - Breaking Me 259,355 (-39,340)
99(-12) Dua Lipa - Levitating 258,263 (-45,246)

102(+5) CORPSE and Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 252,830 (-19,996)
111(+3) salem ilese - Mad at Disney 243,645 (-24,982)
112(=) Vedo - You Got It 239,567 (-29,723)
113(+2) Labrinth - Still Don't Know My Name 239,324 (-20,837)
115(-21) Bebe Rexha - Baby, I'm Jealous 238,526 (-58,784)
131(-15) Jason Derulo - Take You Dancing 222,448 (-37,570)
143(-11) Fleetwood Mac - Landslide 215,548 (-32,858)

Getting back to our regular scheduled insanity, do y'all think we could see a big boost for 24 after the Lakers won the championship?