Billboard Hot 100: 12/18/2021

[jenglisbe]

Dec 7, 2021 11:26:15 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Dec 7, 2021 10:41:13 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

People have been complaining about the "credibility" of the Grammys since at least the early 1990s, perhaps even earlier. Yet here they still are getting major media coverage, discussion on these boards, and appearances from big music names (not to mention labels doing FYCs and such).

The early 1990s coincided with the Milli Vanilli debacle. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the event that started the questioning of the credibility of the Grammys.

Correct, that was a big blow for them. But so were things like Tony Bennett winning AOTY. That's when the committees were put in place. My point is simply that the Grammys have survived all of this "credibility" talk for literal decades, yet remain the most relevant music awards show.

[ontopofthis]

The moderators have already told you guys that there is a Grammys thread. Why are you insistent on terrorizing the people in the charts section with Grammy nonsense when we obviously are not trying to hear it?

[enwhy]

Wow, Stay is a near lock to break this record. Only way it doesn't is if the radio decline picks up very quickly.

[Lukas]

Dec 7, 2021 11:55:46 GMT -5 ontopofthis said:

The moderators have already told you guys that there is a Grammys thread. Why are you insistent on terrorizing the people in the charts section with Grammy nonsense when we obviously are not trying to hear it?

If you don't like it, just skip it.

[Groovy]

“Terrorizing people,” I had to laugh.

[NeRD]

So OTR was #1 for 19 weeks but Top 3 for only 20?

[Au$tin]

Dec 7, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5 Groovy said:

“Terrorizing people,” I had to laugh.

He terrorizes me with his posts, tbh.

[whales10268]

Dec 7, 2021 12:24:07 GMT -5 NeRD said:

So OTR was #1 for 19 weeks but Top 3 for only 20?

Didn't they change the rules for UGC around then?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 12/05/21

1(=) SZA - I Hate U 1,359,707 (+116,506)
2(=) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree 962,480 (-173,465)
3(+2) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 941,965 (-27,879)
4(+6) Adele - Easy On Me 918,189 (+86,307)
5(-2) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 917,503 (-178,305)
6(-2) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You 907,374 (-140,946)
7(+2) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 892,657 (+30,881)
8(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 861,038 (-3,916)
9(+3) GAYLE - abcdefu 848,543 (+77,470)
10(+3) Taylor Swift - All Too Well (10 Minute Version) 845,362 (+81,288)

Others:
12(+6) Juice WRLD - Wandered To LA 736,596 (+45,083)
15(+7) Doja Cat - Need to Know 652,781 (+10,348)
17(+11) Drake - Knife Talk 638,048 (+47,728)
18(+5) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Smokin Out The Window 637,560 (+25,078)
21(+8) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 613,121 (+81,204)
24(+12) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 601,502 (+112,510)
27(+5) Baby Keem - family ties 569,530 (+60,546)
29(+12) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 539,605 (+63,804)
32(-1) Doja Cat - Woman 516,297 (+2,391)
35(+9) THE ANXIETY, WILLOW, Tyler Cole - Meet Me At Our Spot 500,062 (+33,411)
36(+4) NEIKED - Better Days 494,779 (+17,792)
37(+15) Billie Eilish - Happier Than Ever 490,950 (+49,825)
39(+8) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 484,689 (+29,423)
43(+15) Adele - Oh My God 469,185 (+45,991)
44(-1) Elton John, Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 466,732 (-4,849)
45(+21) The Walters - I Love You So 464,354 (+61,949)
48(+9) Playboi Carti - Sky 450,145 (+24,802)
51(+8) Polo G - Bad Man (Smooth Criminal) 432,312 (+16,478)
55(+8) Nardo Wick - Who Want Smoke?? 418,208 (+10,361)
58(+10) Post Malone - One Right Now 416,168 (+20,731)
59(+33) Vundabar - Alien Blues 415,958 (+83,028)
61(+9) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 406,887 (+14,971)
74(+19) Rod Wave - By Your Side 368,445 (+41,430)
77(+7) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 360,435 (+6,432)
80(+9) Polo G - Don't Play 354,385 (+14,472)
81(+10) Juice WRLD - Already Dead 349,619 (+14,455)
89(+29) Emmy Meli - I AM WOMAN 339,143 (+39,853)
90(+42) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 337,942 (+67,982)
98(+7) Justin Bieber - Ghost 327,264 (+17,615)
100(+16) The Rare Occasions - Notion 320,598 (+19,278)

105(+5) Amaarae - SAD GIRLZ LUV MONEY Remix 316,194 (+12,153)
110(+15) Polo G - Young N Dumb 313,471 (+30,367)
111(-13) BoyWithUke - Toxic 311,728 (-6,017)
116(+17) Shawn Mendes - It'll Be Okay 305,190 (+36,219)
124(-12) CKay - love nwantiti (ah ah ah) 297,550 (-6,026)
123(+13) Beach House - Space Song 300,878 (+34,691)
132(+16) $uicideboy$ - ...And to Those I Love, Thanks for Sticking Around 282,250 (+26,040)
137(+10) Joy Again - Looking Out for You 280,345 (+23,836)
142(+12) Summer Walker - No Love 276,228 (+25,281)
144(-18) ACRAZE, Cherish - Do It to It 275,627 (-7,437)
155(+8) Coldplay, BTS - My Universe 265,032 (+23,533)
156(+17) Jaymes Young - Infinity 264,848 (+31,025)
162(+9) Jordan Davis, Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt 256,959 (+21,528)
163(+35) Nardo Wick - Me Or Sum 256,105 (+35,661)
177(-20) Autumn! - One Way! 244,355 (-4,792)
182(re-entry) Jessie Murph - Always Been You 242,313
183(+4) Morgan Wallen - Sand In My Boots 241,305 (+15,723)
185(+6) Swedish House Mafia - Moth To A Flame 240,666 (+18,701)
188(-5) Ariana Grande, Kid Cudi - Just Look Up 237,872 (+10,817)
190(re-entry) Brent Faiayz - MERCEDES 235,439

Biggest Gains (50K+): happier, favorite crime, Alien Blues, deja vu, I Love You So, drivers license, traitor, Dark Red, family ties, Super Gremlin, Enemy, All Too Well (10 Minute Version), abcdefu, East On Me, I Hate U

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Christmas Songs outside the Top 10
11(-5) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 809,714 (-143,439)
14(-3) Burl Ives - A Holly Jolly Christmas 664,185 (-110,653)
16(-2) Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 649,970 (-75,407)
19(-4) Wham! - Last Christmas 627,366 (-74,368)
20(-13) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 618,075 (-322,661)
23(-6) Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song 607,679 (-85,372)
25(-9) José Feliciano - Feliz Navidad 591,589 (-108,950)
26(-7) The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride 578,870 (-98,912)
28(-8) Frank Sinatra - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 567,668 (-105,798)
30(-4) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 536,460 (-57,568)
34(-9) Perry Como, The Fontane Sisters - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas 500,166 (-96,332)
46(-12) Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 456,030 (-40,588)
47(-17) Darlene Love - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 455,762 (-73,079)
49(-16) Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime 448,431 (-52,800)
52(-17) Elvis Presley - Blue Christmas 425,064 (-68,826)
53(-16) Chuck Berry - Run Rudolph Run 423,846 (-57,526)
54(-9) Michael Bublé - Holly Jolly Christmas 423,466 (-39,063)
56(-8) Justin Bieber - Mistletoe 417,780 (-33,368)
60(-18) Eartha Kitt, Henri Rene & His Orchestra - Santa Baby 410,526 (-64,074)
64(-14) John Lennon, Yoko Ono - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 401,874 (-44,963)
66(-20) The Jackson 5 - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town 394,473 (-66,227)
67(-18) Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 393,985 (-55,778)
68(-13) Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas 386,046 (-44,807)
70(-19) Mykola Dmytrovych Leontovych, John Williams - Carol of the Bells 379,025 (-67,671)
73(-20) Vince Guaraldi Trio - Christmas Time Is Here Vocal 372,308 (-64,291)
79(-17) Andy Williams - Happy Holiday / The Holiday Season 356,210 (-53,008)
82(-15) The Beach Boys - Little Saint Nick 347,761 (-49,933)
83(-19) Bing Crosby, The Andrews Sisters - Mele Kalikimaka 347,261 (-58,956)
86(-9) Vince Guaraldi Trio - O Tannenbaum 343,944 (-32,370)
88(-16) Dean Martin - Baby, It's Cold Outside 339,472 (-50,482)
94(-18) Bruce Springsteen - Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town (Live) 330,533 (-46,160)
95(-26) Judy Garland - Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 328,758 (-65,093)
96(-18) Nat King Cole - Joy To The World 328,479 (-43,776)
97(-17) Mariah Carey - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 327,654 (-37,030)

104(-21) Perry Como - (There's No Place Like) Home for the Holidays 316,467 (-39,402)
109(-27) Burl Ives - Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer 313,742 (-47,172)
117(-29) The Jackson 5 - I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus 302,907 (-38,393)
119(-29) Gene Autry - Here Comes Santa Claus (Right Down Santa Claus Lane) 302,103 (-34,369)
120(-7) Sia - Snowman 301,546 (-1,391)
133(-32) Frank Sinatra - Mistletoe And Holly 281,922 (-33,362)
139(-40) Bing Crosby - Do You Hear What I Hear? 280,217 (-36,519)
140(-33) Donny Hathaway - This Christmas 278,784 (-27,270)
143(-26) Eagles - Please Come Home for Christmas 276,051 (-24,315)
173(-58) Thurl Ravenscroft - You're A Mean One, Mr. Grinch 247,188 (-54,734)
198(-69) Bing Crosby, Carol Richards - Silver Bells 229,130 (-47,192)

[Groovy]

Olivia Rodrigo on Tiny Desk

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 7, 2021 12:55:48 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

Dec 7, 2021 12:24:07 GMT -5 NeRD said:

So OTR was #1 for 19 weeks but Top 3 for only 20?

Didn't they change the rules for UGC around then?

Yes, but they failed to address the issue of declining sales.

[kindofbiased]

Damn, I Hate U is really stable on Spotify. Hope that translates into chart success cause she deserves it

[kalmanta]

Dec 7, 2021 2:10:17 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So this is going viral in the UK, is climbing up the alt/rock charts, can we also make it go viral so it becomes a Top 40 on the Hot 100?

Omg thank for sharing, this track is amazing. Fingers crossed it can become even bigger.

[JukeboxJacob]

Dec 7, 2021 12:16:42 GMT -5 enwhy said:

Wow, Stay is a near lock to break this record. Only way it doesn't is if the radio decline picks up very quickly.

Eh, it's about to get forced out by the Christmas songs, & afterwards probably won't rebound to top 3

[phieaglesfan712]

Dec 7, 2021 15:40:52 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Dec 7, 2021 12:16:42 GMT -5 enwhy said:

Wow, Stay is a near lock to break this record. Only way it doesn't is if the radio decline picks up very quickly.

Eh, it's about to get forced out by the Christmas songs, & afterwards probably won't rebound to top 3

Looking back at this, I’m amazed that Drake dropping CLB is the only thing keeping Stay from having a continuous run in the Top 5, and even then, it only dropped to #6 that week.

If Stay remains in the Top 10 through the Christmas freeze, it should pass Circles 38 weeks in the Top 10 to begin its run.

[ontopofthis]

Dec 7, 2021 12:31:45 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Dec 7, 2021 12:23:35 GMT -5 Groovy said:

“Terrorizing people,” I had to laugh.

He terrorizes me with his posts, tbh.

And you are not even a blip on the radar, so how does it feel to be so insignificant? 

[Mayman]

Dec 7, 2021 2:10:17 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So this is going viral in the UK, is climbing up the alt/rock charts, can we also make it go viral so it becomes a Top 40 on the Hot 100?

I love this song as well as it's parent album. I know he's had success on the Triple A format before, but would love to see this get past just that format.

[iHype.]

"One Right Now" shaping up to be the biggest underperformance of 2021.

It's actually quite amazing how often the public immediately disregards superstar collabs *specifically* meant to chart well. Taylor/Ed/Future, Eminem/Beyonce, Mariah/Whitney, Britney/Madonna, Ariana/Bieber (we know how that song did without sales tactics), Shakira/Rihanna, etc.

Most of the time these songs don't even do big numbers out the gate either before stalling. I think for the most part big name collabs don't attract GP's attention the way a label perceives them to.

Even when they actually do become hits they still end up pretty forgotten and overlooked down the line majority of the time. Michael Jackson & Paul McCartney, the two biggest men ever in music, literally have a #1 collab on the biggest selling album in history. You think that would be a setup for like the biggest classic ever, yet even then that song is the least remembered single on the album and feels incredibly forgotten. 

[gikem]

Dec 7, 2021 22:48:05 GMT -5 iHype. said:

"One Right Now" shaping up to be the biggest underperformance of 2021.

It's actually quite amazing how often the public immediately disregards superstar collabs *specifically* meant to chart well. Taylor/Ed/Future, Eminem/Beyonce, Mariah/Whitney, Britney/Madonna, Ariana/Bieber (we know how that song did without sales tactics), Shakira/Rihanna, etc.

Most of the time these songs don't even do big numbers out the gate either before stalling. I think for the most part big name collabs don't attract GP's attention the way a label perceives them to.

Yeah, two massive A-listers collaborating is usually a recipe for long-term disaster if they don't remember to make the song memorable/good. Meanwhile, if it's a collab between an A-lister and a B-lister (Sunflower, WAP, Stay, etc.), those usually have a much longer shelf life.

[magik]

It is interesting how big collaborations aren't really big in the grand scheme of things. Another collaboration that wasn't really big here in the States is "Telephone" by Gaga and Beyoncé. You would think something like that would have been a huge #1, nope.

But then you have something like "The Boy Is Mine" by lower tier stars, Monica and Brandy. I think the best and biggest collaborations come from smaller artists or a mix of tiers.

[Choco]

Telephone was well received compared to some of the other examples. It even eventually rose to the top 3.

Dua Lipa x Elton John is a recent example of a collab done well although in that case nobody expected it to be a hit. Sheeran x Bieber was also a big deal.

[JukeboxJacob]

Like Gikem said, I think it boils down to song quality. People certainly listened to One Right Now, it got the exposure it needed to take off, but it's a meh song so people aren't coming back to it. The same could be said for the other big collab songs brought up

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Telephone wasn't a #1 hit but I'd say it was pretty successful overall otherwise. In no way would I put it as an underperformer at all, especially if you consider that it would have been measured as a bigger hit if Billboard tracked video views when it came out.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I don't think it boils down to quality imo. I think sometimes, songs don't click for whatever reason.

[fridayteenage]

depends on the market too.

Can't Remember to Forget You, a classic, did eh in the US but globally is one of the biggest videos for both of them.

[mylo]

ORN disappointed me so much. Weeknd and Post are capable of so much more than the measly half-cooked mess that ORN is. I dont come back to it at all and when I do my experience is ruined by the awful lyrics. Who thought putting an awkward line about sex on a wall that you broke your hand on was a good idea?? It's sad as they're two of my favourite artists but still when compared with singles from Post's other eras it just falls short, massively.

[Abbaschand]

I think we can safely say that Post peaked at Hollywood's Bleeding. I just don't see him ever top that album. Hell, I don't even see him even touched half of the success he had during his past 3 era (Stoney, B&B, and HB) ever again.

[thegreatdivine]

^ I wouldn't write Post Malone off just yet but he's a very singles-inclined artist and after some considerable time away, he returned and so far, he's 0/2 with his singles. I'm sure him and his management are worried why the songs aren't connecting and doing well like usual.

[Limited Edition]

This new song by The Weeknd seems to be taking off. Currently #15 on Global Apple Music. I wonder if it will become a big hit in 2022 🤔