Billboard Hot 100: 12/12/2020

[renfield75]

Dec 2, 2020 9:28:16 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Example. A song is #17, and thanks to christmas week or Drake album bomb 9 songs enter in top 15. The song gets pushed out of top 25, and goes super reccurent. Next week the event (holiday/album bomb) has passed and the song should be top 20 again, but it is not allowed to chart. - This needs to be changed.

I wish Billboard would be more consistent with these rules...remember last year when older songs like "Sucker", that had been pushed off during the Christmas bomb, were allowed to re-enter for a few weeks in January? By that logic "Circles" almost certainly should have re-entered after the Ariana bomb pushed it below #25. I guess they can argue that "Sucker" made gains following the end of the Christmas AC radio freeze but it was clearly not going to have any significant upward movement.

[gikem]

Dec 2, 2020 13:58:20 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Dec 2, 2020 9:28:16 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Example. A song is #17, and thanks to christmas week or Drake album bomb 9 songs enter in top 15. The song gets pushed out of top 25, and goes super reccurent. Next week the event (holiday/album bomb) has passed and the song should be top 20 again, but it is not allowed to chart. - This needs to be changed.

I wish Billboard would be more consistent with these rules...remember last year when older songs like "Sucker", that had been pushed off during the Christmas bomb, were allowed to re-enter for a few weeks in January? By that logic "Circles" almost certainly should have re-entered after the Ariana bomb pushed it below #25. I guess they can argue that "Sucker" made gains following the end of the Christmas AC radio freeze but it was clearly not going to have any significant upward movement.

This makes no sense because album bombs are all “current” songs that are replacing older hits that have been around for a long time and have already reached their commercial peaks. The Christmas songs re-entering is because they are older singles getting enough points to re-enter via recurrent rules, thus helping to knock long-lasting hits into recurrency, and when those all exit, it makes sense to replace them with non-holiday songs that should actually be in the top 50 (or top 25) and shouldn’t have gone recurrent because of other recurrent songs whose relevance is confined to a single month. And it’s not just AC hits either; hip-hop singles like Suge and Baby re-entered from recurrency last year too.

[kcdawg13]

Sunflower's continued success is insane, it's one of the top streamed tracks for the second year in a row, besting many hits that came after. It's routinely in the Spotify Top 50.

This was Post's first "off" year since White Iverson and he was still Top 10 for most streamed artists of the year, probably thanks to Sunflower and Circles still killing it years after release. His comeback is gonna be huge.

[After Minutes]

I think that if Post releases early enough he may very well get the #1 song this chart year because that song will probably spend it all in the top 10

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

I honestly love it when Christmas songs kill old hits. Sometimes it stings, like with “New Rules” & “Havana”, but it cleans the chart in preparation for the new year. I remember “sweet but psycho” flew from the 80s to the 30s the first post-XMas week, and that was super exciting.

It’s not spring cleaning, but winter cleaning. I was very disappointed to see the jobros return last year.

I’m more annoyed by how the holiday season distorts peaks. Ellie Goulding’s “Hate Me” w Juice WRLD would’ve been a Top 40 hit but peaked at like 56 because of Christmas. Miley’s “Prisoner” would’ve been in the Top 50 at around 45. It makes it hard to judge a song’s impact in the future because I don’t have the time to subtract Christmas songs from a different track’s total to find the “actual” peak

[gikem]

For the record, I think the main reason we didn't see as many songs re-enter the top 50 in 2018-19 as in 2019-20 was because there were massive album bombs from Meek Mill and 21 Savage in the weeks leading up to the chart reset back then, and had the Christmas songs not charted, many of 2018's old hits would be obliterated by those two events. In 2019, neither Roddy Ricch nor Harry Styles could quite do that, so a bunch of songs re-entered from recurrency.

[korbel16]

Post Malone may very well have peaked in his constant chart longevity idk we’ll see for his next release. He can’t be on top forever

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Dec 2, 2020 16:23:56 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

Post Malone may very well have peaked in his constant chart longevity idk we’ll see for his next release. He can’t be on top forever

That'll happen eventually, but definitely won't happen now. He's not releasing anything and is still huge. 

[notgoodenglish]

Hope Dakiti gets a new peak this week. A top 3 will be awesome <3.

[failstoner]

Dec 2, 2020 16:58:02 GMT -5 notgoodenglish said:

Hope Dakiti gets a new peak this week. A top 3 will be awesome <3.

I think it'll happen streaming is definitely there especially considering the album drop, sales are meh but radio is picking it up slowly 

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

I think as long as the new material still resonates with the public and shows artistic progression, Post Malone should be fine. The only thing I can see affecting his next album cycle is a potential AOTY win at the Grammys, due to the massive backlash that would get, but otherwise, he should be fine, and I can't wait to see what he has in store for his upcoming project!

[korbel16]

Dec 2, 2020 17:29:09 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I think as long as the new material still resonates with the public and shows artistic progression, Post Malone should be fine. The only thing I can see affecting his next album cycle is a potential AOTY win at the Grammys, due to the massive backlash that would get, but otherwise, he should be fine, and I can't wait to see what he has in store for his upcoming project!

are u talking about this years grammys ... because... he’s not winning.....

[renfield75]

Dec 2, 2020 14:09:12 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 2, 2020 13:58:20 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I wish Billboard would be more consistent with these rules...remember last year when older songs like "Sucker", that had been pushed off during the Christmas bomb, were allowed to re-enter for a few weeks in January? By that logic "Circles" almost certainly should have re-entered after the Ariana bomb pushed it below #25. I guess they can argue that "Sucker" made gains following the end of the Christmas AC radio freeze but it was clearly not going to have any significant upward movement.

This makes no sense because album bombs are all “current” songs that are replacing older hits that have been around for a long time and have already reached their commercial peaks. The Christmas songs re-entering is because they are older singles getting enough points to re-enter via recurrent rules, thus helping to knock long-lasting hits into recurrency, and when those all exit, it makes sense to replace them with non-holiday songs that should actually be in the top 50 (or top 25) and shouldn’t have gone recurrent because of other recurrent songs whose relevance is confined to a single month. And it’s not just AC hits either; hip-hop singles like Suge and Baby re-entered from recurrency last year too.

I don't know, it doesn't make a ton of sense then to remove songs that are still huge like Circles because of an album cut that is relevant for literally one week. Should older songs that are consistently strong in multiple metrics be removed permanently because of a dozen album cuts 90% of which will be gone the next week? I get it if that's Billboard's logic but the impact on the charts is the same either way.

And if the argument is that "Circles", etc shouldn't re-enter because they had "already reached their commercial peaks" then why let "Sucker" or "Suge" re-enter? They were loooooong past their peaks in January.

[Golden Bluebird]

Dec 2, 2020 18:39:55 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Dec 2, 2020 14:09:12 GMT -5 gikem said:

This makes no sense because album bombs are all “current” songs that are replacing older hits that have been around for a long time and have already reached their commercial peaks. The Christmas songs re-entering is because they are older singles getting enough points to re-enter via recurrent rules, thus helping to knock long-lasting hits into recurrency, and when those all exit, it makes sense to replace them with non-holiday songs that should actually be in the top 50 (or top 25) and shouldn’t have gone recurrent because of other recurrent songs whose relevance is confined to a single month. And it’s not just AC hits either; hip-hop singles like Suge and Baby re-entered from recurrency last year too.

I don't know, it doesn't make a ton of sense then to remove songs that are still huge like Circles because of an album cut that is relevant for literally one week. Should older songs that are consistently strong in multiple metrics be removed permanently because of a dozen album cuts 90% of which will be gone the next week? I get it if that's Billboard's logic but the impact on the charts is the same either way.

And if the argument is that "Circles", etc shouldn't re-enter because they had "already reached their commercial peaks" then why let "Sucker" or "Suge" re-enter? They were loooooong past their peaks in January.

I always assumed the reason those songs reentered is because of year-end rebounds in streaming and/or airplay. Is that not what happened?

[gikem]

Dec 2, 2020 20:28:18 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Dec 2, 2020 18:39:55 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I don't know, it doesn't make a ton of sense then to remove songs that are still huge like Circles because of an album cut that is relevant for literally one week. Should older songs that are consistently strong in multiple metrics be removed permanently because of a dozen album cuts 90% of which will be gone the next week? I get it if that's Billboard's logic but the impact on the charts is the same either way.

And if the argument is that "Circles", etc shouldn't re-enter because they had "already reached their commercial peaks" then why let "Sucker" or "Suge" re-enter? They were loooooong past their peaks in January.

I always assumed the reason those songs reentered is because of year-end rebounds in streaming and/or airplay. Is that not what happened?

It's a little bit of both. Songs that should have been in the top 50 instead of recurrent while the Christmas songs were charting return, and songs that are long past their dropouts and won't reach the top 50 again don't.

[firefox]

Speaking of 100 weeks...

You Say by Lauren Daigle is already on its 113th week at number-one on Hot Christian Songs and I think a Christmas song will took over its spot then returns to number-one again. I just hope a lot of Christmas songs overtake it then goes recurrent. I liked the song but it just overstayed. A lot of Christian songs doesn't get the spotlight. (Sorry if this post not Hot 100 related)

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WAP + A 10/10 Luke Combs song = Dicked Down In Dallas

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 2, 2020 21:36:17 GMT -5 firefox said:

Speaking of 100 weeks...

You Say by Lauren Daigle is already on its 113th week at number-one on Hot Christian Songs and I think a Christmas song will took over its spot then returns to number-one again. I just hope a lot of Christmas songs overtake it then goes recurrent. I liked the song but it just overstayed. A lot of Christian songs doesn't get the spotlight. (Sorry if this post not Hot 100 related)

christian music.... Hasn't moved on from 2018.... How

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Dec 2, 2020 17:29:09 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I think as long as the new material still resonates with the public and shows artistic progression, Post Malone should be fine. The only thing I can see affecting his next album cycle is a potential AOTY win at the Grammys, due to the massive backlash that would get, but otherwise, he should be fine, and I can't wait to see what he has in store for his upcoming project!

Is an album of the year win at the Grammys becoming Pop Music's Madden Curse?

[jthentic]

This track is a bop, gives Metrostation vibes (if they did evolve). Btw i don't understand why it wasn't dropped as single earlier + the surprise drop (that to tuesday & album's dropping on fri). If things were properly organised it would have marked as Yungblud's 1st hot100 hit going into the album.


Btw the song's probably abt Halsey 😅

[gikem]

Dec 2, 2020 21:46:46 GMT -5 @gabingston said:

Dec 2, 2020 17:29:09 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I think as long as the new material still resonates with the public and shows artistic progression, Post Malone should be fine. The only thing I can see affecting his next album cycle is a potential AOTY win at the Grammys, due to the massive backlash that would get, but otherwise, he should be fine, and I can't wait to see what he has in store for his upcoming project!

Is an album of the year win at the Grammys becoming Pop Music's Madden Curse?

I thought it was Best New Artist that was the cursed one, especially after Milli Vanilli?

[jenglisbe]

Dec 2, 2020 21:53:07 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 2, 2020 21:46:46 GMT -5 @gabingston said:

Is an album of the year win at the Grammys becoming Pop Music's Madden Curse?

I thought it was Best New Artist that was the cursed one, especially after Milli Vanilli?

Mariah Carey won Best New Artist the year after Milli Vanilli, but sure.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

where's the poster who said that Christmas music will have less influence because of COVID?

pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/7669970

oh...

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Dec 2, 2020 21:53:07 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 2, 2020 21:46:46 GMT -5 @gabingston said:

Is an album of the year win at the Grammys becoming Pop Music's Madden Curse?

I thought it was Best New Artist that was the cursed one, especially after Milli Vanilli?

I've heard that too, but I've got a quick list of ten past winners of Best New Artist who've gone on to have successful careers after the fact:

• Mariah Carey (1991)
• Toni Braxton (1994)
• Sheryl Crow (1995)
• Christina Aguilera (2000)
• Alicia Keys (2002)
• Maroon 5 (2005)
• John Legend (2006)
• Carrie Underwood (2007)
• Adele (2009)
• Sam Smith (2015)

Sure, there have been some duds (Marc Cohn in 1992, Shelby Lynne in 2001, Esperanza Spalding in 2011), but there have been a lot of success stories as well.

[gikem]

Dec 2, 2020 22:00:01 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 2, 2020 21:53:07 GMT -5 gikem said:

I thought it was Best New Artist that was the cursed one, especially after Milli Vanilli?

Mariah Carey won Best New Artist the year after Milli Vanilli, but sure.

There was also Adele, who won it before she became a real household name.

[kimberly]

Dec 2, 2020 22:00:24 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

omg it'll be close for "Santa Tell Me" this week but hopefully it can reenter this season! a modern classic 

[jenglisbe]

Dec 2, 2020 22:00:38 GMT -5 @gabingston said:

Dec 2, 2020 21:53:07 GMT -5 gikem said:

I thought it was Best New Artist that was the cursed one, especially after Milli Vanilli?

I've heard that too, but I've got a quick list of ten past winners of Best New Artist who've gone on to have successful careers after the fact:

• Mariah Carey (1991)
• Toni Braxton (1994)
• Sheryl Crow (1995)
• Christina Aguilera (2000)
• Alicia Keys (2002)
• Maroon 5 (2005)
• John Legend (2006)
• Carrie Underwood (2007)
• Adele (2009)
• Sam Smith (2015)

Sure, there have been some duds (Marc Cohn in 1992, Shelby Lynne in 2001, Esperanza Spalding in 2011), but there have been a lot of success stories as well.

Zac Brown Band as well. They have 13 #1s in country music and are a big touring act. They've won 2 more Grammys since the BNA win.

I'm also not sure Spalding has been a dud. She's done well in the jazz world, including winning 3 more Grammys since the BNA win.

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Dec 2, 2020 22:32:10 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 2, 2020 22:00:38 GMT -5 @gabingston said:

I've heard that too, but I've got a quick list of ten past winners of Best New Artist who've gone on to have successful careers after the fact:

• Mariah Carey (1991)
• Toni Braxton (1994)
• Sheryl Crow (1995)
• Christina Aguilera (2000)
• Alicia Keys (2002)
• Maroon 5 (2005)
• John Legend (2006)
• Carrie Underwood (2007)
• Adele (2009)
• Sam Smith (2015)

Sure, there have been some duds (Marc Cohn in 1992, Shelby Lynne in 2001, Esperanza Spalding in 2011), but there have been a lot of success stories as well.

Zac Brown Band as well. They have 13 #1s in country music and are a big touring act. They've won 2 more Grammys since the BNA win.

I'm also not sure Spalding has been a dud. She's done well in the jazz world, including winning 3 more Grammys since the BNA win.

I was thinking of putting an asterisk next to Spalding and saying that she's a Jazz artist who isn't trying to score Hot 100 hits, but I was too lazy.
I was also thinking of including Zac Brown Band, but I didn't have enough room.

[andrebra]

how is santa tell me that low compared to the other ones? it’s top 5 streaming among christmas songs on spotify and doing well on apple as well, alone with a decent-ish showing on itunes. does radio really have that much presence?

[kimberly]

Dec 2, 2020 23:21:57 GMT -5 andrebra said:

how is santa tell me that low compared to the other ones? it’s top 5 streaming among christmas songs on spotify and doing well on apple as well, alone with a decent-ish showing on itunes. does radio really have that much presence?

I believe so. radio is warming up to "Underneath the Tree" and "Santa Tell Me" (to a lesser extent) now but that's what's held them down for as long as they were.

Edit: Oh yeah Amazon Music too.