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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 24, 2021 12:58:23 GMT -5
I know they sold out, but i don’t know how one could think One More Night sounds exactly the same as Girls Like You, or Sugar and Memories. I know it feels like a common joke but if i’m being honest, i never played a single maroon 5 song and said to myself “oh this sounds exactly like their other hits”. I still think their generic, but they have done this long enough to give them their own ‘sound’, even if it isn’t their best at all. This tbh. For me all Drake songs (and most rap songs) sound the same. For me it's the worst genre along with metal and country yet i don't complain about it over and over. Same argument can be used here, though. Since when "Passionfruit", "Nice For What", "Money In The Grave", and "Hold On, We're Going Home" sound the same? The less said about the wrong generalization of rap, the better, really. Once again, this couldn't be more untrue, even more so when taking the whole history of rap music into account. Maybe we should just stop with the whole 'every x song sounds the same' insult, because it always comes from deliberate bias. |
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 24, 2021 13:15:44 GMT -5
This tbh. For me all Drake songs (and most rap songs) sound the same. For me it's the worst genre along with metal and country yet i don't complain about it over and over. Same argument can be used here, though. Since when "Passionfruit", "Nice For What", "Money In The Grave", and "Hold On, We're Going Home" sound the same? The less said about the wrong generalization of rap, the better, really. Once again, this couldn't be more untrue, even more so when taking the whole history of rap music into account. Maybe we should just stop with the whole 'every x song sounds the same' insult, because it always comes from deliberate bias. Well, tell that to M5 haters, everytime they release a song, insults begin. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 24, 2021 13:22:37 GMT -5
spiritboy This last statement applies to everyone. I've seen these comments targeted at whole genres (mostly rap and country), but also artists, from Maroon 5 and Ed Sheeran to Ariana Grande and Taylor Swift, and the bias is so very blatant. So yeah, that last sentence is for all users here. It's just a childish and surface-level critique of something you don't like, alongside the overused 'mediocre'. Saying 'formulaic' or 'uninspired' are much more valid criticisms, for instance.
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 24, 2021 13:53:17 GMT -5
I agree with you on this.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Apr 24, 2021 17:42:41 GMT -5
Big Pat Boone fan too, I'm guessing? Who? You later saying rap, metal, and country are the worst genres is what I expected given I've seen of your post history; it seems you hate any style of music that isn't the most WASP-y stuff possible. At the same time I pity someone whose experience of art seems so isolated and incurious, and am also glad not everyone is as narrow-minded as you. |
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Post by CF15 on Apr 24, 2021 17:56:31 GMT -5
With the recalibration, this must by the lowest radio audience number for the #1 by a landslide and a half.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 24, 2021 18:20:17 GMT -5
Holy fuck the #1 song on radio only has 91mil audience
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Post by iHype. on Apr 24, 2021 18:52:05 GMT -5
Once again you have to wonder if radio ratings plummeting has to do with people switching to streaming, or moreso just the absolute overplaying of the same songs.
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Post by lazer on Apr 24, 2021 18:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by jdanton2 on Apr 24, 2021 19:02:23 GMT -5
just went back to compare the #1 song on radio's audience numbers on April 24th all the way back to 2013. this year was by far the lowest . last year at this time was higher than the year before.
2021 Leave The Door Open- Silk Sonic 91.17
2020 Blinding Lights -The Weeknd 152.44
2019 Sucker -Jonas Brothers 132.76
2018 Meant To Be- Bebe Rexha ft FGL 201.53
2017 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran 248.97
2016 Love Yourself - Justin Bieber 169.68
2015 Earned It - The Weeknd 192.43
2014 Counting Stars - One Republic 195.11
2013 When I Was Your Man -Bruno Mars 196.27
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Post by Groovy on Apr 24, 2021 21:06:09 GMT -5
But seriously, just look at every Maroon 5 song with a rapper in it, it's all literally the same thing.
Verse 1: Adam Levine singing about whatever
Pre-chorus
Chorus
Verse 2: Adam Levine singing about whatever
Chorus
Guest rapper verse
Chorus
Rinse and repeat
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 24, 2021 21:44:01 GMT -5
But seriously, just look at every Maroon 5 song with a rapper in it, it's all literally the same thing. Verse 1: Adam Levine singing about whatever Pre-chorus Chorus Verse 2: Adam Levine singing about whatever Chorus Guest rapper verse Chorus Rinse and repeat That’s literally... nearly every song with a featured rapper? |
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Apr 24, 2021 21:44:16 GMT -5
But seriously, just look at every Maroon 5 song with a rapper in it, it's all literally the same thing. Verse 1: Adam Levine singing about whatever Pre-chorus Chorus Verse 2: Adam Levine singing about whatever Chorus Guest rapper verse Chorus Rinse and repeat Um, okay? Most pop songs have the same structure. And most of their singles don’t even have rappers on them |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 24, 2021 22:29:54 GMT -5
just went back to compare the #1 song on radio's audience numbers on April 24th all the way back to 2013. this year was by far the lowest . last year at this time was higher than the year before. 2021 Leave The Door Open- Silk Sonic 91.17 2020 Blinding Lights -The Weeknd 152.44 2019 Sucker -Jonas Brothers 132.76 2018 Meant To Be- Bebe Rexha ft FGL 201.53 2017 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran 248.97 2016 Love Yourself - Justin Bieber 169.68 2015 Earned It - The Weeknd 192.43 2014 Counting Stars - One Republic 195.11 2013 When I Was Your Man -Bruno Mars 196.27 Great list, but 2014 should have been Happy, which was at 273.57 (three weeks after setting a record 305.41), while Counting Stars was down to #9 at 109.46: kworb.net/radio/archives/20140424.htmlIf I remember correctly, Meant To Be was the last to reach 200M aud. |
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Post by Groovy on Apr 24, 2021 23:36:07 GMT -5
But seriously, just look at every Maroon 5 song with a rapper in it, it's all literally the same thing. Verse 1: Adam Levine singing about whatever Pre-chorus Chorus Verse 2: Adam Levine singing about whatever Chorus Guest rapper verse Chorus Rinse and repeat Um, okay? Most pop songs have the same structure. And most of their singles don’t even have rappers on them A good chunk of their hit do have rappers in them. |
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Post by Groovy on Apr 24, 2021 23:42:13 GMT -5
But seriously, just look at every Maroon 5 song with a rapper in it, it's all literally the same thing. Verse 1: Adam Levine singing about whatever Pre-chorus Chorus Verse 2: Adam Levine singing about whatever Chorus Guest rapper verse Chorus Rinse and repeat That’s literally... nearly every song with a featured rapper? I mean you’re not wrong but that’s not what I’m arguing. |
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Post by iamsorare on Apr 25, 2021 4:20:28 GMT -5
Maroon 5 is a pop band... their songs don't sound the same..they are just the same genre! POP! With this logic all the Katy Perry's songs sounds the same,all Selena's songs sounds the same, taylor swift's songs sounds the same ,all weeknd's songs sounds the same,all post malone's songs sounds the same and all Gaga's songs sounds the same!!
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 25, 2021 5:46:52 GMT -5
That’s literally... nearly every song with a featured rapper? I mean you’re not wrong but that’s what I’m arguing. That's a general structure for most songs period, not even just pop songs. Trade out "rap verse" for "bridge" and it fits a ton of songs (many of which don't even have a pre-chorus). You have Kacey Musgraves in your avatar. Many songs on Golden Hour have that structure, some of which don't even have a bridge. Are you also suggesting her songs all sound the same? |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 25, 2021 5:47:50 GMT -5
Um, okay? Most pop songs have the same structure. And most of their singles don’t even have rappers on them A good chunk of their hit do have rappers in them. Well, let's have the data speak for itself, shall we? Considering their post-"Overexposed" output only, of course (since you'd be foolish to target their 2000s material). Top 10 hits with a rap feature: "Payphone", "Don't Wanna Know", "Cold", and "Girls Like You" Honorable Mention: "Moves Like Jagger" (since Christina's presence fits within the aforementioned structure) Top 10 hits WITHOUT a rap feature: "One More Night", "Daylight", "Love Somebody", "Maps" (also has a distinct pre-chorus + post-chorus), "Animals", "Sugar", "What Lovers Do" (a duet), and "Memories" (pretty uniform melodically). 4 vs. 8 |
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 25, 2021 5:58:25 GMT -5
There are several reasons why Maroon 5's songs are way too big hits compared to anything by other artists, but structure isn't really one of them.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 25, 2021 6:03:00 GMT -5
There are several reasons why Maroon 5's songs are way too big hits compared to anything by other artists, but structure isn't really one of them. Well, part of song construction and, in a sense, structure is the melody, and I'd argue their songs usually have a solid melody. Maroon 5 clearly know how to use the conventions of pop music to make easily digestible music. If it were as simple/easy as that sounds, a lot more acts would be as successful. But they're not. |
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 25, 2021 6:06:52 GMT -5
But surely part of their/his dominance on pop radio is about how established they/he is? (I use singular because M5 is only a brand these days, the songs are written by Adam and other people outside the group)
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 25, 2021 6:08:09 GMT -5
There are several reasons why Maroon 5's songs are way too big hits compared to anything by other artists, but structure isn't really one of them. Well, part of song construction and, in a sense, structure is the melody, and I'd argue their songs usually have a solid melody. Maroon 5 clearly know how to use the conventions of pop music to make easily digestible music. If it were as simple/easy as that sounds, a lot more acts would be as successful. But they're not. Familiarity also plays a role, I believe, since they've been scoring hits since 2003. This is particularly important in airplay, where it seems radio programmers prefer to stick with releases from established acts, and feel more hesitant to play songs from newcomers. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 25, 2021 6:17:08 GMT -5
Well, part of song construction and, in a sense, structure is the melody, and I'd argue their songs usually have a solid melody. Maroon 5 clearly know how to use the conventions of pop music to make easily digestible music. If it were as simple/easy as that sounds, a lot more acts would be as successful. But they're not. Familiarity also plays a role, I believe, since they've been scoring hits since 2003. This is particularly important in airplay, where it seems radio programmers prefer to stick with releases from established acts, and feel more hesitant to play songs from newcomers. I'm looking at the current top 10 at Top 40 radio, and at least half of the acts in the top 10 are new from the past few years. The Weeknd and Ariana take up a few slots and are new from the past decade. Isn't Bieber the only act in the current top 10 that has been having hits for at least 10 years? Maroon 5 has had more longevity than all of them. |
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 25, 2021 6:23:24 GMT -5
And that is the most bizarre thing. Practically anyone else (from Justin Timberlake to Beyoncé, from Gwen Stefani to Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus) can't get even 20% of the CHR airplay M5 still get. There must be more than just "good songs".
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 25, 2021 6:25:11 GMT -5
jenglisbe Of course, radio has to catch up on what's hot on streaming, so it's only natural acts like Olivia Rodrigo and 24kGoldn would score radio hits. However (and I should have stressed this before), the pattern I've noticed is that more established acts (and radio darlings) like Maroon 5, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, and Bruno Mars have a much easier time gaining in audience impressions, which gives them an advantage on their chart success. One current example is Ariana's "pov" steadily rising all this time despite no notable playlisting, while streaming smashes like "deja vu", "Good Days", "HEARTBREAK ANNIVERSARY", and "Back In Blood" are significantly below it on radio estimates. Enigma. It seems to me that what's been helping Maroon 5 to stay relevant is the lack of any mainstream band. Back in the day, you had Pearl Jam, U2, Nickelback, Coldplay, and Daughtry filling in the radio-friendly niche. But you barely have anything these days. Imagine Dragons, twenty one pilots, and Panic! At The Disco don't have as much pull and consistency compared to Maroon 5, so they're a much safer choice to push with guaranteed positive reception. Just my take on it, of course.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 25, 2021 6:28:57 GMT -5
jenglisbe Of course, radio has to catch up on what's hot on streaming, so it's only natural acts like Olivia Rodrigo and 24kGoldn would score radio hits. However (and I should have stressed this before), the pattern I've noticed is that more established acts (and radio darlings) like Maroon 5, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, and Bruno Mars have a much easier time gaining in audience impressions, which gives them an advantage on their chart success. One current example is Ariana's "pov" steadily rising all this time despite no notable playlisting, while streaming smashes like "deja vu", "Good Days", "HEARTBREAK ANNIVERSARY", and "Back In Blood" are significantly below it on radio estimates. Oh sure. It can be annoying, but I think it's natural. Of course radio would embrace a known quantity more easily than something unknown. I'm sure that has been true throughout the history of radio (and the industry as a whole). |
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Post by spiritboy on Apr 25, 2021 6:56:31 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_BooneYou later saying rap, metal, and country are the worst genres is what I expected given I've seen of your post history; it seems you hate any style of music that isn't the most WASP-y stuff possible. At the same time I pity someone whose experience of art seems so isolated and incurious, and am also glad not everyone is as narrow-minded as you. Get a life, this is a music forum, not everything is so deep and serious. |
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Post by Groovy on Apr 25, 2021 8:03:59 GMT -5
A good chunk of their hit do have rappers in them. Well, let's have the data speak for itself, shall we? Considering their post-"Overexposed" output only, of course (since you'd be foolish to target their 2000s material). Top 10 hits with a rap feature: "Payphone", "Don't Wanna Know", "Cold", and "Girls Like You" Honorable Mention: "Moves Like Jagger" (since Christina's presence fits within the aforementioned structure) Top 10 hits WITHOUT a rap feature: "One More Night", "Daylight", "Love Somebody", "Maps" (also has a distinct pre-chorus + post-chorus), "Animals", "Sugar", "What Lovers Do" (a duet), and "Memories" (pretty uniform melodically). 4 vs. 8 Throw in Beautiful Mistakes and Wait, they weren’t in the top 10 but were still hits. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 25, 2021 8:24:33 GMT -5
Groovy "Wait" did get a remix with A Boogie Wit da Hoodie, but the music video features the solo version, and that's the one which got credited by Billboard throughout the song's run (unlike "Don't Wanna Know"), so it doesn't count. I was hesitating to put "Beautiful Mistakes" on the list, since I imagine it's bound to become a top 10 hit eventually, but if you want to expand the list to top 25 hits, I'll give you "This Summer" (and Lord knows that one is anything but generic and safe in structure/sound). 5 vs. 10
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