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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 4, 2022 14:37:12 GMT -5
And to be clear I'm not saying that as a dismissal of Drake's achievements, as people often do on here. His stats are just as impressive to me for this era as the Beatles and MJ and the Bee Gees and Mariah's were in theirs. Whatever the times were like these acts each dominated the landscape like no one else around them. I agree with this, and it was more of my point; I think at this point it's hard to compare records across generations/decades, but records can still be impressive within the context of their eras. The Beatles getting 20 #1s within such a short time period was impressive and something no one else did, but it's also something that can't really be done now since singles stay on the charts for long. The converse of that is songs have longer runs at #1 now, but since so few artists have multiple singles with long chart runs, what Drake and Mariah have done is still impressive. I just see their achievement in context of the 1990s to now more than pre-Soundscan. |
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Post by sheardbeard on Jan 4, 2022 14:49:55 GMT -5
Debuts this week: #79 V - Christmas Tree I know it has “Christmas” in the title, and it was released in December, so this may be a dumb question but… is this song considered a holiday song? I ask because I made a personal playlist of holiday songs that made the Hot 100 this season and I want know if I should include it. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jan 4, 2022 15:21:41 GMT -5
Definitely disappointed to see Christmas songs STILL dominating
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Post by 85la on Jan 4, 2022 15:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know how or why Billboard would put that genie back in the bottle without the entire industry on board demanding it. Because for basically 50 years of the Hot 100's existence, that was pretty much their policy. Not like not allowing most Christmas to chart wasn't standard practice before. And presumably because the songs just reflect seasonal/routine popularity over the years, and less "newer, fresher, and of the moment" popularity, which is what the Hot 100 is mainly designed to capture. Although I will say, if these songs were allowed to chart in years past, they probably wouldn't have charted as highly as now, because the streaming of course didn't exist, the sales weren't there, and even airplay was probably lower, so the popularity they exhibit now through all the available metrics, in which they literally take up the #1 position and most of the top ten, creates a higher burden of logic to advocate for their removal. Yet at the same time, I as well am getting bored with them and it does seem a bit inauthentic and even unfair that they can just so easily score these weeks each year by default. But it's really tough to decide, because the consumption numbers are there, and mostly by consumer choice it seems with the streaming, so it does seem to be what the public wants and is listening to, so I'm just very ambivalent about the situation and just forcing myself to accept what is. I think it's also obvious that if it weren't Mariah topping the chart each year, a lot of us would have very, very different opinions about it (including myself, as I'm also a fan and can admit I'm not immune from this bias). |
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Post by kindofbiased on Jan 4, 2022 15:52:24 GMT -5
Honestly was expecting We Don't Talk About Bruno to be a bit higher :/ eh whatever it's gonna rise a ton next week (before probably being pushed back again by The Weeknd lmao)
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jan 4, 2022 16:03:17 GMT -5
It looks like Levitating and Essence didn’t return.
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 4, 2022 16:04:34 GMT -5
Nothing is more impressive than Boyz to Men having 3 different songs that topped the Hot 100 for over 13 weeks.
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Post by gikem on Jan 4, 2022 16:10:06 GMT -5
It looks like Levitating and Essence didn’t return. Maybe they did but Billboard chose not to announce it. If not, then it wouldn't surprise me if they both return next week, especially Levitating with its recent sales and radio gains. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Jan 4, 2022 16:17:59 GMT -5
Nothing is more impressive than Boyz to Men having 3 different songs that topped the Hot 100 for over 13 weeks. It must've been wild in the 90s to go from a format where no song had ever lasted for more than 10 weeks at #1 to a format where one group could do it 3 times in just over 3 years |
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Post by waluigionascooter on Jan 4, 2022 16:38:12 GMT -5
Nothing is more impressive than Boyz to Men having 3 different songs that topped the Hot 100 for over 13 weeks. The first one set a new record, The second one tied the then record, The third one set another new record. |
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Post by joshtheking on Jan 4, 2022 16:40:58 GMT -5
People do tend to forget how massive Boys II Men were throughout the 90's
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 4, 2022 16:59:07 GMT -5
Nothing is more impressive than Boyz to Men having 3 different songs that topped the Hot 100 for over 13 weeks. The first one set a new record, The second one tied the then record, The third one set another new record. Whitney, I Will Always Love You, had the record before End of the Road got 13 weeks at #1? |
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Post by Gary on Jan 4, 2022 17:07:26 GMT -5
The first one set a new record, The second one tied the then record, The third one set another new record. Whitney, I Will Always Love You, had the record before End of the Road got 13 weeks at #1? nope End of the Road came first |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jan 4, 2022 17:09:39 GMT -5
It looks like Levitating and Essence didn’t return. Maybe they did but Billboard chose not to announce it. If not, then it wouldn't surprise me if they both return next week, especially Levitating with its recent sales and radio gains. There are people who would be able to check the song history before the full chart is revealed, no? |
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Post by smiley22 on Jan 4, 2022 17:13:57 GMT -5
There’s only 1 song dominating and she’s the Queen of the charts. What’s your solution though. You can’t exclude one of the most popular songs of all time. only one song? I see 6 Xmas songs in the top 10 this week. Being in the top 10 is not dominating. Being #1 across four years is dominating. We’re only talking about Mariah and if you look at the billboard Twitter, the Mariah tweets garner way more attention then anyone else and it’s not even close. This is the fairest formula they could have because the rules are the SAME for everyone. If you exclude Mariah when she would have more points would make a mockery of the charts. No single artist has done more to promote the Hot 100 than her. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 4, 2022 17:17:41 GMT -5
Evolution of the record
Pre - 1958
11 weeks Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog
10 weeks - Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell
10 Weeks - Cherry Pink & Apple Blosson White - Perez Prado
Hot 100 - only
2 weeks Poor Little Fool (1958)
5 weeks Nel Blu DiPinto Di Blu -- August 1958
6 Weeks It's All In The Game -- September 1958
(tied) June 1959 Battle Of New Orleans (6 weeks)
9 weeks Mack The Knife (October 1959)
tied -- Theme From A Summer Place and Hey Jude
10 weeks You Light Up My Life (October 1977)
tied - Physical
13 weeks End Of The Road August 1992
14 weeks I will Always Love You November 1992
tied - I'll Make Love To You
16 weeks One Sweet Day Dec. 1995
19 weeks Old Town Road April 2019
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 4, 2022 17:25:20 GMT -5
Evolution of the record Pre - 1958 11 weeks Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog 10 weeks - Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell 10 Weeks - Cherry Pink & Apple Blosson White - Perez Prado Hot 100 - only 2 weeks Poor Little Fool (1958) 5 weeks Nel Blu DiPinto Di Blu -- August 1958 6 Weeks It's All In The Game -- September 1958 (tied) June 1959 Battle Of New Orleans (6 weeks) 9 weeks Mack The Knife (October 1959) tied -- Theme From A Summer Place and Hey Jude 10 weeks You Light Up My Life (October 1977) tied - Physical 13 weeks End Of The Road August 1992 14 weeks I will Always Love You November 1992 tied - I'll Make Love To You 16 weeks One Sweet Day Dec. 1995 19 weeks Old Town Road April 2019 You forgot Despacito. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jan 4, 2022 17:54:31 GMT -5
Evolution of the record: "" You forgot Despacito. I was so mad when Taylor took that 17th week lol |
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Post by Gary on Jan 4, 2022 18:09:56 GMT -5
Evolution of the record
Pre - 1958
13 - Goodnight Irene - Gordon Jenkins
12 - I'll Never Smile Again - Tommy Dorsey/ Frank Sinatra
12 - Heartaches - Ted Weems
12 - I've heard That Song Before - Harry James
12 - Near You - Francis Craig (was on top of one of the main charts for 18 weeks - 12 is for Best Sellers)
11 - White Christmas - Bing Crosby
11 - The Third Man Theme - Anton Karas
11 - Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog
11 - Ghost Riders In The Sky - Vaughn Monroe
10 weeks - Singing The Blues - Guy Mitchell
10 Weeks - Cherry Pink & Apple Blosson White - Perez Prado
10 weeks - Moulin Rouge - Percy Faith
10 weeks - Cry - Johnnie Ray
10 weeks - Gypsy - Ink Spots
Hot 100 - only
2 weeks Poor Little Fool (1958)
5 weeks Nel Blu DiPinto Di Blu -- August 1958
6 Weeks It's All In The Game -- September 1958
(tied) June 1959 Battle Of New Orleans (6 weeks)
9 weeks Mack The Knife (October 1959)
(tied )-- Theme From A Summer Place and Hey Jude
10 weeks You Light Up My Life (October 1977)
(tied) - Physical
13 weeks End Of The Road August 1992
14 weeks I will Always Love You November 1992
(tied) - I'll Make Love To You
16 weeks One Sweet Day Dec. 1995
(tied) Despacito
19 weeks Old Town Road April 2019
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 4, 2022 18:35:00 GMT -5
There’s no point in putting the ties like I’ll Male Love To You or Despacito etc, as they didn’t get to that benchmark first.
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Post by iHype. on Jan 4, 2022 18:49:31 GMT -5
There’s no point in putting the ties like I’ll Male Love To You or Despacito etc, as they didn’t get to that benchmark first. It's about which songs had the most weeks #1, not which songs broke the record first. If a new song gets 19 weeks #1 this year it would join Old Town Road as having the most weeks #1 regardless of not doing it first. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 4, 2022 19:00:26 GMT -5
There’s no point in putting the ties like I’ll Male Love To You or Despacito etc, as they didn’t get to that benchmark first. It's about which songs had the most weeks #1, not which songs broke the record first. If a new song gets 19 weeks #1 this year it would join Old Town Road as having the most weeks #1 regardless of not doing it first. It’s about the “evolution of the record”. For example, Despacito didn’t add anything to it other than tie it. OTR however, did, because it broke the record. And of it’s that way you’re saying it, where are the rest of the songs that made 14 weeks at #1, for example, the Macarena, We Belong Together, I Gotta A Feeling, etc? |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jan 4, 2022 19:02:36 GMT -5
If all the songs that had two or more weeks at #1 were included (see the beginning of the list) it would be an exceedingly long list.
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Post by iHype. on Jan 4, 2022 19:06:51 GMT -5
It's about which songs had the most weeks #1, not which songs broke the record first. If a new song gets 19 weeks #1 this year it would join Old Town Road as having the most weeks #1 regardless of not doing it first. It’s about the “evolution of the record”. For example, Despacito didn’t add anything to it other than tie it. OTR however, did, because it broke the record. And of it’s that way you’re saying it, where are the rest of the songs that made 14 weeks at #1, for example, the Macarena, We Belong Together, I Gotta A Feeling, etc? Despacito also hitting the record for most weeks #1 ever at the time, is an evolution of the record.... Macarena, We Belong Together, and I Gotta Feeling did not reach the record for most weeks at #1 at the time so thus they would not be an evolution of the record. They were second place. The second most weeks at #1 at the time. Despacito was not the "second" longest running #1 hit just because it hit 16 weeks after another song. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 4, 2022 19:09:01 GMT -5
Why are people complaining about the presence of more information? It’s the “evolution of the record,” whether you think the tying songs belong or not, it doesn’t hurt to have them there for additional information. There really isn’t a need to nitpick every single little detail…
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 4, 2022 19:16:43 GMT -5
Why are people complaining about the presence of more information? It’s the “evolution of the record,” whether you think the tying songs belong or not, it doesn’t hurt to have them there for additional information. There really isn’t a need to nitpick every single little detail… To spice things up  Thanks iHype. for the explanation. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 4, 2022 19:40:00 GMT -5
Nothing is more impressive than Boyz to Men having 3 different songs that topped the Hot 100 for over 13 weeks. In a 3-4 year period no less! That's why I had that thread about their quick downfall. What they did from 1991-1996 is incredible. |
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Post by cking33 on Jan 4, 2022 19:40:26 GMT -5
Do we know how close this was between Mariah and Adele? I got the stats from Talk of the Charts, but I don't know how to convert these into chart points. Can anyone do the math?
Here was Mariah:
4,900 sales (-39%)
35.4 million streams (-25%)
16.5 million airplay (-49%)
Here was Adele:
9,100 sales (+5%)
15.2 million streams (-10%)
94 million airplay (+7%)
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Post by Abbaschand on Jan 4, 2022 20:22:11 GMT -5
Mission failed...for now.
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Post by gikem on Jan 4, 2022 20:31:01 GMT -5
TOTC also says Essence has re-entered. The only surprise here is Billboard forgetting to announce it today.
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