chanman
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Post by chanman on Dec 16, 2021 9:33:56 GMT -5
If anything, I want a larger chart. Go 200 songs. It's the age of streaming, everything's less centralized so charts might as well reflect that Totally agreed. Top 200 is long overdue!!! |
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Post by sheardbeard on Dec 16, 2021 9:42:51 GMT -5
Way to go, Elton John! After not appearing on the Hot 100 since 2000, he’s gotten three entries in 2021: “Cold Heart (PNAU Remix)” - Elton John & Dua Lipa “ONE OF ME” - Lil Nas X (feat. Elton John) “Merry Christmas” - Ed Sheeran & Elton John Speaking of Ed and Elton‘s “Merry Christmas”, has anyone else who’s heard it noticed how incredibly “loud” the mastering is? It’s like Metallica-Death-Magnetic loud. Nice song though. |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 16, 2021 9:49:26 GMT -5
I remember they actually did consider shrinking Billboard 200 at one point in the early 2010s, because album sales were shrinking so much and you needed like 2k sales to enter the chart at that point. Then they just ended up adding equivalent album units and the chart became more lively again as far as the lower portion (you need 7-8k to be #200 now which is similar to early 2000s), then made the Top Album Sales chart and shrunk that to a top 100.
The Hot 100 chart being expanded would actually be nice since there is so many more singles today, songs chart way longer, we have album bombs that take 20~ positions, etc.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Dec 16, 2021 9:49:29 GMT -5
If anything, I want a larger chart. Go 200 songs. It's the age of streaming, everything's less centralized so charts might as well reflect that Totally agreed. Top 200 is long overdue!!! I’ll agree to 200 songs, but only on the condition of no recurrent rules. I know people will get sick of songs like UF, Perfect, Sunflower, and BL, but I’d prefer them charting over the 437th most popular song of the weeks due to a technicality (recurrent rules). |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 16, 2021 13:07:20 GMT -5
I've got to agree on this. A top 200 songs chart, comprehensive, no recurrent rules, with all stats counted with the same formula as the Hot 100, that would be ideal.
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Groovy
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Post by Groovy on Dec 16, 2021 13:31:40 GMT -5
We’d never get rid of Don’t Start Now, Rockstar, Circles, Sweater Weather, Sunflower, When We Were Young, Blinding Lights, Save Your Tears, most of Ed Sheeran’s singles since Multiply, etc if the charts ever did extend to 200 and recurrent rules were no more. I would love this chart.
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Post by gikem on Dec 16, 2021 13:40:57 GMT -5
I'm OK with a no-recurrents top 200 using Billboard's same methodology as the US Hot 100 (same with the Canadian Hot 100, TBH), but only on the condition that they make it a separate chart from the Hot 100.
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Post by sheardbeard on Dec 16, 2021 13:42:40 GMT -5
We’d never get rid of Don’t Start Now, Rockstar, Circles, Sweater Weather, Sunflower, When We Were Young, Blinding Lights, Save Your Tears, most of Ed Sheeran’s singles since Multiply, etc if the charts ever did extend to 200 and recurrent rules were no more. I would love this chart. …and any song would be allowed to hop back on the chart if/when holiday songs temporally knock them off. This would be great. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 16, 2021 13:44:49 GMT -5
Id argue recurrent rules for singles/songs charts like the Hot 100 are passé anyway. They make sense for radio charts because songs on radio have pretty defined phases of being new, then current, then recurrent, then gold. (Or dropped altogether). Songs like Levitating and Heat Waves are, for now, the exception, where they go back to previous phases depending on external factors.
For streaming (and charts that incorporate streaming like the Hot 100), songs aren’t limited to that trajectory anymore because of situations like older songs going viral or interest in them being generated among new audiences for the first time. Songs like “Dreams” by Fleetwood Mac, while decades old, are introduced to new people through means other than radio and record label pushes. For those people, the song is new and relevant to the current musical/pop culture landscape. Granted, Billboard let it chart again but it still had to surpass a certain point as a result of it not being a “current.” Situations like these are becoming more common and Billboard isn’t really being reflective of them.
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Post by sheardbeard on Dec 16, 2021 13:52:20 GMT -5
Id argue recurrent rules for singles/songs charts like the Hot 100 are passé anyway. They make sense for radio charts because songs on radio have pretty defined phases of being new, then current, then recurrent, then gold. (Or dropped altogether). Songs like Levitating and Heat Waves are, for now, the exception, where they go back to previous phases depending on external factors. For streaming (and charts that incorporate streaming like the Hot 100), songs aren’t limited to that trajectory anymore because of situations like older songs going viral or interest in them being generated among new audiences for the first time. Songs like “Dreams” by Fleetwood Mac, while decades old, are introduced to new people through means other than radio and record label pushes. For those people, the song is new and relevant to the current musical/pop culture landscape. Granted, Billboard let it chart again but it still had to surpass a certain point as a result of it not being a “current.” Situations like these are becoming more common and Billboard isn’t really being reflective of them. This is beautifully articulated— I am in 1000% agreement with you. So much better than me throughout this thread just saying “recurrent rules are dumb”. |
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JukeboxJacob
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 16, 2021 18:25:30 GMT -5
recurrency rules are unintelligent
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Post by Choco on Dec 16, 2021 18:26:50 GMT -5
I understand why some would like a Billboard Hot 200, but to be honest right now I can hardly muster any exciment for songs that are at like #89, let alone tracking whether "Shape of You" is #181 or #183 this week.
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 16, 2021 20:13:33 GMT -5
If you're a fan of catalog music like I am, it would be fun to cheer on a song by Journey or Queen or Fleetwood Mac that never leaves the chart, for example. More songs and the possibility of always coming back if something makes a song viral or current without any trouble means that there will be something for more fans to cheer on.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 16, 2021 20:46:37 GMT -5
^That's one reason I really looked forward to the Global 200 and Global 200 excl. US weekly charts.
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