Billboard Hot 100: 08/28/2021

[After Minutes]

The sad thing is that if this was genuinely only a "the CCP is bad" song then this situation would be applaudable, if somewhat goofy, because that is just an objectively good message.

But this is more of a promo skit by some far-right Trump affiliate who's also a rapist and kidnapper, and the support for the song (if there's any) is more related to the fact that he's a nutcase and not to the actual message which, based on his other work, isn't even probably focused on the matter at hand. There definitely are Chinese artists who could speak very openly about this issue, but is this really going to be the only one actually chart? That's just pathetic.

[85la]

Ok seriously, everyone needs to CALM THE F*** DOWN!! I literally do not see what all the outrage is, that the #2 digital best-seller is only #88 on the chart and that this is indicative of a need to lower the weight of sales?!!! A position that even many diehard Billboard fans will not likely see, remember, or care about even a couple weeks from now. This is not a multi-week #1 Butter-type situation. Even if we disagree with the artists' behavior or way of life, this is not the crowning coronation y'all are making this out to be. At the height of the digital sales era, it was possible and very common for the top selling songs, not even #1, to rank in the top 10 of the Hot 100 with very little to no airplay or streaming, so this is virtually mind-boggling that you all care so much.

[Gary]

- Hot 100 span - excluding Christmas songs for this post (as well as annual hits like Thriller)


Elton John
8-15-1970 to 8-28-2021
(just over 51 years)


Tony Bennett
8-04-1958 to 10-01-2011
53 years and 2 months



Others that I could find with 45+ years there are probably others

Paul Mccartney
1-18-64 to 6-27-2015
51 years 5 months

Chipmunks
12-1-58 to 1-26-2008
about 49 years 2 months

Michael Jackson
11-15-69 to 8-11-18
48 years 9 months

[tanooki]

Aug 23, 2021 18:49:28 GMT -5 Gary said:

Believe it or not - not everyone relies exclusively on streaming for music

girl i guarantee you that a very, VERY small amount of people legitimately bought this song lmao. Not everyone relies on streaming for music but its a VERY small minority of people who actively buy music - that number is only in the tens of thousands, versus the tens of MILLIONS of people streaming and listening to radio. smh

[85la]

Aug 23, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Aug 23, 2021 16:22:08 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Is this the lowest amount of streams for a charting song in the streaming era?

Probably, unless a song somehow charted with only sales and radio.

Not quite the streaming era yet, but many streaming services did count in 2012 when Taylor Swift's We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together notably hit No. 1 for 3 weeks on sales and airplay alone, as the song wasn't available to stream.

[iHype.]

Aug 23, 2021 19:07:24 GMT -5 85la said:

Ok seriously, everyone needs to CALM THE F*** DOWN!! I literally do not see what all the outrage is

The sales are completely fake…

It has 2,000 views on YouTube and is from someone who lives in China.

[kindofbiased]

8,000 is a very big number in a lot of contexts so I think people aren't realizing how TINY that is in terms of streams, specifically for streams of a charting song on a list of the 100 most popular songs in the united states

[tanooki]

Aug 23, 2021 19:07:24 GMT -5 85la said:

Ok seriously, everyone needs to CALM THE F*** DOWN!! I literally do not see what all the outrage is, that the #2 digital best-seller is only #88 on the chart and that this is indicative of a need to lower the weight of sales?!!! A position that even many diehard Billboard fans will not likely see, remember, or care about even a couple weeks from now. This is not a multi-week #1 Butter-type situation. Even if we disagree with the artists' behavior or way of life, this is not the crowning coronation y'all are making this out to be. At the height of the digital sales era, it was possible and very common for the top selling songs, not even #1, to rank in the top 10 of the Hot 100 with very little to no airplay or streaming, so this is virtually mind-boggling that you all care so much.

those sales are so obviously fake lmao. we arent in the digital sales er anymore, thats not how any of this works

[Gary]

A few songs sold well this week - so some didn't get the memo that digital sales era is over LOL

Published numbers from the top 10 article

Stay 14,400
Rumors - sold 25,200
Bad Habits sold 15.700
Butter 58,000

[iHype.]

I mean… the point is just going far beyond your head at this point if you’ve witnessed all the tampering and tactics with digital sales the past 2 years and your first instinct when someone calls out digital sales yet again is to act like they’re being ridiculous rather than seeing they clearly once again are pointing out more flaws that ruin the accuracy of the chart. Lol.

[tanooki]

Aug 23, 2021 19:32:46 GMT -5 Gary said:

A few songs sold well this week - so some didn't get the memo that digital sales era is over LOL

Published numbers from the top 10 article

Stay 14,400
Rumors - sold 25,200
Bad Habits sold 15.700
Butter 58,000

those numbers are ABYSMAL lmao, streaming dominates music consumption and I have no idea why you'd argue otherwise.


58,000 sales vs 32,700,000 streams

Butter's sales are 0.1774% of Stay's streams lmao

[lazer]

Even the sales numbers in 2017 were way higher than those pathetic numbers right now lol.

[rihannabiggestfan]

The chart manipulation from that rapist man from China 💀 (and I'm not talking about Kris Wu!)

Queen of China Jane Zhang deserved to chart on the Hot 100 instead of them

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I mean regardless of the fact this charted despite that the only video of this song has less than 3000 views yet I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE and Pain by PinkPantheress have yet to chart despite having thousands of streams everyday, I think the more tragic thing is that this fake anti-CCP song might get even more traction or attention than if it hadn't charted, meanwhile actual progressive protest and political songs won't.

Not to mention there's a whole bunch of Chinese artist who are more worthy of this

[gikem]

Let’s not forget that Why Don’t We song that broke the top 40 last year entirely because of physical sales (although I’m sure the streams were higher than those of Dance 7).

[hughster1]

Aug 23, 2021 19:08:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Others that I could find with 45+ years there are probably others

Barbra Streisand
4-4-64 to 5-14-2011
47 years 1 month

I think Barbra Streisand's last Hot 100 hit was "I Finally Found Someone" from 1996-1997. Is the entry you found from 2011 the song by Duck Sauce titled "Barbra Streisand"?

[lyhom]

my hot take is that if you're being outstreamed by multiple songs from this extremely obscure mid-90s emo band I've been getting into lately, you're probably nowhere close to being popular enough to chart on even the hot genre charts no matter what your sales numbers are

[Gary]

Aug 23, 2021 20:04:50 GMT -5 hughster1 said:

Aug 23, 2021 19:08:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Others that I could find with 45+ years there are probably others

Barbra Streisand
4-4-64 to 5-14-2011
47 years 1 month

I think Barbra Streisand's last Hot 100 hit was "I Finally Found Someone" from 1996-1997. Is the entry you found from 2011 the song by Duck Sauce titled "Barbra Streisand"?

LOL - sorry I will edit

[rihannabiggestfan]

Aug 23, 2021 19:56:12 GMT -5 gikem said:

Let’s not forget that Why Don’t We song that broke the top 40 last year entirely because of physical sales (although I’m sure the streams were higher than those of Dance 7).

The fact that that band got a whopping 8 Bubbling Under entries before ""earning"" their first Hot 100 single is unreal, that has to be a record

[hughster1]

Aug 23, 2021 20:06:43 GMT -5 Gary said:

Aug 23, 2021 20:04:50 GMT -5 hughster1 said:

I think Barbra Streisand's last Hot 100 hit was "I Finally Found Someone" from 1996-1997. Is the entry you found from 2011 the song by Duck Sauce titled "Barbra Streisand"?

LOL - sorry I will edit

No problem - she still has a charting span of about 32 years, which is still impressive.

And Cher's at about 37 years (from "All I Really Want to Do" in 1965 to "Song for the Lonely" in 2002.

[singingrulebritannia]

Aug 23, 2021 19:32:46 GMT -5 Gary said:

Stay 14,400
Bad Habits sold 15.700

these numbers wouldn't even fill up the 27 highest-capacity American college basketball arenas

[Naos]

As someone who is generally more... we'll say, sympathetic, to communist countries, the support of Miles Guo more comes off as taking shots at China than any actual criticism. And definitely not for musical quality. I wouldn't be surprised if he had the resources to buy himself onto the charts, but if he didn't , I find it interesting how there's a lot of negatively towards billionaires, but people seem to love Guo. And unfortunately, like The Epoch Times, a lot of the more prominent criticizers of China have ties to the far-right.

And it looks like we got two with Guo and Tom MacDonald. Mark's gonna have an interesting episode here, at least.

[chanman]

Aug 23, 2021 19:32:46 GMT -5 Gary said:

A few songs sold well this week - so some didn't get the memo that digital sales era is over LOL

Published numbers from the top 10 article

Stay 14,400
Rumors - sold 25,200
Bad Habits sold 15.700
Butter 58,000

I did some back checking of points...without sales being used as a metric..Bad Habits would be stuck at #3 and Rumors would enter at #7. 
These songs did even better with it for this week. Therefore, I don't see Sales going away soon, there is still a market segment for it and some artistes/labels know how to capitalize on the sales strategy for further exposure.  

[fridayteenage]

where are the sales even from, his personal website a la bts?

i didn't see much itunes impact.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 23, 2021 20:04:51 GMT -5 lyhom said:

my hot take is that if you're being outstreamed by multiple songs from this extremely obscure mid-90s emo band I've been getting into lately, you're probably nowhere close to being popular enough to chart on even the hot genre charts no matter what your sales numbers are

Ooh, I like this game. Here are some obscure artists I like that have more streams and some have more followers!

[Naos]

Aug 23, 2021 21:15:26 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

where are the sales even from, his personal website a la bts?

i didn't see much itunes impact.

It actually did decently well on iTunes but dropped like a rock. It was extremely frontloaded.

Interestingly, outside of regions of China like Hong Kong and Macau as well as a few countries like Laos, the song had a similar pattern. His songs were also high in the US, Taiwan, and Japan for example, but they all dropped pretty fast.

[tanooki]

"Extremely frontloaded"

hmmmmm

[Deleted]

Aug 23, 2021 21:18:29 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Aug 23, 2021 20:04:51 GMT -5 lyhom said:

my hot take is that if you're being outstreamed by multiple songs from this extremely obscure mid-90s emo band I've been getting into lately, you're probably nowhere close to being popular enough to chart on even the hot genre charts no matter what your sales numbers are

Ooh, I like this game. Here are some obscure artists I like that have more streams and some have more followers!

it really isn't that hard to chart launder lmao

[fridayteenage]

itunescharts.net indicates it was 9-16-21-37-17-11-11. that's definitely not enough to be #2 in sales above, say, songs that were #1 on itunes.

[firefox]

So apparently, we'll be expecting Elon Musk and more billionaires to chart soon if Billboard didn't fix their chart.