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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 0:29:27 GMT -5
I would also say that Girls Like You was also one of the last post-album singles to be huge even though it got big off a remix. It was Maroon 5's 5th single from their 2017 album. I completely forgot about that, thanks. Of course, in that case, it was because of the remix with Cardi, which is one of the more traditional ways of releasing late-album singles. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Don't Wanna Know and Cold were actually considered bonus tracks on Red Pill Blues. What Lovers Do was the true lead single for that album, which would technically make GLY the third single. What about Better Now by Post Malone?
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Post by gikem on Jan 8, 2021 0:39:18 GMT -5
I completely forgot about that, thanks. Of course, in that case, it was because of the remix with Cardi, which is one of the more traditional ways of releasing late-album singles. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Don't Wanna Know and Cold were actually considered bonus tracks on Red Pill Blues. What Lovers Do was the true lead single for that album, which would technically make GLY the third single. What about Better Now by Post Malone? That counts, too, although to be fair, it’s easy to forget that Candy Paint was a thing because of how poorly it was promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 0:46:00 GMT -5
What about Better Now by Post Malone? That counts, too, although to be fair, it’s easy to forget that Candy Paint was a thing because of how poorly it was promoted. Well I think it was the fifth, so we can forget CP and it is still the fourth and counts. :)
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 8, 2021 1:15:49 GMT -5
US Spotify - 01/06/21
1(=) SZA - Good Days 1,033,779 (+39,128) 2(=) Justin Bieber - Anyone 841,940 (-98,061) 3(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 797,616 (-40,592) 4(+1) Internet Money - Lemonade 758,144 (-16,787) 5(-1) 24kGoldn - Mood 756,214 (-23,934) 6(=) Ariana Grande - positions 707,934 (-31,968) 7(=) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 701,991 (-32,206) 8(=) CJ - Whoopty 701,202 (-27,264) 9(=) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 694,497 (-31,248) 10(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 601,310 (-38,592)
Others: 13(-2) Taylor Swift - willow 568,141 (-56,370) 14(+1) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 561,849 (-18,803) 15(-2) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 554,348 (-30,366) 17(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 542,261 (-19,851) 19(=) Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 523,538 (-30,687) 24(-1) Jack Harlow - Way Out 444,851 (-32,960) 25(-1) Shawn Mendes - Monster 431,465 (-30,451) 26(+1) Juice WRLD, The Kid LAROI - Reminds Me Of You 430,209 (-14,132) 28(-2) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 427,789 (-20,824) 30(+2) Tate McRae - you broke me first 417,427 (-8,583) 32(-1) Pop Smoke - Hello 411,647 (-16,941) 33(-3) Morgan Wallen - Somebody's Problem 408,421 (-21,127) 35(=) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 407,217 (-13,803) 36(=) Ariana Grande - pov 406,003 (-14,063) 37(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 405,600 (-6,171) 38(+1) Megan Thee Stallion - Cry Baby 404,313 (-2,295) 39(-11) Taylor Swift - champagne problems 400,946 (-37,154) 41(-3) Justin Bieber - Lonely 395,521 (-13,506) 43(=) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 385,301 (-12,504) 44(-4) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 383,115 (-22,322) 45(=) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 382,562 (-11,755) 46(=) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 377,568 (-11,864) 50(=) Kid Cudi - Tequila Shots 358,398 (-14,092) 54(+1) Lil Baby - On Me 347,231 (-8,319) 56(-3) AJR - Bang! 342,206 (-14,247) 57(+4) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 336,844 (-568) 59(+6) Justin Bieber - Holy 333,853 (+4,284) 61(-4) Miley Cyrus - Prisoner 332,623 (-18,621) 64(+4) Lil Durk - Still Trappin' 323,996 (-177) 65(-3) Brent Faiyaz - Dead Man Walking 323,412 (-8,997) 67(=) Mother Mother - Hayloft 320,329 (-6,570) 72(+3) DDG - Moonwalking in Calabasas Remix 309,579 (-1,974) 76(+1) DaBaby - PRACTICE 306,350 (-4,179) 80(+1) Ashnikko - Daisy 290,425 (-5,265) 83(+5) CORPSE, Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 286,625 (+837) 92(+11) SZA, The Neptunes, Pharrell Williams, Ty Dolla $ign - Hit Different 275,665 (+5,963) 93(-3) Popp Hunna, Lil Uzi Vert - Adderall (Corvette Corvette) Remix 275,447 (-7,668) 96(+2) James Arthur - Train Wreck 272,528 (-667)
102(+2) KAROL G - BICHOTA 268,802 (+10,831) 110(+2) Arctic Monkeys - Why'd You Only Call Me When You're High? 256,992 (-1,900) 111(-9) Harry Styles - Golden 256,048 (-13,723) 113(+2) King Von - Took Her to the O 255,440 (-1,956) 123(-23) Morgan Wallen - Still Goin' Down 246,953 (-25,154) 131(-8) HVME - Goosebumps 238,857 (-12,737) 135(-2) Ricky Montgomery - Line Without A Line 238,007 (-5,437) 143(-27) Morgan Wallen - Livin' the Dream 232,594 (-23,214) 153(+6) Ricky Montgomery - Mr Loverman 225,243 (-1,689) 161(re-entry) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 219,557
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Post by degen on Jan 8, 2021 3:37:33 GMT -5
I would also say that Girls Like You was also one of the last post-album singles to be huge even though it got big off a remix. It was Maroon 5's 5th single from their 2017 album. I completely forgot about that, thanks. Of course, in that case, it was because of the remix with Cardi, which is one of the more traditional ways of releasing late-album singles. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Don't Wanna Know and Cold were actually considered bonus tracks on Red Pill Blues. What Lovers Do was the true lead single for that album, which would technically make GLY the third single. I will argue that Cardi’s inclusion on the single had nothing to do with its success. It was because of the music video. But you can fight me if you disagree. Maroon 5 had hits consistently every year in the 2010s, y’all act like Cardi came in and saved them.
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Post by iggyamo on Jan 8, 2021 5:00:33 GMT -5
I completely forgot about that, thanks. Of course, in that case, it was because of the remix with Cardi, which is one of the more traditional ways of releasing late-album singles. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Don't Wanna Know and Cold were actually considered bonus tracks on Red Pill Blues. What Lovers Do was the true lead single for that album, which would technically make GLY the third single. I will argue that Cardi’s inclusion on the single had nothing to do with its success. It was because of the music video. But you can fight me if you disagree. Maroon 5 had hits consistently every year in the 2010s, y’all act like Cardi came in and saved them. At the very least she didn’t add anything to the song, but who could?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 8, 2021 5:03:46 GMT -5
I completely forgot about that, thanks. Of course, in that case, it was because of the remix with Cardi, which is one of the more traditional ways of releasing late-album singles. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Don't Wanna Know and Cold were actually considered bonus tracks on Red Pill Blues. What Lovers Do was the true lead single for that album, which would technically make GLY the third single. I will argue that Cardi’s inclusion on the single had nothing to do with its success. It was because of the music video. But you can fight me if you disagree. Maroon 5 had hits consistently every year in the 2010s, y’all act like Cardi came in and saved them. Saying she had NOTHING to do with it's success is a huge stretch and you know it. Maroon 5 have a long and storied history of featuring the hottest black artists on their songs at different points in time (Wiz Khalifa on Payphone, Kendrick Lamar on Don't Wanna Know, Future on Cold, SZA on What Lovers Do and Cardi B on Girls Like You). Not saying they NEEDED them for those songs to be hits because Maroon 5 have tons of solo hits, but they're not stupid. They know why they decided to work with those artists when they chose to work with them (when they were having a great year commercially). 2018 was Cardi B's hottest year as an artist and that just so happened to be when Maroon 5 saw it fit to feature her on one of their songs. She contributed a lot to the success of that song and saying she didn't is being disingenuous.
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Post by shayonce on Jan 8, 2021 7:34:23 GMT -5
Girls Like You never cracked Spotify top 200 even during album week.
6/01 #13 (NEW) Girls Like You (feat. Cardi B) by Maroon 5 787,983
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 8, 2021 8:26:34 GMT -5
US Spotify - 01/07/21
1(=) SZA - Good Days 1,053,103 (+19,324) 2(=) Justin Bieber - Anyone 810,382 (-31,558) 3(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 784,118 (-13,498) 4(+1) 24kGoldn - Mood 759,498 (+3,284) 5(-1) Internet Money - Lemonade 758,329 (+185) 6(=) Ariana Grande - positions 702,928 (-5,006) 7(+2) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 700,762 (+6,265) 8(=) CJ - Whoopty 693,464 (-7,738) 9(-2) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 688,739 (-13,252) 10(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 599,775 (-1,535)
Others: 13(=) Taylor Swift - willow 591,871 (+23,730) 14(+1) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 549,245 (-5,103) 15(-1) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 547,748 (-14,101) 17(=) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 534,002 (-8,259) 19(=) Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 525,670 (+2,132) 24(=) Jack Harlow - Way Out 441,079 (-3,772) 25(+1) Juice WRLD, The Kid LAROI - Reminds Me Of You 434,255 (+4,046) 27(+1) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 425,117 (-2,672) 28(-3) Shawn Mendes - Monster 422,752 (-8,713) 29(+10) Taylor Swift - champagne problems 419,987 (+19,041) 31(-1) Tate McRae - you broke me first 414,360 (-3,067) 33(=) Morgan Wallen - Somebody's Problem 409,560 (+1,139) 35(-3) Pop Smoke - Hello 406,233 (-5,414) 36(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Cry Baby 404,396 (+83) 37(-2) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 403,636 (-3,581) 38(-1) Luke Combs - Forever After All 403,330 (-2,270) 40(-4) Ariana Grande - pov 400,375 (-5,628) 41(=) Justin Bieber - Lonely 391,945 (-3,576) 43(=) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 384,231 (-1,070) 44(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 383,260 (+145) 47(-2) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 368,998 (-13,564) 49(+1) Kid Cudi - Tequila Shots 358,085 (-313) 50(-4) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 355,067 (-22,501) 53(+1) Lil Baby - On Me 347,500 (+269) 54(+2) AJR - Bang! 343,802 (+1,596) 57(=) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 338,340 (+1,496) 58(+6) Lil Durk - Still Trappin' 333,215 (+9,219) 61(+6) Mother Mother - Hayloft 327,062 (+6,733) 62(-1) Miley Cyrus - Prisoner 326,993 (-5,630) 65(-6) Justin Bieber - Holy 324,470 (-9,383) 68(+93) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 320,000 (+100,443) 69(-4) Brent Faiyaz - Dead Man Walking 318,520 (-4,892) 73(-1) DDG - Moonwalking in Calabasas Remix 309,948 (+369) 75(+1) DaBaby - PRACTICE 306,372 (+22) 84(-1) CORPSE, Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 287,220 (+595) 85(-5) Ashnikko - Daisy 287,110 (-3,315) 93(-1) SZA, The Neptunes, Pharrell Williams, Ty Dolla $ign - Hit Different 279,458 (+3,793) 95(-2) Popp Hunna, Lil Uzi Vert - Adderall (Corvette Corvette) Remix 274,029 (-1,418) 99(-3) James Arthur - Train Wreck 269,905 (-2,623)
104(-2) KAROL G - BICHOTA 263,149 (+551) 108(+5) King Von - Took Her to the O 258,640 (+3,200) 112(-2) Arctic Monkeys - Why'd You Only Call Me When You're High? 254,757 (-2,235) 115(-4) Harry Styles - Golden 250,089 (-5,959) 128(-5) Morgan Wallen - Still Goin' Down 244,721 (-2,232) 130(+1) HVME - Goosebumps 243,302 (+4,445) 131(+4) Ricky Montgomery - Line Without A Line 240,013 (+2,006) 146(-3) Morgan Wallen - Livin' the Dream 230,686 (-1,908) 154(-1) Ricky Montgomery - Mr Loverman 224,651 (-592)
Biggest Gains (50K+): Save Your Tears
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 8, 2021 8:32:13 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 8, 2021 8:40:37 GMT -5
US Spotify - Week 01/07/21
1(+9) SZA - Good Days 6,323,585 2(debut) Justin Bieber - Anyone 6,149,984 3(-1) Ariana Grande - 34+35 5,606,876 4(=) 24kGoldn - Mood 5,583,614 5(=) Internet Money - Lemonade 5,368,252 6(=) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - DÁKITI 5,161,927 7(+2) Ariana Grande - positions 5,102,841 8(+5) CJ - Whoopty 4,877,062 9(+2) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 4,777,818 10(+9) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 4,440,447
11(+20) Dua Lipa - Levitating 4,422,483 14(=) Taylor Swift - willow 4,063,837 15(+5) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 3,951,385 16(+9) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 3,894,603 17(+5) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 3,880,068 24(+20) Jack Harlow - Way Out 3,120,455 28(+13) Juice WRLD, The Kid LAROI - Remind Me Of You 2,957,522 32(+32) Pop Smoke - Hello 2,858,702 43(+43) Megan Thee Stallion - Cry Baby 2,660,651 48(+42) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 2,591,076 49(+30) Morgan Wallen - Somebody's Problem 2,587,814 50(+7) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 2,543,629 54(+44) Lil Baby - On Me 2,386,181 56(+49) AJR - Bang! 2,373,261 64(+49) Mother Mother - Hayloft 2,217,223 66(+19) Lil Durk - Still Trappin' 2,184,191 71(+53) Brent Faiyaz - Dead Man Walking 2,144,261 116(re-entry) SZA, The Neptunes, Pharrell Williams, Ty Dolla $ign - Hit Different 1,737,646 125(debut) Arctic Monkeys - Why'd You Only Call Me When You're High? 1,694,362
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Post by Mayman on Jan 8, 2021 8:58:50 GMT -5
That counts, too, although to be fair, it’s easy to forget that Candy Paint was a thing because of how poorly it was promoted. Well I think it was the fifth, so we can forget CP and it is still the fourth and counts. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Wasn't Better Now the third radio single? That and Ball For Me had a dual release, but BN was the main single.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 8, 2021 9:01:13 GMT -5
How do we know it's more popular? We were letting our tapes rock til our tapes popped in the 80s and 90s, it's just no one was measuring that consumption. The consumption was counted when you purchased it. Streams earn individual revenue for every single listen, which is why its on a per-listen/stream basis. You putting something into a cassette player after buying it, does not earn additional revenue for any parties. You buying the cassette was the main revenue. And due to the internet individual songs are definitely almost undoubtedly bigger than ever in consumption. You can listen to something unlimited times practically anywhere, songs can be bought unlimited times (not a limited stock i.e. physical singles), and can be easily obtained after years and decades. I don't think you'd be able to listen to music while on a 2 hour jog in 1968, nor be able to find/buy a song that peaked at #82 five years prior. The digital era has definitely made songs more consumed and available than ever, nonetheless to a wider population than decades ago. By the same token in the 1940s TVs didn't exist, but record players and pianos did. "White Christmas" is the best-selling song of all-time because so many people bought the record and the sheet music.
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Post by dovahduck on Jan 8, 2021 9:03:46 GMT -5
Well I think it was the fifth, so we can forget CP and it is still the fourth and counts. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Wasn't Better Now the third radio single? That and Ball For Me had a dual release, but BN was the main single. Yeah "Ball for Me" originally got pushed after the album came out, with it being sent to urban and rhytmic and getting a music video filmed. However the success of "Better Now" on streaming, led to them sending it to most formats and really pulling support for "Ball for Me", which is part of the reason why we didn't get the music video for it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 8, 2021 9:04:26 GMT -5
I think the fundamental problem is that you just can't compare sales and streaming in terms of listeners. Yes, some people who buy a song or album might only listen a few times or they might listen hundreds of times over a year or decade or whatever, but by that same token plenty of people listen to songs on streaming they would have never purchased. Furthermore streaming is more like radio for some people where they just put a playlist on or let an album finish and then a bunch of songs they didn't actually choose to listen to get played, usually the same big hits that might get played on radio or payola'd on playlists. There are just too many problems with comparing sales and streams in terms of listeners, but you can compare them in terms of revenue. I think what some people want is to have the same number of albums being certified at a certain level in the streaming era that were certified in the sales era. I kind of get this, but lots of albums are lasting way longer because of streaming than they ever would have during the sales era, so we also have to ask ourselves where those albums and singles streams will be decades from now. Here's the thing, the RIAA (and Billboard/Soundscan for that matter with SPS) is making them equitable because the certifications and sales stats are the same as they have always been. To that end, of course people want the levels to be around the same. To me a better system would have been to just have a new/separate one for streaming. But if the RIAA is going to still use Gold and Platinum certs they used in the 80s and 90s for SPS singles, then of course people are going to compare. But as we've been discussing, there is no actual comparison because what is being measured is so different.
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Post by Mayman on Jan 8, 2021 9:06:33 GMT -5
We could also be looking at a successful fourth single with Save Your Tears, over a year after the album era started. Pretty impressive imo.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 8, 2021 9:09:48 GMT -5
I think the fundamental problem is that you just can't compare sales and streaming in terms of listeners. Yes, some people who buy a song or album might only listen a few times or they might listen hundreds of times over a year or decade or whatever, but by that same token plenty of people listen to songs on streaming they would have never purchased. Furthermore streaming is more like radio for some people where they just put a playlist on or let an album finish and then a bunch of songs they didn't actually choose to listen to get played, usually the same big hits that might get played on radio or payola'd on playlists. There are just too many problems with comparing sales and streams in terms of listeners, but you can compare them in terms of revenue. I think what some people want is to have the same number of albums being certified at a certain level in the streaming era that were certified in the sales era. I kind of get this, but lots of albums are lasting way longer because of streaming than they ever would have during the sales era, so we also have to ask ourselves where those albums and singles streams will be decades from now. Not to play devils advocate but there is just as much proof that streaming has caused album eras to be cut short. An era like “Thank You, Next” would’ve probably lasted almost as long as “Teenage Dream” in 2010. Maybe not that long, but you get what I mean. For big artists, streaming has made it hard for albums to go 4, 5, 6 singles deep. Thus, their albums aren’t making the same impact that albums in the 80s, 90s, 00s due to rapid consumption in the streaming era. And yet in terms of the charts albums are lasting longer than ever, so your argument is sort of a moot point. The current eras sometimes only run a few singles deep, but those singles (and the album itself) are charting high for ever. If you take out the three holiday albums in the top 20 and go down to #23, there are 4 albums in the current top 20 that are over a year old. The Weeknd is next up with an album approaching a year old, and of course one of its singles is still top 10 a year after release. Juice WRLD and Billie Eilish are top 30 like two years after release. Those albums certainly haven't been cut short in terms of their chart run.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 8, 2021 9:55:04 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/01/08
1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 136.16(+1.24) 2(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 125.69(+1.31) 3(=) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 115.71(+0.79) 4(=) Ariana Grande - positions 113.93(+1.52) 5(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 98.24(-0.01) 6(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 95.40(+0.40) 7(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 93.15(-0.14) 8(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 89.53(-1.40) 9(=) AJR - Bang! 80.21(+0.41) 10(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 74.34(+1.27)
11(=) Justin Bieber & benny blanco - Lonely 67.50(+1.41) 12(=) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 65.91(+1.53)
21(=) Lady A - Champagne Night (From Songland) 50.31(+1.17) 22(=) Jhené Aiko - B.S. (feat. H.E.R.) 49.96(+0.84)
23(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 47.36(+2.10)
28(=) Luke Combs - Better Together 43.15(+0.75)
34(+2) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 39.53(+1.16)
42(=) Taylor Swift - willow 36.08(+0.99) 75(+5) H.e.r. - Damage 22.16(+0.73)
94(+17) Justin Bieber - Anyone 18.55(+3.23)
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 8, 2021 10:01:10 GMT -5
I really wasn't expecting Lady A's "Champagne Night" to perform as well as it's doing.
No complaints from my part, I always liked the group and the song is a pleasant earworm.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 8, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -5
I really wasn't expecting Lady A's "Champagne Night" to perform as well as it's doing. No complaints from my part, I always liked the group and the song is a pleasant earworm. It's essentially just doing well on country radio, no? As in, its streaming and sales aren't all that solid. County radio is almost irrelevant with how many shenanigans go on there.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 8, 2021 10:24:21 GMT -5
jenglisbe Admittedly, I only took into account its numbers on the Radio Estimates data posted above (where it's at #21). I was just surprised to see a Lady A song having a fairly consistent performance so far, given how their previous tracks underperformed.
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Post by cedric on Jan 8, 2021 11:40:33 GMT -5
I really wasn't expecting Lady A's "Champagne Night" to perform as well as it's doing. No complaints from my part, I always liked the group and the song is a pleasant earworm. It's essentially just doing well on country radio, no? As in, its streaming and sales aren't all that solid. County radio is almost irrelevant with how many shenanigans go on there. It’s #72 on the building Rolling Stone chart this week which doesn’t count radio, so I think it’s still got relatively decent streaming
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 8, 2021 11:48:17 GMT -5
I’m in the same boat as @dey when it comes to combining tracking of sales and streaming, and I think that’s a lot of where so much disagreement comes from because of how Billboard compares the two when factoring much both they’re worth. For me, my most played songs of the last decade are nearing 200 plays - that’s barely nothing compared to some people who I’m sure have songs in the thousands of plays.
Before streaming, one album purchased = one album regardless of how much time was spent listening to it. The weakness, of course, is that a purchase counts only in the week it occurs, which makes sense from a sales standpoint, but not from a popularity standpoint, which is where I think streaming is a superior measurement. The downside is that now in an effort of trying to compare streams and sales, you’re almost pitting people against each other based on music consumption habits and preferred mediums. Younger people are probably more likely to listen to something more frequently and use streaming services compared to older people, who are probably still more likely to purchase. So therefore, that offsets what the charts look like and the results favour what younger people are listening to because they can. I’m still sure artists favoured by younger demographics would top the charts regardless because of many factors anyway - it’s always been like that, but I don’t think they’d be as extreme as they are now.
I can’t fault Billboard or Soundscan or whoever for having no way to track non-streaming plays because - well, it’s impossible, so they’re doing the best they can, but I think it makes more sense to go with a per-person tracking rather than per-play. How many people have played a particular song this week, instead of how many times did the song get played. It wouldn’t solve it across platforms (ie, one person playing something on Apple Music, YouTube, Spotify and buying a digital copy of the single) but it might level the field a bit better as far as comparing streams with sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 11:57:37 GMT -5
The strength of Good Days on streaming is just amazing to watch, especially since she blocked off Bieber for the last few days.
What a time to be a SZA stan, how far has Good Days been predicted to move up on the Hot 100? I'm imagining top 15 is likely
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Post by gikem on Jan 8, 2021 12:41:38 GMT -5
The strength of Good Days on streaming is just amazing to watch, especially since she blocked off Bieber for the last few days. What a time to be a SZA stan, how far has Good Days been predicted to move up on the Hot 100? I'm imagining top 15 is likely It’s getting shipped to Urban/Rhythmic on Monday, so I imagine that it will make the top 10 and possibly compete for #1.
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Post by kalmanta on Jan 8, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
Why did Good Days blow up? Is it just the fact that it’s a pretty strong song? Are people connecting to the lyrics? Of all the songs I wouldn’t have expected that kind of success story for it.
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Post by Normi on Jan 8, 2021 13:37:25 GMT -5
Drew Barrymore deserved
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Post by atg on Jan 8, 2021 14:16:12 GMT -5
Going to pin this for when Save Your Tears becomes a hit check his discography..almost every era of weeknd peaked after the second single.. BBTM had 4 singles + love me harder that all did extremely well Starboy had 6 singles with the lowest peak being #47, all tracks hitting the hot 100 on its album bomb week + Low Life that did well in the top 20 After Hours now has 4 singles, a 6 minute promo track that hit the top 20 before the album dropped, all tracks hitting the hot 100 on its album bomb week + Smile, Over Now and Hawai Remix doing moderately well having 2/3 of the songs hitting the top 15. All singles after Blinding Lights sadly got robbed because of the massive success of the song Just because they don’t have longevity, a nice peak, or hit a year end list doesn’t mean the era has peaked. As for our current situation, save your tears is about to explode considering it’s excellent timing
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