Billboard Hot 100: 08/21/2021

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Aug 10, 2021 9:24:49 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:12:18 GMT -5 GP said:

I don't specifically know why, but major heads of labels and Spotify have said that constantly releasing helps a lot in popularity in the streaming era. Look at Khalid, he stopped releasing for a while and now he can't get a top40. Rihanna didn't start in the streaming era tho and of course has a massive pull of being one of the most popular artists ever.

I do agree about the toll in quality tho

Just my two cents, but I believe that artists have the industry backing (read: streaming service on their side) as long as they keep putting out stuff as it is easy for Spotify and others to keep playlisting artists that are active all the time. They are like: "oh new Khalid, let's put it on top of our playlist". If Khalid stops releasing, he will be forgotten by industry in less than a year. So it has effect especially for artists without big fanbase and faceless dance acts.

just a quick additional thought to add here, but I believe this is the end result of labels not having the desire and/or capacity to take the time to help their artists properly brand and grow a genuinely interested fanbase. When you are playlist dependent you are just riding off a passive audience with a short attention span.

It's a bummer that Khalid is an example of this because a large reason he did become successful was because his team successfully groomed a streaming audience for him, which allowed him to thrive even without a lot of radio support. But now his latest single is completely missing from Spotify's top 200 and Apple's top 1400 It's like he's a brand new artist who has to start from scratch again.

[atg]

Aug 10, 2021 2:46:30 GMT -5 BlueSwan said:

Aug 9, 2021 18:17:02 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

Yeah fr, people gotta stop overreacting to this stuff. While I'm disappointed with how Take My Breath is performing so far (bc it's a legitimately great song), I think it's far too soon to call it a flop. My guess is that it'll stabilize down the line and probably end up having a Heartless type run, Although I do agree that Abel should have waited until 2022 to start his album roll out.

Yeah, I agree with basically all of this. By releasing TMB now with the same overall sound as AH, it feels like an extension of the AH era rather than the beginning of a new era. Like a one-off single, a soundtrack single, or a deluxe-album single type thing.

And yes, The Weeknd singles often have LEGS and only peak after a long time - see The Hills, Blinding Lights, Save Your Tears.

But I don't wanna make confident predictions here. After all, I predicted that "In Your Eyes" would be a HUGE smash and frankly still don't understand how it wasn't. Still my favourite AH song by far.

It’s because it’s an extension of AH… He literally said The Dawn is a continuation of it. We might not get the album until October-February so TMB does have room to grow which it will.

[lurker2]

Aug 10, 2021 9:53:10 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:24:49 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Just my two cents, but I believe that artists have the industry backing (read: streaming service on their side) as long as they keep putting out stuff as it is easy for Spotify and others to keep playlisting artists that are active all the time. They are like: "oh new Khalid, let's put it on top of our playlist". If Khalid stops releasing, he will be forgotten by industry in less than a year. So it has effect especially for artists without big fanbase and faceless dance acts.

just a quick additional thought to add here, but I believe this is the end result of labels not having the desire and/or capacity to take the time to help their artists properly brand and grow a genuinely interested fanbase. When you are playlist dependent you are just riding off a passive audience with a short attention span.

It's a bummer that Khalid is an example of this because a large reason he did become successful was because his team successfully groomed a streaming audience for him, which allowed him to thrive even without a lot of radio support. But now his latest single is completely missing from Spotify's top 200 and Apple's top 1400 It's like he's a brand new artist who has to start from scratch again.

Imo it's just cause most stuff he put out after 2018 was watered down and kind of bad? Like, listen to Better vs his post-Talk singles and hear the difference. He needs to stop chasing Talk and go back to his roots.

[lurker2]

Anyway, sorry to double post but Doja's on fire right now? Need To Know is over 1m on Spotify, and Get Into It (Yuh) is top 50 - giving her six top fifty songs. Kiss Me More, Need To Know, Ain't Shit, Woman, You Right, and now this.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 10:37:46 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:53:10 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

just a quick additional thought to add here, but I believe this is the end result of labels not having the desire and/or capacity to take the time to help their artists properly brand and grow a genuinely interested fanbase. When you are playlist dependent you are just riding off a passive audience with a short attention span.

It's a bummer that Khalid is an example of this because a large reason he did become successful was because his team successfully groomed a streaming audience for him, which allowed him to thrive even without a lot of radio support. But now his latest single is completely missing from Spotify's top 200 and Apple's top 1400 It's like he's a brand new artist who has to start from scratch again.

Imo it's just cause most stuff he put out after 2018 was watered down and kind of bad? Like, listen to Better vs his post-Talk singles and hear the difference. He needs to stop chasing Talk and go back to his roots.

I always wish his R&B work was the sound he got big on. That Suncity EP he did should've been bigger. The title track, Better, and especially Saturday Nights - my personal favorite Khalid track - those tracks, along with Saved from his debut and both of his collabs with Alina Baraz, he's way better in R&B than pop

[nathanalbright]

And yet he still is doing a fair amount of pop--witness his recent collab with Tate Mcrae.

[Az Paynter]

Aug 10, 2021 9:14:52 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

it's looking real Skate thread-ish in here rn

Is it too late to hard-reset Pulse and be A LOT more careful about which accounts get approved?

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Aug 10, 2021 10:37:46 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:53:10 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

just a quick additional thought to add here, but I believe this is the end result of labels not having the desire and/or capacity to take the time to help their artists properly brand and grow a genuinely interested fanbase. When you are playlist dependent you are just riding off a passive audience with a short attention span.

It's a bummer that Khalid is an example of this because a large reason he did become successful was because his team successfully groomed a streaming audience for him, which allowed him to thrive even without a lot of radio support. But now his latest single is completely missing from Spotify's top 200 and Apple's top 1400 It's like he's a brand new artist who has to start from scratch again.

Imo it's just cause most stuff he put out after 2018 was watered down and kind of bad? Like, listen to Better vs his post-Talk singles and hear the difference. He needs to stop chasing Talk and go back to his roots.

I don't disagree although tbh my biggest gripe is that he never learned how to sing live, but I've seen some fanbases carry their faves through worse output tbh. It is kind of dicey though bc the type of fans who will support you even when they're not entirely in love with your music are also the type of fans who are usually very obsessive and toxic and that's not exactly something most artists would want either.

[nathanalbright]

I don't know of any obsessive Khalid fans, though. I happen to like a fair bit of his music but in a chill, relaxed kind of way.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 08/09/21

1(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 1,979,015 (+130,109)
2(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 1,667,965 (+84,738)
3(=) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever 1,330,372 (+95,565)
4(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 1,232,625 (+43,140)
5(+1) Doja Cat - Need to Know 1,016,032 (+29,284)
6(-1) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 978,276 (-8,472)
7(=) The Weeknd - Take My Breath 951,065 (-102)
8(=) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 786,802 (+22,340)
9(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 778,703 (+22,420)
10(+1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 773,116 (+21,557)

Others:
11(-1) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 763,366 (+10,636)
12(+1) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 749,071 (+51,954)
13(-1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 725,604 (+1,073)
14(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 718,000 (+44,403)
15(-1) Måneskin - Beggin' 708,871 (+24,282)
16(=) Polo G - RAPSTAR 690,409 (+25,275)
17(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 669,602 (+39,163)
18(-1) Aventura, Bad Bunny - Volví 640,552 (-15,250)
20(+3) Jack Harlow, Pooh Shiesty - SUVs (Black on Black) 533,464 (+38,873)
21(-2) Justin Bieber - Peaches 520,081 (-14,869)
22(-1) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 514,784 (-1,549)
23(+1) Post Malone - Motley Crew 505,971 (+31,493)
24(-2) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 498,384 (-2,416)
25(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 476,065 (+7,397)
26(+2) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 472,941 (+35,886)
28(-3) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 466,485 (-2,983)
29(+4) Lil Tecca - REPEAT IT 452,624 (+32,265)
30(=) Surf Curse - Freaks 448,712 (+22,358)
31(+1) The Kid LAROI - NOT SOBER 448,667 (+28,258)
33(-4) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 430,221 (+2,445)
35(+3) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 420,889 (+30,721)
36(+5) Doja Cat - Woman 419,227 (+34,908)
38(-1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 412,023 (+15,479)
43(-1) Farruko - Pepas 386,923 (+2,675)
44(+2) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 380,176 (+16,492)
45(+2) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 378,222 (+19,907)
46(-2) Smiley - Over the Top 377,754 (+11,583)
48(+5) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 376,788 (+30,680)
49(-1) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 372,966 (+14,967)
50(+2) Billie Eilish - NDA 370,651 (+18,328)
51(-2) Måneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 367,847 (+11,373)
52(+2) BTS - Butter 367,232 (+24,747)
54(-9) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Skate 365,411 (+239)
55(=) PinkPantheress - Pain 364,266 (+22,064)
58(+3) Nessa Barrett - i hope ur miserable until ur dead 335,588 (+20,656)
59(+1) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 334,848 (+19,669)
61(+2) Kali Uchis - telepatía 327,839 (+15,390)
62(+11) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 326,349 (+30,676)
69(+5) blackbear - @ my worst 311,126 (+16,074)
77(+14) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 304,483 (+45,616)
78(+1) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 299,501 (+20,395)
79(+1) BTS - Permission to Dance 291,141 (+17,337)
80(+15) KSI, Lil Wayne - Lose 290,248 (+34,569)
81(+1) Camila Cabello - Don't Go Yet 290,113 (+19,710)
86(+1) Billie Eilish - Lost Cause 276,727 (+15,303)
87(+3) Billie Eilish - Oxytocin 275,414 (+16,053)
90(+7) Billie Eilish - Billie Bossa Nova 271,136 (+16,604)
99(+2) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 264,188 (+13,104)

102(-9) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 262,648 (+5,543)
106(+12) Billie Eilish - Getting Older 256,153 (+19,466)
109(-20) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 253,236 (-6,727)
112(+4) Yot Club - YKWIM? 249,397 (+10,720)
113(-11) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 249,161 (-1,417)
114(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 248,769 (+9,851)
115(+7) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 248,238 (+15,620)
121(+12) Sheff G - On Go 244,747 (+23,371)
128(+4) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 239,361 (+15,906)
129(+6) Billie Eilish - I Didn't Change My Number 236,974 (+15,969)
130(-13) Ariana Grande - 7 rings 236,762 (-675)
132(+7) Jason Aldean, Carrie Underwood - If I Didn't Love You 233,588 (+15,424)
133(+5) Beach House - Space Song 233,472 (+14,324)
137(+12) Billie Eilish - my future 231,997 (+18,810)
141(+6) Ingrid Andress - Wishful Drinking 228,522 (+14,797)
147(-16) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - Qué Más Pues? 224,149 (-183)
157(-21) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 217,894 (-3,019)
159(=) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 217,503 (+10,584)
161(+26) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 216,848 (+23,622)
174(-6) Dua Lipa - Love Again 210,103 (+6,065)
182(-8) Normani - Wild Side 206,791 (+5,863)
183(+7) Duncan Laurence - Arcade 206,530 (+14,706)
189(+3) YNW Melly - Best Friends 4L 204,507 (+12,909)

Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 724,834

Biggest Gains (50K+): 2055, Happier Than Ever, INDUSTRY BABY, STAY

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 11:01:10 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:14:52 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

it's looking real Skate thread-ish in here rn

Is it too late to hard-reset Pulse and be A LOT more careful about which accounts get approved?

Can we get better mods and staff then?

[nathanalbright]

There are some people who might take that kind of request personally. It took me months to get my account approved and I wouldn't want that period to be lengthened any longer because there were concerns about allowing new members.

[dovahduck]

^Just look at ATRL. I remember before I was on Pulse, I would lurk on there (for like two years) and read the chart discussion. I always wanted to create an account there but they would never open up. Even though we can be batshit crazy at times, at least we're actually willing to allow new accounts. Pulse shouldn't be a digital gated community.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Maybe we need a probation period for new members (tho rather than making it time-based, make it post-based - probation until you hit 100 posts or something).

[nathanalbright]

I think we should be generous when it comes to allowing new people in, but also vigilant about dealing with the crazies when we find them. That seems to be fair, that one could have a probationary account to prove oneself mature enough to engage in public discourse about music.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 12:16:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Maybe we need a probation period for new members (tho rather than making it time-based, make it post-based - probation until you hit 100 posts or something).

I'm all in favor of this. In the Popheads discord, you aren't allowed to post photos and any links you send won't load until you hit Level 20. You "level up" by posting regularly, being a part of the community and talking to people. There is the occasional troll or spammer but they're banned with in literal seconds

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 10, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

^Just look at ATRL. I remember before I was on Pulse, I would lurk on there (for like two years) and read the chart discussion. I always wanted to create an account there but they would never open up. Even though we can be bats**t crazy at times, at least we're actually willing to allow new accounts. Pulse shouldn't be a digital gated community.

Having been on both ATRL and Pulse, I can say that the time for account approval was pretty much the same. It took me a couple of months to get my account approved on ATRL in 2011, and about 4 months to get my account approved on Pulse in 2019.

[nathanalbright]

I don't know when dovaduck was trying to get on ARTL, but it is quite possible that it was far after the time when you got on in a couple of months.

[dovahduck]

Aug 10, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

I don't know when dovaduck was trying to get on ARTL, but it is quite possible that it was far after the time when you got on in a couple of months.

Yeah it was like around mid-2016 or early-2017 if I remember correctly. I started looking at the pulse threads around mid-2017 and joined early-2018. 

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

It looks like Good 4 U should be #1 in Radio Songs this week.

Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/08/10

1(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 91.00(-0.55)
2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 88.72(-0.01) -
3(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 88.23(+0.55)
4(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 79.09(+0.78)
5(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 77.44(+0.28)
6(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 72.55(-0.44)
7(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 60.35(-0.40)
8(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 57.39(-0.30)
9(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 51.66(-1.00)
10(=) GIVĒON - Heartbreak Anniversary 49.53(+0.40)

20(+1) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - STAY 40.99(+1.25)

22(=) Doja Cat & The Weeknd - You Right 40.28(+0.73)

54(+6) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Skate 22.32(+2.07)

59(+12) The Weeknd - Take My Breath 21.56(+3.30)

65(+8) Lil Nas X & Jack Harlow - INDUSTRY BABY 19.14(+0.98)

93(+2) Jason Aldean & Carrie Underwood - If I Didn't Love You 15.26(+0.75)

[phieaglesfan712]

With the tracking week ending on Thursday, it’s going to be an interesting race. I wouldn’t count out Kiss Me More getting 2-3 more good updates to sneak out the radio #1. With Levitating setting a new record low for kWorb #1 aud, it will be interesting to see if the #1 drops below 90M kWorb aud for the first time ever.

[rainygirl]

Aug 10, 2021 11:34:32 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

There are some people who might take that kind of request personally. It took me months to get my account approved and I wouldn't want that period to be lengthened any longer because there were concerns about allowing new members.

thank you Nathan as usual ❤️ . Are we going to ask for a background check and physical exam next ? Trolls need to be handled promptly by the moderators but it’s not wise to turn this into a snobby elitist boys club where only a selected few qualify . It’s a chart page FFS , it’s not that deep . Take a breath and enjoy yourselves everyone . Someone disagreeing with you doesn’t make them an evil person . Geez

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 10, 2021 11:32:59 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 10, 2021 11:01:10 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Is it too late to hard-reset Pulse and be A LOT more careful about which accounts get approved?

Can we get better mods and staff then?

I’ll volunteer to be a mod.

[Clode]

If I'm not mistaken I created my account back in November of 2014, It only took about 2 months for my account to get approved here on Pulse. I used to be a quiet member here on this site I just didn't really know how to engage in conversations and so I low-key rarely posted anything, It's different now however since I now feel comfortable enough to actively post here. 

[lazer]

I agree that the mods shouldn't act like this is some sort of premium club that only a few gets selected. If a new user decides to troll and cause trouble, just ban them.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 13:39:23 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 10, 2021 11:32:59 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Can we get better mods and staff then?

I’ll volunteer to be a mod.

Can we get better mods that people like?

[nathanalbright]

I'm sure the admins can be counted on to look for people who would be suitable mods and can talk about those matters among themselves. This doesn't need to be something that we argue about.

[rainygirl]

Aug 10, 2021 13:52:47 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

I'm sure the admins can be counted on to look for people who would be suitable mods and can talk about those matters among themselves. This doesn't need to be something that we argue about.

touché again ❤️ I just love ya and I’d vote for you . You are not passive aggressive and you’re not part of the “let’s see whose is bigger” feud . It’s exhausting

[kcdawg13]

Deja vu's run in the Top 10 has been pretty impressive so far, I expected it to sorta get killed by good 4 u but both tracks managed to co-exist. Olivia is #1 and #2 on pop radio right now, and with traitor on the way it's obvious she's unstoppable this year.

[Caviar]

Aug 10, 2021 12:16:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Maybe we need a probation period for new members (tho rather than making it time-based, make it post-based - probation until you hit 100 posts or something).

This. I say make a minimum requirement to post in the chart forums > 500 posts.