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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 19, 2021 2:11:09 GMT -5
You guys don't get it, songs that rely entirely on website sales such as Mood and MEBF would go recurrent if UGC was still part of the formula. "MEBF relies entirely on website sales". You're joking right? RIGHT π? they weren't being serious lol |
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Post by mylo on Jul 19, 2021 2:36:01 GMT -5
Are the charts about what's popular?
Someone over on r/Popheads is arguing that Butter deserves no.1 over G4U because charts are a measure of " what sells well and a few other rankings " and that Butter numbers have always been better than G4U numbers so Butter deserves no.1 but isn't G4U ahead of it literally everywhere?
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Post by gs on Jul 19, 2021 2:59:47 GMT -5
I don't know how many times it needs to be explained but Butter has never outsold G4U in units with Billboard's revenue-reflective method except when its cassettes/vinyls shipped... and even then, the gap was small (~10k units) that radio could've legitimately overcome it anyways.
Butter was never #1 in anything other than the Hot 100's comically flawed formula which overweighs sales by double the actual rate they should weigh. It's so funny when BTS stans reply with "BuT SaLeZ PaY ArTIStS MoRE ThAN StrEamS", your stupid ass mass bought sales are literally discounted to 69 cents, how about paying the actual full price if your goal was to support the artist and not manipulate the charts? Plus, BTS always has a huge free stream rate thanks to its huge YouTube streams lmao, so they're not even using paid streaming services anyway to support them while streaming. Just pathetic.
"Stay" earned Columbia more money than "Permission To Dance" did AND is the most popular song of the week. "Permission To Dance" is #1 solely thanks to Billboard's absurdly bad formula. Period.
Frankly Billboard deserves to have its terrible chart gamed anyway, I hope their integrity continues to erode and they become more and more of a joke
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Post by leoapp on Jul 19, 2021 4:37:32 GMT -5
Watch out, maybr Ed Sheeran Feat BTS - Bad Habits (Remix), in a few weeks....
A potential 6th no.1 for BTS, just like how Savage Love (Remix) topped the chart last year
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Post by aussie1 on Jul 19, 2021 5:02:20 GMT -5
^ I wouldn't put that past Ed he is a chart watcher so no doubt seeing his song not being on top would be bothering him slightly (it shouldn't it's still doing very well).
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jul 19, 2021 5:04:04 GMT -5
Are the charts about what's popular? Someone over on r/Popheads is arguing that Butter deserves no.1 over G4U because charts are a measure of " what sells well and a few other rankings " and that Butter numbers have always been better than G4U numbers so Butter deserves no.1 but isn't G4U ahead of it literally everywhere? That might be true if it werenβt for Twitter donation farms that solicit international funds for the explicit purpose of gaming the charts. The plausible deniability of the βdedicated fan campaignβ wears off quickly when itβs not even measuring US consumption. |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jul 19, 2021 6:27:50 GMT -5
Watch out, maybr Ed Sheeran Feat BTS - Bad Habits (Remix), in a few weeks.... A potential 6th no.1 for BTS, just like how Savage Love (Remix) topped the chart last year Considering Ed already wrote Permission to Dance, I wouldn't rule this out |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 19, 2021 6:43:16 GMT -5
if permission is this year's life goes on (which remains to be seen), what artist would be hungry enough for a #1 to try for a savage love? the writer of permission, perhaps? *doing my best phieaglesfan712 impression* Blinding Lights! I don't see that happening at this point, but I can see RM hopping on a remix in Week 88, like he did during OTR's 17th week at #1. I would love to see Kiss Me More get the BTS remix, and finally get the #1 it (rightfully) deserves. |
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Post by strongerq on Jul 19, 2021 7:03:55 GMT -5
if permission is this year's life goes on (which remains to be seen), what artist would be hungry enough for a #1 to try for a savage love? the writer of permission, perhaps? Since noone gave you the actual answer.
Coldplay will get their second #1 Hot 100 hit, thanks to "My Universe" with BTS. BTS's label Big Hit made a statement "it is difficult to confirm" (since information leaked, maybe the song itself idk & dc tbh). Look up on twitter, must be some information out there.
Most #1s in a single clendar year.
6 - The Beatles - 1964
5 - The Beatles - 1965
4 - Elvis Presley (1956 & 1957) / The Supremes (1965) / Jackson 5 (1970) / George Michael (1988) / Usher (2004) / Rihanna (2010)
FuΡking joke of a company, this manipulation has beeen going on since October 2019 (on this level), they fixed some thngs but a lot of big problems still remain. 2 years with fake Π°ss #1s.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 19, 2021 8:43:46 GMT -5
The dirty secret with UGC is that the types that most people consider valid, aka Song UGC, has only a modest impact. The majority of them were Non-Song UGC, the aforementioned βsnippets in unrelated videosβ type, and Iβm quite happy theyβre gone. Losing Song UGC with the arrival of the Global 200 felt like overkill, but the actual effect on the charts has been minimal. This. This is the problem everyone has amnesia about. Harlem Shake, anyone? Baby Shark? Old Town Road's insane domination? The one song I don't even remember the name of that debuted at #9 and fell off the week after all because it was background noise in a viral romance video? It isn't the beautifully perfect measurement y'all are claiming it to be. I do agree it should count, but it would need to be strictly regulated, and they aren't even regulating literal cheating with website sales right now, so I highly doubt any regulations for UGC counting would be applicated. I think UGC should count, but if weβre concerned about a Harlem Shake situation, add a time element to it (though with songs getting a shorter, that could become an issue eventually anyway.) My opinion is that if weβre measuring popularity and consumption (whether active or passive), count everything. That song at the end of movie credits in the theatre? Count it based on audience attendance numbers. That song in the new Apple TV ad? Count it based on television ratings. People are hearing these songs and in many cases, reacting to them. Count them all. The Super Bowl halftime show performance? Count that too. Grammy performances? Yes. These are often the most talked-about songs/artists of that tracking period. |
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Post by spiritboy on Jul 19, 2021 9:07:26 GMT -5
I would like Madonna to work with BTS to have the oldest female popstar debuting at #1 record :kii:
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Post by gikem on Jul 19, 2021 9:42:28 GMT -5
FWIW, Stay has debuted at #1 on the Rolling Stone charts, with PTD coming in at #2 and Motley Crew at #4. Butter slips to #8, losing 57.9K units.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 19, 2021 9:52:15 GMT -5
^Looks like Butter has finally melted ...
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Post by gikem on Jul 19, 2021 10:04:35 GMT -5
^Looks like Butter has finally melted ... We'll see how it translates on the Hot 100, but that's a 33.8% drop in units. TOTC may have been right after all. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 19, 2021 10:08:45 GMT -5
^Let's hope so.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 19, 2021 10:08:56 GMT -5
Doesn't RS exclude airplay? 'Cause if 'Stay' is #1 there, then wouldn't that mean PTD misses #1 on Billboard as well? Since 'Stay' would also have airplay advantage over that.
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gikem
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Post by gikem on Jul 19, 2021 10:12:09 GMT -5
Doesn't RS exclude airplay? 'Cause if 'Stay' is #1 there, then wouldn't that mean PTD misses #1 on Billboard as well? Since 'Stay' would also have airplay advantage over that. Yes, but Billboard weighs sales much more heavily than RS, so PTD has the clear advantage on that basis alone. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 19, 2021 10:15:41 GMT -5
Wow I already can't stand the amount of bragging the army will do when they successfully mass buy 6 songs in a year and some change lmao
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 19, 2021 10:16:17 GMT -5
I still think Stay debuts at #2 on the Hot 100 (behind PTD), and will eventually get to #1 like Up and LTDO.
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Post by leoapp on Jul 19, 2021 10:49:43 GMT -5
Were The BEP, the last group to replace themselves at no.1 Hot 100 in 2009?
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Post by GW on Jul 19, 2021 10:57:36 GMT -5
Were The BEP, the last group to replace themselves at no.1 Hot 100 in 2009? Yes. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 19, 2021 10:59:07 GMT -5
Were The BEP, the last group to replace themselves at no.1 Hot 100 in 2009? Yes, Iβm still amazed at how they broke several records, some even dating back to The Beatles in 1964, with just 2 songs. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 19, 2021 11:07:48 GMT -5
That makes sense since in the streaming/rap featurings era that has ensued since, there have been significantly fewer groups making impacts
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Post by Groovy on Jul 19, 2021 11:11:14 GMT -5
This is definitely the most interesting and unpredictable weeks weβve had in some time, even the predictors on Twitter all over the place.
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Post by dodgerslakers94 on Jul 19, 2021 11:30:49 GMT -5
Were The BEP, the last group to replace themselves at no.1 Hot 100 in 2009? No. Taylor Swift replaced herself in November 2014 with Shake It Off and Blank Space. |
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 19, 2021 11:31:46 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is not a group.
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Post by dodgerslakers94 on Jul 19, 2021 11:32:45 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is not a group. That was my bad. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 19, 2021 11:38:28 GMT -5
Were The BEP, the last group to replace themselves at no.1 Hot 100 in 2009? No. Taylor Swift replaced herself in November 2014 with Shake It Off and Blank Space. Odd coincidence that both the AATB/SIO and Good 4 u/Butter deadlocks weβre broken by self-replacement. |
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Post by livelightning on Jul 19, 2021 12:06:02 GMT -5
Lmao rip Butter
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Post by Ryan on Jul 19, 2021 12:07:48 GMT -5
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