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Post by iHype. on Sept 30, 2021 12:37:31 GMT -5
The problem isn't BTS debuting at #1, because when they release a single, it does, most of the time, feel like the biggest thing that week. The issue is them keeping that spot because of scummy tactics for months No, #110 on Apple Music, #23 on Spotify, and minimal airplay doesn’t feel like the biggest thing this week either. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 30, 2021 12:44:08 GMT -5
If Adele is releasing on 11/19, then that pretty much guarantees that Levitating will go recurrent that tracking week, if it hasn’t by that point.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Sept 30, 2021 12:49:08 GMT -5
If Adele is releasing on 11/19, then that pretty much guarantees that Levitating will go recurrent that tracking week, if it hasn’t by that point. It's still September... also, we don't know for sure if her songs will be available on Spotify or AM, "25" was 7 months after the release. |
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Post by Groovy on Sept 30, 2021 12:49:30 GMT -5
10(+3) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 52.52(+1.85) Boooooooooooooooooooo |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 30, 2021 12:59:13 GMT -5
10(+3) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 52.52(+1.85) Boooooooooooooooooooo It’s coming, lol. Purely organic and no sales gimmicks needed. |
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Post by Groovy on Sept 30, 2021 13:10:21 GMT -5
It’s coming, lol. Purely organic and no sales gimmicks needed. In your imagination. |
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Post by atg on Sept 30, 2021 13:14:23 GMT -5
It’s coming, lol. Purely organic and no sales gimmicks needed. In your imagination. I agree. We all know this was Kesha’s impact… |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 30, 2021 13:16:50 GMT -5
^Plus, Applebee's begs to differ ...
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 30, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -5
It’s coming, lol. Purely organic and no sales gimmicks needed. STAY has almost 3x the amount of streams Fancy Like has (2.88 to be more precise but lets just round up) Can you not do simple math |
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Post by Naos on Sept 30, 2021 13:28:05 GMT -5
Say what you want about the chart tactics used to keep BTS #1 for weeks at a time, but there's nothing particularly uniquely fraudulent about "My Universe" debuting at #1. my universe is as real #1 hit as butter!! Lol the sales from BTS fans is the reason that it will debut at #1 and I hope that it will free fall hard..Adele is coming .. it's time for hot 100 to have a real #1 again Yeah. Fans are the ones who drive high debuts. This isn't unique to BTS. If a song debuts at #1, it's typically fans driving high sales and/or streaming. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Sept 30, 2021 13:39:31 GMT -5
My Universe is as real of a #1 hit as Butter (in the sense that Butter was genuinely probably the biggest song of the week for at least the first week or two and it only got to be an issue after that)
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 30, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
My Universe can get 1 week atop the chart, I don't care. When it starts haunting the number-one spot for 10 weeks, that's when it starts becoming an issue.
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Post by violentdreams on Sept 30, 2021 13:59:40 GMT -5
Nobody has to pretend like My Universe is the most popular song this week just because you want to be the rational one in the room who is being totally objective. It's fine to admit this song is a total non presence that will have no cultural impact and the vast majority of people in America will never hear, just like they never heard Life Goes On or Permission to Dance. It's fine to admit that a few thousand people are deciding your charts every week. There doesn't have to be a cute middle ground perspective on everything.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 30, 2021 14:21:22 GMT -5
The problem isn't BTS debuting at #1, because when they release a single, it does, most of the time, feel like the biggest thing that week. The issue is them keeping that spot because of scummy tactics for months This is simply not true. The only hits they've scored that have felt like real hits (at least in the U.S.) are Dynamite and Butter and those only felt like hits because of their longevity on the charts which was only because of the longstanding mass-buying efforts from their fans. None of their hits have felt organic because none of them are. |
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Post by edward on Sept 30, 2021 14:33:14 GMT -5
Nobody has to pretend like My Universe is the most popular song this week just because you want to be the rational one in the room who is being totally objective. It's fine to admit this song is a total non presence that will have no cultural impact and the vast majority of people in America will never hear, just like they never heard Life Goes On or Permission to Dance. It's fine to admit that a few thousand people are deciding your charts every week. There doesn't have to be a cute middle ground perspective on everything. EXACTLY!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 30, 2021 14:40:23 GMT -5
Butter and Stay are huge hits. There is no denying that. What sucks is that Butter was #1 when it was long past its expiration date, and it appears Stay is heading that way. There is something really wrong with the Hot 100 formula when big hits like G4u and Way 2 Sexy get only one week at #1 and IB gets blocked altogether.
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Post by Choco on Sept 30, 2021 15:04:03 GMT -5
Blinding Lights guy was becoming STAY guy but now he seems to hate it.
Make it make sense...
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Post by Groovy on Sept 30, 2021 15:04:41 GMT -5
Butter and Stay are huge hits. There is no denying that. What sucks is that Butter was #1 when it was long past its expiration date, and it appears Stay is heading that way. There is something really wrong with the Hot 100 formula when big hits like G4u and Way 2 Sexy get only one week at #1 and IB gets blocked altogether. What is your proposition for Stay? It’s been consistent in every metric for its entire run. |
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Post by mylo on Sept 30, 2021 15:05:00 GMT -5
But isn't G4U too old for radio?
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Post by kindofbiased on Sept 30, 2021 15:12:09 GMT -5
and thats where I lose you lol Stay feels so much bigger than Way 2 Sexy, Stay is huge in basically every metric right now
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Post by 85la on Sept 30, 2021 15:19:05 GMT -5
It’s coming, lol. Purely organic and no sales gimmicks needed. In your imagination. How is he wrong? In what ways are other hits more organic? Love it or hate it, you have to admit this song has been building for a while and is clearly resonating with many people. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 30, 2021 15:31:21 GMT -5
But isn't G4U too old for radio? Of course, there is no reason why it should be still this close to its radio peak. But at least it has began to fall in recent days. Slowly but surely. I don’t like the song, but I can admit it deserved a few extra weeks at #1 earlier in its run. |
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Post by kingvavis on Sept 30, 2021 17:10:51 GMT -5
Kendrick Lamar, Dr Dre, Eminem and more are performing at the Halftime Show in 2022! Expect new projects around the corner.
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Post by inverse on Sept 30, 2021 17:16:03 GMT -5
Omg can Drunk & I Don't Wanna Go Home stop playing with my emotions? Just surge on radio already!!
this is the only thing i'm going to post about in these threads
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Post by 85la on Sept 30, 2021 17:48:56 GMT -5
Well this is a weird anti-climactic unfolding of events. Just as we're about to have our Adele orgasm, Eminem comes out with a new track, with him, Dr. Dre, and Snoop Dogg anounced as the Halftime performers! Why don't they just bring back 'N Sync and the Spice Girls while they're at it!
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Post by firefox on Sept 30, 2021 18:30:51 GMT -5
Adele vs Taylor would've been 2020s "Justin vs 1D" (2010s) and "50 Cent vs Kanye" (2000s). But since stan wars became more toxic now, good it's not gonna happen.
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Post by gikem on Sept 30, 2021 18:32:11 GMT -5
I’m glad that they went for some legends of hip-hop and R&B for this year’s Super Bowl halftime show, but I’m not looking forward to all the network TV censorship. It’s been a thing in past halftime performances (I still remember MIA giving the finger live), but it will be ramped up to the nth degree this year.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 30, 2021 19:09:25 GMT -5
Adele vs Taylor would've been 2020s "Justin vs 1D" (2010s) and "50 Cent vs Kanye" (2000s). But since stan wars became more toxic now, good it's not gonna happen. Taylor would've lost regardless anyway. Adele isn't doing anything less than 500k. |
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Post by Naos on Sept 30, 2021 19:25:14 GMT -5
Nobody has to pretend like My Universe is the most popular song this week just because you want to be the rational one in the room who is being totally objective. It's fine to admit this song is a total non presence that will have no cultural impact and the vast majority of people in America will never hear, just like they never heard Life Goes On or Permission to Dance. It's fine to admit that a few thousand people are deciding your charts every week. There doesn't have to be a cute middle ground perspective on everything. Not a lot of #1s have "cultural impact" (whatever that means, and there's likely not a way to measure that). The vast majority of people in the US don't hear really any song. The best-selling and streamed songs of all-time were not heard by the vast majority of people. And if you want to continue the "fine to admit" thing you're doing, it's also fine to admit that what a lot of people seem to want in reality, including you, is for the Hot 100 to be a copy of the streaming chart. |
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Post by Clode on Sept 30, 2021 19:54:03 GMT -5
Literally none of these 5 BTS songs (And soon to be 6 BTS songs because of “My Universe”) that have gotten to #1 on the Hot 100 including their multi-week #1’s “Dynamite” and “Butter” have ever felt like the biggest song here in the US. Case in point “WAP” always felt like a bigger hit than “Dynamite” and “Good 4 U” always felt like a bigger hit than “Butter”, If it wasn’t for these BTS Stans constantly mass buying their songs I’m betting that none of those songs would have gotten anywhere near the Top spot.
Like others on here have said before I’m hoping that Billboard finally takes action and stops counting these mass purchases.
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