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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2021 12:10:23 GMT -5
Honestly because she’s such a talented songwriter, we can guess exactly who she’s talking about in her songs. However... she has never once confirmed any song is about her exes, maybe she’s confirmed dear John, or forever and always, and last kiss? I don’t remember.. BUT I don’t recall her specifically marketing herself by the exes she’s been with and what songs are about them.. she was always pestered about her famous exes by the media and tabloids. Come on now. She's used actual names. She's used actual known stories in songs. She's left clues for fans. Let's not act like she's does her best to hide it or anything. There are plenty of women who don't have narratives that do not include men (Lorde), and there are men who do have narratives centered on women (John Mayer). I certainly acknowledge sexism exists. I don't like that it's coming across that I am denying it or something. I'm just saying 1 joke about a woman who had several high-profile relationships and wrote about them and talked about them is not inherently in and of itself sexist.
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Post by aznsinger on Mar 2, 2021 12:14:15 GMT -5
I had a lot of typos in the last post, but I’m just really surprised that so many people on here can’t recognize the tiniest ounce of sexism that exists in this situation. In our society we condemn women who get to choose, who gets to explore themselves and date a handful of men. In reality, the only exes she truly ever talked about on her social media is Calvin Harris and I think Joe Jonas. She’s not the one that’s inviting paparazzi to take photos of her lovers (she’s even been secretly photographed when with Dianna Agron and Karlie Kloss). It’s the society’s double standards on women’s dating history that made us so keenly critical of Taylor using her love life as the centerfold of her career. When in reality every good writer does that, but because Taylor was a young woman when writing those songs, it’s somehow laughable that her songs are all about famous exes breaking her heart. If you can tell me how this thought process ISN’T sexist, please do because I don’t see this treatment on men whatsoever.
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Post by nightshade on Mar 2, 2021 12:18:18 GMT -5
I certainly acknowledge sexism exists. I don't like that it's coming across that I am denying it or something. I'm just saying 1 joke about a woman who had several high-profile relationships and wrote about them and talked about them is not inherently in and of itself sexist. That's you in the pfp? You're a man. Shut the fuck up.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2021 12:33:05 GMT -5
I had a lot of typos in the last post, but I’m just really surprised that so many people on here can’t recognize the tiniest ounce of sexism that exists in this situation. In our society we condemn women who get to choose, who gets to explore themselves and date a handful of men. In reality, the only exes she truly ever talked about on her social media is Calvin Harris and I think Joe Jonas. She’s not the one that’s inviting paparazzi to take photos of her lovers (she’s even been secretly photographed when with Dianna Agron and Karlie Kloss). It’s the society’s double standards on women’s dating history that made us so keenly critical of Taylor using her love life as the centerfold of her career. When in reality every good writer does that, but because Taylor was a young woman when writing those songs, it’s somehow laughable that her songs are all about famous exes breaking her heart. If you can tell me how this thought process ISN’T sexist, please do because I don’t see this treatment on men whatsoever. What does the Nils Sjoberg reference in "Look What You Made Me Do" have to do with being a good writer? How do the "I <3 TS" shirts in the same video not invite people to discuss her love life? How do the scarf references in "WANEGBT" video and "All Too Well" song not belong in the same category as social media?
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2021 12:47:33 GMT -5
I certainly acknowledge sexism exists. I don't like that it's coming across that I am denying it or something. I'm just saying 1 joke about a woman who had several high-profile relationships and wrote about them and talked about them is not inherently in and of itself sexist. That's you in the pfp? You're a man. Shut the f**k up. So when jokes about the romantic relationships of John Mayer, Leonardo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, etc are made, what is the root of them?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 2, 2021 13:07:02 GMT -5
That's you in the pfp? You're a man. Shut the f**k up. So when jokes about the romantic relationships of John Mayer, Leonardo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, etc are made, what is the root of them? Are you seriously insinuating men and women face equal judgement and criticism in media and society for having a slew of multiple romantic partners? The "jokes" I have seen in reference to most male celebrities in regard to this haven't been critical so much as complimentary in nature at their root. Most men are regarded as "bachelors" having fun, simply living the high life who don't want nor care to settle down into anything serious and have the charm to snag any woman they want. The story toward women who do similar (Taylor for instance) is that they are the root problem, can't hold down a man because they must have problematic characteristics, and are promiscuous. Living life as a woman, you pick up and feel all the sexism in the world quite a bit more bluntly than as a man who doesn't have to experience it in the same way.
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Post by gbaby on Mar 2, 2021 13:09:27 GMT -5
So we're doing the "she asked for it" bit? So first you tried comparing it to the Holocaust? Now you're comparing it to rape? These have to be some of the most patently ridiculous hot takes I've ever seen on Pulse. And let's face it, that bar is set pretty high. Can you please approach this with some nuance of thought? Because this bludgeoning technique you're using is a major disservice to actual tragedy. So, it's clear that you've made up your mind as to what constitutes discrimination and how it can snowball. And it's also clear that you're completely unaware. You do you, kid. I ain't pressed.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Mar 2, 2021 13:14:53 GMT -5
So first you tried comparing it to the Holocaust? Now you're comparing it to rape? These have to be some of the most patently ridiculous hot takes I've ever seen on Pulse. And let's face it, that bar is set pretty high. Can you please approach this with some nuance of thought? Because this bludgeoning technique you're using is a major disservice to actual tragedy. So, it's clear that you've made up your mind as to what constitutes discrimination and how it can snowball. And it's also clear that you're completely unaware. You do you, kid. I ain't pressed. There is actual genocide happening in the world right now. And it didn't start with lame jokes about celebrities love lives. I agree, you're not pressed. You're just downright delusional.
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Post by gbaby on Mar 2, 2021 13:22:52 GMT -5
So, it's clear that you've made up your mind as to what constitutes discrimination and how it can snowball. And it's also clear that you're completely unaware. You do you, kid. I ain't pressed. There is actual genocide happening in the world right now. And it didn't start with lame jokes about celebrities love lives. I agree, you're not pressed. You're just downright delusional. You seem to think comments like that don't have a direct tie to violence. You probably think it doesn't start off as a joke, that harassment does not develop into assault, rape, murder. I have little interest in continuing a conversation with you, not the least of which is because of how absolutely closeminded you are. But good for you, getting to call me delusional on a Taylor Swift thread. "Read" me, for sure.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Mar 2, 2021 13:54:23 GMT -5
Damn, and the Grammy's and Oscars are coming up too. Who knows how many lame jokes about celebrities the hosts are going to tell!? Probably gonna cause the rise of the Fourth Reich.
It's been fun you guys, but if only we hadn't told jokes...
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Post by aznsinger on Mar 2, 2021 14:18:05 GMT -5
I had a lot of typos in the last post, but I’m just really surprised that so many people on here can’t recognize the tiniest ounce of sexism that exists in this situation. In our society we condemn women who get to choose, who gets to explore themselves and date a handful of men. In reality, the only exes she truly ever talked about on her social media is Calvin Harris and I think Joe Jonas. She’s not the one that’s inviting paparazzi to take photos of her lovers (she’s even been secretly photographed when with Dianna Agron and Karlie Kloss). It’s the society’s double standards on women’s dating history that made us so keenly critical of Taylor using her love life as the centerfold of her career. When in reality every good writer does that, but because Taylor was a young woman when writing those songs, it’s somehow laughable that her songs are all about famous exes breaking her heart. If you can tell me how this thought process ISN’T sexist, please do because I don’t see this treatment on men whatsoever. What does the Nils Sjoberg reference in "Look What You Made Me Do" have to do with being a good writer? How do the "I <3 TS" shirts in the same video not invite people to discuss her love life? How do the scarf references in "WANEGBT" video and "All Too Well" song not belong in the same category as social media? You bring great points. And I’m gonna say this: Taylor may also be leaning into the already established media craze around her relationships. However, can you also not recognize that this obsessed viewpoint on women dating 10 people in 10 years means she runs through men too fast, a sexist take? Can you at least acknowledge that? It’s not just about Taylor. It’s about any woman in the spotlight. Dating back to Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, etc.
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Post by cjay on Mar 2, 2021 14:18:55 GMT -5
This is a tough topic. There is absolutely sexism in these jokes. how far is too far in the comedy world? Did this particular joke cross that line to warrant such a serious response? I don't think it did, but I'm also not TS. She can feel how she wants to feel. I personally don't think she helped the cause that much by addressing this. I think the general public feels like there are bigger fish to fry on the sexism issue. For example, why didn't TS use her advocate voice to speak out against her self proclaimed man crush, Justin Timberlake, for his (significant) role in how Britney and Janet were treated. The damage done to those two legends is far worse than the tired TS joke on a Netflix show that no one will remember a week from now. I get why she wouldn't speak on the Britney / Janet - JT situation. But I'm also seeing the general public eyeroll TS for what they think is a petty issue. When we (fans) are wondering why TS pop callouts are so bad--it's not because of the music..
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2021 14:19:29 GMT -5
So when jokes about the romantic relationships of John Mayer, Leonardo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, etc are made, what is the root of them? Are you seriously insinuating men and women face equal judgement and criticism in media and society for having a slew of multiple romantic partners? Not necessarily; more so, I am focused on Taylor specifically. As has been pointed out by multiple posters here, Swift in particular made a pattern of writing about her public romantic interests, and more so used it all as a marketing ploy. That is where things like references in videos, clues in artwork, etc come into play. Those things are outside of her being a songwriter using songs to express herself. Are you denying that, for at least the first half or so of her career, she used her relationships to draw interest to her music? Regardless, I think she did that, and out of that I think jokes about Swift specifically aren't necessarily sexist. That isn't to say some aren't; I'm just saying I think an automatic description of any joke about Swift and her relationships as sexist is a false assumption because Swift herself so directly tied her relationships to her career.
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Post by aznsinger on Mar 2, 2021 14:26:35 GMT -5
I understand what you’re saying now jenglisbeIt’s just tough because there is 100% sexism tied into these types of jokes regardless if Taylor has been profiting off it or not. I still hold the stance that she didn’t create this narrative, it was given to her and she ran with it for a bit.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2021 14:27:46 GMT -5
What does the Nils Sjoberg reference in "Look What You Made Me Do" have to do with being a good writer? How do the "I <3 TS" shirts in the same video not invite people to discuss her love life? How do the scarf references in "WANEGBT" video and "All Too Well" song not belong in the same category as social media? You bring great points. And I’m gonna say this: Taylor may also be leaning into the already established media craze around her relationships. However, can you also not recognize that this obsessed viewpoint on women dating 10 people in 10 years means she runs through men too fast, a sexist take? Can you at least acknowledge that? It’s not just about Taylor. It’s about any woman in the spotlight. Dating back to Marilyn Monroe, Madonna, etc. Well I can agree in theory, but then I think about how the same things were said about Matt Damon when he dated Minnie Driver, Claire Danes, etc when in his 20s. Those things have been said about John Mayer. To be honest I am just not sure if the comments about Taylor (not all women, just Taylor) are due to sexism, or due to Taylor (and others) tying the first 10 or so years of her career to her relationships. From what I've seen Ariana Grande doesn't have the same reputation despite having public relationships and also name checking guys in songs. Sexism absolutely exists, though, and I don't want that to get lost so I'll move on.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 2, 2021 14:52:35 GMT -5
To be honest I am just not sure if the comments about Taylor (not all women, just Taylor) are due to sexism, or due to Taylor (and others) tying the first 10 or so years of her career to her relationships. From what I've seen Ariana Grande doesn't have the same reputation despite having public relationships and also name checking guys in songs. Sexism absolutely exists, though, and I don't want that to get lost so I'll move on. So, Taylor is the exception. For other women it could be sexist, but with Taylor it's not....because she brought it on herself by writing songs about her exes or referencing them? Like, what? If people were just *talking* about her private life I could see the point being made, as if she is going to publicize her private life, of course people will talk, but many are not only talking about it but harshly judging her for such using criticisms/ideologies rooted in sexism. These harmful ideologies affect women across the board. Yes, including Taylor.
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Post by Eqbk on Mar 2, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -5
This situation is definitely a case where context is important. If this were a comedian making this joke during one their comedy routines, it would be sexist (and outdated) but this was a joke made by a fictional character. More importantly, the joke was not framed in a positive way, neither was the character framed as a good person for doing so. Context is important.
Does Taylor have a right to be mad at sexism thrown her way? Yes (but again, context is important), but the way she goes around handling perceived slights against her is really off-putting and more importantly, leads to some pretty awful consequences for those caught in the crossfires. Taylor has enough clout, power, and influence to contact those at the top of Netflix and maybe get the line removed, have the writers/producers reprimanded, etc. All of this could have been quietly taken care of behind the scenes and if she still insisted on saying something, she could have then said something like "Hey everyone, I just had a discussion with Netflix and it's been taken care of. Thank you to everyone for your support" after she settled things with Netflix.
Instead, she chooses to publicly spar with Netflix and rile up her notoriously rabid and racist fan base who then choose to attack Antonia Gentry. And of course, no word from supposed feminist Taylor Swift to her fan base to stop harassing Antonia and prevent any further misnogynoir. No word from Taylor either when her fan base spams the twitter post from Netflix paying tribute to Chadwick Boseman's Golden Globe win.
There are ways in which a mature adult would have handled this situation and then there's the way Taylor Swift has handled it. And at 31 years old, it's sad that those two things aren't the same. This whole situation reminded me why I haven't really followed/supported Taylor since the 1989 era. It reminds me just how self-serving she can be and how little she cares about the consequences of her actions. It's a real shame, because her recent re-recording of "Love Story" brought back nice memories and reminded me why I liked her back in the day. I also have respect for the way she's choosing the take back ownership of her art.
As a side note, it will be interesting to see how she handles the re-recording of Speak Now since it contains "Better Than Revenge". Will choose to not record a song that slut shames another woman after she just condemned Netflix for doing so or will the money she would be passing up be too much for her? It will interesting to see what she does.
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Post by aznsinger on Mar 2, 2021 16:52:18 GMT -5
Lol this is why Taylor never goes on social media except to promote her material.. she barely even gives any opinions to anything and now that her rabid fan base is harassing others (which is so wrong) she’s now the irresponsible one for letting this happen? I doubt she even is aware of the harassment that’s occurring on other people’s tweets and posts. I guess she’s just too big of an artist to freely tweet her thoughts anymore even though people like Ariana Grande does it with rarely any backlash. Of course Taylor should say something about the racism of some swifties, but who would’ve thought that her attacking netflix would inspire hate into the actors??? Take accountability but not everything is her fault lmao
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Post by Dammn Baby on Mar 2, 2021 17:16:59 GMT -5
Does Taylor have a right to be mad at sexism thrown her way? Yes (but again, context is important), but the way she goes around handling perceived slights against her is really off-putting and more importantly, leads to some pretty awful consequences for those caught in the crossfires. Taylor has enough clout, power, and influence to contact those at the top of Netflix and maybe get the line removed, have the writers/producers reprimanded, etc. All of this could have been quietly taken care of behind the scenes and if she still insisted on saying something, she could have then said something like "Hey everyone, I just had a discussion with Netflix and it's been taken care of. Thank you to everyone for your support" after she settled things with Netflix. Even the idea of this happening is hilarious. That would set such an absurd precedent for censorship and Netflix would (rightly) tell her to f**k all the way off and laugh her out of the building (or Zoom room). Sorry, but another Taylor Swift concert special is not worth compromising their content in this way. Much worse about others has been said in every single Netflix comedy special. Why would she deserve any special treatment? It's goddamned comedy. This is a complete non-issue - so instead she took to Twitter to complain and weaponize her base. She absolutely has the right to complain when a joke is made about her, and people also have the right to think her immature and entitled for it.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Mar 2, 2021 22:37:04 GMT -5
Does Taylor have a right to be mad at sexism thrown her way? Yes (but again, context is important), but the way she goes around handling perceived slights against her is really off-putting and more importantly, leads to some pretty awful consequences for those caught in the crossfires. Taylor has enough clout, power, and influence to contact those at the top of Netflix and maybe get the line removed, have the writers/producers reprimanded, etc. All of this could have been quietly taken care of behind the scenes and if she still insisted on saying something, she could have then said something like "Hey everyone, I just had a discussion with Netflix and it's been taken care of. Thank you to everyone for your support" after she settled things with Netflix. Even the idea of this happening is hilarious. That would set such an absurd precedent for censorship and Netflix would (rightly) tell her to f**k all the way off and laugh her out of the building (or Zoom room). Sorry, but another Taylor Swift concert special is not worth compromising their content in this way. Much worse about others has been said in every single Netflix comedy special. Why would she deserve any special treatment? It's goddamned comedy. This is a complete non-issue - so instead she took to Twitter to complain and weaponize her base. She absolutely has the right to complain when a joke is made about her, and people also have the right to think her immature and entitled for it. Lol compromising their content by not making sexist remarks? I think it’s just frustrating for her that a decade later, people still want to use her name for clickbait or attention, and then they have the nerve to basically slut-shame her retrospectively. The narrative the media created that she dates a lot, that she gets around, that she chases boys and writes songs about them... it’s just beaten to the ground. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes with all those guys, but it always feels like the blame was put on Taylor and she was deemed the harlot in it all. It’s happened before Taylor (reminds me of Easy A), and it will happen after, but maybe Taylor standing up for herself will make these douche bag writers think twice. I mean, what an unnecessary line of dialogue...
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 3, 2021 2:10:31 GMT -5
Damn, and the Grammy's and Oscars are coming up too. Who knows how many lame jokes about celebrities the hosts are going to tell!? Probably gonna cause the rise of the Fourth Reich. It's been fun you guys, but if only we hadn't told jokes... I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this thread. Every major celebrity has been a punchline at one point or another, whether it’s in a movie, tv show, or award show. Taylor even embraced the whole “serial dater” narrative in her music before. If Taylor thinks what people say about her is sexist and slut shaming, she should see the jokes made about Kim Kardashian. Tbh, I think Taylor and her fanbase are blowing this thing way out of proportion.
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Post by Anticonformity on Mar 3, 2021 2:27:04 GMT -5
Damn, and the Grammy's and Oscars are coming up too. Who knows how many lame jokes about celebrities the hosts are going to tell!? Probably gonna cause the rise of the Fourth Reich. It's been fun you guys, but if only we hadn't told jokes... I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this thread. Every major celebrity has been a punchline at one point or another, whether it’s in a movie, tv show, or award show. Taylor even embraced the whole “serial dater” narrative in her music before. If Taylor thinks what people say about her is sexist and slut shaming, she should see the jokes made about Kim Kardashian. Tbh, I think Taylor and her fanbase are blowing this thing way out of proportion.The fact that Britney has been used as a punchline since 1999 and CONTINUES to be as recent as the Will & Grace revival... yeah they need to calm down... They should imagine what it's like to be a Britney stan... (while also dealing with mental health issues)
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 3, 2021 2:35:37 GMT -5
Why is she so bothered? No one finds 'jokes' like that funny anyway. Maybe her current boyfriend has an issue with her past always being the butt of the joke?
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Post by kimberly on Mar 3, 2021 4:23:46 GMT -5
Damn, and the Grammy's and Oscars are coming up too. Who knows how many lame jokes about celebrities the hosts are going to tell!? Probably gonna cause the rise of the Fourth Reich. It's been fun you guys, but if only we hadn't told jokes... I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this thread. Every major celebrity has been a punchline at one point or another, whether it’s in a movie, tv show, or award show. Taylor even embraced the whole “serial dater” narrative in her music before. If Taylor thinks what people say about her is sexist and slut shaming, she should see the jokes made about Kim Kardashian. Tbh, I think Taylor and her fanbase are blowing this thing way out of proportion. I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this thread. Every major celebrity has been a punchline at one point or another, whether it’s in a movie, tv show, or award show. Taylor even embraced the whole “serial dater” narrative in her music before. If Taylor thinks what people say about her is sexist and slut shaming, she should see the jokes made about Kim Kardashian. Tbh, I think Taylor and her fanbase are blowing this thing way out of proportion.The fact that Britney has been used as a punchline since 1999 and CONTINUES to be as recent as the Will & Grace revival... yeah they need to calm down... They should imagine what it's like to be a Britney stan... (while also dealing with mental health issues) Why is she so bothered? No one finds 'jokes' like that funny anyway. Maybe her current boyfriend has an issue with her past always being the butt of the joke? I can't believe the amount of gaslighting going on in this thread. Taylor wrote songs about her life. Media, as it always did, chose to focus on the men. The fact that all women have been/are subject to sexism doesn't make Taylor's experience invalid. If someone at Taylor's stature isn't going to use their platform to speak out on this, who should? This backwards logic of "Britney went through worse" "Janet Jackson was hurt more" "Kim Kardashian isn't saying anything about the bad jokes people make about her so Taylor should shut up" is DISGUSTING. Society is finally at a place where they can speak up. I wish Britney didn't have to go through what she has. That doesn't mean Taylor should sit there and take it????? Bunch of men dictating how a woman should feel about sexist jokes made about her.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 3, 2021 4:45:47 GMT -5
Why is she so bothered? No one finds 'jokes' like that funny anyway. If that were the case, it wouldn't have been made in the first place.
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 3, 2021 5:27:50 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said in this thread. Every major celebrity has been a punchline at one point or another, whether it’s in a movie, tv show, or award show. Taylor even embraced the whole “serial dater” narrative in her music before. If Taylor thinks what people say about her is sexist and slut shaming, she should see the jokes made about Kim Kardashian. Tbh, I think Taylor and her fanbase are blowing this thing way out of proportion. The fact that Britney has been used as a punchline since 1999 and CONTINUES to be as recent as the Will & Grace revival... yeah they need to calm down... They should imagine what it's like to be a Britney stan... (while also dealing with mental health issues) Why is she so bothered? No one finds 'jokes' like that funny anyway. Maybe her current boyfriend has an issue with her past always being the butt of the joke? I can't believe the amount of gaslighting going on in this thread. Taylor wrote songs about her life. Media, as it always did, chose to focus on the men. The fact that all women have been/are subject to sexism doesn't make Taylor's experience invalid. If someone at Taylor's stature isn't going to use their platform to speak out on this, who should? This backwards logic of "Britney went through worse" "Janet Jackson was hurt more" "Kim Kardashian isn't saying anything about the bad jokes people make about her so Taylor should shut up" is DISGUSTING. Society is finally at a place where they can speak up. I wish Britney didn't have to go through what she has. That doesn't mean Taylor should sit there and take it????? Bunch of men dictating how a woman should feel about sexist jokes made about her. Taylor chose to speak up when SHE was the subject of sexism. Funny how you mention Britney. Where was Taylor 3 weeks ago when the documentary about Britney was a hot topic if she's all about female empowerment? The thing is that she is trying to make this about sexism when it is about her EXCLUSIVELY. Nothing wrong with not inserting yourself into other people's business but once you use the misogyny card, your past actions should reflect that as well and in her case, said actions are simply not there. Ofc she has the right to feel all sorts of ways when she sees something about her that she doesn't like but to try to spin it into something much bigger than just herself is tacky and uncalled for. Why is she so bothered? No one finds 'jokes' like that funny anyway. If that were the case, it wouldn't have been made in the first place. Well true but I wouldn't take those people seriously because I'd assume they're not on my level intellectually speaking.
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Post by kimberly on Mar 3, 2021 5:40:32 GMT -5
I can't believe the amount of gaslighting going on in this thread. Taylor wrote songs about her life. Media, as it always did, chose to focus on the men. The fact that all women have been/are subject to sexism doesn't make Taylor's experience invalid. If someone at Taylor's stature isn't going to use their platform to speak out on this, who should? This backwards logic of "Britney went through worse" "Janet Jackson was hurt more" "Kim Kardashian isn't saying anything about the bad jokes people make about her so Taylor should shut up" is DISGUSTING. Society is finally at a place where they can speak up. I wish Britney didn't have to go through what she has. That doesn't mean Taylor should sit there and take it????? Bunch of men dictating how a woman should feel about sexist jokes made about her. Taylor chose to speak up when SHE was the subject of sexism. Funny how you mention Britney. Where was Taylor 3 weeks ago when the documentary about Britney was a hot topic if she's all about female empowerment? The thing is that she is trying to make this about sexism when it is about her EXCLUSIVELY. Nothing wrong with not inserting yourself into other people's business but once you use the misogyny card, your past actions should reflect that as well and in her case, said actions are simply not there. ??? Are you implying that Taylor has been misogynistic in the past by not inserting herself into another celebrity's legal battle? Britney's situation is highly complicated, and I sure hope she's done stuff to support her/reach out to her. But Taylor tweeting "#FreeBritney" would have been the most performative shit. Are we still talking about the woman that literally donated $250,000 to cover Kesha's legal expenses? The woman that sued a guy that assaulted her for $1 just to prove her point, when she could have easily asked for more and made the situation just about herself? What is "the misogyny card"??? Get outta here.
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Post by Keelzit on Mar 3, 2021 5:42:48 GMT -5
Taylor chose to speak up when SHE was the subject of sexism. Funny how you mention Britney. Where was Taylor 3 weeks ago when the documentary about Britney was a hot topic if she's all about female empowerment? The thing is that she is trying to make this about sexism when it is about her EXCLUSIVELY. Nothing wrong with not inserting yourself into other people's business but once you use the misogyny card, your past actions should reflect that as well and in her case, said actions are simply not there. ??? Are you implying that Taylor has been misogynistic in the past by not inserting herself into another celebrity's legal battle? Britney's situation is highly complicated, and I sure hope she's done stuff to support her/reach out to her. But Taylor tweeting "#FreeBritney" would have been the most performative s**t. Are we still talking about the woman that literally donated $250,000 to cover Kesha's legal expenses? The woman that sued a guy that assaulted her for $1 just to prove her point, when she could have easily asked for more and made the situation just about herself? What is "the misogyny card"??? Get outta here. I'm referring to her calling out that show/Netflix for being sexist. Not herself being one.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 3, 2021 6:07:36 GMT -5
I'm not of the opinion that an artist has to openly support/protest every single act of sexism, every single act of abuse, every single act of homophobia, every single act of transphobia, every single act of racism etc to be passionate about and genuinely support each movement. There have been issues we all have been silent on (at least publicly) and it doesn't mean we don't think they're wrong. Taylor has spoken out, supported, and fought for situations that haven't directly affected her before, so the idea that the only time she speaks out against injustice or discrimination or sexism is if she is directly involved is ridiculous. Not just with Taylor, but I really loathe the whole "if this artist is against A, then where were they when B happened?? HuH?"
On a side note, of course she, like anyone else, is going to be more likely to speak out on issues that affect her directly. Things that impact us personally will always find precedent, as by nature human beings are selfish creatures.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Mar 3, 2021 6:11:21 GMT -5
Even the idea of this happening is hilarious. That would set such an absurd precedent for censorship and Netflix would (rightly) tell her to f**k all the way off and laugh her out of the building (or Zoom room). Sorry, but another Taylor Swift concert special is not worth compromising their content in this way. Much worse about others has been said in every single Netflix comedy special. Why would she deserve any special treatment? It's goddamned comedy. This is a complete non-issue - so instead she took to Twitter to complain and weaponize her base. She absolutely has the right to complain when a joke is made about her, and people also have the right to think her immature and entitled for it. Lol compromising their content by not making sexist remarks? Yup. There’s a lot “worse” on Netflix than a lame, stale joke about Taylor Swift. That kind of censorship would set a precedent that would then allow anyone who felt offended by their content (past, present or future) to request editing to satisfy them. Therefore, it would never happen.
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