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Post by brady47 on Mar 19, 2022 12:39:11 GMT -5
Highlights:- The turnover for #1 was becoming a revolving door. It wasn't until June that a 2007 #1 hit 3 weeks #1. - The Hot 100 became more and more closer to a sales-dominated chart with the current formula. It got to the point where the chart was nearly 75% sales and 25% airplay, causing a formula change in the middle of the year. - With the formula change sales points were reduced in half, going back to the divider they had pre-2005. This also helped reduce the growing turnover at the top. - Similar to the streaming era introducing new chart-staples, digital era had began introducing its chart-staples/beneficiaries. It seemed every few months a new Timberlake/Nelly Furtado/Fergie/Rihanna/Timbaland single was topping the charts. - Billboard began experimenting with music streaming for the first time and added AOL/Yahoo! Music streams in the Hot 100, which for some reason, many people aren't aware of. - Streaming was only supposed to be 5% of the overall chart, thus it really only helped when positions were close. The #1 song usually got 10-20 points from streams. @ihype this is amazing thank you! Any chance you know how many points "Fergalicious" had the week it was blocked at #1 by Bey's "Irreplaceable"? Shocked Bey had like 700k+ points that week alone omg And not "Say It Right" being the weakest #1 of the year - still made top 10 year end though, it definitely got lucky sneaking a week at #1!
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Post by brady47 on Mar 19, 2022 12:40:02 GMT -5
Whoever said BGDC wasn’t huge must’ve been asleep during the Summer of 2007. It was well received from the second it was sent to radio that May, and despite not being as prolific as “Umbrella” the song coasted through the entire summer basically being one of the biggest hits of the season, until finally reaching #1 in September which felt like was well after its peak. Comparing its run to all the other singles Fergie released, it’s unmatched. This! It spent like 3 months in the top 4 before it finally went #1, and spent 18 weeks in the top 5 alone and 21 weeks in the top 10 which was huge for 2006-2007
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Post by brady47 on Mar 19, 2022 12:50:09 GMT -5
Maybe Bad Romance will be #1 too. "Bad Romance" was #2 behind "Empire State of Mind." "Empire" had a huge lead in airplay at that time, and was top 4 in sales. So, "BR" might have needed a huge lead in video streams to be #1. Maybe someone with real numbers can tell us how close it was for #1. The week "Bad Romance" was closest to #1 was in Christmas 2009- ironically it dropped from #2 to #3 that week (the top 3 was super competitive) - but Bad Romance was the most downloaded song of the week and only ~ 3000 digital sales from the #1 spot! December 26, 2009 - Hot 100 1. Empire State of Mind: 261771 points (137k sales, 125k airplay) 2. Tik Tok: 259047 points (182k sales, 74.4k airplay) 3. Bad Romance: 258547 points (183k sales, 76k airplay) You might notice that BR is below Tik Tok despite being bigger in airplay & sales: streaming (AOL/Yahoo Music) which only made up ~5% of the chart at that time pushed Tik Tok to #2 because they basically had the same stats in sales/airplay. Billboard posted an article about that here: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/266356/ask-billboard-how-tik-tok-winds-up-at-no-2 It ended up peaking at #2 for 7 weeks, initially blocked by "Empire State of Mind" and later blocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok"
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 19, 2022 13:07:31 GMT -5
"Bad Romance" was #2 behind "Empire State of Mind." "Empire" had a huge lead in airplay at that time, and was top 4 in sales. So, "BR" might have needed a huge lead in video streams to be #1. Maybe someone with real numbers can tell us how close it was for #1. The week "Bad Romance" was closest to #1 was in Christmas 2009- ironically it dropped from #2 to #3 that week (the top 3 was super competitive) - but Bad Romance was the most downloaded song of the week and only ~ 3000 digital sales from the #1 spot! December 26, 2009 - Hot 100 1. Empire State of Mind: 261771 points (137k sales, 125k airplay) 2. Tik Tok: 259047 points (182k sales, 74.4k airplay) 3. Bad Romance: 258547 points (183k sales, 76k airplay) You might notice that BR is below Tik Tok despite being bigger in airplay & sales: streaming (AOL/Yahoo Music) which only made up ~5% of the chart at that time pushed Tik Tok to #2 because they basically had the same stats in sales/airplay. Billboard posted an article about that here: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/266356/ask-billboard-how-tik-tok-winds-up-at-no-2 It ended up peaking at #2 for 7 weeks, initially blocked by "Empire State of Mind" and later blocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok" Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway.
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Post by brady47 on Mar 19, 2022 13:09:22 GMT -5
I wonder how close Missy's "Work It" was in those 10 weeks it was stuck at #2 behind Eminem's "Lose Yourself"
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Post by brady47 on Mar 19, 2022 13:12:06 GMT -5
The week "Bad Romance" was closest to #1 was in Christmas 2009- ironically it dropped from #2 to #3 that week (the top 3 was super competitive) - but Bad Romance was the most downloaded song of the week and only ~ 3000 digital sales from the #1 spot! December 26, 2009 - Hot 100 1. Empire State of Mind: 261771 points (137k sales, 125k airplay) 2. Tik Tok: 259047 points (182k sales, 74.4k airplay) 3. Bad Romance: 258547 points (183k sales, 76k airplay) You might notice that BR is below Tik Tok despite being bigger in airplay & sales: streaming (AOL/Yahoo Music) which only made up ~5% of the chart at that time pushed Tik Tok to #2 because they basically had the same stats in sales/airplay. Billboard posted an article about that here: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/266356/ask-billboard-how-tik-tok-winds-up-at-no-2 It ended up peaking at #2 for 7 weeks, initially blocked by "Empire State of Mind" and later blocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok" Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway. Yes although BR was the #1 on sales that week - if it just had 3.2k more sales, it would've snatched #1 (this is probably the closest top 3 in Hot 100 history in terms of points)
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 19, 2022 13:16:01 GMT -5
Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway. Yes although BR was the #1 on sales that week - if it just had 3.2k more sales, it would've snatched #1 (this is probably the closest top 3 in Hot 100 history in terms of points) Sure, but you could also say if "Tik Tok" had 2k more sales (or whatever) it would have been #1.
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 19, 2022 13:40:42 GMT -5
I wonder how close Missy's "Work It" was in those 10 weeks it was stuck at #2 behind Eminem's "Lose Yourself" Same, I too wonder the same thing.
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Post by 85la on Mar 19, 2022 21:17:24 GMT -5
The week "Bad Romance" was closest to #1 was in Christmas 2009- ironically it dropped from #2 to #3 that week (the top 3 was super competitive) - but Bad Romance was the most downloaded song of the week and only ~ 3000 digital sales from the #1 spot! December 26, 2009 - Hot 100 1. Empire State of Mind: 261771 points (137k sales, 125k airplay) 2. Tik Tok: 259047 points (182k sales, 74.4k airplay) 3. Bad Romance: 258547 points (183k sales, 76k airplay) You might notice that BR is below Tik Tok despite being bigger in airplay & sales: streaming (AOL/Yahoo Music) which only made up ~5% of the chart at that time pushed Tik Tok to #2 because they basically had the same stats in sales/airplay. Billboard posted an article about that here: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/266356/ask-billboard-how-tik-tok-winds-up-at-no-2 It ended up peaking at #2 for 7 weeks, initially blocked by "Empire State of Mind" and later blocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok" Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway. And this was just from AOL and Yahoo video (and audio) streams, but if YouTube (plus other video and audio streaming services that were available at the time, such as Rhapsody) counted towards the charts, Bad Romance could have possibly led, if not this particular week, then another one close by, because Bad Romance currently has more than twice as many views than Tik Tok on YouTube (1.53 billion vs. 610 million), and additionally, it would be reasonable to assume BR was slightly more front-loaded than Tik Tok right when they were released due to Lady Gaga being more well-known at the time.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 20, 2022 5:49:48 GMT -5
Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway. And this was just from AOL and Yahoo video (and audio) streams, but if YouTube (plus other video and audio streaming services that were available at the time, such as Rhapsody) counted towards the charts, Bad Romance could have possibly led, if not this particular week, then another one close by, because Bad Romance currently has more than twice as many views than Tik Tok on YouTube (1.53 billion vs. 610 million), and additionally, it would be reasonable to assume BR was slightly more front-loaded than Tik Tok right when they were released due to Lady Gaga being more well-known at the time. Those are of course assumptions. I am looking at the Yahoo Video chart for 12/12/09, and "Bad Romance" was #12. Jason Derulo was #1. For the Yahoo music video chart for 1/9/10 "Tik Tok" was #1 while "Bad Romance" was #4 ("Empire State of Mine" was #3). Yahoo obviously isn't YouTube, but I don't see where we can assume "BR" was getting more overall video streams at the time. Current YT totals are irrelevant because "BR" could just have more views in the last 5-10 years.
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Post by 85la on Mar 20, 2022 15:22:19 GMT -5
^ Well, you're right it's just an assumption, but YouTube is obviously a much bigger video streaming platform than Yahoo Video ever was, even back in 2009 (it shows that Tik Tok was uploaded Nov 14 and BR Nov 24 of that year), and with the large margin BR currently has, I just don't see it very likely that those margins were reversed in those early days (According to Kworb, BR had 33 million views in 2009, which would have been those last 5 weeks of that year; couldn't find Tik Tok's early numbers because it's not listed in Kworb's current top 500), although as those Yahoo video rankings show, I guess it's possible. That's surprising it lagged so far behind there, it definitely seemed like the biggest video and possibly the biggest pop culture event at that time.
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 21, 2022 8:43:29 GMT -5
After every #1 breakdown is completed, I wonder if we could get a #2 breakdown because there are so many iconic songs that peaked at #2 such as Work It, Survivor, 1 2 Step, Oh, Since U Been Gone, Pon De Replay, Don't Cha, Shake It Off, Fergalicious, He Wasn't Man Enough, Complicated, I Need A Girl, Gangsta Lovin, Let Me Blow Ya Mind etc...
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 21, 2022 13:13:56 GMT -5
I wonder how close Missy's "Work It" was in those 10 weeks it was stuck at #2 behind Eminem's "Lose Yourself" Same, I too wonder the same thing. The Billboard issues from the end of 2002 aren't any help. Some of them give the impressions totals for "Lose Yourself," but only give the R&B impressions totals for "Work It." November 23, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 143.8 million impressions; "Work It" 72.5 million impressions R&B Singles December 7, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 159.1 million impressions; "Work It" 75.4 million impressions which was R&B record to that point December 21, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 155.7 million impressions and a gain of 450 copies sold for a 12" vinyl single (rose 55-21 sales; actual sales total not reported) By the way in the December 21, 2002 issue "Cry Me A River" debuted at #44 on the Hot 100 with 29.6 million impressions. Where would that get a song in 2022?
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 21, 2022 13:30:03 GMT -5
Same, I too wonder the same thing. The Billboard issues from the end of 2002 aren't any help. Some of them give the impressions totals for "Lose Yourself," but only give the R&B impressions totals for "Work It." November 23, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 143.8 million impressions; "Work It" 72.5 million impressions R&B Singles December 7, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 159.1 million impressions; "Work It" 75.4 million impressions which was R&B record to that point December 21, 2002 - "Lose It" #1 with 155.7 million impressions and a gain of 450 copies sold for a 12" vinyl single (rose 55-21 sales; actual sales total not reported) By the way in the December 21, 2002 issue "Cry Me A River" debuted at #44 on the Hot 100 with 29.6 million impressions. Where would that get a song in 2022? Out of all the songs Work It broke the R&B record...who had it before her and who broke it after her although I have an idea... CMAR, today, would probably have a top ten debut depending on sales and streams. Just based on radio i'd say top ten.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 21, 2022 13:38:53 GMT -5
Out of all the songs Work It broke the R&B record...who had it before her and who broke it after her although I have an idea... Ashanti "Foolish" had held it. Of course, that time period is also when R&B/hip-hop were at peak. The impressions those songs had at that time from the formats used is not possible now. In a general sense, yes. I was more so wondering where 29.6 million impressions would get a song on Radio Songs in 2022. I think it would be in the teens. At that time in 2002, it was around #40. What a difference.
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 21, 2022 13:41:04 GMT -5
Wow! R&B used to be so huge you could literally get about almost 80M in impressions now it has drastically drop, and I do mean drastically.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 21, 2022 13:44:31 GMT -5
Wow! R&B used to be so huge you could literally get about almost 80M in impressions now it has drastically drop, and I do mean drastically. Yes. I'd imagine the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay at that time included the Urban and Urban AC formats, and then perhaps some or a lot of Rhythmic stations. Even if a song topped all 3 of those formats at the same time in 2022, it probably wouldn't clear 40 million impressions in terms of Billboard. That is definitely a huge drop, and it still might even be more stations than Billboard used in 2002.
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Post by Private Dancer on Mar 21, 2022 13:54:35 GMT -5
I missed those days when you could turn on R&B and pop radio, and they would play the same songs. I also miss those days when multiple black artists were getting number ones/hits. A time I do not think we will ever get again.
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Post by million on Mar 21, 2022 16:52:50 GMT -5
The week "Bad Romance" was closest to #1 was in Christmas 2009- ironically it dropped from #2 to #3 that week (the top 3 was super competitive) - but Bad Romance was the most downloaded song of the week and only ~ 3000 digital sales from the #1 spot! December 26, 2009 - Hot 100 1. Empire State of Mind: 261771 points (137k sales, 125k airplay) 2. Tik Tok: 259047 points (182k sales, 74.4k airplay) 3. Bad Romance: 258547 points (183k sales, 76k airplay) You might notice that BR is below Tik Tok despite being bigger in airplay & sales: streaming (AOL/Yahoo Music) which only made up ~5% of the chart at that time pushed Tik Tok to #2 because they basically had the same stats in sales/airplay. Billboard posted an article about that here: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/266356/ask-billboard-how-tik-tok-winds-up-at-no-2 It ended up peaking at #2 for 7 weeks, initially blocked by "Empire State of Mind" and later blocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok" Interesting. So "Tik Tok" potentially had more video streams and would have kept "BR" from #1 anyway. Not with Youtube added, which is the point here. If Youtube had been a component metric of the Hot 100 at the time, Bad Romance would have been #1 for MONTHS Bad Romance views on Youtube in 2010: 266.2M TiK ToK views on YouTube in 2010: 32.6M Remember that Bad Romance was the first video to hit 200M on Youtube… pulse2.com/bad-romance-by-lady-gaga-becomes-first-youtube-video-to-hit-200-million-views/Also, Alejandro would have been Top 3, Judas would have been Top 5 and Marry The Night would have been Top 10 hits.
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Post by lugus15 on Mar 26, 2022 0:31:22 GMT -5
Does anybody know with how much AI Erotica debuted at #2 back in 1992?
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 3, 2022 6:10:33 GMT -5
Does anybody know with how much AI Erotica debuted at #2 back in 1992? Billboard did not report its impressions total in that issue (October 17, 1992). In general they did not give impressions data back then.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 8, 2022 1:11:51 GMT -5
2009?
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 12, 2022 12:32:16 GMT -5
Does not look like 2009 is coming. So anyways...can someone explain how Glamorous was #9, then dipped to #55 then to #8?
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 12, 2022 13:40:42 GMT -5
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 12, 2022 13:54:46 GMT -5
It's weird how 2004 didn't have a single strong #1 hit. Would have thought that Yeah would have had some killer weeks Because the 2004 Hot 100 was essentially just the radio. Physical singles were dead, and while digital singles had been introduced, they weren’t included in the Hot 100 yet. I’d love to see what the Hot 100 would have looked like if digital sales had been included; especially since I know Yeah and Hey Ya topped the 1 million mark. At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs I have a feeling Gwen's "What You Waiting For" would have charted higher if digital downloads were included in 2004?
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 12, 2022 13:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 12, 2022 14:22:00 GMT -5
Did a quick Spotify search and the most "forgotten" #1's in terms of Spotify streams are: This Is the Night - 384k (lmao) Inside Your Heaven - 3m I Believe - 5m Doesn't Really Matter - 8m Bent - 27m Don't Forget About Us - 32m Thank God I Found You - 35m Stand Up - 39m This Is Why I'm Hot - 39m Incomplete - 42m Be with You - 45m Do I Make You Proud isn't on Spotify. Do I Make You Proud has 2.3 million plays on Spotify omg, the gray hair was iconic too. The only American Idol contestant who had natural gray hair, I think (the age limit was 28 lol) - and also still the oldest winner at 29, if I'm not mistaken "His hair started turning gray by the time he was 14" interesting. was Do I Make You Proud the last song with considerable physical sales? I don't think David Cook's Idol song the following year was released to physical
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 12, 2022 14:30:34 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it It would have really helped Rih's Man Down and Avril's Goodbye Lullaby era (esp Wish You Were Here)
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 12, 2022 18:24:30 GMT -5
Are we not getting 2009? The rise of the Pop Titans like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Justin Beiber.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 12, 2022 18:34:07 GMT -5
Are we not getting 2009? The rise of the Pop Titans like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Justin Beiber. Unfortunely I do not think so...
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