Billboard Hot 100: 06/05/2021

[gikem]

May 28, 2021 13:49:07 GMT -5 Codex said:

May 28, 2021 13:06:15 GMT -5 jred said:

It’s insane how dominant good 4 u has been this week. Whether or not Billboard publishes an accurate chart next week, it’s very rare a song feels as big as this one does right now.

Remember when Drivers License came out and started doing 5 million daily but we had no clue who the f**k she was so we thought it was a glitch or bots? Yeah, there are no doubts this time.

I mean, I knew who she was, but that’s because I remembered that All I Want was briefly a thing at the very beginning of 2020.

[sergf13]

You guys don't have to get so mad at a chart, her finishing at #2 is not the end of the world. She already got her #1 last week, and is incredibly successful. A #2 this week or in the coming weeks will have no effect on her or her career.

[Choco]

I distinctly remember someone coming here in January to talk about how this Olivia something was dropping a single and it might be worth keeping an eye out for her, and thinking, "damn another Sabrina Carpenter / Bridgit Mendler non-event"...

Glad I was wrong.

[lugus15]

Yeah glad the SNL caterwauler getting big.

[phieaglesfan712]

May 28, 2021 13:55:10 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Imagine...a song breaks the all-time Spotify record, and it finishes at #2. That's not fair, and I don't care what BTS stans have to say, they can buy 1 million copies of Butter (btw, great name 😂), but G4U is the biggest song of the week, and you know it. Just like WAP was last year, in August and September.

Good points, but even without the mass buying, Butter would have probably still be #2. I’d also argue that Dynamite’s first week was a legitimate #1. Dynamite’s first week was a lot bigger than a lot of the #1’s in 2020. Franchise was less legitimate than Dynamite.

[Groovy]

Yeah but even without the mass buying, Butter would still probably be beating good 4 u on sales by a lot and the airplay is better than it so there’s that.

[Mayman]

May 28, 2021 14:10:25 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Yeah glad the SNL caterwauler getting big.

Jealous?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

May 28, 2021 14:17:12 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Yeah but even without the mass buying, Butter would still probably be beating good 4 u on sales by a lot and the airplay is better than it so there’s that.

yeah, and that's great...for a #2 spot. No one denies that.

[Enigma.]

Totally here to see the Twitter meltdown when one of the biggest weeks of streaming era is enough for #2 position. (I know BTS Army is the loudest on Twitter no matter what)

Olivia won in the UK anyway - and by huge margin because the Army doesn't focus on mass buying there it seems.

[Groovy]

May 28, 2021 14:21:46 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

May 28, 2021 14:17:12 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Yeah but even without the mass buying, Butter would still probably be beating good 4 u on sales by a lot and the airplay is better than it so there’s that.

yeah, and that's great...for a #2 spot. No one denies that.

Too bad it’s getting the top spot.

[gikem]

May 28, 2021 14:25:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Totally here to see the Twitter meltdown when one of the biggest weeks of streaming era is enough for #2 position. (I know BTS Army is the loudest on Twitter no matter what)

Olivia won in the UK anyway - and by huge margin because the Army doesn't focus on mass buying there it seems.

Mostly because you literally can't use mass-buying tactics to rig most countries' charts since they only count digital storefront sales. Billboard's US and Canadian Hot 100 charts are the only major ones in the world that still count website sales.

[korbel16]

Why is Olivia predicted to do 60 million streams and not over 70m with good 4 u?….. i thought it beat drivers license weekly Spotify streams

[KeepDeanWeird]

Interesting radio 'organically' launched Butter to #20 in first week (building chart), but G4U is 1500 spins behind at #26. Patriarchy continues to rule US radio!

And about that huge delay LNX faced to get radio play despite Montero being spin-worthy on solid metrics/buzz right out of the gate... It's clear certain acts have a much steeper standard to get airplay.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

After some hesitation, I decided to leave my stance on the debate regarding this week's battle for #1, because some of you are acting very immaturely, and being long-time members of the chart-watching community, you should really know better.

I agree that "good 4 u" is having a historic, record-breaking week on streaming services. No one can deny that. However, as jenglisbe previously stressed, this is only one out of three equally important metrics measured by Billboard.

 - So first, streaming: yes, Olivia has been impressively dominating throughout the week, however, it's pathetic to see so many of you dismissing "Butter" 's performance. The song broke the record for biggest global debut in Spotify history, so it did make an impact on the general public's consciousness. And sure, it might only be at #14 now, but it's been very consistent in this region, which suggests continuous interest from the GP. Not to mention that "Butter" 's YouTube numbers are huge and significantly ahead of "good 4 u".

 - Secondly, airplay: Whether you like it or not, Billboard does consider a song's radio performance in their formula, and "good 4 u" hasn't even cracked the top 100 on estimates yet, while "Butter" benefitted from a hefty radio deal and is currently at #56. BTS' team played the game - there isn't much to say here.

 - Finally, sales: Again, BTS is dominating, and sure, it might be mostly because of passionate stans buying the song, but same thing happened with Nicki's post-2018 releases and Travis Scott's post-"SICKO MODE" #1s, not to mention several teen phenomenons like One Direction, pre-"Purpose" Justin Bieber, and Glee. So we should be used to this trend by now.

Also, let's remember that one cannot manufacture a song's success, so it's ridiculous to call "Dynamite" or "Butter" 'fraudulent' hits. A fraudulent chart entry would be something like Why Don't We's "Fallin" from last year, which had no radio, no streaming at all, and somehow managed to debut at #37 out of sales alone. And guess what? It free-fell the week afterwards, because that one week sales was all it had. If "Butter" hits #1, it's fine. "good 4 u" already hit #1, so this isn't a "Gangnam Style" type of mess. Based on the aforementioned statistics, "Butter" has much more than just sales to back it up.

[kcdawg13]

May 28, 2021 15:02:30 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Interesting radio 'organically' launched Butter to #20 in first week (building chart), but G4U is 1500 spins behind at #26. Patriarchy continues to rule US radio!

And about that huge delay LNX faced to get radio play despite Montero being spin-worthy on solid metrics/buzz right out of the gate... It's clear certain acts have a much steeper standard to get airplay.

It's ironic because everyone thought radio wouldn't pick up Montero because of it's subject matter but now it has the highest call-out scores on Pop, its obvious the radio audience loves the song

[Envoirment]

Oo I didn't realise how big the sales are predicted to be for "Butter". Glad BTS manage to get a week at #1. I assume "good 4 u" will be back at #1 next week if sales drop in a similar fashion to "Dynamite".

[sergf13]

May 28, 2021 15:18:07 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Oo I didn't realise how big the sales are predicted to be for "Butter". Glad BTS manage to get a week at #1. I assume "good 4 u" will be back at #1 next week if sales drop in a similar fashion to "Dynamite".

Actually I'd argue that Butter would have an easier time hitting #1 next week. They just released a remix and physical copies are shipping out now, so sales will be pretty stable most likely. Plus Butter will only grow on radio, and will most likely still have the lead over g4u there as well. The only major factor that could change this is streaming, and I think g4u probably peaked there this week.

[atg]

May 27, 2021 21:18:32 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

May 27, 2021 20:24:56 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

Wow, “Butter” may actually have more weeks at number one than the biggest hit of the year in “Good 4 u” lol, just BTS things

After Butter hits #1, there won't be a new #1 for a while. It looks like Good 4 u and Butter will be battling it out for the top spot for the foreseeable future. This has the feel of Shake It Off and All About That Bass.

This could be true, but there’s always an A lister that will drop a comeback anytime now that could really throw us off.

[atg]

May 28, 2021 9:14:04 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

May 28, 2021 9:11:06 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

The Rolling Stones chart doesn’t take into consideration radio, and that’s a big problem in my opinion.

You mean the only reason Blinding Lights is still on the Hot 100

I find this to be extremely funny as it will last even longer on the Rolling Stone charts because of no recurrent rules.

[kimberly]

May 28, 2021 15:16:37 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

- So first, streaming: yes, Olivia has been impressively dominating throughout the week, however, it's pathetic to see so many of you dismissing "Butter" 's performance. The song broke the record for biggest global debut in Spotify history, so it did make an impact on the general public's consciousness. And sure, it might only be at #14 now, but it's been very consistent in this region, which suggests continuous interest from the GP. Not to mention that "Butter" 's YouTube numbers are huge and significantly ahead of "good 4 u".

"Butter" Spotify Counter: 99.4 million
"Butter" Spotify Global 200: 58.1 million ***9th biggest-week for a song on Spotify***

41.5% of the song's first week streams are filtered out "using a formula that protects against any artificial inflation of chart positions." (from Spotify) So the song won't be acknowledged as a record-breaking release by Spotify, I don't think.

this alone is enough to support the claim that BTS fans are a loud minority that work for the (absurd) goal of manipulating the US charts, because Billboard lets it happen. "Butter" is a hit, sure, but record-smashing "good 4 u" would easily take No.1 this week if Billboard eliminated D2C sales (or even just limited to 1 copy per transaction instead of allowing 4 digital downloads of the same song).

not to mention "good 4 u" is has been No. 1 on Apple Music while "Butter" is sitting at No. 55. American public doesn't care about this song enough to grant the top spot on the Hot 100. (this hasn't stopped the likes of "Trollz," "Franchise," and "Life Goes On"--but BTS and their fans are the worst offenders. this will become their 4th No. 1 hit within the last 9 months, all fueled by D2C sales, and none of them having made it to the recurrent chart.)

[meg]

If you all saw past your clear hate towards BTS (and don't tell me you don't hate them because I saw what some people said in Butter thread) you would admit that Butter is huge. Sure, Olivia dominate apple/spotify. And her numbers are amazing. Good for her. But at the same time Butter is so stable, more than any song they had. They nearly had twice as much streams as Dynamite. And you can't tell me Dynamite wasn't a hit. And streams is not the only way of consuming music but you all clearly see it that way. Their radio spins are much bigger (and it doesn't matter they have a deal, they are big for 5 years in the US they should have those spins long time ago) than miss Olive Garden. And those evil sales. How spending actuall money a chart manipulation? Do they use vpn? Bots? No. That's actual human beings buying a song. When a fanbase is as big as GP you really can look down on it and call it a fraud. And do you think Armys are cloning themself? Where are they coming from? They were a general public once too. But they got sucked into stanning. 
Most of those pop girls you all stan can barerly sell out an arena. The only one who can sell out stadium is Taylor. And concert tours really shows how much fans artists have. BTS had 90k people singing song in korean at Wembley. Can your girls do that?



There are playlists on spotify titled like: Arianators blocking Butter, Blinks blocking Butter, Swifties blocking Butter that are just Olivia focused playlists because people hate BTS so much that they were streaming her song just to see them lose. And some of you behave here in similar way. Even if you don't care about the song, you want it to block Butter just because.

That hate they are getting on twitter, being called dog eaters, ch*nks, chinese bottoms, coronovirus, etc by Olivia stans and all those other losers who are token stanning her for no reason at all is getting worse and worse. And then they hide behind Olivia being poc when she is completely white passing and no GP knows she is like 10% filo. 

Her song is big in one metric. Butter is good in streaming, great on radio and huge with buying. So where is the manipulation?

[mms82]

99% of people don’t care about the charts or notice them, and the 1% who do will always think of this week as a massive asterisk. Like I’d get if BTS people were pooling money for billboards and advertisements to get BTS new fans so they get an actual hit, but like this sort of stuff doesn’t win new fans and just turns the small amount of people that know about this mass buying off from BTS

[kimberly]

May 28, 2021 16:06:41 GMT -5 meg said:

BTS had 90k people singing song in korean at Wembley. Can your girls do that?

when Beyoncé drops "Formation (Korean Remix)"

[Mayman]

I really don't think that many people hate BTS. It's the obnoxious fans that people cannot stand. It's the fanbase constantly playing the victim, for example, saying people are xenophobic when they say they dislike Butter/BTS. Or that Spotify is against BTS and scamming fans and the charts. Or that Olivia is an "industry plant" (which they aren't even using the term properly) because people actually consume her music. Or that the industry is against BTS. It's all that bs that everyone is tired of, the constant deflecting is crazy.

And quit acting like Twitter trolls have any importance in any conversation about people hating on BTS. It's funny how you complain about Twitter trolls when BTS stans were literally telling Gaga to die when she won a Grammy. So hypocritical.

[kimberly]

May 28, 2021 16:06:41 GMT -5 meg said:

And then they hide behind Olivia being poc when she is completely white passing and no GP knows she is like 10% filo. 

the irony of preaching against xenophobia and racism and then saying shit like this...

[mms82]

May 28, 2021 16:15:24 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I really don't think that many people hate BTS. It's the obnoxious fans that people cannot stand. It's the fanbase constantly playing the victim, for example, saying people are xenophobic when they say they dislike Butter/BTS. Or that Spotify is against BTS and scamming fans and the charts. Or that Olivia is an "industry plant" (which they aren't even using the term properly) because people actually consume her music. Or that the industry is against BTS. It's all that bs that everyone is tired of, the constant deflecting is crazy.

And quit acting like Twitter trolls have any importance in any conversation about people hating on BTS. It's funny how you complain about Twitter trolls when BTS stans were literally telling Gaga to die when she won a Grammy. So hypocritical.

Agree completely. Best of Me is one of my favorite songs ever and Butter is a great song, it’s just annoying because it’s just not the biggest song this week in America and all the wild accusations and paragraphs defending the fraud stuff is sooo annoying

[kcdawg13]

May 28, 2021 16:06:41 GMT -5 meg said:

If you all saw past your clear hate towards BTS (and don't tell me you don't hate them because I saw what some people said in Butter thread) you would admit that Butter is huge. Sure, Olivia dominate apple/spotify. And her numbers are amazing. Good for her. But at the same time Butter is so stable, more than any song they had. They nearly had twice as much streams as Dynamite. And you can't tell me Dynamite wasn't a hit. And streams is not the only way of consuming music but you all clearly see it that way. Their radio spins are much bigger (and it doesn't matter they have a deal, they are big for 5 years in the US they should have those spins long time ago) than miss Olive Garden. And those evil sales. How spending actuall money a chart manipulation? Do they use vpn? Bots? No. That's actual human beings buying a song. When a fanbase is as big as GP you really can look down on it and call it a fraud. And do you think Armys are cloning themself? Where are they coming from? They were a general public once too. But they got sucked into stanning. 
Most of those pop girls you all stan can barerly sell out an arena. The only one who can sell out stadium is Taylor. And concert tours really shows how much fans artists have. BTS had 90k people singing song in korean at Wembley. Can your girls do that?



There are playlists on spotify titled like: Arianators blocking Butter, Blinks blocking Butter, Swifties blocking Butter that are just Olivia focused playlists because people hate BTS so much that they were streaming her song just to see them lose. And some of you behave here in similar way. Even if you don't care about the song, you want it to block Butter just because.

That hate they are getting on twitter, being called dog eaters, ch*nks, chinese bottoms, coronovirus, etc by Olivia stans and all those other losers who are token stanning her for no reason at all is getting worse and worse. And then they hide behind Olivia being poc when she is completely white passing and no GP knows she is like 10% filo. 

Her song is big in one metric. Butter is good in streaming, great on radio and huge with buying. So where is the manipulation?

No one is denying Butter is a big song, its just not the biggest song in the country right now. And that's a fact. I don't understand bringing up stuff like how BTS sells out stadiums or the racism they receive, obviously any Olivia fans calling BTS names and being racist is bad but I don't see how that has any place in this thread. I haven't seen really any racism as far as I know in this thread, just jokes about the track and the mass-buying stans. Also, I hate getting into whataboutism but let's not act like ARMY's are innocent, I've seen some horrible things said about Olivia on my Twitter timeline this past week. But that's stan twitter, it's a hateful place. Always has been. 

Side-note, trying to disavow Olivia being a POC because she's "white passing" is f**ked up. I like how BTS stans, including yourself meg stand behind the whole "xenophobia" thing but have no issue going after Olivia's "poc cred." Take a look in the mirror and reflect on yourself once in a while, because you're looking like a hypocite right now.

Now let's get into the data. The whole point about how "good 4 u" is only big in one metric is a lie, first of all BTS had a radio deal which is why their radio is so high compared to Olivia's, "good 4 u" has been getting pretty good consistent updates on Pop radio without a radio deal, mainly because it's streaming is so huge. As for sales, "good 4 u" is selling well and is still Top 3 on iTunes despite all the "Butter" tracks around it. 

Also let's not play coy, most of "Butter's" sales are inflated by stans mass-buying, as it usually goes. I can't say for certain but I bet the ratio between the general public buying "Butter" to stans mass-buying isn't close at all, and it seems "good 4 u" is actually connecting with the general public, she has actual buzz right now and it's just not Swifties holding her up at the top right now.

[kcdawg13]

May 28, 2021 16:24:37 GMT -5 meg said:

May 28, 2021 16:15:24 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I really don't think that many people hate BTS. It's the obnoxious fans that people cannot stand. It's the fanbase constantly playing the victim, for example, saying people are xenophobic when they say they dislike Butter/BTS. Or that Spotify is against BTS and scamming fans and the charts. Or that Olivia is an "industry plant" (which they aren't even using the term properly) because people actually consume her music. Or that the industry is against BTS. It's all that bs that everyone is tired of, the constant deflecting is crazy.

And quit acting like Twitter trolls have any importance in any conversation about people hating on BTS. It's funny how you complain about Twitter trolls when BTS stans were literally telling Gaga to die when she won a Grammy. So hypocritical.

Sure

Wow you deny more than a Republican congressman, trust me I also saw Gaga getting death threats after the win. It's ironic that you wrote a whole ass college thesis about the racism BTS receives but deny the hate ARMY's threw at Gaga and call out Oliva for being "white-passing."

C'mon

[meg]

May 28, 2021 16:15:24 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I really don't think that many people hate BTS. It's the obnoxious fans that people cannot stand. It's the fanbase constantly playing the victim, for example, saying people are xenophobic when they say they dislike Butter/BTS. Or that Spotify is against BTS and scamming fans and the charts. Or that Olivia is an "industry plant" (which they aren't even using the term properly) because people actually consume her music. Or that the industry is against BTS. It's all that bs that everyone is tired of, the constant deflecting is crazy.

And quit acting like Twitter trolls have any importance in any conversation about people hating on BTS. It's funny how you complain about Twitter trolls when BTS stans were literally telling Gaga to die when she won a Grammy. So hypocritical.

 

 

[mms82]

[quote author="kcdawg13" source="/post/7903758/thread" timestamp="1622236823" she has actual buzz right now and it's just not Swifties holding her up at the top right now.

[/quote]


Lol imagine thinking this is just Swifties propping up good4u when Willow barely got one week at number one doing all the same crap BTS fans are doing