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Post by nathanalbright on May 26, 2021 9:52:23 GMT -5
All of these are good examples, and it's good company for any artist to be in, I would think.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 26, 2021 9:53:00 GMT -5
As a chart watcher, the swift rise of Olivia Rodrigo is one of the most exciting things to happen in a long time. When was the last time an artist exploded onto the scene like this? She just debuted 4 months ago and already has two #1 singles with record-breaking streams and is on her way to a record-breaking streaming week for her debut. Has anyone ever become so popular so quickly? I'ma guess you're pretty young! Lol. The Jackson 5 had 4 straight #1s with their first 4 singles. Mariah Carey had 4 #1 hits with her first 4 singles in a span of less than a year, and then got a #1 with the first single from her second album. So, she had 5 #1s in a span of 14 months with the first 5 singles she released. There are others as well. That isn't to take away from Olivia as she has blown up and had great success right away, but this also isn't something truly rare either. |
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Post by enwhy on May 26, 2021 9:56:42 GMT -5
I'm new to this sort of thing, but wanted to get a better sense of where things stand between BTS and good 4 u. Specifically I'm really curious how Olivia's streams vs BTS's sales will affect things. I used the predictions someone posted from earlier in the thread to estimate some numbers and then plotted out the results. If BTS can hit their Dynamite benchmark (300k sales), they'll be pretty much unstoppable with 800+ points. If they're a little closer to 200k, then things get interesting - Olivia has a path to a second week at #1 if she can come close to or exceed her 1st week Driver's License streams (76.1M). Again, I don't have any experience on the prediction side of things, so I'm very curious to see where the big chart accounts estimate things are at right now. ![]() ![]()  |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on May 26, 2021 9:59:24 GMT -5
The way her Spotify and Apple Music dominance may mean nothing because of 10k stans π©
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on May 26, 2021 10:02:10 GMT -5
The way her Spotify and Apple Music dominance may mean nothing because of 10k stans π© Yβall gotta let the 10k stans thing go. Theyβve sold out stadium tours here. They have a LARGE fanbase. They just suck at streaming π |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 10:03:54 GMT -5
Also, can we add 'brutal' and 'good 4 u' to the pop punk revival lately? brutal especially since as I've stated before, it's a riot grrrl song.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on May 26, 2021 10:04:40 GMT -5
The way her Spotify and Apple Music dominance may mean nothing because of 10k stans π© Yβall gotta let the 10k stans thing go. Theyβve sold out stadium tours here. They have a LARGE fanbase. They just suck at streaming π ok 10k was an exaggeration. But it's still a small number of people compared to the people actually streaming Good 4 U because they like it instead of buying Butter just to manipulate the charts. |
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Post by lurker2 on May 26, 2021 10:11:25 GMT -5
The way her Spotify and Apple Music dominance may mean nothing because of 10k stans π© Yβall gotta let the 10k stans thing go. Theyβve sold out stadium tours here. They have a LARGE fanbase. They just suck at streaming π "Sucking at streaming" is not a thing. They aren't able to manipulate the charts with streaming, is what you mean. |
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Post by nathanalbright on May 26, 2021 10:21:13 GMT -5
The only way sucking at streaming would be a legitimate argument is if they were trying to say that BTS fanbase is made up of people who are not technologically proficient, but it's not like BTS' fanbase is a bunch of boomers.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on May 26, 2021 10:26:19 GMT -5
ngl, Liv blocking BTS would be the most satisfying thing ever.
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Post by neverduplicated on May 26, 2021 10:27:38 GMT -5
As a chart watcher, the swift rise of Olivia Rodrigo is one of the most exciting things to happen in a long time. When was the last time an artist exploded onto the scene like this? She just debuted 4 months ago and already has two #1 singles with record-breaking streams and is on her way to a record-breaking streaming week for her debut. Has anyone ever become so popular so quickly? I'ma guess you're pretty young! Lol. The Jackson 5 had 4 straight #1s with their first 4 singles. Mariah Carey had 4 #1 hits with her first 4 singles in a span of less than a year, and then got a #1 with the first single from her second album. So, she had 5 #1s in a span of 14 months with the first 5 singles she released. There are others as well. That isn't to take away from Olivia as she has blown up and had great success right away, but this also isn't something truly rare either. Not sure the first comment was necessary, but yes I'm not old enough to have lived through Jackson 5's dominance. I know all too well about Mariah's rise to fame, but Olivia had two #1 debuts in four months, the first of which immediately broke streaming records, and what looks to be a record-breaking streaming week with her album on its first week, so I would argue Olivia skyrocketed faster. I know this largely has to do with the fact that it hasn't always been possible to achieve these kinds of feats so quickly, but that still doesn't change my question about whether another artist had risen to fame this fast - once again, two #1 debuts and a #1 album in four months with both singles and albums breaking records. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 10:28:43 GMT -5
And it's not like Butter has been tanking either, it's been above 1M the whole week. Even if ARMY stans weren't so bloodthirsty with sales, it would still be one of the top streamed songs on any other week...it just so happens Olivia Rodrigo is unstoppable.
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Post by jaydoesnotknow on May 26, 2021 10:44:06 GMT -5
And it's not like Butter has been tanking either, it's been above 1M the whole week. Even if ARMY stans weren't so bloodthirsty with sales, it would still be one of the top streamed songs on any other week...it just so happens Olivia Rodrigo is unstoppable. I wonder if theyβll be a jump in streams today since the BTS meal at McDonaldβs came out |
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Post by xtynaaguilera99 on May 26, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5
At this point, I would want Maneskin - the Eurovision Song Contestβs winner of this year - to smash in the US with their winning single, in order to establish pop/punk/rock dominance again π
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 10:47:21 GMT -5
At this point, I would want Maneskin - the Eurovision Song Contestβs winner of this year - to smash in the US with their winning single, in order to establish pop/punk/rock dominance again π It's a long shot for it to be a hit (just look at how it took Arcade 2 years to crossover after winning Eurovision, despite being in English), although I am curious to see how rock radio would react to it. I don't know how often or how successful songs in foreign languages do there. |
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Post by rainygirl on May 26, 2021 10:48:24 GMT -5
As a chart watcher, the swift rise of Olivia Rodrigo is one of the most exciting things to happen in a long time. When was the last time an artist exploded onto the scene like this? She just debuted 4 months ago and already has two #1 singles with record-breaking streams and is on her way to a record-breaking streaming week for her debut. Has anyone ever become so popular so quickly? I'ma guess you're pretty young! Lol. The Jackson 5 had 4 straight #1s with their first 4 singles. Mariah Carey had 4 #1 hits with her first 4 singles in a span of less than a year, and then got a #1 with the first single from her second album. So, she had 5 #1s in a span of 14 months with the first 5 singles she released. There are others as well. That isn't to take away from Olivia as she has blown up and had great success right away, but this also isn't something truly rare either. Iβm pretty old but I forgot about those excellent examples |
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Post by Kae β¨ on May 26, 2021 10:49:31 GMT -5
And it's not like Butter has been tanking either, it's been above 1M the whole week. Even if ARMY stans weren't so bloodthirsty with sales, it would still be one of the top streamed songs on any other week...it just so happens Olivia Rodrigo is unstoppable. I wonder if theyβll be a jump in streams today since the BTS meal at McDonaldβs came out i really don't think there is going to a jump in streams, i don't even see that much people actually talking about the BTS meal. Although, there might be a jump in streams because of #PartywithButter or something like that. |
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Post by firefox on May 26, 2021 11:01:42 GMT -5
^People be like: "Wow this BTS McDonald French Fries is yummy, I think I wanna stream 'Butter' right now"
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 26, 2021 11:03:24 GMT -5
Gagaβs rise to fame happened pretty quickly too - well, I suppose once Just Dance finally took off over like half a year lol. THEN she took off quickly. Her first six songs hit number one on pop radio. Her Hot 100 performance wasnβt as impressive, but I donβt believe video streams were in play at that point and thatβs arguably where her strongest suit was at that point in time.
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Post by atg on May 26, 2021 11:04:13 GMT -5
As a chart watcher, the swift rise of Olivia Rodrigo is one of the most exciting things to happen in a long time. When was the last time an artist exploded onto the scene like this? She just debuted 4 months ago and already has two #1 singles with record-breaking streams and is on her way to a record-breaking streaming week for her debut. Has anyone ever become so popular so quickly? Iβll say maybe Ariana, as theyβre both child actresses and then they came into the scene popping off from there. Ari did have a tough time hitting number 1, especially with songs like Problem, no tears left to cry and Side To Side as her biggest hits in the top 5, but then finally got her justice during the TUN era and now sheβs like a magnet there. People did say Drake too and I guess you could count him, but he was less known as an actor. |
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Post by shayonce on May 26, 2021 11:18:14 GMT -5
BTS fans are great with streams too. they literally got instrumental in top 200.. lol also old tracks.
it's just streaming are much harder to manipulate. there're limits.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 26, 2021 11:21:04 GMT -5
Gagaβs rise to fame happened pretty quickly too - well, I suppose once Just Dance finally took off over like half a year lol. THEN she took off quickly. Her first six songs hit number one on pop radio. Her Hot 100 performance wasnβt as impressive, but I donβt believe video streams were in play at that point and thatβs arguably where her strongest suit was at that point in time. Well and if we want to get technical Olivia was already known by many because of her Disney stuff and she's even had songs available, even if they weren't singles. She didn't literally come out of nowhere and one could argue that time is similar to Gaga and others having to work a single for a bit to get it to catch on. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 26, 2021 11:22:18 GMT -5
I wonder if colleges will soon start "Chart Math" courses?
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Post by nathanalbright on May 26, 2021 11:23:27 GMT -5
It wouldn't be hard to do, it's basically a set of algebraic equations.
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Post by badrobot on May 26, 2021 11:24:40 GMT -5
I think folks are forgetting her because she fizzled so quickly after, but Iggy Azalea came out with #1, #2, and #3 hits within a few months with Fancy, Problem, and Black Widow.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 26, 2021 11:56:54 GMT -5
I'm new to this sort of thing, but wanted to get a better sense of where things stand between BTS and good 4 u. Specifically I'm really curious how Olivia's streams vs BTS's sales will affect things. I used the predictions someone posted from earlier in the thread to estimate some numbers and then plotted out the results. If BTS can hit their Dynamite benchmark (300k sales), they'll be pretty much unstoppable with 800+ points. If they're a little closer to 200k, then things get interesting - Olivia has a path to a second week at #1 if she can come close to or exceed her 1st week Driver's License streams (76.1M). Again, I don't have any experience on the prediction side of things, so I'm very curious to see where the big chart accounts estimate things are at right now. ![]() ![]() Great chart! The only prediction by a trusted predictor has Butter with 196.3k sales and 606 points, and Good 4 u at 68.8M streams and 581 points. My guess is that Butterβs sales will fall in the 175k-225k range, while Good 4 uβs streams will fall in the 67.5M-70M streams range. I could see the race being close, or Butter winning by a comfortable margin. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 12:01:49 GMT -5
US Spotify - 05/25/21
Olivia Rodrigo - SOUR
1(=) good 4 u 4,708,514 (+60,834)
2(=) deja vu 2,462,179 (-51,768)
3(=) traitor 2,359,924 (+6,596)
4(=) brutal 2,138,804 (-90,130)
5(=) happier 1,871,151 (-46,946)
6(=) enough for you 1,839,537 (-60,710)
7(+2) favorite crime 1,780,855 (+58,472)
8(-1) drivers license 1,728,591 (-103,803)
9(-1) 1 step forward, 3 steps back 1,666,732 (-94,749)
10(=) jealousy, jealous 1,537,686 (-59,859)
12(=) hope ur ok 1,342,438 (-63,074)
Total Streams: 23,436,411
Others:
11(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,511,587 (+25,183)
13(=) Polo G - RAPSTAR 1,304,540 (+35,083)
14(=) BTS - Butter 1,216,857 (+26,825)
15(+1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 1,089,837 (+24,767)
16(-1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 1,087,910 (+16,841)
17(=) J. Cole - m y . l i f e 981,927 (-33,679)
18(=) J. Cole - p r i d e . i s . t h e . d e v i l 891,573 (-2,071)
19(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches 880,115 (+16,654)
20(+5) Drake - Wants and Needs 754,351 (+62,114)
21(=) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 747,299 (+20,467)
22(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 735,676 (+27,306)
23(-3) J. Cole - a m a r i 727,153 (-1,341)
24(-1) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 705,397 (+8,497)
25(+1) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 696,366 (+20,574)
26(-2) Polo G - GANG GANG 634,974 (-61,452)
27(=) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 600,953 (+3,022)
28(=) Bella Poarch - Build a Bitch 590,164 (+12,667)
29(+2) Cardi B - Up 559,255 (+18,970)
30(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 553,328 (+4,556)
31(-2) J. Cole - i n t e r l u d e 536,636 (-13,296)
32(+1) Kali Uchis - telepatΓa 532,169 (+14,637)
33(-1) Lil Nas X - SUN GOES DOWN 531,255 (-7,576)
34(+1) Saweetie - Best Friend 503,444 (+10,684)
35(+6) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Solid 501,328 (+40,965)
36(+3) Lil Tecca - Never Left 498,716 (+22,234)
37(-3) J. Cole - 9 5 . s o u t h 498,346 (-759)
39(-1) Maroon 5 - Beautiful Mistakes 490,458 (+13,147)
43(=) Lil Tjay, 6LACK - Calling My Phone 458,709 (+12,260)
44(+1) 42 Dugg - 4 Da Gang 449,832 (+16,797)
45(+4) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 448,542 (+34,591)
46(-4) Billie Eilish - Your Power 443,240 (-8,723)
47(-1) Joyner Lucas, Lil Baby - Ramen & OJ 436,649 (+6,560)
52(-4) Nicki Minaj - Seeing Green 421,701 (+5,649)
54(+1) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 400,770 (+8,148)
57(+2) Migos - Straightenin 386,819 (+11,863)
58(-4) J. Cole - 1 0 0 . m i l β 385,865 (-11,182)
59(-6) J. Cole - l e t . g o . m y . h a n d 385,491 (-13,510)
60(-2) J. Cole - a p p l y i n g . p r e s s u r e 376,684 (-5,393)
61(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 375,314 (+9,268)
62(+5) Justin Bieber - Hold On 361,941 (+17,555)
63(-1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 358,369 (+2,060)
66(+2) Cico P - Tampa 355,695 (+14,848)
68(-4) StarBoi3 - Dick 349,362 (+692)
69(-6) J. Cole - t h e . c l i m b . b a c k 347,482 (-6,575)
71(-2) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha 344,441 (+4,257)
73(+8) Los Legendarios, Wisin, Jhay Cortez - Fiel 340,430 (+22,084)
76(-5) Surf Curse - Freaks 336,521 (+1,337)
86(+3) AURORA - Runaway 313,559 (+5,810)
88(+5) Internet Money - His & Hers 310,616 (+10,156)
89(-4) City Girls - Twerkulator 310,359 (-920)
90(+13) Kevin Gates - Big Gangsta 309,568 (+26,437)
92(-22) Twenty One Pilots - Shy Away 308,154 (-30,455)
95(-3) Tion Wayne, Russ Millions - Body (Remix) 305,456 (+3,463)
96(+4) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Ski 304,948 (+19,601)
98(-3) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 301,243 (+3,933)
102(=) Dua Lipa - We're Good 290,597 (+7,226)
103(-19) Twenty One Pilots - Saturday 282,849 (-31,782)
107(-1) Duncan Laurence - Arcade 279,433 (+2,718)
114(-3) Mitski - Washing Machine Heart 268,908 (-646)
117(-2) Beach Bunny - Cloud 9 267,308 (+1,863)
118(-21) Dream - Mask 266,249 (-28,925)
127(+7) Paramore - Misery Business 257,709 (+13,285)
133(+7) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY 250,774 (+12,412)
135(re-entry) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 247,589
137(+4) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 247,224 (+9,079)
138(-21) A Boogie Wit da Hoodie - 24 Hours 244,126 (-31,862)
140(+5) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 239,997 (+5,439)
152(-32) Twenty One Pilots - Choker 230,526 (-30,558)
154(+23) Don Toliver - What You Need 230,057 (+15,545)
164(-52) Olivia Rodrigo - All I Want 224,917 (-43,831)
171(-10) Ashnikko Princess Nokia - Slumber Party 221,677 (+795)
185(-52) Twenty One Pilots - The Outside 214,169 (-32,539)
189(-56) Pooh Shiesty - Switch It Up 213,871 (-33,017)
190(-4) SoFaygo - Knock Knock 213,748 (+2,888)
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 911,697
Biggest Gains (50K+): Wants and Needs, favorite crime, good 4 u
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 12:03:53 GMT -5
I wonder if colleges will soon start "Chart Math" courses? Wouldn't this just be programming courses or any other course that demands spreadsheets? |
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Post by enwhy on May 26, 2021 12:36:10 GMT -5
Some more data: at least on Spotify, good 4 u is running slightly ahead of drivers license's insane week 1 so far. Assuming it holds steady today and tomorrow, should wind up around 30-32M US Spotify streams! (DL had 30.4M week 1) Not sure how the streams compare on other platforms.  |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 26, 2021 13:08:51 GMT -5
^The diference was that drivers license first started similar to good 4 u's first week, relatively slowly and picked up as the week went on even if the latter's numbers didn't end up as large as the former. This week's numbers for good for u are mostly linear, which drivers license achieved from days 4 to 7 during its first week. In the end, they might reach similar numbers as shown in the graph, but how they got there is a different story.
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