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Post by gikem on Aug 23, 2021 22:10:03 GMT -5
So apparently you can buy out a Hot 100 entry for roughly the same price as a standard car, a motorcycle, or a semester of college.
I have no words other than I no longer envy the artists and producers who put in the work to make actual hit songs that stick around for months on end, because if this is what it's gonna take to get a Hot 100 entry as the 2020s goes on, I might as well not care about this chart anymore.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 23, 2021 22:18:28 GMT -5
^^Even less when songs are sale priced to $0.69.
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Post by kindofbiased on Aug 23, 2021 22:34:27 GMT -5
Personally don't see how it costing only $21k in sales to get a song on the hot 100 rn could backfire in any way, this seems like a very normal and accurate system yes
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 23, 2021 22:59:29 GMT -5
What's it worth getting a low position on the Hot 100? Does it give someone bragging rights to say that they had a #100 hit single? Who, aside from chart nerds, is going to even care about songs that have astroturfed one-week positions on the chart. iCarly star Miranda Cosgrove had 2 #100 hit singles on the Hot 100 with the theme to iCarly, "Leave It All To Me," (featuring Drake Bell, interestingly enough) as well as "Dancing Crazy," but who remembers that 14 and 11 years later, aside from those of us in the chart nerd community? More to the point, who is going to know or care about the many hundreds of songs that have one-week chart runs aside from their fans? If someone wants to put their hard-earned money into recording a track and then paying another $20k on top of that to give it a one-week peak on the lower reaches of the Hot 100, what is the harm in simply letting them do so?
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Post by rimetm on Aug 23, 2021 23:03:14 GMT -5
If someone wants to put their hard-earned money into recording a track and then paying another $20k on top of that to give it a one-week peak on the lower reaches of the Hot 100, what is the harm in simply letting them do so? Because that then emboldens those people with more money than sense (e.g. Miles Guo) to funnel $400k on their next try and just get themselves a #1 with no general public interest at all. It's a bad precedent to set and if it's not nipped in the bud ASAP, we're really going to regret it some time in the next few months. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 23, 2021 23:30:42 GMT -5
So what? Who cares if someone wants to make a song and pay for its placement on the Hot 100? If the general public has no interest in a song, they will not know about such a song's ephemeral chart position or care about it. The only people who will care about such a "hit" will be the people who make the song and the people who are friendly to its message, or the people like ourselves who know and care about the chart as a whole. Again, why should we care about someone buying a chart position so low that hardly anyone outside of our own community will know about it? Does having a #88 hit legitimize someone's arguments or make someone a credible voice within society? Not if hardly anyone knows or cares about their achievement. Save your outrage for what does have general public interest, which is far more serious of a concern.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 23, 2021 23:31:04 GMT -5
I'm telling y'all this is gonna set some record breaking debut for Morgan Wallens comeback single lmao. If Tom Macdonald can get in with pretty minimal non YouTube streaming, just wait til someone with streams AND sales debutsπ. When all the predictors have "Insert Title by Morgan Here" is tracking for a 900 plus week 1, I don't wanna hear a word from NONE of y'all saying sales shouldn't be brought down lol
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:33:47 GMT -5
What's it worth getting a low position on the Hot 100? Does it give someone bragging rights to say that they had a #100 hit single? Who, aside from chart nerds, is going to even care about songs that have astroturfed one-week positions on the chart. iCarly star Miranda Cosgrove had 2 #100 hit singles on the Hot 100 with the theme to iCarly, "Leave It All To Me," (featuring Drake Bell, interestingly enough) as well as "Dancing Crazy," but who remembers that 14 and 11 years later, aside from those of us in the chart nerd community? I would know that regardless as a fan of Miranda Cosgrove and (formally) of Drake Bell. Especially since it was Drake's only chart entry, with his only Bubbling Under entry being oddly "Makes Me Happy", not "Found a Way" which is undoubtedly his biggest song. I always liked tracking charting of artists I liked before I followed up the Billboard charts fully. Granted, a lot of the artists I liked at the time didn't chart well, but seeing them achieve some sort of success was cool. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 23, 2021 23:36:35 GMT -5
Yes, that is true, but you care about the artist. If you ask some random casual who is not a fan of Miranda Cosgrove or iCarly to name her hit singles, how many of them would they be able to guess, and she had four Hot 100 hits, two of whom nearly hit the top 40, and the other two of which peaked at #100? Likewise, if you ask an ordinary casual on the street how many Hot 100 hits that Tom McDonald has, how many of them would they be able to guess? I can't remember them without looking them up, and I look at the Hot 100 every week.
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:40:58 GMT -5
New arrivals this week:
#98"Steal My Love" by Dan + Shay
#97 - "I Like Dat" by T-Pain & Kehlani
#91 - "Thinking 'Bout You" by Dustin Lynch featuring Lauren Alaina or MacKenzie Porter
#90 - "Brainwashed" by Tom Macdonald
#88 - "Dance 7" by Miles Guo
#81 - "Cold Heart" by Elton John & Dua Lipa
#79 - "Papercuts" by Machine Gun Kelly
#78 - "Mind of Melvin" by YNW Melly featuring Lil Uzi Vert
#65 - "Paralyzed" by Sueco
#4 - "Rumors" by Lizzo & Cardi B
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 23, 2021 23:41:13 GMT -5
I'm telling y'all this is gonna set some record breaking debut for Morgan Wallens comeback single lmao. If Tom Macdonald can get in with pretty minimal non YouTube streaming, just wait til someone with streams AND sales debutsπ. When all the predictors have "Insert Title by Morgan Here" is tracking for a 900 plus week 1, I don't wanna hear a word from NONE of y'all saying sales shouldn't be brought down lol Why are you acting like a Morgan Wallen comeback is a good thing lol |
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Post by gikem on Aug 23, 2021 23:42:48 GMT -5
New arrivals this week: #98 - "I Like Dat" by T-Pain & Kehlani #91 - "Thinking 'Bout You" by Dustin Lynch featuring Lauren Alaina or MacKenzie Porter #90 - "Brainwashed" by Tom Macdonald #88 - "Dance 7" by Miles Guo #81 - "Cold Heart" by Elton John & Dua Lipa #79 - "Papercuts" by Machine Gun Kelly #78 - "Mind of Melvin" by YNW Melly featuring Lil Uzi Vert #65 - "Paralyzed" by Sueco #4 - "Rumors" by Lizzo & Cardi B Did you miss Steal My Love (debuted at #99 according to @/billboardcharts) or has it been demoted to the Bubbling Under? |
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:46:28 GMT -5
Did you miss Steal My Love (debuted at #99 according to @/billboardcharts) or has it been demoted to the Bubbling Under? According to Billboard's site, it actually debuted at #98 and "I Like Dat" is actually at #97. My mistake. |
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Post by atg on Aug 23, 2021 23:48:44 GMT -5
New arrivals this week: #98 - "I Like Dat" by T-Pain & Kehlani #91 - "Thinking 'Bout You" by Dustin Lynch featuring Lauren Alaina or MacKenzie Porter #90 - "Brainwashed" by Tom Macdonald #88 - "Dance 7" by Miles Guo #81 - "Cold Heart" by Elton John & Dua Lipa #79 - "Papercuts" by Machine Gun Kelly #78 - "Mind of Melvin" by YNW Melly featuring Lil Uzi Vert #65 - "Paralyzed" by Sueco #4 - "Rumors" by Lizzo & Cardi B When you think about it, we got legends like T Pain and Elton John, Comebacks from Lizzo and YNW Melly (kinda), Frauds⦠that needs no introduction, current big artists like Dua Lipa and Cardi B, and underrated but still successful artists like Kehlani and MGK, all debuting under the same week. People were saying this was a boring week when this might be one of the more interesting ones this year. |
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:53:40 GMT -5
Notable gains:
#16 - Essence (+28)
#33 - Pepas (+19)
#47 - We Didn't Have Much (+11)
#68 - Woman (+16)
Re-entries:
#75 - Get Into It (Yuh)
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 23, 2021 23:54:20 GMT -5
Anytime people are losing their minds over low-charting debuts it is certainly not a boring week.
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:55:37 GMT -5
Miles Guo is the second Chinese artist to chart on the Hot 100, following Kris Wu.
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Post by Naos on Aug 23, 2021 23:59:26 GMT -5
The only big dropout appears to be "My Ex's Best Friend" by Machine Gun Kelly & blackbear, which despite peaking at #20, lasted on the Hot 100 for 52 weeks.
"Tombstone" avoids recurrency, charting for a 21st week.
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 23, 2021 23:59:54 GMT -5
I figured that might happen, because it is still being actively pushed as a single.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 24, 2021 0:01:36 GMT -5
I'm telling y'all this is gonna set some record breaking debut for Morgan Wallens comeback single lmao. If Tom Macdonald can get in with pretty minimal non YouTube streaming, just wait til someone with streams AND sales debutsπ. When all the predictors have "Insert Title by Morgan Here" is tracking for a 900 plus week 1, I don't wanna hear a word from NONE of y'all saying sales shouldn't be brought down lol Why are you acting like a Morgan Wallen comeback is a good thing lol oh I absolutely am not at all excited for this π. I'm just saying that I know it's gonna be a MESS if sales aren't down weighted by the time it inevitably happens |
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Post by tanooki on Aug 24, 2021 0:18:00 GMT -5
So what? Who cares if someone wants to make a song and pay for its placement on the Hot 100? If the general public has no interest in a song, they will not know about such a song's ephemeral chart position or care about it. The only people who will care about such a "hit" will be the people who make the song and the people who are friendly to its message, or the people like ourselves who know and care about the chart as a whole. Again, why should we care about someone buying a chart position so low that hardly anyone outside of our own community will know about it? Does having a #88 hit legitimize someone's arguments or make someone a credible voice within society? Not if hardly anyone knows or cares about their achievement. Save your outrage for what does have general public interest, which is far more serious of a concern. "why are chartwatchers mad when the charts are wrong" |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 24, 2021 0:22:39 GMT -5
The charts aren't "wrong." Billboard assigns a certain value for sales, streams, and radio airplay, and the top 100 songs not in recurrency any given week are ranked in order. We know that they are willing to hold up the charts in order to audit fraudulent sales, as happened with Levitating earlier this year.
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Post by lyhom on Aug 24, 2021 0:30:14 GMT -5
The charts aren't "wrong." Billboard assigns a certain value for sales, streams, and radio airplay, and the top 100 songs not in recurrency any given week are ranked in order. We know that they are willing to hold up the charts in order to audit fraudulent sales, as happened with Levitating earlier this year. that makes this case even worse, frankly |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 24, 2021 0:31:45 GMT -5
I do not find it hard to believe at all that there are a bit more than 10k people in the United States willing to spend between $.69 and $.99 to buy a couple of songs because it panders to right-wing thinking. I suspect that is what Billboard found as well in looking at the numbers.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 24, 2021 0:32:31 GMT -5
So what? Who cares if someone wants to make a song and pay for its placement on the Hot 100? If the general public has no interest in a song, they will not know about such a song's ephemeral chart position or care about it. The only people who will care about such a "hit" will be the people who make the song and the people who are friendly to its message, or the people like ourselves who know and care about the chart as a whole. Again, why should we care about someone buying a chart position so low that hardly anyone outside of our own community will know about it? Does having a #88 hit legitimize someone's arguments or make someone a credible voice within society? Not if hardly anyone knows or cares about their achievement. Save your outrage for what does have general public interest, which is far more serious of a concern. I don't understand how you don't have a problem with this but you have a problem with Butter. It's exactly the same situation, paying for a spot. It might not be a elongated or as famous but it's still astroturfing chart success, even worse since in this case it's not even from a real musician, it's a from a right-wing grifter hiding behind """anti-CCP""" sentiments I do not find it hard to believe at all that there are a bit more than 10k people in the United States willing to spend between $.69 and $.99 to buy a couple of songs because it panders to right-wing thinking. I suspect that is what Billboard found as well in looking at the numbers. The thing is though, I don't even think this is due to right-wing massbuying. Aaron Lewis and Tom Macdonald have a built in audience of chuds. This is absolutely astroturfed. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 24, 2021 0:34:19 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with it because I care a lot more about a #1 hit that is astroturfed into a YE spot than I do about a song that hits #88 or #90 that hardly anyone knows about nor will remember about after it inevitably drops off the charts next week.
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Post by tanooki on Aug 24, 2021 0:34:22 GMT -5
We know that they are willing to hold up the charts in order to audit fraudulent sales they absolutely do not lmao how does a song get ~23k sales when only peaking at #9 on iTunes and has less than 10,000 global streams on Spotify and what, 2 or 3 thousand views on YouTube? Every viral hit, especially ones that are big on iTunes, can be traced back to SOMETHING. It's not hard to figure out why Tom MacDonald or BTS have such massive sales numbers. When random people chart on iTunes, it's always linked to something. This is the work of some random Chinese rapist billionaire and you're defending it?? And yeah, the Hot 100's formula is subjective for the most part but it can still be very obviously wrong. Chartwatchers have figured out how Billboard works, we can tell when even their system is off. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 24, 2021 0:39:19 GMT -5
Do we know what its amazon sales were? iTunes isn't the only place such a song is going to be sold, after all. And seeing as I could very easily find right-wing sources praising the song as a stand for liberty against the Chinese government, it's not hard to figure out the "something" that accounts for its selective viral appeal.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 24, 2021 0:39:47 GMT -5
Believe it or not - not everyone relies exclusively on streaming for music almost everyone does. even your age group!   and trends suggest the "not everyone" group will continue to get smaller:  (data taken from two IFPI reports) |
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Post by nathanalbright on Aug 24, 2021 0:40:24 GMT -5
54% of people from 35-64 is hardly "almost everyone."
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