Billboard Hot 100: 10/09/2021

[Skibidi Bop Bop]

Thats what I'm thinking too. Armies new target is UK number 1.😉

[kimberly]

Sept 26, 2021 17:40:42 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

I guess they need that remix to dehtrone the King of UK from the top cause MU is #2 on midweeks.

oh I missed that. that might explain it. UK charts have been harder to manipulate for the Army, where their best peak is still No. 3 (for "Dynamite" and "Butter").

[leoapp]

Sept 26, 2021 12:49:58 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Based on my research, looks like if my universe goes #1, bts would be the first artist in the soundscan era with 6 lead #1s in a 2-year time frame (2020-2021).

That core fanbase sure is very very dedicated...

Rihanna'streak from Rude Boy to We Found Love in 2010 - 2011 was impressive. But she didnt get lead credit on Eminem's Love The Way You Lie

[kimberly]

lol. after My Universe, My Universe (Instrumental), and My Universe (Supernova Remix or whatever), we get a FOURTH version already:

[fridayteenage]

Sept 26, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5 kimberly said:

lol. after My Universe, My Universe (Instrumental), and My Universe (Supernova Remix or whatever), we get a FOURTH version already:

the site also has an 'alternate digital cover,' so an army can buy 20 copies the way they like it.

[divasummer]

The industry is just making their money.
I bet the label is making more money off of these sales than if people streamed it all the time.
Streaming is great for US the consumers but the labels are probably not making as much money as we think.

[thegreatdivine]

Sept 26, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5 kimberly said:

lol. after My Universe, My Universe (Instrumental), and My Universe (Supernova Remix or whatever), we get a FOURTH version already:

This is pathetic imo. Just shows how desperate some acts are to score that #1 debut.

[Groovy]

As I said yesterday and to no one’s surprise, almost every song that had big losses yesterday got big gains today.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Sept 26, 2021 10:15:27 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

These negative updates are long overdue. Stay and Bad Habits peaking on radio is long overdue, and there’s no good reason why G4u is still within striking distance of its radio peak. It’s time to move on from these old songs and let the newer songs shine.

This aged in about a day

[Groovy]

It's a smart strategy if you think about it, BTS' team are trying to make money and the best way to do it is through sales instead of streaming or airplay and they know that their fanbase will buy it so releasing as many versions of the song is the route to go.

[musicbuff26]

It’s by far their best song, but also one of Coldplay’s worst, IMO. But at least we won’t have to deal with a godawful song going #1 for 10 weeks.

These remixes are getting out of control and billboard needs to change their website sales rules, but it won’t happen anytime soon.

[phieaglesfan712]

Sept 27, 2021 9:37:07 GMT -5 musicbuff26 said:

It’s by far their best song, but also one of Coldplay’s worst, IMO. But at least we won’t have to deal with a godawful song going #1 for 10 weeks.

These remixes are getting out of control and billboard needs to change their website sales rules, but it won’t happen anytime soon.

Based on what they did to WAP and G4u, BTS stans will probably hold on to this just long enough so that Stay doesn’t return to #1 on the Hot 100.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 09/26/21

1(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 1,598,476 (-229,204)
2(=) Drake - Way 2 Sexy 1,311,053 (-252,114)
3(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 1,304,904 (-204,433)
4(=) Drake - Knife Talk 1,104,161 (-196,374)
5(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 1,023,367 (-129,685)
6(+2) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 826,006 (-106,357)
7(-1) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 824,089 (-144,527)
8(-1) Drake - Fair Trade 789,417 (-147,032)
9(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 773,665 (-106,610)
10(=) Doja Cat - Need to Know 765,550 (-99,907)

Others:
11(+1) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 712,768 (-95,713)
12(-1) Baby Keem - family ties 696,455 (-119,542)
13(=) Doja Cat - Woman 693,821 (-108,532)
14(=) THE ANXIETY, WILLOW, Tyler Cole - Meet Me At Our Spot 686,739 (-70,291)
15(+1) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 640,053 (-69,477)
16(-1) Drake - Girls Want Girls 627,666 (-114,620)
17(=) Kanye West - Hurricane 611,852 (-93,738)
18(+4) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever 600,140 (-17,654)
19(-1) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 582,027 (-103,683)
20(+1) Farruko - Pepas 568,731 (-90,869)
21(-2) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 559,599 (-117,190)
22(-2) Coldplay, BTS - My Universe 548,942 (-122,102)
23(+4) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 531,873 (-38,777)
24(-1) Måneskin - Beggin' 522,351 (-81,365)
25(-1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 516,646 (-80,159)
26(+4) Kanye West - Moon 478,342 (-44,924)
27(+2) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 477,114 (-62,155)
28(+6) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 474,488 (-18,190)
29(-1) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 459,821 (-90,668)
31(-5) Gunna, Future - Too Easy 454,565 (-116,653)
32(+1) Taylor Swift - Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 450,866 (-49,010)
33(-2) Drake - Champagne Poetry 448,828 (-68,227)
34(-9) Joyner Lucas, J. Cole - Your Heart 434,926 (-143,299)
38(+7) Surf Curse - Freaks 395,862 (-16,354)
39(-4) Drake - No Friends In The Industry 390,083 (-78,195)
40(-4) Chlöe - Have Mercy 389,043 (-67,079)
41(+5) Eslabon Armado, DannyLux - Jugaste y Sufrí 380,420 (-30,034)
43(-1) Kanye West - Off the Grid 373,462 (-56,190)
45(-5) Lil Nas X - SCOOP 363,527 (-69,610)
46(+7) Oliver Tree - Life Goes On 362,482 (-15,962)
48(-5) Elton John, Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 357,229 (-70,305)
49(-2) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 355,155 (-49,419)
52(+10) $uicideboy$ - ...And to Those I Love, Thanks for Sticking Around 337,427 (-17,079)
53(-4) Meek Mill - Sharing Locations 332,111 (-64,170)
54(-3) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 332,023 (-48,138)
55(+5) CKay - love nwantiti (ah ah ah) 331,885 (-25,974)
58(=) The Weeknd - Take My Breath 322,204 (-43,135)
59(-3) Drake - TSU 315,026 (-60,505)
60(-6) Lil Nas X - DOLLA SIGN SLIME 314,834 (-61,959)
61(-2) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 308,891 (-51,939)
63(-15) YoungBoy Never Broke Again - No Where 306,625 (-91,713)
67(-1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 294,755 (-34,061)
68(+26) A-Wall - Loverboy 287,816 (-9,279)
69(+18) PinkPantheress - Pain 284,434 (-16,462)
76(-9) Aventura, Bad Bunny - Volví 276,592 (-46,600)
79(-14) DaBaby - Lonely 274,297 (-55,526)
80(-8) Lizzo - Rumors 273,377 (-41,699)
87(-17) Drake - In the Bible 270,585 (-47,447)
91(-17) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 267,120 (-47,330)
92(+20) Lil Tecca - LOT OF ME 267,068 (-12,114)
96(-19) Drake - N 2 Deep 262,424 (-49,169)

102(-19) Lil Nas X - DEAD RIGHT NOW 255,565 (-47,144)
103(-6) J Balvin, Skrillex - In Da Getto 254,095 (-40,458)
105(=) Baby Keem - range brothers 246,092 (-43,461)
107(-21) YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Nevada 243,836 (-57,218)
108(-5) Lil Nas X - SUN GOES DOWN 243,738 (-46,373)
111(+2) Lil Tecca - REPEAT IT 241,591 (-36,652)
115(-8) Lil Nas X - TALES OF DOMINICA 238,837 (-49,174)
125(-1) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever Edit 235,456 (-27,161)
128(-55) YoungBoy Never Broke Again - On My Side 233,555 (-81,023)
134(+2) Jordan Davis, Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt 229,386 (-25,763)
139(+35) Billie Eilish - Bored 227,629 (-1,191)
158(-41) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha Remix 212,973 (-62,974)
160(-7) bbno$ - edamame 212,258 (-27,415)
165(-20) Tiësto, KAROL G - Don't Be Shy 208,051 (-38,545)
170(-9) Blxst, Tyga - Chosen 205,913 (-30,905)
174(+7) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 202,463 (-21,976)
176(-6) BTS - Butter 201,438 (-30,399)
181(-39) GIVEON - For Tonight 199,785 (-48,513)
182(-18) Kacey Musgraves - breadwinner 198,729 (-37,689)
184(-6) Sueco - Paralyzed 197,987 (-28,301)
194(+1) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 194,793 (-23,399)
195(-18) Camila Cabello - Don't Go Yet 194,054 (-32,576)

Total Streams for Happier Than Ever: 835,596
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 534,486

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/09/27

1(=) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - STAY 100.15(+0.72)
2(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 96.49(+1.08)
3(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 85.68(+0.16)
4(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 76.70(-0.27)
5(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 66.20(-0.84)
6(=) Lil Nas X & Jack Harlow - INDUSTRY BABY 59.40(+0.61)
7(+1) Wizkid - Essence (feat. Tems) 56.68(+0.80)
8(-1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 56.61(-0.80)
9(=) Doja Cat & The Weeknd - You Right 54.66(+0.49)
10(=) The Weeknd - Take My Breath 53.80(+0.11)

12(=) Måneskin - Beggin 49.44(+0.73)

14(+1) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 46.43(+2.66)

20(+2) Drake - Way 2 Sexy (feat. Future & Young Thug) 38.36(+1.38)

23(+4) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 36.01(+2.42)

33(+3) Doja Cat - Need To Know 29.94(+1.07)

-(-) Kane Brown x blackbear - Memory 12.79(+1.01) +

-(-) Justin Bieber - Ghost 10.38(+0.90)

-(-) Drake - Girls Want Girls (feat. Lil Baby) 8.49(+0.95)

-(-) Chlöe - Have Mercy 6.68(+0.74)

-(-) Jonas Brothers - Who's In Your Head 6.61(+1.11)

-(-) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 5.64(+1.35)

-(-) Coldplay X BTS - My Universe 3.13(+2.07) +

-(-) Carlos Vives/mau & Ricky - Besos En Cualquier Horario 1.34(+1.09) +

-(-) Dvila - La Hora 1.23(+0.82) +

[mms82]

Sept 26, 2021 17:49:45 GMT -5 Skibidi Bop Bop said:

Thats what I'm thinking too. Armies new target is UK number 1.😉

They're still mass buying for a US number one though, no?

[mms82]

Sept 27, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/09/27

1(=) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - STAY 100.15(+0.72)

Have we had many other songs get over 100 since COVID? I don't remember many

[phieaglesfan712]

Sept 27, 2021 10:15:29 GMT -5 mms82 said:

Sept 27, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/09/27

1(=) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - STAY 100.15(+0.72)

Have we had many other songs get over 100 since COVID? I don't remember many

Since the recalibration on 4/24/2021, we’ve only had LTDO, Peaches, SYT, Levitating, and now Stay. Though LTDO and SYT also previously reached 100M before the recalibration.

[85la]

Sept 27, 2021 5:32:06 GMT -5 divasummer said:

The industry is just making their money.
I bet the label is making more money off of these sales than if people streamed it all the time.
Streaming is great for US the consumers but the labels are probably not making as much money as we think.

Sept 27, 2021 8:41:30 GMT -5 Groovy said:

It's a smart strategy if you think about it, BTS' team are trying to make money and the best way to do it is through sales instead of streaming or airplay and they know that their fanbase will buy it so releasing as many versions of the song is the route to go.

Both true, but streaming is definitely starting to be a significant, if not the dominant, source of recorded music revenue now, just look at the Hits Revenue or Rolling Stone charts.

Plus, with Adele about to release soon and being on the same label as BTS, their support for them will hopefully stop soon. They would not sacrifice Adele for BTS, as she can easily move even more units!!

[divasummer]

Sept 27, 2021 12:47:29 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 27, 2021 5:32:06 GMT -5 divasummer said:

The industry is just making their money.
I bet the label is making more money off of these sales than if people streamed it all the time.
Streaming is great for US the consumers but the labels are probably not making as much money as we think.

Sept 27, 2021 8:41:30 GMT -5 Groovy said:

It's a smart strategy if you think about it, BTS' team are trying to make money and the best way to do it is through sales instead of streaming or airplay and they know that their fanbase will buy it so releasing as many versions of the song is the route to go.

Both true, but streaming is definitely starting to be a significant, if not the dominant, source of recorded music revenue now, just look at the Hits Revenue or Rolling Stone charts.

Plus, with Adele about to release soon and being on the same label as BTS, their support for them will hopefully stop soon. They would not sacrifice Adele for BTS, as she can easily move even more units!!

Why would BTS fans care about Adele????
Unless their being funded by the record label?

[phieaglesfan712]

Sept 27, 2021 12:47:29 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 27, 2021 5:32:06 GMT -5 divasummer said:

The industry is just making their money.
I bet the label is making more money off of these sales than if people streamed it all the time.
Streaming is great for US the consumers but the labels are probably not making as much money as we think.

Sept 27, 2021 8:41:30 GMT -5 Groovy said:

It's a smart strategy if you think about it, BTS' team are trying to make money and the best way to do it is through sales instead of streaming or airplay and they know that their fanbase will buy it so releasing as many versions of the song is the route to go.

Both true, but streaming is definitely starting to be a significant, if not the dominant, source of recorded music revenue now, just look at the Hits Revenue or Rolling Stone charts.

Plus, with Adele about to release soon and being on the same label as BTS, their support for them will hopefully stop soon. They would not sacrifice Adele for BTS, as she can easily move even more units!!

lol, don’t give BTS stans any ideas. If they can block WAP and G4u, and are trying to block Stay from getting further weeks at #1, they may just get bolder and block Adele.

[KeepDeanWeird]

For songwriters aren't sales far better for them? While streaming revenue may be higher for labels, I was under the impression it was far worse for writers and artist because of pooling or however that revenue is distributed.

It seems like digital/physical sales revenue allocation hasn't changed and was far better for those who actual make music. If that's the case, perhaps, we shouldn't be so down on web sales, signed vinyls, etc.

[85la]

Sept 27, 2021 13:16:46 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Sept 27, 2021 12:47:29 GMT -5 85la said:

Both true, but streaming is definitely starting to be a significant, if not the dominant, source of recorded music revenue now, just look at the Hits Revenue or Rolling Stone charts.

Plus, with Adele about to release soon and being on the same label as BTS, their support for them will hopefully stop soon. They would not sacrifice Adele for BTS, as she can easily move even more units!!

Why would BTS fans care about Adele????
Unless their being funded by the record label?

I was referring to the record label, Columbia (which handles both acts' distribution in the US), giving priority to Adele over BTS.

And phieaglesfan712 that would be a tall order for Army to overcome Adele, her album will easily move 500k+ to over a million units opening week, and her last lead single opened with over a million in pure sales as well (won't do nearly that much this time, but possibly over 200K).

But the point I was trying to make is that the label completely enables all the BTS mass-buying. They can easily cut off all the remixes and discounts, as well as even removing the song completely for sale from their website. They would not let the conditions remain for BTS to block Adele, that would be a huge backfire!

[85la]

Sept 27, 2021 13:21:58 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

For songwriters aren't sales far better for them? While streaming revenue may be higher for labels, I was under the impression it was far worse for writers and artist because of pooling or however that revenue is distributed.

It seems like digital/physical sales revenue allocation hasn't changed and was far better for those who actual make music. If that's the case, perhaps, we shouldn't be so down on web sales, signed vinyls, etc.

I don't know the exact distribution rates, but all stakeholders, whether it be the labels, publishers, artists, or songwriters, all get paid from recorded music revenue, and since one unit sale obviously generates more revenue than one stream, obviously everyone would get more money from that sale, so the song would have to be streamed many more times to equal that revenue.

[kimberly]

Sept 27, 2021 13:21:58 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

For songwriters aren't sales far better for them? While streaming revenue may be higher for labels, I was under the impression it was far worse for writers and artist because of pooling or however that revenue is distributed.

It seems like digital/physical sales revenue allocation hasn't changed and was far better for those who actual make music. If that's the case, perhaps, we shouldn't be so down on web sales, signed vinyls, etc.

the thing is, this would matter to a local band you might want to support. BTS already gets like 100,000,000 views on YouTube in a day when they drop a video. they have several songs above 1B streams on Spotify. they sign multi-million dollar deals with brands for promo. they aren't exactly tight on money. they're not struggling musicians.

the issue people have is that there is an obvious "encouragement" of stan/ARMY behavior by the labels. they basically exploit the fans by putting 10 versions of the same song up for D2C downloads, and telling them they can buy "up to 4 copies each for it to count towards Billboard Hot 100." a dedicated stan will obviously try to buy 40, no matter how irrational that may sound.

I'm all for buying music you like, and have a vinyl collection that's still expanding. buying the same song 40 times digitally (sometimes with funds raised abroad, no less) is not the same thing.

[Groovy]

And just because Adele moved units in 2015 doesn't mean she'll do it again in 2021/2022.

[rosalina4812]

Never bet against the ARMY. Adele may be able to outstream them, but that has never stopped them before. The only way they can be stopped is if the song has EXTREMELY low streams. And who knows that Adele will drop a huge song right now?

[jaffery]

Ed sold out 40+ stadium dates in minutes yesterday. I think he will gross over a billion dollars this tour since he said it will last 4 years. but I do wonder if he can still sell out American football stadiums like before.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^He wasn't kidding about his Mathematics tour, then. Even a '-' is included in the advertisement, which probably means it would see the light of day before the tour ends.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Sept 27, 2021 13:48:09 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Sept 27, 2021 13:21:58 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

For songwriters aren't sales far better for them? While streaming revenue may be higher for labels, I was under the impression it was far worse for writers and artist because of pooling or however that revenue is distributed.

It seems like digital/physical sales revenue allocation hasn't changed and was far better for those who actual make music. If that's the case, perhaps, we shouldn't be so down on web sales, signed vinyls, etc.

the thing is, this would matter to a local band you might want to support. BTS already gets like 100,000,000 views on YouTube in a day when they drop a video. they have several songs above 1B streams on Spotify. they sign multi-million dollar deals with brands for promo. they aren't exactly tight on money. they're not struggling musicians.

the issue people have is that there is an obvious "encouragement" of stan/ARMY behavior by the labels. they basically exploit the fans by putting 10 versions of the same song up for D2C downloads, and telling them they can buy "up to 4 copies each for it to count towards Billboard Hot 100." a dedicated stan will obviously try to buy 40, no matter how irrational that may sound.

I'm all for buying music you like, and have a vinyl collection that's still expanding. buying the same song 40 times digitally (sometimes with funds raised abroad, no less) is not the same thing.

BTS and Columbia have clearly perfected that machine - BTS is an anomaly. My point is there is still real value for artists by promoting digital/physical product so we shouldn't completely dismiss that because of one group/stans. I'm not advocating for the approach that BTS has taken, but it's still legal and supported by the industry - I've yet to hear Billboard, Columbia or even rival labels complain about it.

[Au$tin]

Billboard isn't going to complain about it. Them being able to boast all these magnificent sales for BTS brings in the clicks for them.

And no one is saying sales are illegitimate or physical editions shouldn't count or whatever. The controversy is coming from the purchase of multiple indistinguishable copies of the same song digitally, crowdsourced funding to keep up the charades, and the obvious manipulation of the chart system as a whole in order to obtain artificial peaks, making the legitimacy of the chart dwindle.