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Post by jthentic on Apr 29, 2021 13:16:35 GMT -5
Things look bright for MGK this year too.
3 bbma noms
Mebf might enter top20 this/nxt week
His new track with Kellin Quinn (Sleeping with Sirens) is so good, jst hit top 10 on Itunes, hope there's decent streaming for it to chart (few alt stations twted that it's been added)
He's Ellen & NFL draft performance coming up
His ttmd Tour tickets were sold out in mins & the album is gaining on sales & AM too.....
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Post by iHype. on Apr 29, 2021 13:40:03 GMT -5
Will Billboard finally announce the remaining rankings on their Artist of the Decade chart on this year's BBMAs? Though we already know where's who, I just really want it to be official. π Itβs supposed to be announced there. www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/top-artistsDo we know how Billboard is counting Facebook music video streams now that they're inlcuded? Are they using the official FB stream numbers even though its only based on a view being 3 seconds? They definitely have their own tracking rules that have to be met that differ from Facebookβs count. Thatβs why streaming numbers have had minimal change for hits since they started counting. In reality music videos probably get very few filtered real views from Facebook. |
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Post by code on Apr 29, 2021 13:48:47 GMT -5
A late last-minute addition to KHALED KHALED is Big Paper with Cardi B Her second song of 2021 and just got nominated for 4 BBMAs earlier. Go Cardi! LOL we're even getting late album updates like 2016 |
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Post by tommy1860 on Apr 29, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -5
So since it looks like Save Your Tears is gonna be at 1, when was the last time an album had three or more number 1s in three years? The only other album to have 3 number ones in 3 years was Janet Jacksonβs Rhythm Nation 1814. It had Miss You Much in 1989, Escapade and Black Cat in 1990 and Love Will Never Do Without You in 1991. So itβs been 30 years. |
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Post by gwennygwengwen on Apr 29, 2021 13:51:40 GMT -5
Do we know how Billboard is counting Facebook music video streams now that they're inlcuded? Are they using the official FB stream numbers even though its only based on a view being 3 seconds? They definitely have their own tracking rules that have to be met that differ from Facebookβs count. Thatβs why streaming numbers have had minimal change for hits since they started counting. In reality music videos probably get very few filtered real views from Facebook. Thanks! Just started a new thread about this before seeing your response! Has there been any explanation of specifically how they're doing it? |
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Post by Groovy on Apr 29, 2021 14:10:00 GMT -5
Still waiting on Adele, Drake, Rihanna, Kendrick Lamar, Lorde, Ed Sheeran and others to announce their release dates. The Weeknd and Silk Sonic have projects that too will most likely release this year too. 2021 is gonna be jam-packed as hell. Now we just need Rihanna to announce something. Post Malone too |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 29, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -5
So since it looks like Save Your Tears is gonna be at 1, when was the last time an album had three or more number 1s in three years? The only other album to have 3 number ones in 3 years was Janet Jacksonβs Rhythm Nation 1814. It had Miss You Much in 1989, Escapade and Black Cat in 1990 and Love Will Never Do Without You in 1991. So itβs been 30 years. If Travis Scott ever releases Utopia, he may join the list if he includes Highest in the Room (2019) and either The Scotts or Franchise (from 2020). Travis is the king of #1 debuts, and Iβm pretty sure heβd be able to get one of the new tracks to debut at #1. |
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Post by Groovy on Apr 29, 2021 14:39:49 GMT -5
So since it looks like Save Your Tears is gonna be at 1, when was the last time an album had three or more number 1s in three years? The only other album to have 3 number ones in 3 years was Janet Jacksonβs Rhythm Nation 1814. It had Miss You Much in 1989, Escapade and Black Cat in 1990 and Love Will Never Do Without You in 1991. So itβs been 30 years. Wouldnβt Teenage Dream be one too? I know Part of Me was a part of the complete edition but shouldnβt it still count? |
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 29, 2021 14:49:22 GMT -5
New Billie Eilish is incredible and a VERY bold move to release as a single given its lyrics. Obviously its biggest impact will be next week but Iβm really excited to see if or where it debuts on this chart since it seems to be doing really well out of the gate on YouTube and is gaining fast on iTunes
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Post by tommy1860 on Apr 29, 2021 16:04:47 GMT -5
The only other album to have 3 number ones in 3 years was Janet Jacksonβs Rhythm Nation 1814. It had Miss You Much in 1989, Escapade and Black Cat in 1990 and Love Will Never Do Without You in 1991. So itβs been 30 years. Wouldnβt Teenage Dream be one too? I know Part of Me was a part of the complete edition but shouldnβt it still count? I was just looking at the original release, but yes, if you include the deluxe edition, it would be. Thatβs the only other album thatβs coming to mind for me thatβs had 3 number ones over 3 years, but there may be something Iβm missing with the deluxe editions. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 29, 2021 16:56:55 GMT -5
If the remix were added to the album. After Hours would probably fall under the deluxe edition category too
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Post by 85la on Apr 29, 2021 17:06:38 GMT -5
If the remix were added to the album. After Hours would probably fall under the deluxe edition category too That's an interesting debate, because the remix's streaming, if i understand correctly, will count towards the original album's SPS, even though the original album only contains the original version of SYT. If the remix already counts towards the original, then logically and consistently speaking, it already counts as a third #1 single from the album. |
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Post by Mayman on Apr 29, 2021 17:14:44 GMT -5
Gary's always so annoying π. This will be the THIRD number one from this album, period.
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Post by Gary on Apr 29, 2021 18:08:03 GMT -5
If the remix were added to the album. After Hours would probably fall under the deluxe edition category too That's an interesting debate, because the remix's streaming, if i understand correctly, will count towards the original album's SPS, even though the original album only contains the original version of SYT. If the remix already counts towards the original, then logically and consistently speaking, it already counts as a third #1 single from the album. I was referring to tracks on the original album release of course. The "gray area" as to what comes from the album hits I think especially in the streaming area for a number of things: All the advance stand alone singles that come out that get added to the album later. Also the return within the last year of the one-off remixes that happen late in the chart run to bumpa song to #1. Deluxe edition albums are back too. Also music is more of a playlist driven market now rather than an album format. All that put together makes it kind of gray area as to what is from the original album and what isn't. I would be surprised if Billboard writes about it that this is the third number one from the album in the third calendar year simply because the album format really isn't the focus but I could be wrong. |
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Post by whales10268 on Apr 29, 2021 18:27:44 GMT -5
βThree number ones from an album in separate yearsβ is a very arbitrary achievement with too many qualifiers for me to care.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Apr 29, 2021 18:31:24 GMT -5
Kind of hoping there's like 20 more Beatbox remixes and it goes number one at this point. If Billboard is gonna have stupid rules they deserve to be exploited.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Apr 29, 2021 18:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by Abbaschand on Apr 29, 2021 18:48:04 GMT -5
Looking at all of these releases made me wonder.  |
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Apr 29, 2021 19:15:50 GMT -5
random fact
artists with multiple #1s the last 5 years (since May 7, 2016):
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Drake (One Dance, God's Plan, Nice For What, In My Feelings, Toosie Slide, What's Next)
Ariana Grande (thank u, next, 7 rings, stuck with u, Rain On Me, positions, Save Your Tears)
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Cardi B (Bodak Yellow, I Like It, Girls Like You, WAP, Up)
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The Weeknd (Starboy, Heartless, Blinding Lights, Save Your Tears)
Justin Bieber (I'm The One, Despacito, stuck with u, Peaches)
Post Malone (rockstar, Psycho, Sunflower, Circles)
Travis Scott (SICKO MODE, Highest In The Room, The Scotts, Franchise)
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Taylor Swift (Look What You Made Me Do, cardigan, willow)
BTS (Dynamite, Savage Love, Life Goes On)
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Ed Sheeran (Shape Of You, Perfect)
Bruno Mars (That's What I Like, Leave The Door Open)
Beyonce (Perfect, Savage)
Camila Cabello (Havana, Senorita)
Nicki Minaj (Say So, Trollz)
Lil Nas X (Old Town Road, Montero)
Halsey (Closer, Without Me)
Lady Gaga (Shallow, Rain On Me)
Roddy Ricch (The Box, ROCKSTAR)
Megan Thee Stallion (Savage, WAP)
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 29, 2021 19:20:40 GMT -5
If the remix were added to the album. After Hours would probably fall under the deluxe edition category too That's an interesting debate, because the remix's streaming, if i understand correctly, will count towards the original album's SPS, even though the original album only contains the original version of SYT. If the remix already counts towards the original, then logically and consistently speaking, it already counts as a third #1 single from the album. Bad Blood was an early example. It was never added to the album, yet somehow contributed 1989's SPS and movement on Top 200. It's pretty easy to segregate versions - it seems logical that only versions that are available on the album should count for album charts. It's bad enough that single track - even if they aren't on the album - count for all album charts. Yet, those same tracks aren't credited on the single charts if a consumer purchases the entire physical/digital album, but they do count if they are streamed. It defies logic. |
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Post by iamsorare on Apr 29, 2021 19:32:55 GMT -5
It's time for beautiful mistakes and my ex's best friend to go top 20..
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 29, 2021 20:25:07 GMT -5
Idk why the remixes thing is suddenly such an issue. In the 90s, remixes and radio mixes were super common and they always counted as being from the original versionβs parent album. Then you have alternate or shortened versions of songs. The radio cut of Itβs All Coming Back To Me Now isnβt on Falling Into You. Should we not count that as the version from the album because itβs been edited? Or Natalie Merchantβs radio mix of Jealousy as the third single from her Tigerlily album? The radio remix of Come On Pver Baby by Christina? (Although I think her album was re-released with that mix replacing the original).
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 29, 2021 21:00:37 GMT -5
Idk why the remixes thing is suddenly such an issue. In the 90s, remixes and radio mixes were super common and they always counted as being from the original versionβs parent album. Then you have alternate or shortened versions of songs. The radio cut of Itβs All Coming Back To Me Now isnβt on Falling Into You. Should we not count that as the version from the album because itβs been edited? Or Natalie Merchantβs radio mix of Jealousy as the third single from her Tigerlily album? The radio remix of Come On Pver Baby by Christina? (Although I think her album was re-released with that mix replacing the original). Well, the issue now is more about whether those remixes count toward the actual album, no? In the 90s the remixes counted toward the Hot 100 points for that single, which is separate from the album in terms of charts. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 29, 2021 22:21:31 GMT -5
Idk why the remixes thing is suddenly such an issue. In the 90s, remixes and radio mixes were super common and they always counted as being from the original versionβs parent album. Then you have alternate or shortened versions of songs. The radio cut of Itβs All Coming Back To Me Now isnβt on Falling Into You. Should we not count that as the version from the album because itβs been edited? Or Natalie Merchantβs radio mix of Jealousy as the third single from her Tigerlily album? The radio remix of Come On Pver Baby by Christina? (Although I think her album was re-released with that mix replacing the original). Well, the issue now is more about whether those remixes count toward the actual album, no? In the 90s the remixes counted toward the Hot 100 points for that single, which is separate from the album in terms of charts. Based on the way Billboard counts songs toward albums, I think this is the least of their problems. The discussion Iβve read was about whether remixes count toward an album for bragging rights - but maybe I missed something along the way? |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 29, 2021 22:36:08 GMT -5
Well, the issue now is more about whether those remixes count toward the actual album, no? In the 90s the remixes counted toward the Hot 100 points for that single, which is separate from the album in terms of charts. Based on the way Billboard counts songs toward albums, I think this is the least of their problems. The discussion Iβve read was about whether remixes count toward an album for bragging rights - but maybe I missed something along the way? I was referring to counting on the album charts only. There's been single remixes since the 70's - for example, all 3 'Fleetwood Mac' Top 20 singles were remixed for the single/radio in 1976, but those sales were never tied to the album's placement on the BB200 in any way. The 'Bad Blood' and 'Save Your Tears' examples are different because non-album SPS counts on the album charts now, despite not being on the album. It's really not a big deal. My bigger issue has to do with the fact when a physical/digital album is purchased, the individual tracks don't count on the H100, but they do if they are streamed. So if I stream the AH album, those stream count for B200 and H100. However, if I buy AH, it only counts for B200. That's illogical. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 30, 2021 2:16:13 GMT -5
US Spotify - 04/28/21
1(=) Polo G - RAPSTAR 1,689,144 (-29,964)
2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,639,114 (+3,800)
3(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 1,386,061 (-10,596)
4(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches 1,174,781 (-20,731)
5(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 1,085,802 (-7,798)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 1,047,883 (-18,643)
7(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 925,937 (-62,799)
8(=) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 878,275 (-11,278)
9(=) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 828,074 (-14,143)
10(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 800,168 (-3,050)
Others:
11(=) Cardi B - Up 762,284 (-9,180)
12(=) Drake - Wants and Needs 707,556 (-17,476)
13(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 681,773 (-5,020)
14(+2) Lil Tjay, 6LACK - Calling My Phone 669,514 (+4,873)
15(=) Kali Uchis - telepatΓa 668,185 (-4,323)
16(-2) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Solid 655,068 (-21,318)
17(=) Olivia Rodrigo - drivers license 652,986 (-185)
18(=) SZA - Good Days 625,651 (-11,397)
19(=) Doja Cat - Streets 620,083 (-1,191)
20(=) Saweetie - Best Friend 605,167 (-7,643)
21(=) Drake - What's Next 580,384 (-5,958)
23(=) Lil Tjay - Headshot 541,616 (-4,509)
25(=) Pooh Shiesty - Back in Blood 538,104 (+8,056)
26(=) Justin Bieber - Hold On 488,624 (-9,981)
27(=) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 488,211 (-2,536)
28(=) Maroon 5 - Beautiful Mistakes 480,248 (-9,046)
30(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 464,563 (-6,332)
32(-1) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 457,570 (-1,474)
33(+1) AURORA - Runaway 436,134 (-901)
34(-1) Lil Tjay - Run It Up 432,721 (-16,762)
36(=) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Ski 413,800 (-7,062)
37(=) Travis Scott, HVME - Goosebumps 404,723 (-4,474)
38(=) Kevin Gates - Big Gangsta 403,128 (+14,911)
41(-2) Taylor Swift - Mr. Perfectly Fine 375,964 (-9,750)
42(+2) 42 Dugg - 4 Da Gang 371,484 (+1,624)
44(+1) Los Legendarios, Wisin, Jhay Cortez - Fiel 365,404 (-2,672)
45(-2) MoneyBagg Yo - Shottas (Lala) 362,986 (-14,452)
46(+2) SpotemGottem - Beat Box 3 361,118 (+7,859)
51(=) Rod Wave - Richer 343,094 (-1,986)
56(-2) Beach Bunny - Cloud 9 338,845 (-733)
57(+3) Duncan Laurence - Arcade 337,305 (+6,058)
58(+3) Luke Combs - Forever After All 336,638 (+6,420)
62(-3) MoneyBagg Yo - Time Today 329,317 (-4,659)
71(+1) Gera MX, Christian Nodal - Botella Tras Botella 310,463 (-2,361)
72(debut) Lil Baby - On Me Remix 308,535
73(+3) TiΓ«sto - The Business 306,661 (+3,300)
74(-1) Dua Lipa - We're Good 305,921 (-3,217)
77(+1) Cico P - Tampa 301,793 (+3,736)
80(-40) Lil Baby - On Me 292,885 (-90,336)
82(-1) Surf Curse - Freaks 291,992 (+804)
90(+1) Rod Wave - Tombstone 279,949 (+3,563)
94(+1) Bad Bunny, ROSALΓA - LA NOCHE DE ANOCHE 273,298 (+1,504)
96(+1) Gabby Barrett - The Good Ones 273,140 (+4,919)
98(-18) H.E.R. - Come Through 269,555 (-21,650)
102(+4) Ashnikko Princess Nokia - Slumber Party 263,799 (+8,361)
103(-4) Regard, Troye Sivan, Tate McRae - You 262,562 (-3,461)
104(-6) Mooski - Track Star 261,801 (-5,194)
115(-4) Eric Church - Hell Of A View 247,324 (-5,621)
124(-17) 24kGoldn - Company 238,629 (-15,880)
125(+1) MARINA - Bubblegum Bitch 236,869 (+624)
131(-4) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 233,401 (-2,557)
132(-1) Rod Wave - Street Runner 233,138 (+698)
149(-1) Roar - I Can't Handle the Change 222,732 (+1,993)
151(-5) Twenty One Pilots - Shy Away 220,485 (-1,377)
167(+5) Riton, Nightcrawlers - Friday 213,016 (+1,911)
175(=) Machine Gun Kelly - forget me too 211,518 (+1,492)
180(-35) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Diamonds Dancing 210,421 (-12,834)
191(-9) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 204,835 (-1,132)
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 1,390,500
Total Streams for On Me: 601,420
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 30, 2021 2:36:12 GMT -5
Surprisingly, the On Me remix isn't doing much on AM either
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Post by Gary on Apr 30, 2021 6:56:44 GMT -5
That's an interesting debate, because the remix's streaming, if i understand correctly, will count towards the original album's SPS, even though the original album only contains the original version of SYT. If the remix already counts towards the original, then logically and consistently speaking, it already counts as a third #1 single from the album. Bad Blood was an early example. It was never added to the album, yet somehow contributed 1989's SPS and movement on Top 200. It's pretty easy to segregate versions - it seems logical that only versions that are available on the album should count for album charts. It's bad enough that single track - even if they aren't on the album - count for all album charts. Yet, those same tracks aren't credited on the single charts if a consumer purchases the entire physical/digital album, but they do count if they are streamed. It defies logic. My comment was based on a more simplistic idea than that. "After Hours" will be the first album since "Rhythm Nation" to generate three number ones on three separate calendar years. Kind of a random thing and artificially generated after the fact because the remix just came out. Whether Billboard "counts" the streams towards one album or another was not really what I was questioning - they probably will. There were no added remixes with guest artists after the fact on Rhythm Nation so is it really the same thing? Based on the comments - people say yes. My guess is that it is not significant enough that Billboard will write about it - but we will see. |
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Post by iamsorare on Apr 30, 2021 7:54:12 GMT -5
Kiss me more #1 on Spotify...butter is coming in 3 weeks.if doja's team want #1 peak on hot 100 then it's time to work
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Post by jthentic on Apr 30, 2021 8:14:50 GMT -5
My ex's best friend reclaimed its #1 spot
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