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Post by spiritboy on Sept 19, 2021 10:57:50 GMT -5
How is this doing on streaming? I'd rather judge the song based on its performance on streaming.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 19, 2021 10:58:05 GMT -5
So you're gloating about white radio programmers showing limited to support to an R&B song on Normani's second single? For the record, this sentiment is why people celebrate her outperforming her group mate on the American charts ;) She always has to do more with less. Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Everyone knows that isnβt true. Point blank. Youβre incapable of having an actual in depth conversation so Iβd say stop, Leona. Youβre in over your head.
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Post by andrebra on Sept 19, 2021 11:27:56 GMT -5
So you're gloating about white radio programmers showing limited to support to an R&B song on Normani's second single? For the record, this sentiment is why people celebrate her outperforming her group mate on the American charts ;) She always has to do more with less. Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Youβre so overindulged in pop radio itβs quite embarrassing. Wild Side has bigger streaming than a certain song you happen to be way too obsessed with right now. If you donβt want ppl being βnegativeβ in Camilaβs threads, then quit coming over here and paining this a flop simply because it didnβt do well on pop radioβ¦ when itβs not even a primarily pop song.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 11:32:09 GMT -5
How is this doing on streaming? I'd rather judge the song based on its performance on streaming. It did reach gold eligibility in less than two months. Full disclosure: I don't think the streaming stats are anything to write home about. Although it is a top streaming R&B song per Billboard Its best performance relative to other songs is video on demand. It's hovered around or above 20 on the US YouTube video chart in the 8 weeks since its release. No surprise there. After reaching the top 10 on US Apple Music, it was stable in the 40s of AM for weeks until RCA allegedly made a mistake while attempting to consolidate the extended and original version with AM. This caused it to become unplayable from top AM charts/playlist and it disappeared out of the top 100 chart instantaneously in the middle of the week in which they "goofed". It recovered partly and it's hovering around 100 on AM with several major rap albums above it. I think there is a second version now in the 100s as of today.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 11:40:09 GMT -5
Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Youβre so overindulged in pop radio itβs quite embarrassing. Wild Side has bigger streaming than a certain song you happen to be way too obsessed with right now. If you donβt want ppl being βnegativeβ in Camilaβs threads, then quit coming over here and paining this a flop simply because it didnβt do well on pop radioβ¦ when itβs not even a primarily pop song. This person has been in here from week one. They even messaged me about Camila vs Normani on pop radio last month. It's like really? I'm pretty sure the song they like is flailing on all metrics so they're clinging to a radio campaign that didn't work to alleviate the pain. Every day it drops on pop radio they say it's not that bad and then they come over here angry.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 19, 2021 12:02:31 GMT -5
Youβre so overindulged in pop radio itβs quite embarrassing. Wild Side has bigger streaming than a certain song you happen to be way too obsessed with right now. If you donβt want ppl being βnegativeβ in Camilaβs threads, then quit coming over here and paining this a flop simply because it didnβt do well on pop radioβ¦ when itβs not even a primarily pop song. This person has been in here from week one. They even messaged me about Camila vs Normani on pop radio last month. It's like really? I'm pretty sure the song they like is flailing on all metrics so they're clinging to a radio campaign that didn't work to alleviate the pain. Every day it drops on pop radio they say it's not that bad and then they come over here angry. Your the one starting crap every day on the Camila thread.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 19, 2021 12:04:21 GMT -5
Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Wild Side is a top 14 hit. The alternative is flopping with a pop radio deal which you're very familiar. I sense some jealous energy and misplaced anger. Top 14 on R&B, this is a Pop thread.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 12:31:24 GMT -5
Wild Side is a top 14 hit. The alternative is flopping with a pop radio deal which you're very familiar. I sense some jealous energy and misplaced anger. Top 14 on R&B, this is a Pop thread. Top 14 on Billboard Remember Billboard? It's an overall popularity chart that applies a formula to data from Pop, Rhythmic, Urban airplay etc., Apple Music, YouTube, Pandora, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon, Tidal and more to tell you which songs are most popular in our country each week. It's not Normani's fault pop radio couldn't save your favorite song. Let it go.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 19, 2021 13:19:00 GMT -5
This is predicted to rise 20 spots on Billboard this week. I'm sensing it's close to peaking on pop radio while I know the iHeart show affected today's update. I think RCA will campaign for the top 10 on urban, but then again it's RCA.
I wonder if she's performing this at the Savage x Fenty show?
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Post by vithor on Sept 19, 2021 16:05:39 GMT -5
So you're gloating about white radio programmers showing limited to support to an R&B song on Normani's second single? For the record, this sentiment is why people celebrate her outperforming her group mate on the American charts ;) She always has to do more with less. Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Streets and Good Days are two R&B examples from only this year that will say otherwise.
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Post by divasummer on Sept 19, 2021 16:32:44 GMT -5
Did Normani and Camilla not get along or something when they were in the group for a few years together?? Why wouldnβt there fans want them both to do well???? Neither lady did all that well at pop but ones got Urban to support them and one has Hot AC. It seems like their both doing about the same at radio???? We blame the media for pitting women against each other. Maybe it starts with the PC correct Pulse Board.. lol
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Post by Choco on Sept 20, 2021 8:53:13 GMT -5
Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Streets and Good Days are two R&B examples from only this year that will say otherwise. Those two bad terrible label support. Audiences had to basically stream the fuck out of them on their own. Also have to point out that this being a "top 14 hit" while Streets peaked lower kinda proves that a single week peak on it's own does not show the full picture.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -5
Streets and Good Days are two R&B examples from only this year that will say otherwise. Those two bad terrible label support. Audiences had to basically stream the f**k out of them on their own. Also have to point out that this being a "top 14 hit" while Streets peaked lower kinda proves that a single week peak on it's own does not show the full picture. Help me make sense of this logically. A troll implies that if a song is good it will have one week where it is at least the 16th or 17th most played song specifically on pop radio. Which would imply -Boo'd Up was not a good song -Record of the Year This is America was not a good song -Gospel, Country, Rock artists don't make good songs And the list goes on because getting a certain level of pop radio payola play and pop radio play only, is the definitive determinant of quality. And your addition is that people streamed Good Days and Streets a lot. How does that fit into the conversation? I can't place it.
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Post by Choco on Sept 20, 2021 9:27:40 GMT -5
My point is that the labels made zero effort for Streets and Good Days or they would have gotten played.
Good Days is actually not that different from your usual HAC leaning radio hit. But SZA and her label can't seem to agree on what even is gonna be a single.
Streets was a surprise hit that exploded just as she was starting the Planet HER era. There was no budget for any more radio promo for a track from Hot Pink. They conceded by delaying KMM and eventually doing a video.
That was it. I'm not saying quality is a requirement for charting like Leona is saying. Butter just spent 10 weeks at #1 so there is evidence that crap can chart well lol.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 9:47:17 GMT -5
My point is that the labels made zero effort for Streets and Good Days or they would have gotten played. Good Days is actually not that different from your usual HAC leaning radio hit. But SZA and her label can't seem to agree on what even is gonna be a single. Streets was a surprise hit that exploded just as she was starting the Planet HER era. There was no budget for any more radio promo for a track from Hot Pink. They conceded by delaying KMM and eventually doing a video. That was it. I'm not saying quality is a requirement for charting like Leona is saying. Butter just spent 10 weeks at #1 so there is evidence that crap can chart well lol. So in a nutshell you're saying RCA's budget, internal label politics, and other concerns besides quality (or even popularity) kept certain songs from getting pop radio support.
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Post by Choco on Sept 20, 2021 9:58:31 GMT -5
My point is that the labels made zero effort for Streets and Good Days or they would have gotten played. Good Days is actually not that different from your usual HAC leaning radio hit. But SZA and her label can't seem to agree on what even is gonna be a single. Streets was a surprise hit that exploded just as she was starting the Planet HER era. There was no budget for any more radio promo for a track from Hot Pink. They conceded by delaying KMM and eventually doing a video. That was it. I'm not saying quality is a requirement for charting like Leona is saying. Butter just spent 10 weeks at #1 so there is evidence that crap can chart well lol. So in a nutshell you're saying RCA's budget, internal label politics, and other concerns besides quality (or even popularity) kept certain songs from getting pop radio support. Yeah. Labels do play a factor on radio. And it's no secret that Normani is not a label priority, sadly. But if anything Streets and Good Days proved that audiences will stream even without radio. Wild Side got good sampling on week 1 but then fell down to the lower sections of most streaming charts. I don't think they're comparable runs. Add to that the fact that radio has favorites. Shawn Mendes and Ed Sheeran get automatic trips to top 20 before audience feedback exists (for Ed feedback has been good, but for example Shawn keeps getting there to the #20 section for free with zero audience support). Normani hasn't built that level of radio love yet (which is why sending this to URB and RHY but dropping a popppier track to CHR would have been smarter - assuming her project has anything poppier on it). Camila is kinda there on the radio favorites club. There is no other reason for DGY to be top 20 when audiences have completely ignored it onnother metrics. (Fwiw I think her support is fading and this was probably her last automatic top 20 without actual audience interest). The new generation needs to step it up. Lil Nas X, Olivia Rodrigo and Dua Lipa are killing it, but there's plenty of room for more acts to rise and some of the mistakes are so frustrating bc some acts like Normank keep showing us glimpses of potential and brilliance.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 10:00:28 GMT -5
Stop with the excuses! If a song is good it will get support, if it's not it gets no support. Streets and Good Days are two R&B examples from only this year that will say otherwise. Good Days, Streets, Boo'd Up, Hard Place, Thinkin' Bout You, Do It, Over It, Trip, and the list goes on. There must be some kind of trend where black female R&B songs do not get the same reception by pop programmers irrespective of their popularity because I can't see labels foregoing promotion at the biggest radio format for almost every current black female r&b artist with a record/distribution deal because they're all just so disorganized and confused. It's almost like they've done studies on this www.billboard.com/articles/news/8054003/hip-hop-rb-pop-radio-songs-crossover
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 10:48:11 GMT -5
So in a nutshell you're saying RCA's budget, internal label politics, and other concerns besides quality (or even popularity) kept certain songs from getting pop radio support. Yeah. Labels do play a factor on radio. And it's no secret that Normani is not a label priority, sadly. But if anything Streets and Good Days proved that audiences will stream even without radio. Wild Side got good sampling on week 1 but then fell down to the lower sections of most streaming charts. I don't think they're comparable runs. Add to that the fact that radio has favorites. Shawn Mendes and Ed Sheeran get automatic trips to top 20 before audience feedback exists (for Ed feedback has been good, but for example Shawn keeps getting there to the #20 section for free with zero audience support). Normani hasn't built that level of radio love yet (which is why sending this to URB and RHY but dropping a popppier track to CHR would have been smarter - assuming her project has anything poppier on it). Camila is kinda there on the radio favorites club. There is no other reason for DGY to be top 20 when audiences have completely ignored it onnother metrics. (Fwiw I think her support is fading and this was probably her last automatic top 20 without actual audience interest). The new generation needs to step it up. Lil Nas X, Olivia Rodrigo and Dua Lipa are killing it, but there's plenty of room for more acts to rise and some of the mistakes are so frustrating bc some acts like Normank keep showing us glimpses of potential and brilliance. Well I mostly agree except in the US, Wild Side was quite robust on Apple Music before it lost positions because of a failed attempt to consolidate versions. It was above or around top 10 for several weeks, stabilized in the top 40s, and even now is likely above 60 if you combine both charting versions in the 100s. There are also Kanye, Drake, and LNX albums above it. On the other hand, The Wild Side video generated more views in a week than the Good Days video in a month just as an example of its strength on YouTube (esp in the US). WS has been top 20s on the US video chart ever since debuting at number one. It's not the most popular song but it's arguably more popular on 2 out of 3 of the biggest US streaming platforms (YouTube and Apple) than songs with major US pop spins like Don't Go Yet, Love Again, the Dixie song, the Shawn Mendes song, the Jonas Brother song, the Kane Brown song, The Black Eyed Peas song, the Twenty One Pilots song. All above it on a popular airplay chart. SZA and Doja started releasing EPs and solo albums in 2012 and 2014 so they have built up a fanbase around their catalogs that exploded over time. Normani is much newer than them in the sense that she has a smaller solo catalog, no album, and first released a solo single in 2018. Therefore, radio play and tv performances are still a way for her to be discovered as a solo star. Doja signed with RCA/Kemosabe in 2014 and SZA signed with TDE in 2013 and with RCA years later. Normani came out of 5H and announced her solo deal with RCA/Keep Cool in 2018. So it's obviously not an apples-to-apples comparison between songs when in 2021 they're all at different stages of a solo music career and recording contract. I think name recognition, along with race and genre definitely play a factor in what gets pushed and where. Yes, some of it starts with label decisions on the mix of marketing and promotion, but if labels were completely autonomous to break their artists on pop radio, I think you'd see more popular female R&B songs played including Good Days, Streets, etc. RCA would make HER Alicia Keys. Interscope would make Summer Walker Mary J Blige and Ella Mai Rihanna in terms of being Top 40 staples. (Or maybe they figure it's not worth the payola since they're successful in the new streaming ecosystem without it). Reality is probably more complicated than just label decisions however. Bias comes into play for sure as I remember Sony execs complaining publicly about pop radio not wanting to support Lemonade singles after Beyonce gave a black-centric Superbowl half-time performance. This proves that there are some industry biases in pop that not even a superstar budget, connections, and name recognition can solve. So to remark "CHR flop" like you did a few posts ago is an odd take in light of your argument that label, budget, prioritization, and frankly many other factors influence level of pop airplay. Pop radio promotion is political.
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Post by HamedM1 π on Sept 20, 2021 11:41:31 GMT -5
For a complete R&B song it did better than I expected, these girls really just need to break off from RCA though cause that label just doesn't do enough for em at all.
Anyways I do hope this doesn't affect her release schedule cause I'd lose my mind if I had to wait a long period of time for new music again. At least the song and it's video saw critical acclaim between critics and fans alike so the interest is definitely there for her.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 12:24:43 GMT -5
For a complete R&B song it did better than I expected, these girls really just need to break off from RCA though cause that label just doesn't do enough for em at all. Anyways I do hope this doesn't affect her release schedule cause I'd lose my mind if I had to wait a long period of time for ne B caw music again. At least the song and it's video saw critical acclaim between critics and fans alike so the interest is definitely there for her. Well this just hit 100 on Apple Music again. <The extended version is at 196> I actually donβt see RCA releasing another single until this dies. Not the way theyβve operated until now. Wild Side is rebounding on Billboard as album bombs clear and effect from VMAs buzz I imagine. Urban radio updates have been consistent, huge even today in terms of AI. I believe it also has a Savage X Fenty performance on Friday so I think RCA is in it for the long haul. Pop radio audience is under 2.5 million so even if it freefalls on pop there's not going to be much effect unless that ripples across urban and rhythmic. This song isn't dependent on pop like Motivation. Wish we could get more singles at once but I donβt expect it.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 20, 2021 13:47:50 GMT -5
(09/20/21)
US Pop Radio #31(+1)
β Spins: 1412 (-117) β Bullet: -588 (-104) β Audience: 2.143 (-0.224)
US Urban Radio #13 (=)
β Spins: 3037 (+96) β Bullet: 344 (+2) β Audience: 9.749 (+0.503)
US Rhythmic Radio #19(=)
β Spins: 2043 (+14) β Bullet: 11 (-3) β Audience: 6.313 (+0.186)
Overall Radio Kworb #76 (+1) Audience Impressions: 18.76 (+0.47)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 15:13:15 GMT -5
The chorus of this song is absolute fire -- "Take me for a ride boy, show me your wild side boy, I know it's been a while boy"
It's a shame the rest of the song lets it down bc that part is really catchy and addictive.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 21, 2021 9:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by jdanton2 on Sept 24, 2021 15:59:24 GMT -5
it might be dead at pop but at urban it is close to going top 10 and was #1 in callouts at urban today.
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 25, 2021 11:00:37 GMT -5
Still climbing the AT40 countdown somehow. It will probably go Top 10 at urban tomorrow
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 26, 2021 15:26:30 GMT -5
Looks like it might crap out just outside top 10 on Urban. The fact that it never looked like that at all >
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Post by divasummer on Sept 26, 2021 16:32:50 GMT -5
WerrrKkk!!! Lol
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Post by itsatravesty on Sept 28, 2021 5:39:32 GMT -5
Pop radio got it wrong but apparently her next single is going to be crossover
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Post by Wave. on Oct 4, 2021 10:23:04 GMT -5
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