Billboard Hot 100: 05/08/2021

[iHype.]

Apr 23, 2021 17:13:05 GMT -5 Gary said:

Apr 23, 2021 16:38:48 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

What about Michael Jackson’s Bad (1987-1989)?

1987: I Just Can’t Stop Loving You and Bad
1988: The Way You Make Me Feel and Man In the Mirror
1989: Dirty Diana

Depends on how Save Your Tears at #1 gets credited

Save Your Tears - the remix is not on the album

That's not how it works considering Billboard counts "Bad Blood" as a #1 from 1989.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Apr 23, 2021 14:10:01 GMT -5 leoapp said:

If SYT hits no. 1, The Weeknd will be only the 2nd artist, exactly 30 years, since Janet with Rhythm Nation, to have an album scoring at least 1 Hot 100 no. 1 in 3 different years.
- Janet 1989, 1990, 1991
- The Weeknd 2019, 2020, 2021
of course none of Janet's no 1s needed remix.

It depends on definition of remix. I believe 'Black Cat' and 'Love Will Never Do' were both remixed for the single/radio. Same for Top 5s 'Alright' and 'Come Back to Me.' So 4 of the 7 released singles were altered from their RN1814 version.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 23, 2021 18:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

To only those who bought the album and not just the single Sure.

Nowadays all widely available for free and every track can chart from day one.

The remix with Ariana hasn't been, which is what will push this to #1 if it gets there.

[bigolefreak]

Moneybagg Yo's new album occupying a lot of space on Apple Music, all tracks in the Top 60

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{Spoiler}(#2, #4, #6, #8, #9, #12, #13, #15, #17, #20, #26, #28, #30, #31, #33, #37, #38, #39, #41, #45, #51, #52, #55)

Go king but thats kinda blocking the new entries from H.E.R./Chris Brown (#57) and Young Thug/DaBaby (#63) and Save Your Tears Remix (SYT is like my favorite song of the year so far & I love Ari but I didn't like this remix) is at #34

[WolfSpear]

There’s a bit of a difference between single/album mixes and a complete remix that adds a new artist...

I doubt anyone will have a #1 in 3 straight years from one album without modifying the original release. It’s possible but unlikely with the way the labels are pushing things these days.

[Gary]

Apr 23, 2021 19:50:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 23, 2021 18:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

To only those who bought the album and not just the single Sure.

Nowadays all widely available for free and every track can chart from day one.

The remix with Ariana hasn't been, which is what will push this to #1 if it gets there.

Well anyway -

The original item that started this - 'After Hours' will be the first album since whenever to have #1's from 3 different calendar years

If we consider the Ariana remix to be on the original album and it hits #1 as expected - then the statement is true. Not a big deal

[jenglisbe]

Apr 23, 2021 20:11:44 GMT -5 WolfSpear said:

There’s a bit of a difference between single/album mixes and a complete remix that adds a new artist...

I doubt anyone will have a #1 in 3 straight years from one album without modifying the original release. It’s possible but unlikely with the way the labels are pushing things these days.

Another way it could happen is having enough pre-release singles do well that by the time the album drops, a couple of #1s have happened and then a new single goes on to top the chart.

[renfield75]

Apr 23, 2021 18:27:50 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Apr 23, 2021 17:13:05 GMT -5 Gary said:

Depends on how Save Your Tears at #1 gets credited

Save Your Tears - the remix is not on the album

That's not how it works considering Billboard counts "Bad Blood" as a #1 from 1989.

Same with Katy Perry's "E.T." being one of the 5 number ones from Teenage Dream. The Kanye version, which is what went to #1, wasn't originally on the album.

[randomguy]

If "The One That Got Away" hit #1 in either week it peaked at #3, it would have given Katy #1's in three different years for Teenage Dream.

[jenglisbe]

The opposite is Saturday Night Fever collecting four #1s within 5 months.

[iHype.]

Apr 23, 2021 21:03:41 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Apr 23, 2021 18:27:50 GMT -5 iHype. said:

That's not how it works considering Billboard counts "Bad Blood" as a #1 from 1989.

Same with Katy Perry's "E.T." being one of the 5 number ones from Teenage Dream. The Kanye version, which is what went to #1, wasn't originally on the album.

Speaking of Teenage Dream era, I wonder why Billboard kept continuing to count Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad as having 3 #1's, and Usher's Confessions as having 4 #1's when they then decided "Part of Me" wouldn't count as the album's 6th #1 single due to being a re-release single.

"Disturbia" and "My Boo" were never on the original versions of their albums. Billboard continued to count them as #1's for the album years after they didn't count "Part of Me". Had they gone by that precedent set, Katy would also have an album that had #1's in 3 separate years (as well as the single album with most number ones).

That's probably one of the few times I'd argue politics/personal agendas dictated their decision making....

[jenglisbe]

Apr 23, 2021 22:04:37 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Apr 23, 2021 21:03:41 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Same with Katy Perry's "E.T." being one of the 5 number ones from Teenage Dream. The Kanye version, which is what went to #1, wasn't originally on the album.

Speaking of Teenage Dream era, I wonder why Billboard kept continuing to count Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad as having 3 #1's, and Usher's Confessions as having 4 #1's when they then decided "Part of Me" wouldn't count as the album's 6th #1 single due to being a re-release single.

"Disturbia" and "My Boo" were never on the original versions of their albums. Billboard continued to count them as #1's for the album years after they didn't count "Part of Me". Had they gone by that precedent set, Katy would also have an album that had #1's in 3 separate years (as well as the single album with most number ones).

That's probably one of the few times I'd argue politics/personal agendas dictated their decision making....

They perhaps realized after the fact that their policy was lame and changed it moving forward.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 23, 2021 14:10:01 GMT -5 leoapp said:

If SYT hits no. 1, The Weeknd will be only the 2nd artist, exactly 30 years, since Janet with Rhythm Nation, to have an album scoring at least 1 Hot 100 no. 1 in 3 different years.
- Janet 1989, 1990, 1991
- The Weeknd 2019, 2020, 2021
of course none of Janet's no 1s needed remix.

Different eras. How remixes worked and affected the charts then isn't the same how remixes impact the charts nowadays

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

^ that also makes me consider Whitney’s 7 consecutive chart toppers. That would be way more difficult to achieve today for a slew of reasons. I remember debating whether or not Madonna or Drake had a harder time racking up 37+ Top 10s, and I still haven’t come to a conclusion.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Apr 23, 2021 22:54:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 23, 2021 22:04:37 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Speaking of Teenage Dream era, I wonder why Billboard kept continuing to count Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad as having 3 #1's, and Usher's Confessions as having 4 #1's when they then decided "Part of Me" wouldn't count as the album's 6th #1 single due to being a re-release single.

"Disturbia" and "My Boo" were never on the original versions of their albums. Billboard continued to count them as #1's for the album years after they didn't count "Part of Me". Had they gone by that precedent set, Katy would also have an album that had #1's in 3 separate years (as well as the single album with most number ones).

That's probably one of the few times I'd argue politics/personal agendas dictated their decision making....

They perhaps realized after the fact that their policy was lame and changed it moving forward.

I’m pretty sure they have referenced Usher’s four number ones from Confessions after Part Of Me was not counted as a sixth from Teenage Dream for some article. I’d be more understanding if they didn’t reference any re-release number ones after that point but they still seem to maintain the ones that happened pre-Part Of Me as being part of their parent album, and Part Of Me not. Maybe they changed their stance in more recent years but I haven’t seen it come up in a while.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

This will never not be funny

[nathanalbright]

Since when did we expect Billboard to be consistent about that sort of thing?

[iamsorare]

Apr 24, 2021 0:17:31 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

This will never not be funny

congratulations to him for scoring another hit with a weird-controversial video, superbowl push, radio payola,ariana grande remix

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 24, 2021 0:45:18 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Apr 24, 2021 0:17:31 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

This will never not be funny

congratulations to him for scoring another hit with a weird-controversial video, superbowl push, radio payola,ariana grande remix

Doesn't matter how he got the hit, he got it nonetheless and it's one of the biggest songs in the world (It's still in the top 5 of the global charts excl. US) 

Just take the L and say you were wrong lol.

[iamsorare]

Apr 24, 2021 1:05:44 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Apr 24, 2021 0:45:18 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

congratulations to him for scoring another hit with a weird-controversial video, superbowl push, radio payola,ariana grande remix

Doesn't matter how he got the hit, he got it nonetheless and it's one of the biggest songs in the world (It's still in the top 5 of the global charts excl. US) 

Just take the L and say you were wrong lol.

It doesn't change the fact that all his previous eras ended with the second single..oh wow he scored a third hit in this era..what an improvement lol..

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 24, 2021 1:26:40 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Apr 24, 2021 1:05:44 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Doesn't matter how he got the hit, he got it nonetheless and it's one of the biggest songs in the world (It's still in the top 5 of the global charts excl. US) 

Just take the L and say you were wrong lol.

It doesn't change the fact that all his previous eras ended with the second single..oh wow he scored a third hit in this era..what an improvement lol..

You can't have any fun at your expense, can you lmao?

Don't move the goal post, the previous eras don't matter: you said he wouldn't have another hit this era and he did. Just admit you were were proven wrong.

[Enigma.]

Also, the second single happens to be the biggest chart hit of all time.

However, I too had my doubts when Heartless dropped from #1, but BL is genius so it was always about to do well to some extent (not *this* well though).

[leoapp]

Apr 23, 2021 23:56:03 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Apr 23, 2021 22:54:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

They perhaps realized after the fact that their policy was lame and changed it moving forward.

I’m pretty sure they have referenced Usher’s four number ones from Confessions after Part Of Me was not counted as a sixth from Teenage Dream for some article. I’d be more understanding if they didn’t reference any re-release number ones after that point but they still seem to maintain the ones that happened pre-Part Of Me as being part of their parent album, and Part Of Me not. Maybe they changed their stance in more recent years but I haven’t seen it come up in a while.

Probably...not sure.... if Katy suddenly released Peacock (the original song from Teenage Dream album) after the 2nd single from Teenage Dream re-release, Wide Awake, Billboard would be even more confused.
Would Billboard counted Part Of Me as the 6th no. 1 from Teenage Dream, making it a record for Katy (beating MJ), since Peacock would've been considered as the 8th single.
Or maybe, because Teenage Dream was re-released almost 2 years after the original (too long gap) , Part Of Me would've never been considered as the 6th no. 1 in any condition.
Any other example, a re-release with almost 2 years gap after original release???

These examples below, there were re-release albums BUT still within about 1 year after the original release. And another single (from original version) was released after 1 / 2 singles (from the re-release version):

*Mariah's TEO (Say Something-from original album, released after the no. 1 Dont Forget About Us-from re-release). Billboard counted TEOM with 2 Hot 100 no.1s.

*Usher's Confession (Caught Up-from original album, released after the no. 1 My Boo-from re-release). Billboard counted Confession with 4 Hot 100 no. 1s

*Rihanna's GGGB era (Rehab-from original album, released after the no. 1 Disturbia-from re-release). Billboard counted GGGB with 3 Hot 100 no. 1s

Let's wait, if SYT remix hits no. 1, would Billboard mention about After Hours being "the second album scoring Hot 100 no. 1s in 3 separate years since Janet...." or not.

[saintdesanta]

just now listening to the SYT remix, I think Savage Remix spoilt me lol I was expecting more than what we got tbh.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Apr 24, 2021 1:26:40 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Apr 24, 2021 1:05:44 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Doesn't matter how he got the hit, he got it nonetheless and it's one of the biggest songs in the world (It's still in the top 5 of the global charts excl. US) 

Just take the L and say you were wrong lol.

It doesn't change the fact that all his previous eras ended with the second single..oh wow he scored a third hit in this era..what an improvement lol..

"Starboy" failed to get any hits after the second single - that's true, but it was because the era was so poorly managed. "Reminder", "Sidewalks", and "Die For You" could have easily been moderate to smash hits had the rollout been better.

As for "Beauty Behind The Madness", this statement is flat-out wrong. Firstly because technically speaking, "Earned It" was included in the album, so he had three top 5 hits.
But even without considering that, the first single was "Often", then came the double-punch of "Can't Feel My Face" + "The Hills", and he still scored a nice top 15 hit with "In The Night". 

Also, don't forget "In Your Eyes" did pretty well in European countries + Canada.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Apr 24, 2021 0:45:18 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Apr 24, 2021 0:17:31 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

This will never not be funny

congratulations to him for scoring another hit with a weird-controversial video, superbowl push, radio payola,ariana grande remix

this kind of BS is rare to see, I'll give you that

[ontopofthis]

After Hours getting a third number one has people on here going insane

[Limited Edition]

Apr 24, 2021 5:48:51 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Apr 24, 2021 1:26:40 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

It doesn't change the fact that all his previous eras ended with the second single..oh wow he scored a third hit in this era..what an improvement lol..

"Starboy" failed to get any hits after the second single - that's true, but it was because the era was so poorly managed. "Reminder", "Sidewalks", and "Die For You" could have easily been moderate to smash hits had the rollout been better.

As for "Beauty Behind The Madness", this statement is flat-out wrong. Firstly because technically speaking, "Earned It" was included in the album, so he had three top 5 hits.
But even without considering that, the first single was "Often", then came the double-punch of "Can't Feel My Face" + "The Hills", and he still scored a nice top 15 hit with "In The Night". 

Also, don't forget "In Your Eyes" did pretty well in European countries + Canada.

In Your Eyes was in fact a bigger hit than Heartless. Streams on Spotify:
-In Your Eyes 550M (including Doja remix) in 13 months
-Heartless 413M in 17 months

[iamsorare]

Apr 24, 2021 6:04:58 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Apr 24, 2021 0:45:18 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

congratulations to him for scoring another hit with a weird-controversial video, superbowl push, radio payola,ariana grande remix

this kind of BS is rare to see, I'll give you that

Did you see the bad callout scores ? The song obviously didn't rise organically on radio

[WolfSpear]

It’s true that “E.T.” was remixed with Kanye and that’s the version that topped. With that in mind, you could make a case for “Save Your Tears” even if it features Ariana now...

I still don’t consider Usher’s “Confessions” as part of the four number one hits club. The idea of re-releasing an album with new songs was an entirely new concept at the turn of the century. I can understand why they credit him with the feat... but like the two above, it may very well deserve an asterisk or it’s own category. I would suggest splitting this between 20th and 21st century due to marketing strategies.

The last album to spawn 4 charttoppers without any gimmicks or re-releases would indeed by Mariah Carey’s debut. But again, this is a different era of time altogether. Don’t get me wrong, Usher and Katy were truly red hot, but it’s a slight bend to draw a direct comparison.