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Post by Mirago on May 6, 2021 22:01:03 GMT -5
Their best track was their last top 10 in Canada, posted a couple above, When We Stand Together.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 6, 2021 22:04:58 GMT -5
I’m not even remotely a Nickelback fan but I can tell you that most (not all because there is valid criticism to give them) people do it to seem cool, or like they have “better taste” as if that’s a thing. I can guarantee most of this site has at least one Nickelback song they like. I can admit most of their music is generic radio rock but they still have a couple good songs. There are songs and artists from the 2000s that don’t get as much hate as Nickelback and their songs get, especially in the post-grunge genre. That was the decade that gave Creed, Hinder, and Saving Abel Year-End hits, that are imo far worse than most Nickelback hits. I enjoy all of them, honestly. I’m bummed pop radio stopped playing them after 2009.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 23:24:01 GMT -5
I actually like a fair deal of Nickelback songs, Photograph included (Photograph is probably my favorite Nickelback song, in fact).
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Post by degen on May 9, 2021 14:26:28 GMT -5
It’s interesting that there’s this huge perception that Nickelback endured so much success for so long when in reality that’s not the case. Their 2005 album was then at their peak, going Diamond in the US and selling 18 million worldwide. But they were never able to replicate that success (despite them replicating their sound). On the Hot 100, they only had 6 top 10 hits total, including just 1 #1 hit. And that was only between 2001-2008. Really is that even a long time? As hitmakers they trail far behind Maroon 5 on that front. I find it ironic that they are the poster band of this sub genre though.
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Post by salt on May 9, 2021 18:33:30 GMT -5
At this point, it's less the quality of the music itself and more their popularity and the billion knockoffs they spawned that polluted rock radio. There are only a couple Nickelback songs I truly despise, but by 2008 I was just fatigued by the general 2000s post-grunge sound that I didn't want to hear any Nickelback song ever again. Nickelback were just the easiest targets bwcause they were the most popular.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 11, 2021 4:26:35 GMT -5
At this point, it's less the quality of the music itself and more their popularity and the billion knockoffs they spawned that polluted rock radio. There are only a couple Nickelback songs I truly despise, but by 2008 I was just fatigued by the general 2000s post-grunge sound that I didn't want to hear any Nickelback song ever again. Nickelback were just the easiest targets bwcause they were the most popular. Didn’t Shinedown have a crossover hit around that time? Why didn’t they become the next big band on CHR? Heck, there were power ballads by popular metal groups (i.e. So Far Away by Avenged Sevenfold, What If I Was Nothing by All That Remains, lots of Five Finger Death Punch). Why did that trend never take off?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 6:42:24 GMT -5
It’s interesting that there’s this huge perception that Nickelback endured so much success for so long when in reality that’s not the case. Their 2005 album was then at their peak, going Diamond in the US and selling 18 million worldwide. But they were never able to replicate that success (despite them replicating their sound). On the Hot 100, they only had 6 top 10 hits total, including just 1 #1 hit. And that was only between 2001-2008. Really is that even a long time? As hitmakers they trail far behind Maroon 5 on that front. I find it ironic that they are the poster band of this sub genre though. Disagree with this for two reasons: one, Nickelback was a consistent album seller. Their first four albums on a major label went 6x platinum, 3x platinum, 10x platinum, and 3x platinum respectively, and they also had two other albums that are 1x platinum (one being an independent release before they got signed). All The Right Reasons was obviously their Goliath moment, but I don't think it's accurate to downplay the fact that they had a solid decade of certified success, nor should one ignore that they had 19 top 10 hits (including 8 #1s) on mainstream rock, their core format. Two, even if we go with the angle that they didn't have a lot of hits, no other band in their subgenre matched their number of top 10 peaks or amount of longevity, so it's not ironic at all to me that Nickelback would be the band most associated with it. (I don't believe anyone would consider Maroon 5 and Nickelback as being part of the same subgenre.) ...taking up for Nickelback in any form feels so damn weird, lol. I didn't hate them but definitely would struggle to name more than five songs. Anyway, corporate rock/"buttrock" in general was looked down upon by rock purists who viewed any band in that lane as sellouts or try-hards, and pop fans were more likely to just see them as corny even if they did wind up liking some of the singles from these bands. The MTV/TRL era factored heavily into mainstream tastes at the time but most of the buttrock bands didn't go to MTV for promotion much and any video that stuck there was coincidental; more often, they were getting played to the older viewers watching VH1. This kind of set them up to seem uncool by default, a last gasp of gen-X appeal in a musical world whose teen/young adult demographic was all millennial for the first time. Nickelback just happened to be the biggest/most recognizable face of that whole subgenre so naturally they got the most detractors, not much different from how Britney often caught the most flack out of her female peers from people who hated bubblegum pop. Where Nickelback differs from Britney is that they've never had an equal number of visible fans to push back against the non-fans who liked taking easy shots at them. Odds are, most of the people who Nickelback attracted as diehard fans are not the kind of people who are on music forums or social media that much. Also, I recall many viewing Chad as a douchebag, though I'm not sure there were any specific reasons for this or if everyone just collectively sensed from the start that he must be an arrogant SOB and decided to make his whole band a punching bag for it (one of Slipknot's members called him "Captain Ego from Planet Douche" lmao, though that was in 2017). Creed mostly avoided this during their peak because a) they debuted in the late 90s, before "buttrock" was seen or labeled as such; b) they were mistakenly seen as Christian rock early on and who in the 90s was going to have the cajones to come for someone singing about Jesus? and c) by the time most people found out Scott Stapp actually was a gigantic dbag who was not, in fact, singing about Jesus, Creed had disbanded because of said douchebaggery. Honestly Creed/Stapp should have caught most of the heat that Nickelback/Kroeger did, but managed to avoid it simply by being early to the party.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 11, 2021 6:42:32 GMT -5
At this point, it's less the quality of the music itself and more their popularity and the billion knockoffs they spawned that polluted rock radio. There are only a couple Nickelback songs I truly despise, but by 2008 I was just fatigued by the general 2000s post-grunge sound that I didn't want to hear any Nickelback song ever again. Nickelback were just the easiest targets bwcause they were the most popular. Didn’t Shinedown have a crossover hit around that time? Why didn’t they become the next big band on CHR? Heck, there were power ballads by popular metal groups (i.e. So Far Away by Avenged Sevenfold, What If I Was Nothing by All That Remains, lots of Five Finger Death Punch). Why did that trend never take off? Probably because by the late-2000s and early 2010s, straightforward rock and metal were fading out of relevancy in the mainstream.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 11, 2021 8:43:21 GMT -5
It’s interesting that there’s this huge perception that Nickelback endured so much success for so long when in reality that’s not the case. Their 2005 album was then at their peak, going Diamond in the US and selling 18 million worldwide. But they were never able to replicate that success (despite them replicating their sound). On the Hot 100, they only had 6 top 10 hits total, including just 1 #1 hit. And that was only between 2001-2008. Really is that even a long time? As hitmakers they trail far behind Maroon 5 on that front. I find it ironic that they are the poster band of this sub genre though. The issue is that you’re comparing them to Maroon 5, an extreme outlier. 8 years for a rock band in the 2000s is quite a long time considering how big their hits were. And of course they weren’t going to replicate the success of a Diamond album. Very few do. It’s interesting that your perception is that they didn’t have so much success.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 11, 2021 13:06:49 GMT -5
Didn’t Shinedown have a crossover hit around that time? Why didn’t they become the next big band on CHR? Heck, there were power ballads by popular metal groups (i.e. So Far Away by Avenged Sevenfold, What If I Was Nothing by All That Remains, lots of Five Finger Death Punch). Why did that trend never take off? Probably because by the late-2000s and early 2010s, straightforward rock and metal were fading out of relevancy in the mainstream. What caused it to fade away?
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Post by macattack on May 11, 2021 13:53:19 GMT -5
Probably because by the late-2000s and early 2010s, straightforward rock and metal were fading out of relevancy in the mainstream. What caused it to fade away? Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 11, 2021 16:49:47 GMT -5
What caused it to fade away? Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick. Then who were the people that gave Nickelback all those hits? Or 3 Doors Down, Hinder, Shinedown, for that matter. What happened to them? Also, Twenty One Pilots-style indie rock shouldn’t be in the same category as Nickelback-style post-grunge. That’s been very successful in the past decade. And it didn’t even take off until after the latter died out.
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Post by vespertinebutterfly on May 11, 2021 19:52:20 GMT -5
Their music isn’t that good to me, not horrible but How You Remind Me and Far Away are great songs.
I say that as a person who listens to 90s-2000s rock such as M20, Green Day, Good Charlotte, Korn, Foo Fighters, Garbage, and the Fray.
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Post by macattack on May 11, 2021 22:45:11 GMT -5
Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick. Then who were the people that gave Nickelback all those hits? Or 3 Doors Down, Hinder, Shinedown, for that matter. What happened to them? Younger Gen Xers and the older Millennials that do like rock. It's part of why Active Rock radio has been stuck in a rut for the last 10 years or so, because there's been very few young listeners tuning in. The aging of the audience has forced the format to skew towards the veteran artists almost exclusively to keep what audience they have.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 11, 2021 23:54:00 GMT -5
What caused it to fade away? Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick. Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood.
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Post by mrmike855 on May 12, 2021 1:54:37 GMT -5
Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick. Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood. Based on personal experience, rock really isn't all that popular among young Millennials, but I do remember metalcore being popular. Asking Alexandria, Sleeping With Sirens, older Bring Me the Horizon, I'd regularly hear that sort of music blasting out of headphones in high school in the early to mid 2010s. But the problem is that radio, even rock radio, doesn't play anything heavier than Metallica and, considering how heavy metalcore is, that sort of music will never get mainstream attention like post-grunge or even nu metal got, and people don't usually talk about metalcore in a positive light anyway. Also, those artists you mentioned are all alternative/indie rock bands (assuming you're talking about new BMTH) that aren't at all comparable to Nickelback or any post-grunge. The original point about Millennials not liking rock music still stands.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 12, 2021 2:31:16 GMT -5
Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood. Based on personal experience, rock really isn't all that popular among young Millennials, but I do remember metalcore being popular. Asking Alexandria, Sleeping With Sirens, older Bring Me the Horizon, I'd regularly hear that sort of music blasting out of headphones in high school in the early to mid 2010s. But the problem is that radio, even rock radio, doesn't play anything heavier than Metallica and, considering how heavy metalcore is, that sort of music will never get mainstream attention like post-grunge or even nu metal got, and people don't usually talk about metalcore in a positive light anyway. Also, those artists you mentioned are all alternative/indie rock bands (assuming you're talking about new BMTH) that aren't at all comparable to Nickelback or any post-grunge. The original point about Millennials not liking rock music still stands. I think that's part of the problem though. We're still focused on the rock sounds of 10-20 years ago when we should be focusing on the modern rock millennials are liking like the bands I just listed. Art tastes don't move backward and we're not gonna go back to the glory days of rock if we keep pushing the older styles on the newer generation that prefers modern names and styles. The sound of pop has changed, the sound of hip-hop has changed, and the sound of dance and electronic music has changed. The same desire for rock to stay the same is the same reason it took Country music years to grow an audience in the streaming era.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 12, 2021 8:32:07 GMT -5
Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood. There’ll always be outliers, but if those artists listed above were adopted by millennials in a larger scale, they’d be bigger (and deservingly so). But maybe it’s because they haven’t been given the chance to reach wider audience numbers? Perhaps the reason why Rock radio has become a dinosaur is because it continues to uphold the opinions of older millennials/gen Xers that rock music has to have a certain sound and image, which is why I believe the genre/format has become stale in the last 10-20 years (as I’ve harped on here a few times over the last couple years). And from my experience, fans of classic, 80s, 90s and early 2000s rock seem to refuse to accept that music from many of the names listed above be considered closed to rock or warrant play on rock radio. It did hit me a few months ago that rock does seem to be on a resurgence but perhaps because I also wore the glasses of ‘rock purists,’ I didn’t really see it at the time. When I put on my Currents playlist on shuffle (only new, current and recent singles and hits), there are quite a few songs of rock and similar genres on there and many of them are actual hits as well. I guess I also thought of rock as being the traditional “band” so I missed the rise of all of these new artists who don’t fit that traditional mould but who themselves represent today’s brand of rock for today’s youth and 20-somethings. Tl;dr, I think rock is finally being allowed to evolve despite the resistance of longtime fans of rock music.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 9:05:00 GMT -5
I don't buy the argument that Millennials in general don't like or listen to rock music or that the genre died. It just evolved. Mainstream rock with metal influences, which is what Nickelback would fall under (they were specifically referred to as a nu-metal band at the time), was very popular from the 80s through the 00s. I guess there's an argument to be had for why that style of rock waned in popularity, but I think a 20-30 year run is a very good run for a style of music. Music and tastes are constantly evolving. Just because the genre doesn't sound like it did two decades ago doesn't mean it's dead.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 12, 2021 9:28:57 GMT -5
There should be no reason the acts I listed should be struggling on Alt/Rock radio, getting less play than the goddamn Offspring, despite creating an audience with the younger generation
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Post by macattack on May 12, 2021 9:49:13 GMT -5
Millennials don't like rock, any form of it. There are exceptions of course (older Millennials like myself played into why rock didn't fade away earlier than 2009-12 by supporting artists like Linkin Park), but especially young Millennials just really like hip-hop and pop. They find rock corny, lame, racist, misogynist, bland, "music for Republicans" (as Disco helpfully demonstrated earlier in the thread), "Dad's music", or all of the above and beyond. Even when the labels pushed indie fare to pop, figuring the safest, softest form of rock imaginable would be palatable for Millennials, well... Millennials told the songs and the artists to go f*** themselves, we want our trap beats, dammit. Even Twenty One Pilots haven't gotten a strong pop hit since 2016. Zoomers seem to feel differently and as they enter the prime marketing demographic we are starting to see rock slowly come back, mostly in the form of a pop-punk revival. Time will tell as to whether it'll stick. Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood. Those artists are extremely popular with Zoomers except Cage The Elephant, who has largely been confined to Alt radio hits since their inception and has never had a true breakout hit. They haven't been on the Hot 100 in ten years.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 12, 2021 10:05:20 GMT -5
Man, I guess the young people who like Bring Me the Horizon, Beach Bunny Cage the Elephant, girl in red, All Time Low, beabadoobee, Japanese Breakfast, Cannons, not to mention the whole bedroom pop scene, and other bands, apparently their fans aren't millennials. And perhaps the alt/rock charts emphasizing radio over streaming people that shows people turning away from rock radio isn't because radio is a dying format that likes to promote older acts like Foo Fighters or The Offspring instead of fresher blood. Those artists are extremely popular with Zoomers except Cage The Elephant, who has largely been confined to Alt radio hits since their inception and has never had a true breakout hit. They haven't been on the Hot 100 in ten years. I'm really confused now on who is Gen Z and who is Millennial by your standards lmao. Also my point wasn't that they should be charting on the Hot 100, they should be charting on the rock/alt charts higher above the industry plants and older artists propped up by airplay.
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Post by macattack on May 12, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -5
Those artists are extremely popular with Zoomers except Cage The Elephant, who has largely been confined to Alt radio hits since their inception and has never had a true breakout hit. They haven't been on the Hot 100 in ten years. I'm really confused now on who is Gen Z and who is Millennial by your standards lmao. Also my point wasn't that they should be charting on the Hot 100, they should be charting on the rock/alt charts higher above the industry plants and older artists propped up by airplay. I usually interpret Gen Z as starting around the year 2000. I am aware many interpret the start around 1995. I tend to do 18 year cycles for every generation. For example: Boomers: 1946-64 Gen X: 1964-1982 Millennials (Gen Y): 1982-00 Gen Z: 2000-18. Whatever's next: 2018-now.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 12, 2021 11:39:12 GMT -5
I'm really confused now on who is Gen Z and who is Millennial by your standards lmao. Also my point wasn't that they should be charting on the Hot 100, they should be charting on the rock/alt charts higher above the industry plants and older artists propped up by airplay. I usually interpret Gen Z as starting around the year 2000. I am aware many interpret the start around 1995. I tend to do 18 year cycles for every generation. For example: Boomers: 1946-64 Gen X: 1964-1982 Millennials (Gen Y): 1982-00 Gen Z: 2000-18. Whatever's next: 2018-now. Going by this graph, wouldn't Millennials then be the generation that made Nickelback and other post-grunge acts popular? They'd be like in their teens or early 20s and have money to support them. Millennials would've also had the alternative boom of the mid-2000s that had The Strokes, Muse, The Killers, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Gorillaz, Arcade Fire and other acts. Also by this same meter, Gen Z would've been in their kids when the pop-punk/emo swing of the mid-00s happened and being someone in that demo, a lot of people my age grew up on the scene era of bands like Bring Me the Horizon, Screaming for Sirens, All Time Low, Avenged Seventhfold as well as other alternative acts that came up in the early-10s like Arctic Monkeys, Mayday Parade, Twenty One Pilots, even My Chemical Romance was popular amongst us. Hell, The Reason by Hoobastank is still a karaoke staple for us! And yeah by that same token, we also do like beabadoobee, Beach Bunny, and other acts I listed. It's not solely the trap, pop, and rap as you made it seem. Maybe you meant people younger than me; like pre-teens and people just hitting puberty and haven't gone out to listen to more alternative/non-mainstream stuff but even then, streaming and TikTok have helped expose older rock music to younger generations (see: Dreams becoming a viral smash last year) Either way, both generations clearly like rock. Not "hard rock" but they still clearly like rock music, just in different forms.
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Post by macattack on May 12, 2021 11:51:15 GMT -5
I usually interpret Gen Z as starting around the year 2000. I am aware many interpret the start around 1995. I tend to do 18 year cycles for every generation. For example: Boomers: 1946-64 Gen X: 1964-1982 Millennials (Gen Y): 1982-00 Gen Z: 2000-18. Whatever's next: 2018-now. Going by this graph, wouldn't Millennials then be the generation that made Nickelback and other post-grunge acts popular? They'd be like in their teens or early 20s and have money to support them. Millennials would've also had the alternative boom of the mid-2000s that had The Strokes, Muse, The Killers, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Gorillaz, Arcade Fire and other acts. Also by this same meter, Gen Z would've been in their kids when the pop-punk/emo swing of the mid-00s happened and being someone in that demo, a lot of people my age grew up on the scene era of bands like Bring Me the Horizon, Screaming for Sirens, All Time Low, Avenged Seventhfold as well as other alternative acts that came up in the early-10s like Arctic Monkeys, Mayday Parade, Twenty One Pilots, even My Chemical Romance was popular amongst us. Hell, The Reason by Hoobastank is still a karaoke staple for us! And yeah by that same token, we also do like beabadoobee, Beach Bunny, and other acts I listed. It's not solely the trap, pop, and rap as you made it seem. Maybe you meant people younger than me; like pre-teens and people just hitting puberty and haven't gone out to listen to more alternative/non-mainstream stuff but even then, streaming and TikTok have helped expose older rock music to younger generations (see: Dreams becoming a viral smash last year) Either way, both generations clearly like rock. Not "hard rock" but they still clearly like rock music, just in different forms. I certainly did not mean "all Millennials do not like rock music", but it was the generation that saw the fade happen, especially when the kids born in the 90's entered their prime buying years. Keep in mind that under my methods a person born in 1994 would turn 21 in 2015, right when Alternative crossovers ceased to exist outright in the pop landscape with a few exceptions. However, I am also a believer in some generational crossover. I think some Gen X's attitudes persist in Millennials up until about those born around 1988/89. By the same token, I think Gen Z's ideals and preferences start to appear in Millennials born in 1996/97, and some Millennial tastes exist in Zoomers up until maybe 2004. There's only a few years of "generational purity", the core of what defines the generation and what they are. Basically though, what I meant (and maybe that wasn't clear) was that the average Millennial showed a preference for hip-hop and pop over rock music, and eventually music labels interpreted this lean as "Millennials do not like rock music" as a whole. This does not mean there aren't numerous Millennials (or Zoomers) who do like rock music, but labels will always sell to the lowest common denominator and for Millennials (and right now, the Zoomers are perceived to be similar by many in the music industry even though I do not think they are), that is hip-hop and pop music.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 12, 2021 12:28:56 GMT -5
Why don’t Millennials or Gen Z like hard rock music anyway?
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 12, 2021 14:40:56 GMT -5
Nickelback's music has been pretty cookie-cutter, much like some of the other acts mentioned. The band does seem to get the brunt of criticism, though. macattack- do you really think perceived misogyny would be a reason millenials wouldn't like rock music, though gravitate toward another genre that has its fair share?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 13, 2021 4:54:12 GMT -5
Why don’t Millennials or Gen Z like hard rock music anyway? My own theory is that it has less to do with Millennials or Zoomers not liking hard rock and simply more to do out of exposure. Pop and rap are genres that also go viral the easiest because of exposure through various means: big artists get big promotion with performances, airplay, playlisting, and the viral success mostly come these genres as a result. That's why the "indie one-hit wonder" was a term for awhile: alternative acts who were more festival driven or found success through other means (most famously commercials) were seen as doing unconventional tactics to get hits. Now it isn't that odd for pop stars to use their songs to advertise other products but they still have the budget and means to advertise their music through other means so they don't have to worry about "selling out". And we can probably point this as to why hard rock faded: it was less easy for it to be marketed. Playlisting can play a big part in rock music being revitalized, as I've said before: that's how country was able to revitalize itself. It just so happens that the rock music younger generations like isn't post-grunge or hard rock or glam metal, it's more alternative acts.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 13, 2021 13:14:35 GMT -5
Why don’t Millennials or Gen Z like hard rock music anyway? My own theory is that it has less to do with Millennials or Zoomers not liking hard rock and simply more to do out of exposure. Pop and rap are genres that also go viral the easiest because of exposure through various means: big artists get big promotion with performances, airplay, playlisting, and the viral success mostly come these genres as a result. That's why the "indie one-hit wonder" was a term for awhile: alternative acts who were more festival driven or found success through other means (most famously commercials) were seen as doing unconventional tactics to get hits. Now it isn't that odd for pop stars to use their songs to advertise other products but they still have the budget and means to advertise their music through other means so they don't have to worry about "selling out". And we can probably point this as to why hard rock faded: it was less easy for it to be marketed. Playlisting can play a big part in rock music being revitalized, as I've said before: that's how country was able to revitalize itself. It just so happens that the rock music younger generations like isn't post-grunge or hard rock or glam metal, it's more alternative acts. What would happen if those active rock acts also did commercial deals? How would the youth react?
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Post by PREDS PRIDE on May 13, 2021 17:00:45 GMT -5
cause all the people used to hearing synthesized pop music get scared when they hear music with guitars and other actual instruments in it
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