Billboard Hot 100: 11/20/2021

[Gary]

Nov 7, 2021 12:57:48 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Nov 7, 2021 12:46:07 GMT -5 Gary said:

General question if you stop listening to music because the artist was directly or indirectly responsible for a behavior or an act that is offensive to somebody - what's left?

My take - unless the song itself drives you the listener to immoral behavior(which of course could happen but likely to a much smaller degree), then the song is innocent, even if the artist isn't. I will enjoy the music I enjoy and not worry about it,

Well what's left is...you don't listen to their music. it's not that hard.

To use an extreme example to make my point: I highly doubt the people who don't listen want to R. Kelly (like myself) are kicking themselves for doing so. There's thousands, if not millions of artists you could always listen to. Some people aren't comfortable listening to acts who've raped or killed or emotionally abused others, and some are content. Again, we all have different standards (especially if the artist is dead and can't actively gain any monetary compensation from consumption) but it's really not that painful to not want to support an artist after they're outted as being a POS.

And I didn't even getting into artists that are actively spreading misinformation and conspiracies and harm with their music.

My bad - I should have said "who is left?" not "what is left?"



People in the public eye have lots of bad habits that are offensive to one person or another, much of which these days are captured by Twitter and anyone with a cell camera.

I respect the desire of people to personally 'cancel' artists because they are in the news for a negative reason. If you 'cancel' an artist because you believe that by listening to a song you are supporting and taking responsibility for every aspect of the artists life - that is your choice.

Others though like myself are in it for the music

[Choco]

I promise y'all there are better acts out there than Travis Scott. You'll be fine not streaming him.

[fridayteenage]

yours by jin is #1 on itunes.

will it top sales this week, or does army not care about pushing the solo songs?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 7, 2021 13:15:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

Nov 7, 2021 12:57:48 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Well what's left is...you don't listen to their music. it's not that hard.

To use an extreme example to make my point: I highly doubt the people who don't listen want to R. Kelly (like myself) are kicking themselves for doing so. There's thousands, if not millions of artists you could always listen to. Some people aren't comfortable listening to acts who've raped or killed or emotionally abused others, and some are content. Again, we all have different standards (especially if the artist is dead and can't actively gain any monetary compensation from consumption) but it's really not that painful to not want to support an artist after they're outted as being a POS.

And I didn't even getting into artists that are actively spreading misinformation and conspiracies and harm with their music.

My bad - I should have said "who is left?" not "what is left?"



People in the public eye have lots of bad habits that are offensive to one person or another, much of which these days are captured by Twitter and anyone with a cell camera.

I respect the desire of people to personally 'cancel' artists because they are in the news for a negative reason. If you 'cancel' an artist because you believe that by listening to a song you are supporting and taking responsibility for every aspect of the artists life - that is your choice.

Others though like myself are in it for the music

Well the answer to who is left: as I keep saying, everyone has different standards. 

The point of these cancellations isnt to single out artists until we only listen to people who've never done a single bad thing, it's just everyone has their own big stances on morality and we try to limit those who cross that barrier. 

Everyone in the public eye may have "bad habits" but not all evils are equal. I doubt anyone would say being mean on Twitter is as cancelleable as coercing minors into having sex or emotionally abusing partners. 

Again, not trying to be smug or belittled on those who do seperate the art from the artist, I just hope I've made myself clearer

[korbel16]

I work with people who still refuse to not listen to r. Kelly and Tory lanez. U can’t stop people from listening to Travis if u tried cuz the fans are already Chaotic as u saw at the festival. So tragic

[korbel16]

Nov 7, 2021 10:19:38 GMT -5 firefox said:

Loved to see Happier Than Ever getting good radio updates. That song deserved top 10.

feel like if she didn’t release 2 bland songs before the album, HTE coulda have debuted at number 1 🤷🏽‍♀️

[ontopofthis]

Nov 7, 2021 12:46:23 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Haven’t even bothered to listen to his new songs but it’s definitely obvious he will still have a huge following and his music will continue to chart high for a while. If someone does not want to listen because their personal stance then that’s fine but ultimately trying to convince/guilt others to also not listen will go nowhere.

Everyone has their own personal limit on what will make them stop listening to music or supporting an artist (many people who won’t listen to Travis but will continue to stream songs Dr. Luke has involvement in for example). Every situation is complex and has dozens of factors which is why trying to pass your own personal assessment of how to go forward with consuming an artist as universally accepted goes nowhere.

Chart wise… the new songs don’t appear to have any physical CDs available so far like Franchise/The Scotts/Highest in the Room. I don’t think it would be logical for his label to now release them directly following the drama either (not to mention they probably mostly wouldn’t even ship out in time at this point) so we can rule out another fluke #1 debut from him as of now.

The fact of the matter is that the losers who are usually at the top of the internet whining about things are not why those people or things are successful in the first place. Listen to or do not listen to whatever you want, but people need to stop being obnoxious about it and need to stop trying impose their behaviors onto other people. That is why you are beginning to see see so much pushback about "cancel culture" and "wokeness." The people who are spearheading it are absolutely insufferable 

[ontopofthis]

Nov 7, 2021 13:33:59 GMT -5 Choco said:

I promise y'all there are better acts out there than Travis Scott. You'll be fine not streaming him.

Why are you trying to control what random strangers are listening to? 

[ontopofthis]

It appears that the Post Malone song is not performing well anywhere 

[Gary]

Nov 7, 2021 13:39:13 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Nov 7, 2021 13:15:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

My bad - I should have said "who is left?" not "what is left?"



People in the public eye have lots of bad habits that are offensive to one person or another, much of which these days are captured by Twitter and anyone with a cell camera.

I respect the desire of people to personally 'cancel' artists because they are in the news for a negative reason. If you 'cancel' an artist because you believe that by listening to a song you are supporting and taking responsibility for every aspect of the artists life - that is your choice.

Others though like myself are in it for the music

Well the answer to who is left: as I keep saying, everyone has different standards. 

The point of these cancellations isnt to single out artists until we only listen to people who've never done a single bad thing, it's just everyone has their own big stances on morality and we try to limit those who cross that barrier. 

Everyone in the public eye may have "bad habits" but not all evils are equal. I doubt anyone would say being mean on Twitter is as cancelleable as coercing minors into having sex or emotionally abusing partners. 

Again, not trying to be smug or belittled on those who do seperate the art from the artist, I just hope I've made myself clearer

I understand both sides of the picture. You keep talking evil and immorality. As a personal sign of not supporting that evil and morality of said artist in the news, you personally cancel the artist.  I understand.  I get it.


I believe, in most cases, the song itself is innocent. The consumer of the song is responsible for their own behavior only, not the behavior and life choices of the artists that put the song out. The belief is that it is possible to support the songs without it being and equal show of support for evil and immorality. This is why you see <insert random artist hit by cancel culture> still popular.

I also respect both sides and also would not try to judge one side or the other.  SO I think we agree

[dynamac]

Me streaming Escape Plan will make Travis Scott a whopping $0.00437 per listen so I think any moral handwringing of “supporting the artist” or “giving them money” by streaming is pretty pointless.

Some people don’t feel comfortable listening to morally f**ked people, some people just like the songs regardless of context it’s as simple as that. None of these people will ever know we exist and are stars with more money than god so I don’t really see the point in policing their art.

[enwhy]

Nov 7, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

It appears that the Post Malone song is not performing well anywhere 

It's not doing #1 debut numbers, but I wouldn't say not performing well? I think it'll land in the top 10.

#1 US Spotify (1.3M)
#3 US iTunes (behind Adele + BTS)
#28 US Apple Music (#9 excluding Summer Walker album bomb)
On pace for ~20M Radio Audience + Top 20 on Pop radio by the end of the week

[algo]

Nov 7, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

It appears that the Post Malone song is not performing well anywhere 

what are you talking about? it rose to #1 on spotify today, it's getting picked up fast by radio & is currently sitting at #4 on itunes

[nathanalbright]

Some people have rather demanding standards of what it means to do well. If it doesn't beat Driver's License's numbers it's a flop.

[JukeboxJacob]

I'm sure y'all ain't about conspiracies, but a satanist performing a song called "Escape Plan" while people are actually dying trying to escape is kinda sus

[iHype.]

It is #1 on Spotify, but the numbers are pretty low. It's similar to how an album can be #1 but still have disappointing numbers.

It is just barely above "Industry Baby" on Spotify & Apple Music, and that song did 15 million audio streams last week. That means at the moment "One Right Now" is pacing around 15 million audio streams first week.


Even Take My Breath, Your Power, Motley Crew, and Bad Bunny's Yonaguni did more streams first week. For the #1 & #2 artist of 2020 year-end to collab and start out with lower numbers than those songs can ofcourse be pretty surprising to many people's standards.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[mms82]

Nov 7, 2021 6:53:57 GMT -5 goldentakes said:

Nov 7, 2021 6:16:36 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

One right now is ''monster 2.0'' ..2 big pop stars failed to deliver and maybe it can have a top 10 debut ( thanks to radio support) but fall hard on the second week

Is Mendes even considered a big pop star anymore? Either way, I think One Right Now will definitely fare a lot better than Monster. It has more casual replay value and a better sound for radio overall. Don't think it'll smash, but I can see it being a decent sized hit for sure.

Shawn’s fall off was wild and so sudden- he had two #1 debuts blocked by OTR (and Señorita eventually got there) to not really being able to chart just over a year later

[chanman]

Nov 7, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

It appears that the Post Malone song is not performing well anywhere 

I dont quite understand your post but care to explain! So far its doing fine on all 3 metrics ....

And I like the song which is I think is quite better than each of the artists previous charted singles.... "Moth To A Flame" and "Motley Crue" ...the two Mott's

[Normi]

Post stays winning

[NeRD]

I didn't realize Travis' streaming power.

[ontopofthis]

Nov 7, 2021 16:22:24 GMT -5 chanman said:

Nov 7, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

It appears that the Post Malone song is not performing well anywhere 

I dont quite understand your post but care to explain! So far its doing fine on all 3 metrics ....

And I like the song which is I think is quite better than each of the artists previous charted singles.... "Moth To A Flame" and "Motley Crue" ...the two Mott's

I am referring to the global Spotify performance. It is not putting up particularly strong numbers in any country

[kindofbiased]

I don't know what this forum's standards are for hits anymore I cannot remember the last time a song went to #1 on Spotify and people responded to that with "hm. looks like it's flopping" (feels like this is the reaction to literally every new song that comes out too)

[85la]

Nov 7, 2021 14:03:16 GMT -5 dynamac said:

Me streaming Escape Plan will make Travis Scott a whopping $0.00437 per listen so I think any moral handwringing of “supporting the artist” or “giving them money” by streaming is pretty pointless.

Some people don’t feel comfortable listening to morally f**ked people, some people just like the songs regardless of context it’s as simple as that. None of these people will ever know we exist and are stars with more money than god so I don’t really see the point in policing their art.

This brings up a good point for people who can't always separate the art from the artist, because certainly there are different levels of financial compensation one gives an artist by listening to or supporting their music. Streaming a song, or downloading it illegally, will of course give them very little to no money, however purchasing their songs or albums, buying their merch/concert tickets, etc., will of course give them much more money that would keep their career going and would more likely enable them to continue whatever problematic behavior listeners have a problem with.

[85la]

Wow, interestingly, this isn't the first time Travis has been in trouble for disorderly crowds during his performances. There are at least these two other incidents, the first at Lollapalooza in 2015 (most of article is blocked, but you get the gist in the first paragraph) and the other at a show in Arkansas in 2017:

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/travis-scott-arrested-after-fans-storm-lollapalooza-stage-57069/?fbclid=IwAR3pRZkmxOxTnmnWZKfpmac9VT_0M2XrThk9eLCy-daNucqtH7NRNd6xQr4

www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/rapper-travis-scott-arrested-after-concert-at-walmart-amp/527-5d545742-c80a-4923-8514-e6e12e5856bd?fbclid=IwAR0PF5QzMwmaAFnxHMRTkOq3mig22P2tMz0RAEHAyd_0_z0He4hJq3xAvHc

[iamsorare]

Nov 7, 2021 17:39:48 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

I don't know what this forum's standards are for hits anymore I cannot remember the last time a song went to #1 on Spotify and people responded to that with "hm. looks like it's flopping" (feels like this is the reaction to literally every new song that comes out too)

for example no one said that drivers licence was flopping or good for you was flopping or peaches was flopping,or stay was flopping.. they were legit hits with huge numbers..and it was impressive that a new artist like olivia did that or Bieber did that cause he had some underperform singles before.. post and weeknd are supposed to be huge pop stars ..#1 on TTH Spotify ,radio payola..the streaming numbers are low despite that it's #1 .. it's not something to be proud of..

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

In the Air Tonight in the top 10 of iTunes ...

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Idk what's happening, but there's like 5 "create your own short to [Ed Sheeran song]" videos in the top 25 of most viewed YT videos in the past 24h. And all have more than 10 million views, Shivers short almost 90 million in like 2 weeks.

[phieaglesfan712]

Nov 7, 2021 19:40:11 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

In the Air Tonight in the top 10 of iTunes ...

I guess everyone was watching that segment on Sunday NFL Countdown this morning.

[gikem]

Nov 7, 2021 19:53:44 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Idk what's happening, but there's like 5 "create your own short to [Ed Sheeran song]" videos in the top 25 of most viewed YT videos in the past 24h. And all have more than 10 million views, Shivers short almost 90 million in like 2 weeks.

I'd say that this is probably how artists and labels are trying to boost YouTube streams since music video views are down across the board, but then again UGC doesn't count for the Hot 100 anymore, so idk