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Post by gikem on Sept 22, 2021 6:10:18 GMT -5
I wonder how long βDrunkβ will last. Even though weβre already at week 21, it has a lot of room to grow on radio at multiple formats. Miranda Lambert is releasing a new lead single on October 15th, so I think Drunk will finish its run around that time. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 22, 2021 6:21:12 GMT -5
Another week in 2021 where the GP disagrees with (or just doesn't care about) the #1 song on Billboard:
Maybe it's time for Billboard to change the Hot 100 formula.
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Post by jamatthews83 on Sept 22, 2021 6:30:39 GMT -5
250 twitter stans constitute the general public?
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Post by After Minutes on Sept 22, 2021 7:05:06 GMT -5
Another week in 2021 where the GP disagrees with (or just doesn't care about) the #1 song on Billboard: Maybe it's time for Billboard to change the Hot 100 formula. Ah yes, the USA, a country with 500 citizens |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 22, 2021 7:13:22 GMT -5
250 twitter stans constitute the general public? It's actually 515 people, and that's a pretty good sample size. You could do that poll most weeks after drivers license run at #1 ended, and probably get a result where the #1 song the people thought was different from the actual Hot 100 #1. Butter exploited a lot of problems, but at this point, I think the biggest problem is that the Hot 100 formula is broken and outated. Sales are weighed too heavy and streaming is not weighed enough. At the very minimum, Billboard needs to lower the weight given to sales and increase the weight given to streaming, and we'd see a #1 more in line with the GP on most weeks. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2021 7:21:18 GMT -5
What is the general public in music context and does it exist anymore? Serious question.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Sept 22, 2021 7:57:59 GMT -5
Even tho I'm not a fan of "Stay" (mostly because of LAROI's voice), it's a legit #1.
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Stay 3 4 1
Way 2 Sexy 1 11 43
Stay was streamed 27 million times last week, that's a pretty good number. I mean, Mood was #1 this year with 'only' 17 million.
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Post by mms82 on Sept 22, 2021 8:04:14 GMT -5
What is the general public in music context and does it exist anymore? Serious question. Yeah, I think the terminally online is a vastly different group than average Americans. Anecdotally, but people like my parents make up the 100m~ish people that listen to songs on the radio primarily still (daily radio numbers still are 5-10x daily Spotify streaming numbers) and they would have no clue about Way 2 Sexy but recognize Stay (I mean even from TikTok, they're in their early 50s and use TikTok regularly but in their crafts and sports videos that they get it'll only be audios of more generic pop songs like a radio station, less Way 2 Sexy / Berries & Cream and more Stay and even songs like Say So still) |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 22, 2021 8:17:46 GMT -5
250 twitter stans constitute the general public? It's actually 515 people, and that's a pretty good sample size. You could do that poll most weeks after drivers license run at #1 ended, and probably get a result where the #1 song the people thought was different from the actual Hot 100 #1. Butter exploited a lot of problems, but at this point, I think the biggest problem is that the Hot 100 formula is broken and outated. Sales are weighed too heavy and streaming is not weighed enough. At the very minimum, Billboard needs to lower the weight given to sales and increase the weight given to streaming, and we'd see a #1 more in line with the GP on most weeks. As someone who's had to polls for research papers: if you're gonna do a poll, maybe don't make it on f**king Twitter where stans can easily manipulate the results. Like I get your point but you've invalidated it by using a Twitter poll as proof. Just sayin' Also a chart recalibration wouldn't change much. The number one song being detached from what the general public is actually recognizing or knows has been an issue since the goddamn 70s. If you want proof: just go back and see how little prog rock songs or grunge songs were actual hits, or how many acclaimed rappers got hits after their breakthrough project/s. The charts aren't always going to tell the whole story when it comes to music and its movements - and that's fine. |
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Post by Groovy on Sept 22, 2021 9:27:27 GMT -5
Oh, I can't wait until Friday when this discussion takes a big 180.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 22, 2021 10:25:56 GMT -5
Another week in 2021 where the GP disagrees with (or just doesn't care about) the #1 song on Billboard: Maybe it's time for Billboard to change the Hot 100 formula. 27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. |
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 22, 2021 10:35:26 GMT -5
Wasn't BlindingLight4eva simping for STAY just the other day? Why the sudden change of heart? Surely a poll of 515 people clearly taken by people who have no concept of how a chart works manipulated him that much.
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Post by Choco on Sept 22, 2021 11:54:16 GMT -5
I don't know if it's his fault for finding new ways to be annoying dailyweekly or it's our fault for paying attention to it.
Twitter polls don't mean shit. Just add Butter as an option to any chart-related question and see for yourself.
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Post by nathanalbright on Sept 22, 2021 12:31:04 GMT -5
Maybe a bit of both.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 22, 2021 12:44:01 GMT -5
Another week in 2021 where the GP disagrees with (or just doesn't care about) the #1 song on Billboard: Maybe it's time for Billboard to change the Hot 100 formula. 27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. For the record, I felt W2S was the biggest song of this charting week. The over 40M streams is proof enough. Stay only got the #1 for this week because it was iTunes discounted for a 7th straight week. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 22, 2021 12:53:25 GMT -5
27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. For the record, I felt W2S was the biggest song of this charting week. The over 40M streams is proof enough. Stay only got the #1 for this week because it was iTunes discounted for a 7th straight week. A conversation no one uses as an icebreaker: "Hey, what do you think about x song being the #1 on the hot 100?" As Sean from Diamond Axe Studio said: The chart works best when no one cares about it. At the end of the day: the chart measures statistics, not what people feel is the biggest song. |
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Post by Groovy on Sept 22, 2021 12:53:40 GMT -5
27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. For the record, I felt W2S was the biggest song of this charting week. The over 40M streams is proof enough. Stay only got the #1 for this week because it was iTunes discounted for a 7th straight week. Yeah, let's ignore its good steaming and radio. |
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Post by kimberly on Sept 22, 2021 12:57:58 GMT -5
27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. why? is this a national security issue? are we going to war over Ed Sheeran? do you know what portion of the American public doesn't give two shits about the Hot 100? well above 27.4% I'll tell you that. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 22, 2021 13:31:10 GMT -5
27.4 % chose that old Ed Sheeran song. The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. For the record, I felt W2S was the biggest song of this charting week. The over 40M streams is proof enough. Stay only got the #1 for this week because it was iTunes discounted for a 7th straight week. Well Way 2 Sexy was the #1 streamed song Stay was btw #3 Stay is also the biggest song on radio You put way to much emphasis on the impact of an itunes discount, in my opinion Just curious also - how do you define "General Public"? |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 22, 2021 13:36:15 GMT -5
The fact that over a quarter of the people donβt really care is a bigger problem than the #1 not aligning what the GP thinks most weeks. For the record, I felt W2S was the biggest song of this charting week. The over 40M streams is proof enough. Stay only got the #1 for this week because it was iTunes discounted for a 7th straight week. Well Way 2 Sexy was the #1 streamed song Stay was btw #3 Stay is also the biggest song on radio You put way to much emphasis on the impact of an itunes discount, in my opinion Just curious also - how do you define "General Public"? I donβt get the point of keeping Stay and Bad Habits on iTunes discount at this point. These songs had a great run, but itβs time to let them fall off naturally. The thought of BH being the #3 song this week is just laughable. Fancy Like and Knife Talk weβre clearly bigger than BH this week, and I could argue IB was bigger than BH. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 22, 2021 13:38:43 GMT -5
Well Way 2 Sexy was the #1 streamed song Stay was btw #3 Stay is also the biggest song on radio You put way to much emphasis on the impact of an itunes discount, in my opinion Just curious also - how do you define "General Public"? I donβt get the point of keeping Stay and Bad Habits on iTunes discount at this point. These songs had a great run, but itβs time to let them fall off naturally. The thought of BH being the #3 song this week is just laughable. Fancy Like and Knife Talk weβre clearly bigger than BH this week, and I could argue IB was bigger than BH. This week on Spotify, STAY beat Fancy Like by 7,063,729 streams. Bad Habits led FL by 778,935. I do the Spotify updates every goddamn day. How can you miss this? ? ? |
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Post by lazer on Sept 22, 2021 13:41:07 GMT -5
Imagine wanting Fancy Like to be at #1.
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Post by kingvavis on Sept 22, 2021 13:58:05 GMT -5
Am I intoxicated or is someone trying to use a obscure Twitter poll as an argument for a song being at #1?
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 22, 2021 14:11:44 GMT -5
I probably know a couple of people who have never heard Way 2 Sexy. HOW IS IT ON THE HOT 100 AT ALL THEN?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?
Remember how Billboard's charts were compiled by a random sampling of radio stations and retail stores for decades and then we got new technology and discovered how inaccurate that was? I love that people are now arguing that the Billboard chart is inaccurate because it doesn't align with a random sampling from a Twitter poll.
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Post by jaffery on Sept 22, 2021 14:27:31 GMT -5
I know this is about the hot 100 but stay is really the biggest song in the world this year. Just on that merit alone it deserves 10 weeks at #1. It has AMAZING callouts aswell so the radio is warranted. Itβs by far the biggest song this week because guess what, drakes tracks are new so of course streams will be a lot bigger. Letβs see how many streams these drake tracks are getting 75 days into their run. Stay is winning in sales and well deserves radio audience and has huge amount of streams for a song that came out 3 months ago nearly
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Post by mylo on Sept 22, 2021 16:33:39 GMT -5
I know this is about the hot 100 but stay is really the biggest song in the world this year. No. This is just wrong. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 22, 2021 17:09:26 GMT -5
Well Way 2 Sexy was the #1 streamed song Stay was btw #3 Stay is also the biggest song on radio You put way to much emphasis on the impact of an itunes discount, in my opinion Just curious also - how do you define "General Public"? I donβt get the point of keeping Stay and Bad Habits on iTunes discount at this point. These songs had a great run, but itβs time to let them fall off naturally. The thought of BH being the #3 song this week is just laughable. Fancy Like and Knife Talk weβre clearly bigger than BH this week, and I could argue IB was bigger than BH. I don't get the point of focusing on itunes discounts, they don't seem to help that much (with the exception of all things BTS) Why eere Fancy Like and Knife Talk bigger hits this week? (I don't understand) Bad Habits #3 overall, #2 on radio just behind Stay, #5 sales (even with an itunes discount - so not sure why you think the discount is a problem Radio is the driver of the overall chart position - without radio BTW - your Blinding Lights song would have fallen off a lot sooner Knife Talk is too new for radio and low digital sales it is being Drake a big Streaming hit though Fancy Like does not have the all-format radio play that Bad Habits does I posted all the relevant charts in this thread this week - did you read them? |
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 23, 2021 2:55:48 GMT -5
I know this is about the hot 100 but stay is really the biggest song in the world this year. Just on that merit alone it deserves 10 weeks at #1. It has AMAZING callouts aswell so the radio is warranted. Itβs by far the biggest song this week because guess what, drakes tracks are new so of course streams will be a lot bigger. Letβs see how many streams these drake tracks are getting 75 days into their run. Stay is winning in sales and well deserves radio audience and has huge amount of streams for a song that came out 3 months ago nearly Gotta appreciate this shameless Bieber stanning! |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 23, 2021 7:38:32 GMT -5
For what it's worth, if there was no 25/52 rule, Blinding Lights would have charted at #29 (in between Have Mercy and TSU).
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Post by Choco on Sept 23, 2021 8:16:23 GMT -5
For anyone missing the Blinding Lights and "f**k recurrency rules" squares on their Hot 100 thread bingo...
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