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Post by Groovy on Jun 20, 2021 15:49:18 GMT -5
Β unlike Justin Bieber's Baby from earlier that year, it has aged remarkably badly in pretty much every aspect. says who? put "Whip My Hair" on at a party and the crowd will go wild. At a party for elementary school kids maybe. |
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Post by gabe on Jun 20, 2021 15:54:51 GMT -5
says who? put "Whip My Hair" on at a party and the crowd will go wild. At a party for elementary school kids maybe. or for the gays girl its pride month |
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Post by gikem on Jun 20, 2021 15:57:00 GMT -5
unlike Justin Bieber's Baby from earlier that year, it has aged remarkably badly in pretty much every aspect. says who? put "Whip My Hair" on at a party and the crowd will go wild. At least in my experience, I've had several friends and mutuals turn around on Baby and say that it actually isn't that bad - the production is fine by 2010 standards, the subject matter is fine for what it is, and Justin himself doesn't sound that bad (although Ludacris' guest verse is unnecessary and drags the song down a bit). I haven't seen that same change in tune for Whip My Hair, with its annoying looped titular line and garish, dated pop-rap production. Most people I see talking up Willow's music nowadays don't bring up her early work for a reason. |
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Post by kimberly on Jun 20, 2021 16:20:06 GMT -5
says who? put "Whip My Hair" on at a party and the crowd will go wild. At a party for elementary school kids maybe. is that your age demographic? |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 20, 2021 16:40:14 GMT -5
At a party for elementary school kids maybe. is that your age demographic? Close, Iβm a just year older than Willow. |
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Post by Groovy on Jun 20, 2021 16:41:14 GMT -5
says who? put "Whip My Hair" on at a party and the crowd will go wild. At least in my experience, I've had several friends and mutuals turn around on Baby and say that it actually isn't that bad - the production is fine by 2010 standards, the subject matter is fine for what it is, and Justin himself doesn't sound that bad (although Ludacris' guest verse is unnecessary and drags the song down a bit). I haven't seen that same change in tune for Whip My Hair, with its annoying looped titular line and garish, dated pop-rap production. Most people I see talking up Willow's music nowadays don't bring up her early work for a reason. Probably because it would be like talking about Jadenβs rap career and bringing up Never Say Never. |
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Post by lurker2 on Jun 20, 2021 17:36:52 GMT -5
Compared to other early '10s pop, I haven't seen much nostalgia for WMH. Pitbull, BEPs, Gaga, Katy Perry, and Taio Cruz (at least in my opinion) have all held up better. Maybe it's for the gays, I guess.
Disclaimer: this is entirely based off what got people turnt at my prom.
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Post by atg on Jun 20, 2021 19:00:18 GMT -5
Blinding Lights expected to pass Sail with 80th week on the Hot 100: Kiss Me More expected to hit a new peak of #4: I really hope this song becomes the actual song of the summer. It really does scream Summer 2021! |
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Post by firefox on Jun 20, 2021 19:06:11 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that Willow was 10 years old when she released Whip My Hair and almost became a top ten hit (it peaked at #11), if ever, she became the youngest artist to have a top ten hit since Michael Jackson(?). Not quite sure.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 20, 2021 19:24:17 GMT -5
Blinding Lights expected to pass Sail with 80th week on the Hot 100: Kiss Me More expected to hit a new peak of #4: I really hope this song becomes the actual song of the summer. It really does scream Summer 2021! We just need Billboard to make a rule change on website sales to make this happen. Good 4 u looks like it is starting to decline, and KMM is going to end up with better longevity. |
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Post by monkeydluffy on Jun 20, 2021 19:26:30 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that Willow was 10 years old when she released Whip My Hair and almost became a top ten hit (it peaked at #11), if ever, she became the youngest artist to have a top ten hit since Michael Jackson(?). Not quite sure. I believe you are correct. MJ's first solo top ten was "Got to Be There" in 1971, which would've made him around 13 years old at the time, but he was 11 when the Jackson 5 went top ten & number one with "I Want You Back", so Willow might've been had it happened, yeah. For fun fact, Stevie Wonder was 13 when "Fingertips" went number one, which is the youngest number one song ever. |
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Jun 20, 2021 20:41:41 GMT -5
I really hope this song becomes the actual song of the summer. It really does scream Summer 2021! We just need Billboard to make a rule change on website sales to make this happen. Good 4 u looks like it is starting to decline, and KMM is going to end up with better longevity. only on streaming, and that's a decline from 3M+ (and 4M) Spotify streams. The song is still above 2M and #1 on AM and #2 on YouTube. If we talk about radio, it's been 5 weeks since Liv released G4U, and it's currently at #17. For comparison, drivers license was already in the top 5 after 5 weeks, and that's a really good sign for G4U's longevity (because the song will eventually reach the top 3 there). |
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2021 20:52:58 GMT -5
As we enter yet another week on rule change discussions, it bears repeating that if it happens at all it likely won't be any time soon. Billboard charts methods and formulas as I understand it are done in collaboration with their clients. (Their clients are not the fans).
I have read every so often they write how this is an industry chart first and foremost and not a fan chart.
If that philosophy is still true, a rule change would come from the industry and people within it rather than social media fan groups.
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Post by lazer on Jun 20, 2021 21:08:48 GMT -5
All the other charts besides the Hot 100 has Good 4 U at #1. The UK Singles charts, Canadian Hot 100, ARIA, and NZ Hot Singles. ALL OF THEM. Butter didn't even hit #1 in those charts. Just admit that the Hot 100 formula is not accurate now.
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Post by Naos on Jun 21, 2021 1:23:31 GMT -5
All the other charts besides the Hot 100 has Good 4 U at #1. The UK Singles charts, Canadian Hot 100, ARIA, and NZ Hot Singles. ALL OF THEM. Butter didn't even hit #1 in those charts. Just admit that the Hot 100 formula is not accurate now. How is using the charts of other countries valid in any way as to ascertain what is the most popular on the US charts? |
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Post by algo on Jun 21, 2021 1:48:54 GMT -5
All the other charts besides the Hot 100 has Good 4 U at #1. The UK Singles charts, Canadian Hot 100, ARIA, and NZ Hot Singles. ALL OF THEM. Butter didn't even hit #1 in those charts. Just admit that the Hot 100 formula is not accurate now. How is using the charts of other countries valid in any way as to ascertain what is the most popular on the US charts? if the #1 song has less streams than the entire top ten, there's a flaw in the formula. |
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Post by Naos on Jun 21, 2021 2:08:19 GMT -5
How is using the charts of other countries valid in any way as to ascertain what is the most popular on the US charts? if the #1 song has less streams than the entire top ten, there's a flaw in the formula. Could that same argument not be made if a song mainly just has streaming and nothing else? |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jun 21, 2021 3:37:17 GMT -5
As we enter yet another week on rule change discussions, it bears repeating that if it happens at all it likely won't be any time soon. Billboard charts methods and formulas as I understand it are done in collaboration with their clients. (Their clients are not the fans). translation - if website sales will be removed at all, they will be removed the week after βButterβ goes recurrent Edit - if anything, BB will implement a rule that Oricon (I think?) has. Someone mentioned it earlier (I could find the comment but Iβm tired and sad) that sales count for less & less chart points after a certain threshold is met & the higher they are |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jun 21, 2021 4:23:41 GMT -5
if the #1 song has less streams than the entire top ten, there's a flaw in the formula. Could that same argument not be made if a song mainly just has streaming and nothing else? No because streaming is by far the biggest form of consumption |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 21, 2021 6:40:13 GMT -5
As we enter yet another week on rule change discussions, it bears repeating that if it happens at all it likely won't be any time soon. Billboard charts methods and formulas as I understand it are done in collaboration with their clients. (Their clients are not the fans). translation - if website sales will be removed at all, they will be removed the week after βButterβ goes recurrent Edit - if anything, BB will implement a rule that Oricon (I think?) has. Someone mentioned it earlier (I could find the comment but Iβm tired and sad) that sales count for less & less chart points after a certain threshold is met & the higher they are Not really. Billboard didn't wait until Thrift Shop's run at #1 was done to implement streaming and it certainly didn't wait until Uptown Funk's run was over to implement the 25/52 rule. Billboard can implement the rule during the middle of Butter's run. The last few weeks were debatable, but there is no debate this week: Good 4 u led the entire week and was clearly the #1 song for the 6/26 chart week. If G4u is not #1 this week, that will be the final straw and you can bet your bottom dollar that a new rule will be implemented soon (possibly even in time to save Doja/Ed). |
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Post by spiritboy on Jun 21, 2021 6:57:12 GMT -5
Maybe some of you guys should stop following hot 100 charts or threads until a change (if ever) happens. Complaining about it every 2-3 pages is trolling at this point.It is what it is and if you can't handle that, follow other charts, easy as that. Labels make more money by website sales than streaming so i doubt they will ask Billboard to stop counting them.
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Post by Lukas on Jun 21, 2021 6:59:17 GMT -5
Lmao you're wrong if you think that Butter being #1 this week will be the "final straw" for them. This is actually exactly what Billboard wants to happen; clout from BTS stans for BTS topping their charts for yet another week. It doesn't matter if the song will have only around 12.5 million streams, no one cares about that except for dedicated chart-watchers. Nothing as of yet is anything as abysmal as to what happened with "Dynamite" so far and nothing changed during that song's chart run.
Quite frankly, the only way Billboard will make a change at this point is if Butter remains at #1 for basically the rest of the year with their currently flawed formula.
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Post by Gary on Jun 21, 2021 7:11:27 GMT -5
LOL to the "final straw" comment. Will the new rule be implemented soon in time to save Doja?
These are not fan charts - these are industry charts. Any forthcoming rule change will happen because the industry wants to see it, not the fans.
Billboard is not catering to one artist or another or favoring one over another. If their clients within the industry dictate change and ban website sales then they will change, otherwise you guys may be in for quite a wait.
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Post by rimetm on Jun 21, 2021 7:19:10 GMT -5
Are we just pretending that the change to bundling last year didn't happen? Labels clearly didn't want it, considering they still did bundling all the way up to the switchover, with Atlantic even loopholing a way past the deadline by doing preorder bundles. That was in response, at least seemingly, to the public relations embarrassment the Gooba exposΓ© gave Billboard, so yes, I think if we can get enough prominent eyes on the Butter situation, Billboard can be shamed into doing something.
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Post by gs on Jun 21, 2021 7:29:41 GMT -5
LOL to the "final straw" comment. Will the new rule be implemented soon in time to save Doja? These are not fan charts - these are industry charts. Any forthcoming rule change will happen because the industry wants to see it, not the fans. Billboard is not catering to one artist or another or favoring one over another. If their clients within the industry dictate change and ban website sales then they will change, otherwise you guys may be in for quite a wait. I'm sure Interscope is not happy that their artist is getting blocked by website sales which only benefit artists with massive fanbases and prevent breakouts like Olivia from shining |
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Post by shayonce on Jun 21, 2021 7:41:49 GMT -5
yeah. there're only handful of artists who can sell big numbers on artist homepage.
and considering Billboard removed that sales from their new global chart, they're heading for that.
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Post by rimetm on Jun 21, 2021 7:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the other thing, the Global 200 indicated a pivot that hasn't been reflected on the Hot 100 yet: a representation of core revenue. The value of a sale relative to a stream on the Global 200 is roughly consistent with the industry standard, while on the Hot 100 it's still double what it should be (and in the case of Butter's forever-discount, quadruple...). Honestly, fixing any of the five issues (inflated formula, a lack of compensation for discounts, per version bulk limits, the concept of a bulk limit above 1 in regards to a market dominated by digital goods, webstore sales) would make the BTS problem go away to some extent.
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Post by gs on Jun 21, 2021 7:52:40 GMT -5
yeah. there're only handful of artists who can sell big numbers on artist homepage. and considering Billboard removed that sales from their new global chart, they're heading for that. I think that was done to limit the influence of the US on the chart because that's the country where D2C campaigns are most prominent. The stream weights already massively favor the US/western countries. But this is still a good point because recurrency exists in part to help new and developing artists/tracks to chart. If a developing artist without a big fanbase is getting blocked, especially considering in consumption/revenue Butter is not even #1 (especially considering the perma-sales discount they have, which should be weighted differently, but that's another story) then that's a problem. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 21, 2021 7:56:08 GMT -5
Recurrency is a good example - that exists for the industry not the fans- as a fan I would love for the Hot 100 to reflect the actual 100 most popular songs but I know that is not going to happen
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 21, 2021 8:08:10 GMT -5
How is using the charts of other countries valid in any way as to ascertain what is the most popular on the US charts? if the #1 song has less streams than the entire top ten, there's a flaw in the formula. Sure, but thatβs separate from how things are going in other countries. |
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