Billboard Hot 100: 12/19/2020

[Groovy]

I love how Morgan Wallen's performance on SNL last night boosted 7 Summers' sales.

[kalmanta]

So do we expect next year to be kinda normal again for Christmas songs, cause this is unbelievable! We are still 2 weeks away from Christmas, can you imagine the number of streams 12/24 and 12/25? Must be COVID related.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

We have three different versions of "Baby It's Cold Outside", the super obscure Ariana Grande cover of "Santa Baby", and yet no signs of Britney's "My Only Wish (This Year)" and Mariah Carey's latest "Oh Santa" remix with Ariana Grande. I'm frankly surprised they haven't charted on Spotify yet.

[nak]

Jesus Outsold

[lazer]

Off-topic but did Bad Guy last longer than Old Town Road? It seems that the song is played and remembered more throughout 2020 than the latter.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Dec 6, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -5 lazer said:

Off-topic but did Bad Guy last longer than Old Town Road? It seems that the song is played and remembered more throughout 2020 than the latter.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it did. "Old Town Road" charted a few weeks earlier than "bad guy", but "bad guy" took longer to leave the charts, if I recall correctly.

[Normi]

Sorry for the unrelated note but does anybody know a website where you can see archives for Rock/Alternative charts? Obviously asking for a friend

[lazer]

Dec 6, 2020 11:02:30 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Dec 6, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -5 lazer said:

Off-topic but did Bad Guy last longer than Old Town Road? It seems that the song is played and remembered more throughout 2020 than the latter.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it did. "Old Town Road" charted a few weeks earlier than "bad guy", but "bad guy" took longer to leave the charts, if I recall correctly.

Well yes it did, but I'm talking about in terms of impact and how people remember the song. It seems that it has a longer lasting impact than OTR, which feels of its time. I feel like bad guy will shape the decades music landscape.

[After Minutes]

Dec 6, 2020 11:31:26 GMT -5 lazer said:

Dec 6, 2020 11:02:30 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it did. "Old Town Road" charted a few weeks earlier than "bad guy", but "bad guy" took longer to leave the charts, if I recall correctly.

Well yes it did, but I'm talking about in terms of impact and how people remember the song. It seems that it has a longer lasting impact than OTR, which feels of its time. I feel like bad guy will shape the decades music landscape.

Those two will easily prove to be the most important and influential songs of last year. While I do think that ultimately Bad Buy will be the slightly more remembered one, OTR likely somewhat helped in pushing country onto streaming services and it popularized remixes. Billie is influencing music more as an artist, than as the vocalist on Bad Guy in my opinion, with her early EP work probably proving to have an even bigger influence on popular music than the songs on her album.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

The story of Old Town Road and bad guy will probably go down in chart legend - two teenage newcomers making two of the biggest hits of the 2010s, both with their own style that was unlike anything in mainstream at the moment, and blocking artists established artist like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran from the top spot. It was the first time in a long while the top spots were taken up by the biggest songs not only on streams, sales, and radio, but also on a cultural level - and one that showed a bright future for mainstream music (that was sadly crushed and destroyed in 2020 but 2021 looks promising!)

[lazer]

Dec 6, 2020 12:13:29 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

The story of Old Town Road and bad guy will probably go down in chart legend - two teenage newcomers making two of the biggest hits of the 2010s, both with their own style that was unlike anything in mainstream at the moment, and blocking artists established artist like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran from the top spot. It was the first time in a long while the top spots were taken up by the biggest songs not only on streams, sales, and radio, but also on a cultural level - and one that showed a bright future for mainstream music (that was sadly crushed and destroyed in 2020 but 2021 looks promising!)

Let's hope that 2021 will continue where 2019 left off.

[fridayteenage]

Holiday songs have 80% of Spotify T10, matching Xmas Eve 2019 (12/23/19 had just 30%).

Last year, even Mariah's classic the week before Xmas was just #10 (bouncing to #2 Xmas week). So we've gone from 1 week of explosive activity to 4 weeks.

[After Minutes]

The holiday songs are easily the most popular songs during this time of year. That isn't a question. I think that discluding them from the weekly charts wouldn't exactly make much sense, since that would be the exact opposite of allowing BTS to debut at #1 without many people outside of their fanbase actually listening to their music. What I do think would make a fair compromise however would be allowing the christmas songs to chart, without counting towards the year-end and decade-end lists. Because, while AIWFCIY is easily the most popular song of the season, did it really define last year? Songs that would chart without christmas music on the charts should have their points counted towards the year-end and decade-end lists as if they stayed on, and any song that would fall off due to the christmas songs pushing it out because of the longevity rules should also be allowed to stay on, would they still be on the charts if not for the christmas music.

[Push The Button]

Dec 6, 2020 10:30:11 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

We have three different versions of "Baby It's Cold Outside", the super obscure Ariana Grande cover of "Santa Baby", and yet no signs of Britney's "My Only Wish (This Year)" and Mariah Carey's latest "Oh Santa" remix with Ariana Grande. I'm frankly surprised they haven't charted on Spotify yet.

I thought the “Oh Santa” Remix was an Apple exclusive?

[gikem]

Dec 6, 2020 17:21:29 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

The holiday songs are easily the most popular songs during this time of year. That isn't a question. I think that discluding them from the weekly charts wouldn't exactly make much sense, since that would be the exact opposite of allowing BTS to debut at #1 without many people outside of their fanbase actually listening to their music. What I do think would make a fair compromise however would be allowing the christmas songs to chart, without counting towards the year-end and decade-end lists. Because, while AIWFCIY is easily the most popular song of the season, did it really define last year? Songs that would chart without christmas music on the charts should have their points counted towards the year-end and decade-end lists as if they stayed on, and any song that would fall off due to the christmas songs pushing it out because of the longevity rules should also be allowed to stay on, would they still be on the charts if not for the christmas music.

I can understand AIWFCIY making the 2020 YE purely on when the calendar dates fell, as 2019-20 was its 25th anniversary push. However, the idea that we could have multiple Christmas songs on the 2021 YE entirely due to a weak non-Christmas field bothers me.

[Gary]

On the Christmas songs to chart or not question:

Well for nearly 50 years 1963-2011, Christmas songs were excluded from the chart altogether unless it was released as a single and even then it could chart only in its first year.

I prefer the current method

[jodakyellow]

Dec 6, 2020 18:03:42 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 6, 2020 17:21:29 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

The holiday songs are easily the most popular songs during this time of year. That isn't a question. I think that discluding them from the weekly charts wouldn't exactly make much sense, since that would be the exact opposite of allowing BTS to debut at #1 without many people outside of their fanbase actually listening to their music. What I do think would make a fair compromise however would be allowing the christmas songs to chart, without counting towards the year-end and decade-end lists. Because, while AIWFCIY is easily the most popular song of the season, did it really define last year? Songs that would chart without christmas music on the charts should have their points counted towards the year-end and decade-end lists as if they stayed on, and any song that would fall off due to the christmas songs pushing it out because of the longevity rules should also be allowed to stay on, would they still be on the charts if not for the christmas music.

I can understand AIWFCIY making the 2020 YE purely on when the calendar dates fell, as 2019-20 was its 25th anniversary push. However, the idea that we could have multiple Christmas songs on the 2021 YE entirely due to a weak non-Christmas field bothers me.

Well then maybe the non-Christmas field should try to be less weak

[gikem]

Dec 6, 2020 18:10:43 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Dec 6, 2020 18:03:42 GMT -5 gikem said:

I can understand AIWFCIY making the 2020 YE purely on when the calendar dates fell, as 2019-20 was its 25th anniversary push. However, the idea that we could have multiple Christmas songs on the 2021 YE entirely due to a weak non-Christmas field bothers me.

Well then maybe the non-Christmas field should try to be less weak

How could they? It's not my fault that those songs aren't holding up against holiday music right now. I completely understand that people would prefer to listen to Christmas music instead, especially this year. I'm just in agreement with After Minutes that they aren't defining pieces of music for 2021 and thus shouldn't be on a Year-End list.

[sirskimask]

Dec 6, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -5 lazer said:

Off-topic but did Bad Guy last longer than Old Town Road? It seems that the song is played and remembered more throughout 2020 than the latter.

bad guy had 49 total weeks, OTR had 45, so yes 

[jodakyellow]

Dec 6, 2020 18:23:34 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 6, 2020 18:10:43 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Well then maybe the non-Christmas field should try to be less weak

How could they? It's not my fault that those songs aren't holding up against holiday music right now. I completely understand that people would prefer to listen to Christmas music instead, especially this year. I'm just in agreement with After Minutes that they aren't defining pieces of music for 2021 and thus shouldn't be on a Year-End list.

Maybe they're not, but who ever said that's what a Year-End list is even for?

And if people want to listen to Christmas music more than ever this year then imo it makes absolute perfect sense for that to be reflected on a year-end chart!

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

^ i don't think they should be there because they return to the Hot 100 every year. A year-end chart is supposed to be a snapshot of the biggest tracks of the year, and having recurring hits that aren't specific to a certain time period defeat the purpose imo. After all, when you think of AIWFCIY, do you think of 2020, or about christmas as a whole?

also i better not see anyone saying "none of these charts matter in the end anyway, calm down etc" on a CHART DISCUSSION page

[jenglisbe]

Dec 6, 2020 20:11:27 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

A year-end chart is supposed to be a snapshot of the biggest tracks of the year

Where is this codified?

And does this mean you don't think "Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac should be eligible for the year-end chart?

[gikem]

Dec 6, 2020 20:20:23 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 6, 2020 20:11:27 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

A year-end chart is supposed to be a snapshot of the biggest tracks of the year

Where is this codified?

And does this mean you don't think "Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac should be eligible for the year-end chart?

By that logic, Bohemian Rhapsody shouldn't have made the 1992 YE. But at least in that case, it saw a genuine revival thanks to Wayne's World and even saw a new peak. AIWFCIY and all the rest of the Christmas staples just come back for 5-6 weeks every year, which in the grand scheme of things isn't that long of a time, certainly not compared to the other songs that make the YE. Even most of the American Idol songs that made the YE spent more time on the charts than that.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

^ thank you :)

[jenglisbe]

Dec 6, 2020 20:33:49 GMT -5 gikem said:

Dec 6, 2020 20:20:23 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Where is this codified?

And does this mean you don't think "Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac should be eligible for the year-end chart?

By that logic, Bohemian Rhapsody shouldn't have made the 1992 YE. But at least in that case, it saw a genuine revival thanks to Wayne's World and even saw a new peak. AIWFCIY and all the rest of the Christmas staples just come back for 5-6 weeks every year, which in the grand scheme of things isn't that long of a time, certainly not compared to the other songs that make the YE. Even most of the American Idol songs that made the YE spent more time on the charts than that.

So should BTS' song not be eligible for the year-end chart if it falls off in 4-5 weeks?

[jayhawk1117]

If a Christmas song is the most popular song of the year... It should be on the year end chart no discussion imo.

If a song can become a top 100 song of the year with less than 8 weeks in the top 40, then they certainly deserve it.

It's not like billboard is pushing them up the charts or a small group of people fudging the charts. It's a vast majority of Americans 🤷🏾‍♂️

But if Christmas music is still as strong next Christmas (very unlikely imo), then I fully suspect billboard to implement some convoluted "solution" like "A song has to acquire at least 10 weeks on the charts to be eligible to make the year hot 100, unless they're still charting and under 10 weeks"

[Xander]

I really hope billboard will remove radio as one of the counted metrics. All these songs staying multiple weeks, because dj’s aren’t versatile. Very annoying

[lurker2]

Dec 6, 2020 21:49:53 GMT -5 Xander said:

I really hope billboard will remove radio as one of the counted metrics. All these songs staying multiple weeks, because dj’s aren’t versatile. Very annoying

That's our fault as the public, not DJs. If they weren't liked they wouldn't be played.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 6, 2020 21:48:51 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

But if Christmas music is still as strong next Christmas (very unlikely imo), then I fully suspect billboard to implement some convoluted "solution" like "A song has to acquire at least 10 weeks on the charts to be eligible to make the year hot 100, unless they're still charting and under 10 weeks"

They'd make a rule for the Hot 100 itself before they'd make any rule for the year-end chart. Have they ever made rules for the year-end Hot 100?

[jayhawk1117]

Dec 6, 2020 21:49:53 GMT -5 Xander said:

I really hope billboard will remove radio as one of the counted metrics. All these songs staying multiple weeks, because dj’s aren’t versatile. Very annoying

radio songs have call-out scores, if people ain't fucking with it, it'll have a low score so it's played less (usually)