Billboard Hot 100: 07/17/2021

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 7, 2021 9:32:01 GMT -5 meg said:

Jul 7, 2021 9:18:40 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How much do you get paid to spew stuff on here?

$5K for every comment. What? Are you interested in the deal too?

Also you all get mad for people screenshoting you and posting on twitter but you are screenshooting army from twitter and post here. Hypocrites much?

Now what I really don’t get is, you clearly don’t like anyone here, so why do you post?

[thabb]

I feel like being a (casual) Kpop fan myself has given me some special insight into this whole Army/Hot 100/Butter discourse.

Most people on this forum probably wouldn't know this, but South Korea has its own equivalent to the Hot 100 known as the Gaon Digital Chart. It's basically a revenue chart of the most streamed and bought songs of the week. The chart is generally streaming-dominant as streaming is currently the public's favourite method of music consumption after digital sales collapsed in the country by the mid-2010's.

Much like the Hot 100, because of the chart being so streaming-dominant (ergo, hits in South Korea are generally streaming-dominant), any fandom-driven sales campaign has outsized impact on the chart. Recent examples of this include Im Youngwoong's (a trot singer) "My Starry Love" and Kang Daniel's (former boygroup member) "Antidote". Both recently went #1 on the Gaon Digital Chart because of massive fandom-driven sales campaigns. Seventeen and NCT (other boygroups) also benefit from these kinds of campaigns.

Exo also benefitted from this same kind of campaign in 2017 with their song "Ko Ko Bop". Their Chinese fandom was literally collaborating with the Korean fandom to raise funds to keep buying downloads to keep it at #1 on Gaon. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

The funny thing is that international Kpop fans including BTS fans constantly grill those artists (ESPECIALLY Exo) for being sales-driven because they fall down the Digital Chart quite rapidly after the first week of the sales campaigns are done, unlike BTS who are actually popular with the Korean public and thus don't fall down rapidly after fans buy the song in the first week. Literally just look at the mentions of any Korean chart info account on Twitter.

Big digital numbers from these sales campaigns also typically block artists from achieving wins on music shows. This happened last fall with Dynamite vs Seventeen's "Home Run" on Music Bank.

The point that I'm trying to make is, it's very interesting to see how BTS fans lash out at and mock Kpop singers who chart high in South Korea on the back of fan-driven sales, but then lash out at people who point out that BTS experiences the same thing in the US.

I think other Kpop fans can definitely vouch for me on this.

[meg]

Jul 7, 2021 9:33:26 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 7, 2021 9:32:01 GMT -5 meg said:

$5K for every comment. What? Are you interested in the deal too?

Also you all get mad for people screenshoting you and posting on twitter but you are screenshooting army from twitter and post here. Hypocrites much?

Now what I really don’t get is, you clearly don’t like anyone here, so why do you post?

Actually I do like some very knowledge people here who mind their business and I enjoy reading threads about artists and albums I like. Outside of those hot100 threads are very decend people here. 

And also I don't comment anymore about all that chart manipulation discussion because it's boring at this point. But some of you making up stuff like teenage armys spending every little money they have it's just annoying and far from the true.

[Az Paynter]

"One rule for them, and one rule for me!"

[iamsorare]

Poor Doja..they picked the wrong single. They released 'you right' only cause of The Weeknd..her label still doesn't trust her to release solo songs. 'ain't s**t' is smashing...#4 on apple music,#10 on usa Spotify.. the new 'streets'..another smash hit wasted cause the label doesn't know how to treat their artists..

[wavey.]

Jul 7, 2021 9:38:57 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Poor Doja..they picked the wrong single. They released 'you right' only cause of The Weeknd..her label still doesn't trust her to release solo songs. 'ain't s**t' is smashing...#4 on apple music,#10 on usa Spotify.. the new 'streets'..another smash hit wasted cause the label doesn't know how to treat their artists..

It just dropped. There's a chance it'll still rise over time. The song is really off to a good start overall.

[iamsorare]

Jul 7, 2021 9:44:11 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jul 7, 2021 9:38:57 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Poor Doja..they picked the wrong single. They released 'you right' only cause of The Weeknd..her label still doesn't trust her to release solo songs. 'ain't s**t' is smashing...#4 on apple music,#10 on usa Spotify.. the new 'streets'..another smash hit wasted cause the label doesn't know how to treat their artists..

It just dropped. There's a chance it'll still rise over time. The song is really off to a good start overall.

the ironic thing is that many people said that 'you right' sounds like 'god is a woman'..and now 'you right' debuted at the same position like 'god is a woman'..god is a woman peaked later at #8 cause of the album release effect boost..you right doesn't have this advantage now cause the album release effect already happened..I hope that it will go top 10 in the future but post malone , another BTS track and probably drake is coming this summer so it will be difficult

[jeiboy]

153k sales in US are by no means equating to US popularity. Not when they are using funs from BTS stans from around the world to manipulate the US charts. The same group of stans are buying the same song multiple times every week from their website using funds from the international stans. Having said that, Billboard needs to change their formula. It is very inaccurate and flawed.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/07/07

1(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 97.39(-0.23)
2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 85.20(+0.20)
3(+1) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 82.38(-0.67)
4(-1) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 82.30(-1.22)
5(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 79.63(+0.79)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 69.62(+1.37)
7(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 63.28(-0.39)
8(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 60.70(+0.90)
9(=) The Kid LAROI & Miley Cyrus - WITHOUT YOU (Miley Cyrus Remix) 52.53(+0.03)
10(+1) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 49.48(+1.03)

14(+2) GIVĒON - Heartbreak Anniversary 46.41(+0.84) +

24(+2) Chase Rice - Drinkin' Beer. Talkin' God. Amen. (feat. Florida Georgia Line) 33.96(+1.02)

28(+2) Polo G - RAPSTAR 31.79(+0.76)

44(+2) Luke Bryan - Waves 25.28(+0.96)

57(+3) Doja Cat & The Weeknd - You Right 20.99(+0.86)

-(-) Dua Lipa - Love Again 6.19(+0.73)

-(-) J Balvin & Skrillex - In Da Getto 4.73(+0.96)

[85la]

Jul 7, 2021 9:17:30 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:01:17 GMT -5 ¤ Matthea ¤ said:

Adele and BTS are labelmates in the US. Columbia wouldn't complain about BTS blocking Adele, they wouldn't release Adele's new single while the Army is mass buying and delivering weeks at #1 for their label.

Is it reasonable to suggest that Adele’s delay is being extended purely because of BTS?

That is entirely reasonable to suggest.


Another thing I worry about with this whole BTS drama is the precedence it could be setting. If Billboard doesn't change the rules, and other labels and artists' fan groups see that this is what it takes to get to number one, rather than fighting it they might try to join in on the tactic as well, in which case the Hot 100 will effectively become an arms race of fan-driven mass buying campaigns... whoever has the most money wins, similar to how politicians and elections are run these days. Hopefully it won't become that extreme, but business tactics are always changing and morphing with the times based on whatever regulations are in place.

[Groovy]

I just realized other than Butter, the entire top 10 is also in the top 10 in radio, I guess this really is a summer lull.

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 7, 2021 8:48:47 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

It's pretty obvious at this point that Good 4 u is going to return to #1 on the Hot 100 this week. Just like with LTDO, G4u just feels too big to only be a one-week #1.

Maybe you should stick to posting only about Blinding Lights.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 7, 2021 10:57:47 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:48:47 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

It's pretty obvious at this point that Good 4 u is going to return to #1 on the Hot 100 this week. Just like with LTDO, G4u just feels too big to only be a one-week #1.

Maybe you should stick to posting only about Blinding Lights.

Okay then, Blinding Lights will be charting higher than both Butter and Good 4 u in 3 months time. I honestly don’t care which song is #1 because both Butter and G4u are hardly listenable. I’d much rather Kiss Me More be #1.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 7, 2021 11:15:32 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 7, 2021 10:57:47 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Maybe you should stick to posting only about Blinding Lights.

G4u are hardly listenable

Okay maybe you shouldn't talk at all

[notgoodenglish]

Beggin’ number 4 on US Spotify ! <3 RATATATAAA

[nathanalbright]

Jul 7, 2021 11:15:32 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 7, 2021 10:57:47 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Maybe you should stick to posting only about Blinding Lights.

Okay then, Blinding Lights will be charting higher than both Butter and Good 4 u in 3 months time. I honestly don’t care which song is #1 because both Butter and G4u are hardly listenable. I’d much rather Kiss Me More be #1.

Well, that certainly is an opinion.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 7, 2021 8:56:31 GMT -5 lazer said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:48:47 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

It's pretty obvious at this point that Good 4 u is going to return to #1 on the Hot 100 this week. Just like with LTDO, G4u just feels too big to only be a one-week #1.

You might want to delete this before someone from Twitter screenshots this.

I won't delete. I know for a fact that a song unranked on Apple Music (which ranks over 1300 songs) will not be #1 over a song that is #1 on AM and Spotify, as well as #6 on both radio and the iTunes chart. This is just basic math. Good 4 u will be #1 on the 7/17 chart guaranteed.

[rimetm]

Jul 7, 2021 12:03:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:56:31 GMT -5 lazer said:

You might want to delete this before someone from Twitter screenshots this.

I won't delete. I know for a fact that a song unranked on Apple Music (which ranks over 1300 songs) will not be #1 over a song that is #1 on AM and Spotify, as well as #6 on both radio and the iTunes chart. This is just basic math. Good 4 u will be #1 on the 7/17 chart guaranteed.

You're either being willfully obtuse on this, or you really haven't been paying attention to the paces here. On radio, Butter will likely have another 3% bump to ~29.1m AI. On streaming, it might dip another 10% at worst, to 9.9m streams. To nab the #1 this week, they'd need around 103k sales, which it looks like they'll be exceeding quite handily this week even accounting for people only preordering Permission to Dance on the webstore.

You can argue about whether it's a #1 that will stand in the event of some corrective rulechange in the future, but in the current ruleset, it's far more viable than you're giving it credit for.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 5, 2021 21:10:09 GMT -5 jeiboy said:

Butter is out of the Apple Music Chart Top 200!

Wow, well we all know it's literally just these physical sales campaigns keeping the song on top.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 07/06/21

1(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 1,831,210 (+97,421)
2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,216,064 (+454)
3(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 997,960 (+86,291)
4(+3) Måneskin - Beggin' 949,687 (+104,771)
5(+3) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 948,667 (+108,834)
6(-1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 924,906 (+20,423)
7(-4) Dua Lipa - Levitating 921,819 (-32,380)
8(-2) Polo G - RAPSTAR 919,441 (+45,195)
9(=) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 863,423 (+58,838)
10(+7) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 840,793 (+173,065)

Others:
11(-1) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 825,060 (+36,568)
12(+6) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 783,795 (+136,798)
13(=) Tyler The Creator, YoungBoy Never Broke Again, Ty Dolla $ign - WUSYANAME 760,986 (+18,514)
14(-3) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 760,365 (+14,316)
15(=) Drake - Wants and Needs 737,887 (+43,724)
16(-4) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 737,887 (-7,778)
17(-1) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 704,902 (+26,216)
18(+3) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 689,646 (+100,784)
19(-5) Justin Bieber - Peaches 647,022 (-67,450)
20(+2) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 645,827 (+63,658)
22(-3) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 606,162 (-5,958)
23(+4) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 588,761 (+75,539)
24(-4) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 569,849 (-19,578)
25(-1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 559,981 (+2,583)
26(-1) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 556,145 (+2,398)
27(-1) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 550,628 (+36,565)
28(+3) Doja Cat - Need to Know 521,098 (+53,800)
29(-1) BTS - Butter 519,569 (+14,767)
30(-1) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 518,623 (+27,461)
31(-1) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 502,909 (+24,449)
32(+3) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 500,730 (+64,847)
33(+1) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 471,516 (+33,580)
34(+12) Olivia Rodrigo - enough for you 458,380 (+68,647)
35(debut) Bad Bunny - De Museo 458,276
36(+8) Cochise, $NOT - Tell Em 455,118 (+58,328)
37(+2) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 451,288 (+27,166)
38(-1) Maroon 5 - Beautiful Mistakes 433,876 (+6,302)
40(+2) Tyler the Creator - JUGGERNAUT 428,509 (+24,822)
41(=) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 425,003 (+17,137)
42(-2) Saweetie - Best Friend 412,482 (-1,633)
43(-5) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 401,499 (-24,811)
45(+6) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 397,495 (+20,884)
46(+19) Olivia Rodrigo - 1 step forward, 3 steps back 392,555 (+55,703)
47(+6) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 390,998 (+36,168)
48(+4) Bella Poarch - Build a Bitch 385,870 (+21,710)
49(-2) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 382,112 (+1,036)
50(+8) Surf Curse - Freaks 382,075 (+34,751)
52(+2) Kali Uchis - telepatía 369,017 (+16,192)
55(+14) Bo Burnham - All Eyes On Me 361,857 (+31,870)
57(+15) Brent Faiyaz - Wasting Time 358,408 (+32,495)
59(+11) Tyler the Creator - LEMONHEAD 353,564 (+25,257)
60(+4) J. Cole - m y . l i f e 352,634 (+15,392)
62(+14) Doja Cat - I Don't Do Drugs 347,835 (+37,816)
63(-1) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 346,176 (+6,953)
64(+7) Tyler the Creator - LUMBERJACK 345,526 (+17,314)
65(+10) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 343,394 (+32,291)
68(+21) Olivia Rodrigo - hope ur ok 336,803 (+49,712)
69(-12) Luke Combs - Forever After All 333,997 (-16,445)
70(+13) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 331,526 (+35,867)
72(+1) Tyler the Creator - SWEET / I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DANCE 329,890 (+14,280)
75(+4) J. Cole - p r i d e . i s . t h e . d e v i l 322,123 (+17,761)
77(+9) Interney Money - His & Hers 317,668 (+27,564)
80(=) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 306,084 (+8,421)
81(+11) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 305,061 (+22,829)
82(+8) Polo G - GANG GANG 303,856 (+19,824)
84(+4) Tyler the Creator - HOT WIND BLOWS 300,497 (+12,982)
86(+5) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha 296,622 (+13,700)
88(+24) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 288,109 (+22,460)
89(+26) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 287,631 (+25,997)
94(+7) Billie Eilish - Lost Cause 286,011 (+13,094)
95(+31) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 280,765 (+30,421)
97(+23) Big Red Machine - Renegade 280,646 (+19,990)
98(+2) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 280,138 (+7,217)

104(-6) Migos - Having Our Way 277,058 (+2,374)
106(+22) Doja Cat - Woman 276,176 (+27,352)
109(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 270,878 (+3,398)
110(+42) Polo G - No Return 270,155 (+43,347)
114(+39) Madison Beer - Reckless 262,842 (+36,950)
117(+53) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 255,850 (+41,841)
119(+25) Trinidad Cardona - Dinero 250,808 (+18,208)
124(+17) Migos - Straightenin 245,559 (+8,853)
125(+39) Bo Burnham - Look Who's Inside Again 245,138 (+26,962)
131(+7) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY 242,876 (+2,734)
134(+39) PinkPantheress - Pain 241,170 (+28,767)
136(-18) Chris Young, Kane Brown - Famous Friends 239,889 (-21,543)
140(=) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 236,692 (-174)
141(+18) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Ski 235,996 (+12,993)
142(+6) Lorde - Solar Power 235,086 (+3,911)
143(re-entry) Imagine Dragons - Wrecked 233,381
148(+38) Duncan Laurence - Arcade 226,838 (+22,720)
149(+22) Galantis - Heartbreak Anthem 225,421 (+11,703)
152(+48) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 222,582 (+24,520)
157(+10) G Herbo, Polo G, Lil Tjay - Cry No More 219,402 (+4,598)
184(-22) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 206,140 (-13,169)

Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 824,878

Biggest Gains (50K+): 1 step forward 3 steps back, Tell Em, enough for you, Red Light Green Light, Need to Know, jealousy jealousy, drivers license, brutal, happier, favorite crime, Ain't Shit, You Right, traitor, Beggin', deja vu, good 4 u

[andrebra]

Jul 7, 2021 12:03:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:56:31 GMT -5 lazer said:

You might want to delete this before someone from Twitter screenshots this.

I won't delete. I know for a fact that a song unranked on Apple Music (which ranks over 1300 songs) will not be #1 over a song that is #1 on AM and Spotify, as well as #6 on both radio and the iTunes chart. This is just basic math. Good 4 u will be #1 on the 7/17 chart guaranteed.

Dude I don’t like Butter but you’re straight up wrong about it not being in the top 1,300 songs. It’s currently #33 under the pop sub-category on the app. You can’t always trust Kworb for Apple rankings as they have been wrong many times before.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jul 7, 2021 12:03:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 7, 2021 8:56:31 GMT -5 lazer said:

You might want to delete this before someone from Twitter screenshots this.

I won't delete. I know for a fact that a song unranked on Apple Music (which ranks over 1300 songs) will not be #1 over a song that is #1 on AM and Spotify, as well as #6 on both radio and the iTunes chart. This is just basic math. Good 4 u will be #1 on the 7/17 chart guaranteed.

This confidence coming from the same person who was SO CERTAIN Blinding Lights would spend one last week in the Top 10 in May just because they talked about it a lot.

[jeiboy]

http://instagram.com/p/CRCPfddhgyQ

Lets go POSTY!

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Btw Halsey revealed her album is being release August 27 and shows the cover art.

I can't post here and once you see it, you'll see why.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

His voice is...weird

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 7, 2021 13:02:14 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jul 7, 2021 12:03:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I won't delete. I know for a fact that a song unranked on Apple Music (which ranks over 1300 songs) will not be #1 over a song that is #1 on AM and Spotify, as well as #6 on both radio and the iTunes chart. This is just basic math. Good 4 u will be #1 on the 7/17 chart guaranteed.

This confidence coming from the same person who was SO CERTAIN Blinding Lights would spend one last week in the Top 10 in May just because they talked about it a lot.

I’ll gladly trade off not getting the one final week in the Top 10 for 2 (and possibly 3) final weeks in the Top 15 - after it was left for dead - and the all-time longevity record.

[nathanalbright]

Indeed, I figured something like that was the case.

[thegreatdivine]

Jul 7, 2021 13:32:14 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

His voice is...weird

It's drowned out in autotune, even more than usual.

[Choco]

The sound is terrible on that snippet. If the point was to make it sound like crap then they succeeded.

I love Posty, I hope this doesn't end the streak of all his lead singles being really good imo.

[Clode]

Jul 7, 2021 10:34:49 GMT -5 jeiboy said:

153k sales in US are by no means equating to US popularity. Not when they are using funs from BTS stans from around the world to manipulate the US charts. The same group of stans are buying the same song multiple times every week from their website using funds from the international stans. Having said that, Billboard needs to change their formula. It is very inaccurate and flawed.

Look I love viewing the Billboard charts but the fact that they haven't done anything to stop these Stans from Manipulating their way to multiple weeks at 1# is simply unbelievable. How can a song that is Streaming nowhere near as good as Olivia's song is and doesn't have the amount of Radio airplay that her song has able to hold onto the Top spot simply because of it's supposed real Sales, It's pretty clear that if Billboard actually did something about this that "Butter" wouldn't even be placing in the Top 10 right now, Which means that "You Right" in reality actually did debut in the Top 10.