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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 30, 2020 14:34:43 GMT -5
There must be an error here. Dynamite had to been #4. Otherwise, it would be impossible for it to be #3 on the Hot 100 with less than 20k sales. There are physical sales. And perhaps Complete My Album. Imagine if oil companies could impact daily temperature readings by install refrigeration units in key places, thus making the average globs temperature lower than it actually is to make themselves look good. Or imagine if governments purposely avoided conducted covid testing for its population to avoid placing higher on the list of countries with the most cases to make themselves look better. Kim, there's people that are dying. Not really the same thing as music charts tactics... |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Nov 30, 2020 14:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 30, 2020 14:38:07 GMT -5
There is never going to be a right or wrong way with the charts. There is always something that could be seen as manipulation, cheating, whatever you want to call it. Radio stations playing Blinding Lights nearly a year later, multiple times a week can be considered chart manipulation.
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Post by Crimsonio on Nov 30, 2020 14:41:09 GMT -5
I am honestly so disgusted right now. I hate men so much in general right now but this puts it over the top, imagine having BTS, Shawn, and Justin debuting high with HORRIBLE songs. This is honestly the maddest I think I've ever been in terms of the charts. The fraudulent BTS fanbase is literally insane, like get a hobby, the GP is not touching your horrible autotuned messes. And don't think I'm forgetting the boring ass mess Shawn and Justin gave us, a tired ballad that's been done before with NO sex appeal at all. Eff the Billboard charts!
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 30, 2020 14:43:01 GMT -5
There must be an error here. Dynamite had to been #4. Otherwise, it would be impossible for it to be #3 on the Hot 100 with less than 20k sales. There are physical sales. Aren't physical sales included for Digital Songs? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 30, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
There must be an error here. Dynamite had to been #4. Otherwise, it would be impossible for it to be #3 on the Hot 100 with less than 20k sales. There are physical sales. And perhaps Complete My Album. Imagine if oil companies could impact daily temperature readings by install refrigeration units in key places, thus making the average globs temperature lower than it actually is to make themselves look good. Or imagine if governments purposely avoided conducted covid testing for its population to avoid placing higher on the list of countries with the most cases to make themselves look better. Kim, there's people that are dying. Not really the same thing as music charts tactics... There sure are! BTS stans everywhere will suffer if their well-executed plan doesnβt come to fruition! |
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Post by atg on Nov 30, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
The Hot 100 seems so corrupted nowadays. (not saying this because of BTS) Couldnβt agree more. I donβt think the top 10 is a true determination on whatβs the most popular at all. The spotify charts have more realism as to whatβs popular compared to billboard nowadays |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 30, 2020 14:44:56 GMT -5
I mean now that it's clear billboard clearly don't give a f**k, I fully expect artists with hyper passionate fanbases to do the same thing until BB does something π€·πΎββοΈ. But that's the point: Billboard doesn't seem like it's interested in doing anything about it, lol. |
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Post by annoymous1 on Nov 30, 2020 14:48:05 GMT -5
Hopefully Army has enough money for week 2. Don't need Life Goes On to surpass Trollz as the biggest drop from #1.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 14:51:41 GMT -5
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Post by Mathgeek on Nov 30, 2020 14:52:27 GMT -5
At the end of the day, itβs just a chart. The world didnβt end.
Good for BTS & Army that they could even do this with just one version of this song.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 30, 2020 14:54:32 GMT -5
I mean now that it's clear billboard clearly don't give a f**k, I fully expect artists with hyper passionate fanbases to do the same thing until BB does something π€·πΎββοΈ. But that's the point: Billboard doesn't seem like it's interested in doing anything about it, lol. You say Billboard, but they pretty much operate at the behest of labels. Labels seem interested in drumming up this business and probably want it reflected in the charts. When they change their attitude, Billboard will change its rules. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 30, 2020 14:54:50 GMT -5
Well, first of all, congratulations to BTS. A #1 debut with a non-English song was expected given their increasing hype with each release, and not to mention the bridge created by "Dynamite". Will it hold on? I don't know, but that's a matter for next week.
I'll just give my take in this whole situation: passionate fanbases have always existed: I'm sure if we had the current chart system, metrics, and technology during the Beatles or Britney/*NSYNC/Backstreet Boys days, they would all get incredibly hyped and front-loaded debuts too. Hell, just think about One Direction and early Justin Bieber, who often got top 10 debuts before YouTube was even considered as a metric. Just like the soccer moms who like their inoffensive radio filler, stans also form the bulk of the American listening public, and they also deserve their representation on the Hot 100.
That's just my opinion, of course.
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Post by gabe on Nov 30, 2020 14:59:28 GMT -5
Just like the soccer moms who like their inoffensive radio filler, stans also form the bulk of the American listening public, and they also deserve their representation on the Hot 100. so now 100k annoying ass bts stans are the bulk of the American listening public? |
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Post by iHype. on Nov 30, 2020 15:01:38 GMT -5
I think Billboard is interested in trying to keep the chart's integrity upheld. The fact they banned bundles makes it clear that to a certain point it's no longer about just trying to satisfy label's wanting to inflate success.
The issue is they'll probably wait until next year or something to fix the stuff regarding sales on Hot 100. They're way too reactive instead of proactive in general, so they just wait until a bunch of mess happens to make rules rather than actually jumping ahead during the first sign.
They've just always been the type to let mess happen for a long time, for a certain period to have a bunch of asterisks, then finally do something.
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Post by chanman on Nov 30, 2020 15:03:34 GMT -5
There is never going to be a right or wrong way with the charts. There is always something that could be seen as manipulation, cheating, whatever you want to call it. Radio stations playing Blinding Lights nearly a year later, multiple times a week can be considered chart manipulation. Correct as you said. The same could be said if Billboard took out Radio and Sales and all artists have to use Streaming services in order to chart a song. Imagine streaming alone and in a week when there are 3 or 4 albums bombs with hardly any artists on the Hot 100 because they are dominated by the same 3 or 4 artists in most positions. It would be unfair with multiple entries from the same artist and rapid movements and drop outs each week shows a messy chart. It doesn't bother me what Billboard does with the formula.. as long as they keep trying to include different genres and capture in new trends of getting data into Hot 100 charts. I am actually liking this year due to fast change of number ones and fast changing top 10 each week with the debuts when compared to other years. |
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Post by Henry SuΓ‘rez on Nov 30, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -5
The Hot 100 seems so corrupted nowadays. (not saying this because of BTS) Couldnβt agree more. I donβt think the top 10 is a true determination on whatβs the most popular at all. The spotify charts have more realism as to whatβs popular compared to billboard nowadays That's why I'm following the Radio and Spotify/streaming charts more than the Hot 100 (to me it has lost relevancy, 2020 has been a mess for this chart as well). People criticize Radio and streaming because of manipulation of playlists but I feel they reflect more on what people are listening. Folks will say the 70s, 80s and hell even the 90s and 00s Hot 100 was also manipulated, for different reasons, but most of those hits were really big in their days compared to a #1 of this year: Trollz, this song was a #1 hit, wtf, it's puzzling to me. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Nov 30, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -5
gabe They form part of the listening public, absolutely. And I do believe the BTS fandom has grown enough not to be considered a microcosm anymore, unlike, say, Why Don't We, which recently debuted at #37 despite not even being in the top 200 on Spotify. Here's a good comparison, consider the BTS phenomenon as the American Idol phenomenon. Massive debuts driven by sales, and while most have poor longevity, some last long enough, resonate with listeners, and become hits. It is what it is, though I agree sales could be weighted less (and Billboard has already made some improvements lately, especially with the merch that was taking ages to arrive).
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Post by chanman on Nov 30, 2020 15:08:14 GMT -5
Well, first of all, congratulations to BTS. A #1 debut with a non-English song was expected given their increasing hype with each release, and not to mention the bridge created by "Dynamite". Will it hold on? I don't know, but that's a matter for next week. I'll just give my take in this whole situation: passionate fanbases have always existed: I'm sure if we had the current chart system, metrics, and technology during the Beatles or Britney/*NSYNC/Backstreet Boys days, they would all get incredibly hyped and front-loaded debuts too. Hell, just think about One Direction and early Justin Bieber, who often got top 10 debuts before YouTube was even considered as a metric. Just like the soccer moms who like their inoffensive radio filler, stans also form the bulk of the American listening public, and they also deserve their representation on the Hot 100. That's just my opinion, of course. Same opinion here. That's their competitive advantage and I don't see it being wrong. Other musical acts can try that route.... |
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Post by wavey. on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:00 GMT -5
β’LETS GOOO BTS! A Kpop group with 2 #1's. We've come such a long way.
β’Happy for Biebs getting another Top 10 this year.(Not really a fan of "Monster" butπ€·π½ββοΈ)
β’Lemonade still holding!
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 30, 2020 15:09:11 GMT -5
It's interesting how much more energy those stans put into digital song sales vs. early this year:
01 86,000 ON BTS
02 18,000 MY TIME BTS
I mean, that's good for 2020, but it's not this week's 129k/69k/58k.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 30, 2020 15:11:49 GMT -5
There is never going to be a right or wrong way with the charts. There is always something that could be seen as manipulation, cheating, whatever you want to call it. Radio stations playing Blinding Lights nearly a year later, multiple times a week can be considered chart manipulation. Blinding Lights is still a huge hit right now because radio audiences still love it (it routinely hangs out near the top of the Top 40 Call-Outs every week), it's in the iTunes Top 10 and Top 20 on Spotify. It's been around for a year right, but it continues to smash because it's still smashing. It's not being inflated by radio alone as most would like to think, it was the same way with Circles. Entirely different situation when a single song does really well in one competent during it's first week and utterly collapses everywhere afterwards, Blinding Lights has been consistent on all components during it's entire run, it's far from chart manipulation. |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Nov 30, 2020 15:18:21 GMT -5
Maybe itβs chart manipulation to send βDynamiteβ into pop radioβs Top 10 despite its consistently garbage callouts π€
What counts as manipulation to one person isnβt manipulation to another. Meh. Weβre running in circles now. (I dare u to dooooo sooooomethin)
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 30, 2020 15:20:27 GMT -5
Maybe itβs chart manipulation to send βDynamiteβ into pop radioβs Top 10 despite its consistently garbage callouts π€ What counts as manipulation to one person isnβt manipulation to another. Meh. Weβre running in circles now. (I dare u to dooooo sooooomethin) Yeah the one time pop radio ignores bad call-outs it's BTS, pretty interesting. A massive hit like Old Town Road only made it to #3 got pretty mediocre call-out scores and dropped like a rock. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 30, 2020 15:21:22 GMT -5
But that's the point: Billboard doesn't seem like it's interested in doing anything about it, lol. You say Billboard, but they pretty much operate at the behest of labels. Labels seem interested in drumming up this business and probably want it reflected in the charts. When they change their attitude, Billboard will change its rules. I guess you could say that but I don't think it's THAT easy. Yes, Billboard consults with record labels and other leaders in the music industry but don't they only play an advisory role in what Billboard eventually ends up doing? Labels were all here for bundles. They were making a lot of money from them and their artists were scoring high debut sales figures but Billboard eventually made a proper amendment to their bundling policy. They can change their policies about sales if they really want to. It seems like it's something they just aren't ready to do yet. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 30, 2020 15:28:29 GMT -5
Groups with 3 #1s in a decade:
2000s Destiny's Child & Outkast
2010s Maroon Five
2020s BTS
How, mmm, quaint.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 30, 2020 15:29:47 GMT -5
Oh, weβre pretending Savage Love was a BTS number one too eh? πππ
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Post by Naos on Nov 30, 2020 15:30:02 GMT -5
Cool to see BTS hit #1, though I'm not as invested, mainly just here for the salt.
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Post by Mazo on Nov 30, 2020 15:32:05 GMT -5
I am honestly so disgusted right now. I hate men so much in general right now but this puts it over the top, imagine having BTS, Shawn, and Justin debuting high with HORRIBLE songs. This is honestly the maddest I think I've ever been in terms of the charts. The fraudulent BTS fanbase is literally insane, like get a hobby, the GP is not touching your horrible autotuned messes. And don't think I'm forgetting the boring ass mess Shawn and Justin gave us, a tired ballad that's been done before with NO sex appeal at all. Eff the Billboard charts! Lol, the billboard charts have been dead and lost its credibility long time go yet you guys seem to care so much every week and act like your faves are immune to the trickery and deceit. Ariana, Justin, Gomez never had a #1 before streaming. Letβs be honest, streaming with its farms and frauds ruined any credibility Billboard had. I will not be clapping for BTS. They are more manufactured than Britney, *NSYNC and Backstreet Boys has ever been. Music is so disgusting now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 15:32:49 GMT -5
Congrats to BTS for yet another #1 and the Asian representation..... but the music is bad. And a number-one means nothing since I don't know anyone in real life that has heard of the new BTS album or this new song. I could barely remember the Savage Love remix until it was mentioned here.
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