Billboard Hot 100: 08/21/2021

[thabb]

Also releasing instrumentals definitely should become more of a thing even ignoring the sales tricks involving it; Korean artists do it all the time, probably because of their noraebang (karaoke room) culture. It'd be nice to have more instrumentals so you can compare them to their main tracks.

[Naos]

Aug 10, 2021 5:47:12 GMT -5 thabb said:

Also releasing instrumentals definitely should become more of a thing even ignoring the sales tricks involving it; Korean artists do it all the time, probably because of their noraebang (karaoke room) culture. It'd be nice to have more instrumentals so you can compare them to their main tracks.

Japanese artists also do it pretty commonly.

[Groovy]

Other than Mood, is there any other songs going recurrent next week?

[dovahduck]

Yeah I just noticed all the audio videos on Abel's YouTube channel. The rollout of this track is very akin to that of "Franchise" (with "TMB" having more radio to make up for the lack of merch). They really are pushing this although I doubt this will debut at number one unless it somehow manages to get pull good sales out of nowhere. Let's see if we get any signed CDs soon.

[gikem]

Aug 10, 2021 7:16:48 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Other than Mood, is there any other songs going recurrent next week?

I mentioned it earlier, but One Too Many has been bleeding hard in country radio audience all week, so unless something crazy happens, I’d expect it to exit this week as well.

[iamsorare]

So I guess 1 week left for 'my ex's best friend'

[phieaglesfan712]

Hopefully, MEBF goes recurrent this week as well because it will suck if it joins Mood in backing into the 52-week milestone with 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range. It kind of waters down the achievement, like when Sicko Mode backed into 52 weeks, and it somehow moving up from 50 to 49 during the release week of Collaborations No. 6 (talk about a monumental album flop by Ed Sheeran, lol). They really need to make the 25/52 rule 25/40, so songs can't back their way into 52 weeks. Plus, there are way too many songs in the 52-week club now, and they need to make it more exclusive.

[thegreatdivine]

For once, I wish Drake would also indulge in these things. I want 5 remixes, an extended version, radio edit version, an instumental version, a spring, summer, fall and winter version for his next single. I also want a radio deal and signed CDs, vinyls and cassettes.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 7:46:07 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Hopefully, MEBF goes recurrent this week as well because it will suck if it joins Mood in backing into the 52-week milestone with 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range. It kind of waters down the achievement, like when Sicko Mode backed into 52 weeks, and it somehow moving up from 50 to 49 during the release week of Collaborations No. 6 (talk about a monumental album flop by Ed Sheeran, lol). They really need to make the 25/52 rule 25/40, so songs can't back their way into 52 weeks. Plus, there are way too many songs in the 52-week club now, and they need to make it more exclusive.

......what happened to learning about how charts work to avoid making dumb statements?

[After Minutes]

Aug 10, 2021 7:46:09 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

For once, I wish Drake would also indulge in these things. I want 5 remixes, an extended version, radio edit version, an instumental version, a spring, summer, fall and winter version for his next single. I also want a radio deal and signed CDs, vinyls and cassettes.

Drake ft. Justin Bieber & Cardi B with an OVOxXOxASAP mob remix

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 10, 2021 7:47:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 10, 2021 7:46:07 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Hopefully, MEBF goes recurrent this week as well because it will suck if it joins Mood in backing into the 52-week milestone with 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range. It kind of waters down the achievement, like when Sicko Mode backed into 52 weeks, and it somehow moving up from 50 to 49 during the release week of Collaborations No. 6 (talk about a monumental album flop by Ed Sheeran, lol). They really need to make the 25/52 rule 25/40, so songs can't back their way into 52 weeks. Plus, there are way too many songs in the 52-week club now, and they need to make it more exclusive.

......what happened to learning about how charts work to avoid making dumb statements?

But be honest to yourself, were those extra 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range meaningful? To me, they weren’t. I don’t mind songs getting to the 52-week milestone, it’s the way they get there that matters to me. Reaching the milestone with repeated extra weeks in the 40s just doesn’t sit well with me. Adding 4 more weeks in the 40s to The Hills run does not suddenly make it a bigger hit than it already is.

[algo]

Aug 10, 2021 8:06:03 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 10, 2021 7:47:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

......what happened to learning about how charts work to avoid making dumb statements?

But be honest to yourself, were those extra 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range meaningful? To me, they weren’t. I don’t mind songs getting to the 52-week milestone, it’s the way they get there that matters to me. Reaching the milestone with repeated extra weeks in the 40s just doesn’t sit well with me. Adding 4 more weeks in the 40s to The Hills run does not suddenly make it a bigger hit than it already is.

10+ weeks being in the top 50 biggest songs in the country matters. imagine telling your kid "sure you placed as one of the top 50 highest achieving students in the country again this year, but who cares because you keep placing in the 40s range" 

duh it matters. 

[GP]

Aug 10, 2021 5:45:19 GMT -5 thabb said:

I'm a bit late to the conversation, but I don't think the concept of "overexposure" means "ew this is a Weeknd song? TURN THAT SH*T OFF!". To me it means something more like ambivalence and tepid responses to the announcement of a new promo cycle or new release from an artist. Something like, "oh, new Weeknd? okay…" instead of outright interest.

this. People don't reject the artist, they just don't listen right away to the new single because they aren't interested in it yet. It's just fatigue that slowly goes away. Abel has been all over sales streaming and airplay, so it makes sense people aren't rushing to hear his new single.

[GP]

Aug 10, 2021 7:46:09 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

For once, I wish Drake would also indulge in these things. I want 5 remixes, an extended version, radio edit version, an instumental version, a spring, summer, fall and winter version for his next single. I also want a radio deal and signed CDs, vinyls and cassettes.

1k points incoming

[iamsorare]

You should have respect for the song that started the pop-rock success on the charts!

[algo]

i genuinely don't get the new idea that artists need to consistently be pushing out albums/songs/eras once a year with no breaks, especially for the biggest stars like ariana/abel/taylor/justin. if rihanna dropped an album on friday it would still perform well, and its been half a decade since her last one. it spoils the hype of new music and often can take a toll on the quality also

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 10, 2021 8:06:03 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 10, 2021 7:47:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

......what happened to learning about how charts work to avoid making dumb statements?

But be honest to yourself, were those extra 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range meaningful? To me, they weren’t. I don’t mind songs getting to the 52-week milestone, it’s the way they get there that matters to me. Reaching the milestone with repeated extra weeks in the 40s just doesn’t sit well with me. Adding 4 more weeks in the 40s to The Hills run does not suddenly make it a bigger hit than it already is.

Who f**king cares if weeks on a charts were meaningful or not. IT'S A CHART. IT'S AN EASILY DIGESTIBLE FORMAT OF A MEASUREMENT OF STATISTICS. Nowhere on the Hot 100 is "cultural impact or meaning" actively measured. 

Ssomething being on the charts for a long time doesnt mean "it's a culturally meaningful song". It just denominates it's been one of the top consumed songs over a few months. WAP's 12 works in the Top 10 doesnt immediately mean it was less meaningful or significant than songs like Nobody Knows or Another Night or All About that Bass. So stop whining about "meaning" when you're talking about statistics of consumption. 

If you want a chart of music that is actually resonating with people, go to any music forum that has user reviews. 

[iamsorare]

SMASH of the year

[Gary]

Aug 10, 2021 7:46:07 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Hopefully, MEBF goes recurrent this week as well because it will suck if it joins Mood in backing into the 52-week milestone with 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range. It kind of waters down the achievement, like when Sicko Mode backed into 52 weeks, and it somehow moving up from 50 to 49 during the release week of Collaborations No. 6 (talk about a monumental album flop by Ed Sheeran, lol). They really need to make the 25/52 rule 25/40, so songs can't back their way into 52 weeks. Plus, there are way too many songs in the 52-week club now, and they need to make it more exclusive.

Hopefully, Blinding Lights goes recurrent this week as well because it will suck if it joins All-Time Longevity club by backing into the milestone with 16+ extra weeks in the 11-20 range. It kind of waters down the achievement. They really need to make the 25/52 rule 10/52, so songs can't back their way into longevity. Plus, there are way too many songs in the 52-week club now, and they need to make it more exclusive.

[After Minutes]

Aug 10, 2021 8:22:02 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

SMASH of the year

I think it hasn't even reached it's peaked yet. it is short enough for a remix to work. 

[GP]

Aug 10, 2021 8:14:44 GMT -5 algo said:

i genuinely don't get the new idea that artists need to consistently be pushing out albums/songs/eras once a year with no breaks, especially for the biggest stars like ariana/abel/taylor/justin. if rihanna dropped an album on friday it would still perform well, and its been half a decade since her last one. it spoils the hype of new music and often can take a toll on the quality also

I don't specifically know why, but major heads of labels and Spotify have said that constantly releasing helps a lot in popularity in the streaming era. Look at Khalid, he stopped releasing for a while and now he can't get a top40. Rihanna didn't start in the streaming era tho and of course has a massive pull of being one of the most popular artists ever.

I do agree about the toll in quality tho

[iamsorare]

Take my breath decreased on the Monday update of Spotify ..this is really shocking

[Deleted]

it's looking real Skate thread-ish in here rn

[Enigma.]

Aug 10, 2021 9:12:18 GMT -5 GP said:

Aug 10, 2021 8:14:44 GMT -5 algo said:

i genuinely don't get the new idea that artists need to consistently be pushing out albums/songs/eras once a year with no breaks, especially for the biggest stars like ariana/abel/taylor/justin. if rihanna dropped an album on friday it would still perform well, and its been half a decade since her last one. it spoils the hype of new music and often can take a toll on the quality also

I don't specifically know why, but major heads of labels and Spotify have said that constantly releasing helps a lot in popularity in the streaming era. Look at Khalid, he stopped releasing for a while and now he can't get a top40. Rihanna didn't start in the streaming era tho and of course has a massive pull of being one of the most popular artists ever.

I do agree about the toll in quality tho

Just my two cents, but I believe that artists have the industry backing (read: streaming service on their side) as long as they keep putting out stuff as it is easy for Spotify and others to keep playlisting artists that are active all the time. They are like: "oh new Khalid, let's put it on top of our playlist". If Khalid stops releasing, he will be forgotten by industry in less than a year. So it has effect especially for artists without big fanbase and faceless dance acts.

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 10, 2021 8:51:06 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Aug 10, 2021 8:22:02 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

SMASH of the year

I think it hasn't even reached it's peaked yet. it is short enough for a remix to work. 

It kind of reminds me of Closer at this time 5 years ago. It wouldn’t surprise me if Stay is #1 through the end of October.

[suzcruz7]

Aug 10, 2021 9:13:48 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Take my breath decreased on the Monday update of Spotify ..this is really shocking

I thought I liked the song but damn you are obsessed with it. You must really love it.

[iamsorare]

Aug 10, 2021 9:25:45 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 10, 2021 8:51:06 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

I think it hasn't even reached it's peaked yet. it is short enough for a remix to work. 

It kind of reminds me of Closer at this time 5 years ago. It wouldn’t surprise me if Stay is #1 through the end of October.

we will see... lizzo/cardi collab could be the WAP 2.0 on the charts

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 10, 2021 8:06:03 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Aug 10, 2021 7:47:32 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

......what happened to learning about how charts work to avoid making dumb statements?

But be honest to yourself, were those extra 10+ weeks in the 35-50 range meaningful? To me, they weren’t. I don’t mind songs getting to the 52-week milestone, it’s the way they get there that matters to me. Reaching the milestone with repeated extra weeks in the 40s just doesn’t sit well with me. Adding 4 more weeks in the 40s to The Hills run does not suddenly make it a bigger hit than it already is.

I really don’t think you understand what the chart’s purpose is supposed to be.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Aug 10, 2021 8:10:18 GMT -5 GP said:

Aug 10, 2021 5:45:19 GMT -5 thabb said:

I'm a bit late to the conversation, but I don't think the concept of "overexposure" means "ew this is a Weeknd song? TURN THAT SH*T OFF!". To me it means something more like ambivalence and tepid responses to the announcement of a new promo cycle or new release from an artist. Something like, "oh, new Weeknd? okay…" instead of outright interest.

this. People don't reject the artist, they just don't listen right away to the new single because they aren't interested in it yet. It's just fatigue that slowly goes away. Abel has been all over sales streaming and airplay, so it makes sense people aren't rushing to hear his new single.

That’s how I feel about Sia. She hasn’t had a hit in years yet I’m still tired of the abundance of singles and random tracks she’s released since 2016. So maybe it’s less to do with over saturation in a “hearing it too many times” way and more about pushing too many songs in general.

[After Minutes]

Aug 10, 2021 9:30:22 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Aug 10, 2021 9:25:45 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

It kind of reminds me of Closer at this time 5 years ago. It wouldn’t surprise me if Stay is #1 through the end of October.

we will see... lizzo/cardi collab could be the WAP 2.0 on the charts

I doubt that Lizzo would get a green light to put out something like that. Harry releasing TAB seems way more likely