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Post by Mayman on May 28, 2021 16:31:56 GMT -5
I really don't think that many people hate BTS. It's the obnoxious fans that people cannot stand. It's the fanbase constantly playing the victim, for example, saying people are xenophobic when they say they dislike Butter/BTS. Or that Spotify is against BTS and scamming fans and the charts. Or that Olivia is an "industry plant" (which they aren't even using the term properly) because people actually consume her music. Or that the industry is against BTS. It's all that bs that everyone is tired of, the constant deflecting is crazy. And quit acting like Twitter trolls have any importance in any conversation about people hating on BTS. It's funny how you complain about Twitter trolls when BTS stans were literally telling Gaga to die when she won a Grammy. So hypocritical.Β Β Wow, it's almost as if there's other people who tweet other than these three random accounts! "Lady Gaga when I catch you..." π³
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 16:32:47 GMT -5
Wow you deny more than a Republican congressman, trust me I also saw Gaga getting death threats after the win. It's ironic that you wrote a whole ass college thesis about the racism BTS receives but deny the hate ARMY's threw at Gaga and call out Oliva for being "white-passing." C'mon I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again.
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Post by Mayman on May 28, 2021 16:35:15 GMT -5
Wow you deny more than a Republican congressman, trust me I also saw Gaga getting death threats after the win. It's ironic that you wrote a whole ass college thesis about the racism BTS receives but deny the hate ARMY's threw at Gaga and call out Oliva for being "white-passing." C'mon I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again. So don't you think that if people are trolling on Twitter like this, that other people do it too? Or does it only apply to people who appear to be BTS stans (and most definitely are, but you would never admit that)? Don't you think if these people acting like BTS stans shouldn't be taken seriously, that other people who call BTS horrible things should be? Another example of playing the victim here.
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Post by andrebra on May 28, 2021 16:39:08 GMT -5
meg, if youβre going to preach that Popcentaur was nothing but a troll from stan twitter literally last week, then donβt clog this thread with useless tweets... from stan twitter.
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 28, 2021 16:46:08 GMT -5
Wow you deny more than a Republican congressman, trust me I also saw Gaga getting death threats after the win. It's ironic that you wrote a whole ass college thesis about the racism BTS receives but deny the hate ARMY's threw at Gaga and call out Oliva for being "white-passing." C'mon I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again. Well looks like my Republican congressman comparison was correct, it's like when the GOP calls the Capitol Insurrectionists "ANTIFA" in disguise. So ARMY's are admonished from any blame I guess? All other stans are horrible but BTS stans do good things and never send death threats or be racist to other artists. Totally.
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -5
I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again. So don't you think that if people are trolling on Twitter like this, that other people do it too? Or does it only apply to people who appear to be BTS stans (and most definitely are, but you would never admit that)? Don't you think if these people acting like BTS stans shouldn't be taken seriously, that other people who call BTS horrible things should be? Another example of playing the victim here. No all those pretending to be Armys should be taken seriously because they are not trols. Western stans pretending to be BTS stans. Western stans being racists. Western stans making fake rape allegations. I see a pattern here. I'm not talking about May 2021 accounts with 2 followers here. But actual people which couple thousand followers who are here for years. Those are not trolls. And you can't hide racism behind a troll. Troll is still a human being not a bot. Those are still their thoughts. And it's being normalized on twitter to be racist towards BTS, even calling them white. Right after grammy there was a space (you know that new twitter feature when you can talk) and more than 30-40 (maybe more) people were talking really horrible racist/homophobic/xenophobic things about BTS, laughing and calling them ch*nks. All of those were western stans. There is recording of it somewhere. No one is playing a victim here where it's happening everyday.
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 28, 2021 16:49:19 GMT -5
So don't you think that if people are trolling on Twitter like this, that other people do it too? Or does it only apply to people who appear to be BTS stans (and most definitely are, but you would never admit that)? Don't you think if these people acting like BTS stans shouldn't be taken seriously, that other people who call BTS horrible things should be? Another example of playing the victim here. No all those pretending to be Armys should be taken seriously because they are not trols. Western stans pretending to be BTS stans. Western stans being racists. Western stans making fake rape allegations. I see a pattern here. I'm not talking about May 2021 accounts with 2 followers here. But actual people which couple thousand followers who are here for years. Those are not trolls. And you can't hide racism behind a troll. Troll is still a human being not a bot. Those are still their thoughts. And it's being normalized on twitter to be racist towards BTS, even calling them white. Right after grammy there was a space (you know that new twitter feature when you can talk) and more than 30-40 (maybe more) people were talking really horrible racist/homophobic/xenophobic things about BTS, laughing and calling them ch*nks. All of those were western stans. There is recording of it somewhere. No one is playing a victim here where it's happening everyday. Again, I don't see how this has any bearing here. This isn't stan twitter, it's a chart discussion thread. We are talking about mass-buying and chart manipulation, no matter how many times you try to throw out the racism card, it won't work. It's no racist or xenophobic to have a general discussion about the ways BTS stans manipulate the charts and gain the system to get hits, the same way we talked about the Barbs doing it last year with Trollz or Swifties doing it this past December with Willow. Pulse has good mods and a pretty good staff that take care of stuff like what you mentioned.
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 16:52:48 GMT -5
I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again. Well looks like my Republican congressman comparison was correct, it's like when the GOP calls the Capitol Insurrectionists "ANTIFA" in disguise. So ARMY's are admonished from any blame I guess? All other stans are horrible but BTS stans do good things and never send death threats or be racist to other artists. Totally. No fandom is 100% good. I never said that. Of course there's some racist people that are army and some edgy teenagers sending death threads. But those infamous death threads to Gaga was mostly western stans cosplaying. Do I think no army was rude towards her? Of course not. I saw some stupid tweets, I'm not denying that. Dumb people are everywhere. But stop making the entire fandom a satanist cult of some kind. And that comparison to republicans is just idiotic. And insulting.
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Post by Mayman on May 28, 2021 16:54:37 GMT -5
So don't you think that if people are trolling on Twitter like this, that other people do it too? Or does it only apply to people who appear to be BTS stans (and most definitely are, but you would never admit that)? Don't you think if these people acting like BTS stans shouldn't be taken seriously, that other people who call BTS horrible things should be? Another example of playing the victim here. No all those pretending to be Armys should be taken seriously because they are not trols. Western stans pretending to be BTS stans. Western stans being racists. Western stans making fake rape allegations. I see a pattern here. I'm not talking about May 2021 accounts with 2 followers here. But actual people which couple thousand followers who are here for years. Those are not trolls. And you can't hide racism behind a troll. Troll is still a human being not a bot. Those are still their thoughts. And it's being normalized on twitter to be racist towards BTS, even calling them white.Β Right after grammy there was a space (you know that new twitter feature when you can talk) and more than 30-40 (maybe more) people were talking really horrible racist/homophobic/xenophobic things about BTS, laughing and calling them ch*nks. All of those were western stans. There is recording of it somewhere. No one is playing a victim here where it's happening everyday. You are so dense. Twitter stans are TROLLS. I'm not trying to endorse what they post as okay, but the entire point of stan Twitter is to defend your fav and troll everyone else. It's also very convenient how anyone who appears to be a BTS stan and hating on someone else is considered to be "fake" and "pretending". I just know that's not true. Maybe some, but not everyone. It's just so funny how you still have this mentality that it's the world vs. BTS. It's not. Stop using twitter trolls as ways to show that people dislike BTS.
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Post by Mayman on May 28, 2021 16:55:30 GMT -5
Well looks like my Republican congressman comparison was correct, it's like when the GOP calls the Capitol Insurrectionists "ANTIFA" in disguise. So ARMY's are admonished from any blame I guess? All other stans are horrible but BTS stans do good things and never send death threats or be racist to other artists. Totally. No fandom is 100% good. I never said that. Of course there's some racist people that are army and some edgy teenagers sending death threads. But those infamous death threads to Gaga was mostly western stans cosplaying. Do I think no army was rude towards her? Of course not. I saw some stupid tweets, I'm not denying that. Dumb people are everywhere. But stop making the entire fandom a satanist cult of some kind.Β And that comparison to republicans is just idiotic. And insulting. But it is?
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 28, 2021 16:55:54 GMT -5
Well looks like my Republican congressman comparison was correct, it's like when the GOP calls the Capitol Insurrectionists "ANTIFA" in disguise. So ARMY's are admonished from any blame I guess? All other stans are horrible but BTS stans do good things and never send death threats or be racist to other artists. Totally. No fandom is 100% good. I never said that. Of course there's some racist people that are army and some edgy teenagers sending death threads. But those infamous death threads to Gaga was mostly western stans cosplaying. Do I think no army was rude towards her? Of course not. I saw some stupid tweets, I'm not denying that. Dumb people are everywhere. But stop making the entire fandom a satanist cult of some kind. And that comparison to republicans is just idiotic. And insulting. My issue right now meg is that every time we bring up the mass-buying, chart manipulation or whatever, the whole "xenophobic" card gets brought up. You can't continue to hide behind racism when genuine chart discussion comes up. I think it's a real issue when the actual most popular song of the week isn't #1, whether it's BTS stans mass-buying or other stans mass-buying songs. We wouldn't be arguing right now about Stans vs. Stans, who's more racist, whatever if you hadn't brought it into this thread.
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 17:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by Limited Edition on May 28, 2021 17:02:20 GMT -5
If you all saw past your clear hate towards BTS (and don't tell me you don't hate them because I saw what some people said in Butter thread) you would admit that Butter is huge. Sure, Olivia dominate apple/spotify. And her numbers are amazing. Good for her. But at the same time Butter is so stable, more than any song they had. They nearly had twice as much streams as Dynamite. And you can't tell me Dynamite wasn't a hit. And streams is not the only way of consuming music but you all clearly see it that way. Their radio spins are much bigger (and it doesn't matter they have a deal, they are big for 5 years in the US they should have those spins long time ago) than miss Olive Garden. And those evil sales. How spending actuall money a chart manipulation? Do they use vpn? Bots? No. That's actual human beings buying a song. When a fanbase is as big as GP you really can look down on it and call it a fraud. And do you think Armys are cloning themself? Where are they coming from? They were a general public once too. But they got sucked into stanning. Most of those pop girls you all stan can barerly sell out an arena. The only one who can sell out stadium is Taylor. And concert tours really shows how much fans artists have. BTS had 90k people singing song in korean at Wembley. Can your girls do that? There are playlists on spotify titled like: Arianators blocking Butter, Blinks blocking Butter, Swifties blocking Butter that are just Olivia focused playlists because people hate BTS so much that they were streaming her song just to see them lose. And some of you behave here in similar way. Even if you don't care about the song, you want it to block Butter just because. That hate they are getting on twitter, being called dog eaters, ch*nks, chinese bottoms, coronovirus, etc by Olivia stans and all those other losers who are token stanning her for no reason at all is getting worse and worse. And then they hide behind Olivia being poc when she is completely white passing and no GP knows she is like 10% filo. Her song is big in one metric. Butter is good in streaming, great on radio and huge with buying. So where is the manipulation? Cool story! Doesn't change the fact that Good 4 u is the most popular song in the country this week
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Post by kimberly on May 28, 2021 17:16:52 GMT -5
Can I also just point out how illogical it is for BTS fans to be doing all this mass buying and fundraising to manipulate the Hot 100 to (allegedly) counteract racism and xenophobia in the West? The amount of $$ they raise to execute this could actually go to communities in the US that are underprivileged and need funding for the arts, but instead these stans collect hundreds of thousands of dollars and funnel them into the US to... make BTS (7 multi millionaires) #1 instead of #2 on a white, Western publication's weekly chart.
#1s are nice and all, but it's another way of seeking Western/white approval if your end goal is just to score a chart topper. Getting "Butter" to #1 instead of #2 won't break any barriers. Especially when they end up cutting into the #1 runs of other people of color in the US ("Dynamite" & "Savage Love" / "WAP", "Life Goes On" / "Mood", "Butter" / "good 4 u").
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Post by kcdawg13 on May 28, 2021 17:18:20 GMT -5
Alright? Nothing about this indicates that they hate BTS because they are Korean, they just dislike the group. I didn't know we couldn't dislike artists now, interesting. Guess all the Chris Brown haters on Pulse like myself are racist.
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Post by sergf13 on May 28, 2021 17:24:15 GMT -5
The meltdown that happens in these threads every time BTS is likely to go #1 is always hilarious to watch, ngl.
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 17:25:09 GMT -5
Can I also just point out how illogical it is for BTS fans to be doing all this mass buying and fundraising to manipulate the Hot 100 to (allegedly) counteract racism and xenophobia in the West? The amount of $$ they raise to execute this could actually go to communities in the US that are underprivileged and need funding for the arts, but instead these stans collect hundreds of thousands of dollars and funnel them into the US to... make BTS (7 multi millionaires) #1 instead of #2 on a white, Western publication's weekly chart.Β #1s are nice and all, but it's another way of seeking Western/white approval if your end goal is just to score a chart topper. Getting "Butter" to #1 instead of #2 won't break any barriers. Especially when they end up cutting into the #1 runs of other people of color in the US ("Dynamite" & "Savage Love" / "WAP", "Life Goes On" / "Mood", "Butter" / "good 4 u"). Are BTS stans some kind of saviours of humanity or something? People keep saying it. Oh they could donate that money to poor people, to Palestine, to BLM, to whatever else. Where is this energy to other stans. It's not like army are known for being charitable and donate a lot of money right? We are not here to save the world. Let people do what they want with their hard earned money my god.
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Post by meg on May 28, 2021 17:27:25 GMT -5
Alright? Nothing about this indicates that they hate BTS because they are Korean, they just dislike the group. I didn't know we couldn't dislike artists now, interesting. Guess all the Chris Brown haters on Pulse like myself are racist. Are you for real right now? Chris Brown is an actual abuser, a horrible man. And you compare him with BTS? What did they do? Absolutely nothing.
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Post by Mathgeek on May 28, 2021 17:28:56 GMT -5
Idk what the heck is going on with this thread but wow, Butter pulled 20M streams from YouTube here in the USA. Pretty sure thatβs a new high for them.
Anyway, props to the fans for supporting the song even if everybody is going to call it illegitimate anyway.
At the end of the day, itβs a chart. Itβs just a chart.
Have a great weekend βπΎ
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Post by mgkjn11 on May 28, 2021 17:30:07 GMT -5
The meltdown that happens in these threads every time BTS is likely to go #1 is always hilarious to watch, ngl. Thatβs what ARMY will do to ya if you let it. Honestly Butter will probably gonna be the song of the summer on Billboard. It is what it is
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Post by kimberly on May 28, 2021 17:31:24 GMT -5
Can I also just point out how illogical it is for BTS fans to be doing all this mass buying and fundraising to manipulate the Hot 100 to (allegedly) counteract racism and xenophobia in the West? The amount of $$ they raise to execute this could actually go to communities in the US that are underprivileged and need funding for the arts, but instead these stans collect hundreds of thousands of dollars and funnel them into the US to... make BTS (7 multi millionaires) #1 instead of #2 on a white, Western publication's weekly chart. #1s are nice and all, but it's another way of seeking Western/white approval if your end goal is just to score a chart topper. Getting "Butter" to #1 instead of #2 won't break any barriers. Especially when they end up cutting into the #1 runs of other people of color in the US ("Dynamite" & "Savage Love" / "WAP", "Life Goes On" / "Mood", "Butter" / "good 4 u"). Are BTS stans some kind of saviours of humanity or something? People keep saying it. Oh they could donate that money to poor people, to Palestine, to BLM, to whatever else. Where is this energy to other stans. It's not like army are known for being charitable and donate a lot of money right? We are not here to save the world. Let people do what they want with their hard earned money my god. I haven't encountered any other fandom that claims to be addressing xenophobia/racism by mass buying.
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Post by sergf13 on May 28, 2021 17:31:29 GMT -5
The meltdown that happens in these threads every time BTS is likely to go #1 is always hilarious to watch, ngl. Thatβs what ARMY will do to ya if you let it. Honestly Butter will probably gonna be the song of the summer on Billboard. It is what it is Yeah people in this thread really just have to let it go. BTS has a massive fandom that can achieve almost anything, and they aren't slowing down any time soon.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 28, 2021 17:31:59 GMT -5
Wow you deny more than a Republican congressman, trust me I also saw Gaga getting death threats after the win. It's ironic that you wrote a whole ass college thesis about the racism BTS receives but deny the hate ARMY's threw at Gaga and call out Oliva for being "white-passing." C'mon I deleted that post for a reason because the pic didn't show up. Those BTS stans sending Gaga death threads were other stans (mostly Gaga and Ariana's stans) cosplaying as army to set them up. Like they always do. I already posted the pictures, so I'm not gonna do that again. How do you know? Were they frisked by Army Lieutenants who discovered they all were carrying Gaga and Ariana stan membership cards? Your claims that speak on behalf of thousands if not millions of people are hilarious because theyβre so far fetched but mostly because you actually expect people to believe them. Army = perfect behaviour in every way down to every last one Other stans = such trash and most are inhuman
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 28, 2021 17:33:21 GMT -5
I'm starting to feel that this will be the longest thread ...
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 28, 2021 17:36:42 GMT -5
I'm starting to feel that this will be the longest thread ... lol, I kind of knew that even before the thread was made. With Butter vs. Olivia album reveal and Tuesday reveal, I would have been surprised if it didn't break the record.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on May 28, 2021 17:42:13 GMT -5
The meltdown that happens in these threads every time BTS is likely to go #1 is always hilarious to watch, ngl. just like it was hilarious to see the fall of "Life Goes On" (1-28-93), one-week credit with the worst song of the year ("Savage Love") and "Dynamite" not charting on the recurrent chart...
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Post by sergf13 on May 28, 2021 17:44:09 GMT -5
The meltdown that happens in these threads every time BTS is likely to go #1 is always hilarious to watch, ngl. just like it was hilarious to see the fall of "Life Goes On" (1-28-93), one-week credit with the worst song of the year ("Savage Love") and "Dynamite" not charting on the recurrent chart... You could at least try to hide your saltiness.
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Post by gikem on May 28, 2021 17:46:31 GMT -5
Ultimately, I'd argue it's more Billboard's fault for not doing anything to stop this than it is Army's fault for wanting to mass-buy their way to the top. Again, if Billboard wanted to keep their charts as accurate as possible and prevent consumers who know them as well as they do from trying to manipulate it, they'd have patched these problems long ago. They're just actively choosing not to because they're a business, and they know BTS going to #1 yet again will get them lots of publicity and thus revenue.
Then again, I would expect nothing less from the company that didn't allow airplay-only singles to cross over for a solid half-decade in the '90s. They're as slow to adapt to change as the US government is.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on May 28, 2021 18:00:03 GMT -5
just like it was hilarious to see the fall of "Life Goes On" (1-28-93), one-week credit with the worst song of the year ("Savage Love") and "Dynamite" not charting on the recurrent chart... You could at least try to hide your saltiness. you got me...I can't. Just like I can't hide the happiness knowing we have stan Twitter on Pulse.
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Post by Envoirment on May 28, 2021 18:00:50 GMT -5
Oo I didn't realise how big the sales are predicted to be for "Butter". Glad BTS manage to get a week at #1. I assume "good 4 u" will be back at #1 next week if sales drop in a similar fashion to "Dynamite". Actually I'd argue that Butter would have an easier time hitting #1 next week. They just released a remix and physical copies are shipping out now, so sales will be pretty stable most likely. Plus Butter will only grow on radio, and will most likely still have the lead over g4u there as well. The only major factor that could change this is streaming, and I think g4u probably peaked there this week. I don't think the sales will be as big week 2, even with the remix/physicals. Olivia's holding up very well in streaming and should have a bigger lead as the video effect for "Butter" will be significantly less week 2. Radio-wise they will likley not have much of a lead on Olivia as the 8th day effect/2nd week gains will very likely be a lot less due to its very strong first week. Olivia won't suffer from that due to "good 4 u" taking off more organically at radio. They have ~16 mil audience lead on her currently. I wouldn't be surprised if this halves or more second week. It could be a lot closer week 2, but we'll see!
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