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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 6, 2020 21:56:35 GMT -5
Push- just the soundtrack is exclusive to Apple in the first week; the single is on all pertinent streaming/digital platforms.
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Post by gikem on Dec 6, 2020 22:33:59 GMT -5
By that logic, Bohemian Rhapsody shouldn't have made the 1992 YE. But at least in that case, it saw a genuine revival thanks to Wayne's World and even saw a new peak. AIWFCIY and all the rest of the Christmas staples just come back for 5-6 weeks every year, which in the grand scheme of things isn't that long of a time, certainly not compared to the other songs that make the YE. Even most of the American Idol songs that made the YE spent more time on the charts than that. So should BTS' song not be eligible for the year-end chart if it falls off in 4-5 weeks? Most songs that have that kind of run aren't anywhere near the YE anyway (see TROLLZ). And from the looks of things, the ARMY is determined to keep Life Goes On around, at least for a little while. |
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Post by jodakyellow on Dec 7, 2020 0:01:56 GMT -5
also i better not see anyone saying "none of these charts matter in the end anyway, calm down etc" on a CHART DISCUSSION page Oh do people not like it when I say that lol iβm all for discussion and everyone having an opinion β but I swear sometimes people here act like Billboardβs policies are a violent personal injustice against them |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 7, 2020 1:56:26 GMT -5
I don't think there's any need to make short chart runs ineligible for the YE, when there is a substantial amount of chart points that are required to make the YE anyway. If a song like Hello can make 200k chart points in a single week, then it deserves a spot on the YE even if it's only on for a tiny amount of time. And if AIWFCIY can make a YE chart year after year with a month and a half on the chart, then it belongs there, at least until and unless someone says otherwise. It's very hard for a song to make a YE with a short chart run, and it requires such immense popularity in its few weeks on the chart that it would clearly have to have massive and widespread appeal.
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Dec 7, 2020 2:03:03 GMT -5
also i better not see anyone saying "none of these charts matter in the end anyway, calm down etc" on a CHART DISCUSSION page ]iβm all for discussion and everyone having an opinion β but I swear sometimes people here act like Billboardβs policies are a violent personal injustice against them Youβre 100% right to bring things into perspective for people that are super angry. I agree there! I just think that it can be frustrating when told year-end charts donβt matter during an argument on a chart forum. Like, if they donβt matter, then why are we even here? Why are any of us talking about it? A year-end chart is supposed to be a snapshot of the biggest tracks of the year Where is this codified? Also, if I may be a lil spicy - if a year end chart isnβt a rundown of the yearβs biggest songs, then what the fuck is it? |
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Post by Mazo on Dec 7, 2020 7:51:20 GMT -5
I really hope billboard will remove radio as one of the counted metrics. All these songs staying multiple weeks, because djβs arenβt versatile. Very annoying That's our fault as the public, not DJs. If they weren't liked they wouldn't be played. Oh please, people are not requesting songs on the radio like that anymore. At this point, radio is a robot that plays whatever is βpopularβ. however, I donβt think streaming should take precedenceβradio aint dead yet. A top 10 full of streaming songs would have no consistency. Fun to watch each week but annoying. |
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Post by Mazo on Dec 7, 2020 7:59:50 GMT -5
Shawn's had the "hot but sensitive" cute white pop boy niche on lock for years at this point, but Harry does the same thing while also making much better music. He probably would've fallen off soon enough regardless but Harry crowding him out definitely sped up the process. Honestly, I think Shawn Mendes trying so hard to deflect gay rumors has turned people off. For me, it feels like Ricky Martin-Barbara Walters are you gay interviewish. He and Camilla do not seem believable and then thereβs Harry Styles being all carefree and embracing those rumors. The relationship with Camilla is clearly alienating a lot of his fanbase, so is this fake butch persona. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 7, 2020 8:10:00 GMT -5
]iβm all for discussion and everyone having an opinion β but I swear sometimes people here act like Billboardβs policies are a violent personal injustice against them Youβre 100% right to bring things into perspective for people that are super angry. I agree there! I just think that it can be frustrating when told year-end charts donβt matter during an argument on a chart forum. Like, if they donβt matter, then why are we even here? Why are any of us talking about it? Also, if I may be a lil spicy - if a year end chart isnβt a rundown of the yearβs biggest songs, then what the f**k is it? I think the post is that year end charts are often used as a be-all end-all for comparing songs when weβve seen time and time again that they arenβt. A song charting below another or not making a year end chart isnβt necessarily a flop or a smaller hit just because. Looking at one year end chart to determine chart success is almost as bad looking at a single weekly chart. It lacks much-needed context. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 7, 2020 8:15:49 GMT -5
]iβm all for discussion and everyone having an opinion β but I swear sometimes people here act like Billboardβs policies are a violent personal injustice against them Youβre 100% right to bring things into perspective for people that are super angry. I agree there! I just think that it can be frustrating when told year-end charts donβt matter during an argument on a chart forum. Like, if they donβt matter, then why are we even here? Why are any of us talking about it? Also, if I may be a lil spicy - if a year end chart isnβt a rundown of the yearβs biggest songs, then what the f**k is it? It's a literal ranking of the songs by points accumulated while on the Hot 100. What you then extrapolate from that is your own business, but I think we can all think of instances where what was #1 on the year-end chart wasn't necessarily "the biggest song of the year," for instance. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 7, 2020 8:26:59 GMT -5
A top 10 full of streaming songs would have no consistency. Fun to watch each week but annoying. Huh? Yes album bombs can do this, but on the whole streaming is very consistent. Songs hang around for months and even years. |
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Post by tuna on Dec 7, 2020 8:30:24 GMT -5
also i better not see anyone saying "none of these charts matter in the end anyway, calm down etc" on a CHART DISCUSSION page Oh do people not like it when I say that lol iβm all for discussion and everyone having an opinion β but I swear sometimes people here act like Billboardβs policies are a violent personal injustice against them Disregarding whether they actually do matter or not, pulling the "well it's meaningless anyways" card is a really cheap tactic in ANY argument. It clearly was meaningful enough for you to sustain the argument up until this point lol |
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Post by Mazo on Dec 7, 2020 8:57:37 GMT -5
A top 10 full of streaming songs would have no consistency. Fun to watch each week but annoying. Huh? Yes album bombs can do this, but on the whole streaming is very consistent. Songs hang around for months and even years. How many number one debuts have we had this year? So many random top 10 that are gone by next week. I think it will make the hot 100 look even more silly than it does now. Thatβs my opinion. |
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Post by kingvavis on Dec 7, 2020 9:07:27 GMT -5
Huh? Yes album bombs can do this, but on the whole streaming is very consistent. Songs hang around for months and even years. How many number one debuts have we had this year? So many random top 10 that are gone by next week. I think it will make the hot 100 look even more silly than it does now. Thatβs my opinion.Β Most of the number one debuts this year have been because of sales, not streaming. |
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Post by edward on Dec 7, 2020 9:12:46 GMT -5
Huh? Yes album bombs can do this, but on the whole streaming is very consistent. Songs hang around for months and even years. How many number one debuts have we had this year? So many random top 10 that are gone by next week. I think it will make the hot 100 look even more silly than it does now. Thatβs my opinion.Β Stuck with u Franchise Dynamite Life Goes On TROLLZ and maybe Rain On Me and The Scotts These songs all debuted at no.1 this year, and you still think streaming is the problem here? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 7, 2020 9:39:58 GMT -5
Spotify Christmas Songs Update - 12/06/20:
1(=) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 1,393,655 (-102,229)
2(=) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 1,361,147 (-57,988)
3(=) Bobby Helm - Jingle Bell Rock 1,256,665 (-46,182)
4(=) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 1,196,410 (-42,581)
5(+1) Wham! - Last Christmas 1,127,785 (-70,637)
6(-1) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 1,126,367 (-78,071)
7(=) Michael BublΓ© - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 1,040,387 (-63,020)
9(=) Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 880,585 (-55,651)
14(+2) JosΓ© Feliciano - Feliz Navidad 772,493 (-18,311)
15(+4) Burl Ives - A Holly Holly Christmas 758,111 (-13,615)
16(-1) Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 756,971 (-39,722)
17(=) The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride 751,185 (-37,241)
18(=) Frank Sinatra - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 747,915 (-30,157)
20(+5) Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song 712,432 (-5,980)
21(+1) Justin Bieber - Mistletoe 692,921 (-40,354)
23(+1) Michael BublΓ© - Holly Jolly Christmas 680,377 (-38,307)
26(+7) Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime 623,258 (-19,728)
30(+6) Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas 603,686 (-20,280)
36(+6) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 539,151 (-8,526)
39(+5) Perry Como, The Fontane Sisters - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas 519,340 (-2,390)
40(+9) Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 507,769 (-868)
42(+9) Elvis Presley - Blue Christmas 494,355 (-1,908)
43(+12) Chuck Berry - Run Rudolph Run 482,475 (-6,857)
44(+10) The Jackson 5 - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town 479,433 (-11,213)
53(+10) John Lennon, Yoko Ono - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 442,340 (-3,740)
63(+15) Mykola Dmytrovych Leontovych, John Williams - Carol of the Bells 395,955 (+2,860)
64(+12) Dean Martin - Baby, It's Cold Outside 393,072 (-3,365)
69(+18) Bing Crosby - Do You Hear What I Hear? 377,797 (+3,580)
70(+16) Eartha Kitt, Henri Rene & His Orchestra - Santa Baby 377,302 (+3,068)
71(+14) Nat King Cole - Joy to the World 375,526 (-147)
73(+10) The Jackson 5 - I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus 372,409 (-6,580)
74(+20) Vince Guaraldi Trio - O Tannenbaum 371,235 (+9,109)
76(+15) Bing Crosby - Winter Wonderland 368,016 (+1,849)
85(-8) Brett Eldredge - Baby, It's Cold Outside 353,551 (-42,458)
86(+4) Mariah Carey - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 353,211 (-17,083)
89(+11) Donny Hathaway - This Christmas 345,958 (+698)
91(+14) Dean Martin - Silver Bells 343,681 (+4,642)
93(+16) Judy Garland - Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 337,169 (+4,140)
95(+17) Frank Sinatra - Mistletoe and Holly 328,263 (+1,674)
96(+83) Kylie Mingoque - Santa Baby 321,151 (+52,241)
101(+30) Louis Armstrong, The Commanders - Cool Yule 310,956 (+5,759)
103(+30) Gene Autry - Here Comes Santa Claus 305,599 (+1,378)
104(+22) The Beach Boys, Mark Linett, Sweet, Larry Walsh - Little Saint Nick 305,104 (-3,916)
122(+8) Chris Rea - Driving Home for Christmas 289,801 (-16,755)
123(+32) Carpenters - Sleigh Ride 289,206 (+4,299)
124(+12) Jonas Brothers - Like It's Christmas 288,727 (-12,725)
125(+31) Burl Ives - Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer 287,137 (+2,267)
128(+37) Vince Guaraldi Trio - Christmas is Here 280,658 (+4,358)
130(+31) Ariana Grande, Liz Gillies - Santa Baby 280,250 (-962)
135(+12) Idina Menzel - Baby It's Cold Outside 276,889 (-14,317)
138(+37) Thurl Ravenscroft - You're A Mean One, Mr. Grinch 275,093 (+3,290)
140(+9) *NSYNC - Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays 274,380 (-16,507)
146(+34) Bing Crosby, The Andrews Sisters - Mele Kalikimaka 269,068 (+695)
153(+19) Stevie Wonder - What Christmas Means To Me 259,928 (-12,959)
154(+19) Pentatonix - Amazing Grace (My Chains Are Gone) 259,871 (-12,666)
165(+28) Taylor Swift - Christmas Tree Farm 252,732 (-9,133)
168(+21) Sam Smith - Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 250,839 (-12,984)
192(debut) Bruce Springsteen - Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town 237,167
193(+4) Gwen Stefani - You Make It Feel Like Christmas 235,858 (-22,509)
198(debut) Frank Sinatra - The First Noel 232,125
Biggest Gains (50K+): Santa Baby [Kylie Minogue]
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 7, 2020 9:51:48 GMT -5
Shawn's had the "hot but sensitive" cute white pop boy niche on lock for years at this point, but Harry does the same thing while also making much better music. He probably would've fallen off soon enough regardless but Harry crowding him out definitely sped up the process. Honestly, I think Shawn Mendes trying so hard to deflect gay rumors has turned people off. For me, it feels like Ricky Martin-Barbara Walters are you gay interviewish. He and Camilla do not seem believable and then thereβs Harry Styles being all carefree and embracing those rumors. The relationship with Camilla is clearly alienating a lot of his fanbase, so is this fake butch persona. Wow, this is ignorant on a number of levels. First off, Harry Styles has been very open about the fluidity of his gender and sexuality. It's not all a "carefree attitude" and he's made it very clear in several interviews that him dressing or acting effeminate is not down simply out of grabbing attention (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/dec/14/harry-styles-sexual-ambiguity-dating-normals-rocking-a-dress) Secondly, can we please stop this with saying straight celebrities are "acting so hard to deflect being gay". As an open pan person, I think this is very insensitive towards Shawn. His preferences are his own personal business: he's not the only straight celebrity that's been made uncomfortable by these pokes and constantly prodding it like this is not being respectful at all. It's just as bad as saying a person is in a phase if they come out to you as gay. If later down the line, he comes out as gay or bi or pan, then that was their own prerogative and we shouldn't be all high and mighty. Sexuality and gender are very complicated, private concerns: please don't go speculating publicly because it may lead to more insecurity and fear towards that person. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Dec 7, 2020 9:56:53 GMT -5
Kylie Minogue in the top 100! I'll take it, even if it's only because of Christmas playlists! She remains criminally underrated in the states.
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Post by otaviohmg on Dec 7, 2020 10:08:40 GMT -5
Wow, this is ignorant on a number of levels. First off, Harry Styles has been very open about the fluidity of his gender and sexuality. It's not all a carefree attitude and he's made it very clear in several interviews that him dressing or acting effeminate is not down simply out of attention grabbing (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/dec/14/harry-styles-sexual-ambiguity-dating-normals-rocking-a-dress) Secondly, can we please stop this with saying straight celebrities are "acting so hard to deflect being gay". As an open pan person, I think this is very insensitive towards Shawn. His preferences are his own personal business: he's not the only straight celebrity that's been made uncomfortable by these pokes and constantly prodding it like this is not being respectful at all. It's just as bad as saying a person is in a phase if they come out to you as gay. If later down the line, he comes out as gay or bi or pan, then that was their own prerogative and we shouldn't be all high and mighty. Sexuality and gender are very complicated, private concerns: please don't go speculating publicly because it may lead to more insecurity towards that person. is begging to be banned in this forum. you said many things insensitive in different threads and is getting more disgusting day by day |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 7, 2020 10:30:27 GMT -5
drem- the "Oh Santa!" trio version has been just under the top 200 globally the past couple of days. Not sure about the third day, as the track's third-day numbers haven't been updated yet. It's faring better than Mimi's recent non-holiday new releases.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 7, 2020 10:40:55 GMT -5
US Spotify - 12/06/2020
1(=) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 1,393,655 (-102,229)
2(=) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 1,361,147 (-57,988)
3(=) Bobby Helm - Jingle Bell Rock 1,256,665 (-46,182)
4(=) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 1,196,410 (-42,581)
5(+1) Wham! - Last Christmas 1,127,785 (-70,637)
6(-1) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 1,126,367 (-78,071)
7(=) Michael BublΓ© - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 1,040,387 (-63,020)
8(=) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DΓKITI 937,359 (-137,499)
9(=) Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 880,585 (-55,651)
10(+1) Ariana Grande - positions 819,880 (-89,776)
Top 10 Without the Christmas Songs:
1 Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DΓKITI 937,359
2 Ariana Grande - positions 819,880
3 Internet Money - Lemonade 819,854
4 24kGoldn - Mood 809,122
5 Ariana Grande - 34+35 804,358
6 Megan Thee Stallion - Body 736,967
7 Cardi B - WAP 686,234
8 Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 653,098
9 Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 624,921
10 Pop Smoke - For the Night 622,515
Other:
11(-1) Internet Money - Lemonade 819,854 (-111,315)
12(=) 24kGoldn - Mood 809,122 (-98,879)
13(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 804,358 (-78,815)
19(-5) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 736,967 (-97,439)
24(-1) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 653,098 (-72,235)
25(+4) Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 624,921 (-67,313)
28(=) CJ - Whoopty 618,860 (-79,090)
29(-3) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 617,165 (-95,120)
31(-1) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later 603,465 (-83,117)
32(+2) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 573,549 (-56,328)
33(+6) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 572,061 (-9,133)
34(-3) Shawn Mendes - Monster 556,933 (-117,672)
38(-6) Juice WRLD - Real Sh*t 117672 (-141,568)
45(+2) Ariana Grande - pov 474,727 (-42,701)
46(-5) Bad Bunny, ROSALΓA - LA NOCHE DE ANOCHE 474,703 (-81,416)
47(-10) Lil Baby - Errbody 472,726 (-143,884)
52(-6) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 447,971 (-69,867)
55(-10) Shawn Mendes - Wonder 429,091 (-89,439)
58(+2) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 420,524 (-39,639)
60(-3) Dua Lipa - Levitating 412,096 (-54,870)
62(-3) Miley Cyrus - Prisoner 406,861 (-55,132)
65(-1) DaBaby - PRACTICE 391,277 (-53,663)
66(+5) Tate McRae - you broke me first 384,542 (-26,692)
67(+3) Justin Bieber - Lonely 378,447 (-38,243)
77(-10) Bad Bunny - TE MUDASTE 364,842 (-62,403)
78(-6) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 363,795 (-39,960)
80(-15) Lil Baby - On Me 359,845 (-74,281)
81(-8) Justin Bieber - Holy 354,689 (-48,654)
82(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 354,302 (-35,869)
88(-14) 21 Savage - Mr. Right Now 349,725 (-50,837)
90(+2) Clairo - Sofia 345,792 (-18,972)
99(=) King Von - Took Her to the O 315,306 (-32,603)
105(-8) DDG - Moonwalking in Calabasas 303,985 (-48,763)
107(+4) Ashnikko - Daisy 302,120 (-25,242)
110(-4) Pop Smoke - Hello 299,304 (-39,043)
119(-23) Trey Lewis - Dicked Down in Dallas 293,089 (-64,258)
127(+18) CORPSE, Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 283,334 (-8,075)
134(+17) Liam Payne - Naughty List 277,382 (-10,116)
137(+22) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 275,314 (-6,703)
148(+21) Ricky Montgomery - Line Without a Hook 267,784 (-5,933)
159(-1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 256,843 (-25,807)
160(+28) James Arthur - Train Wreck 256,108 (-8,022)
167(-14) KAROL G - BICHOTA 251,529 (-34,676)
184(debut) Dan + Shay - Take Me Home For Christma 240,161
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Post by gabe on Dec 7, 2020 10:50:32 GMT -5
96( +83) Kylie Mingoque - Santa Baby 321,151 ( +52,241) I love Kylie Mingoque and her album Disquo! |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Dec 7, 2020 10:59:37 GMT -5
Well at least Last Christmas will finally crack the top 10. Hoping for Ariana and Kelly but I'm expecting an 11 and 12 peak
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Post by After Minutes on Dec 7, 2020 11:26:21 GMT -5
I could see there being maybe even 7-8 Christmas songs in the top 10
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Post by Push The Button on Dec 7, 2020 11:26:38 GMT -5
Brenda may overtake Mariah on Spotify today.
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Post by jamatthews83 on Dec 7, 2020 11:30:47 GMT -5
Doubt it, the gap tends to fluctuate a bit. It will probably get wider again.
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Post by whales10268 on Dec 7, 2020 11:36:43 GMT -5
Could the top 10 be all Christmas songs for a week?
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Post by walt91 on Dec 7, 2020 12:47:11 GMT -5
even if it's just with a christmas song it's such a pleasant surprise to see Kylie Minogue on the spotify charts! stream Love At First Sight π
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Post by gikem on Dec 7, 2020 13:04:35 GMT -5
In other news, Kid Cudi is set to release Man On The Moon 3 on Friday. Not sure what the chances of an album bomb from this are like, but it could happen.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Dec 7, 2020 13:26:09 GMT -5
In other news, Kid Cudi is set to release Man On The Moon 3 on Friday. Not sure what the chances of an album bomb from this are like, but it could happen. Oh itβs gonna be an album bomb |
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Post by Groovy on Dec 7, 2020 14:41:33 GMT -5
I Hope has been pulled from pop radio.
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