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Post by Future Captain on Apr 27, 2022 12:06:30 GMT -5
I was curious about how close You Belong With Me from #1 when it got blocked by I Gotta Feeling and apparently its not even close lol (almost/over 100 points difference). Also, cmiiw but I think in Down's first week at #1, the gap within the top 5 is really small where almost any song in it could have been #1 with just a few thousand more sales.
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Post by 85la on Apr 27, 2022 12:09:34 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many relatively weak weeks in the back half of 2009, including when "I Gotta Feeling" was #1. I followed the sales trends closely back then and I think that was probably because digital sales started to decline (or at least the growth rate rapidly slowed down) in the latter part of 2009 and into early 2010 due to iTunes introducing their first price increase ever for most songs, from 99 cents to $1.29, coupled with (and this is just speculative) the economy doing poorly around that time and people not willing to spend as much on music. Actually in the first few months of 2010, I remember digital sales were down a few percent from 2009 year to date (though the year ended with an overall 1% increase, probably due to people getting used to the new price point, as well as a stronger release schedule/bigger hits). I also noticed, as iHype mentioned, that late 2009 had quite a few weeks where the Hot 100 #1 wasn't #1 on digital, many of them being only in the #3-#6 range, so it might have just been by chance that the digital #1s didn't align with the highest airplay. But yeah I remember early 2009 had some very strong weeks, especially Flo Rida's Right Round, and I was quite surprised to see him hold the record for highest opening digital sales week by far, with 636k, not to be broken until over 6 years later when Adele opened with over a million with Hello. All of Right Round's weeks at #1, especially its first 4, were extremely strong, so it was somewhat surprising to see it on the year-end at only #6, but I guess it lacked somewhat in longevity after its #1 run.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 27, 2022 12:43:12 GMT -5
Can't believe that Poker Face almost miss the top.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2022 13:29:15 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many relatively weak weeks in the back half of 2009, including when "I Gotta Feeling" was #1. I followed the sales trends closely back then and I think that was probably because digital sales started to decline (or at least the growth rate rapidly slowed down) in the latter part of 2009 and into early 2010 due to iTunes introducing their first price increase ever for most songs, from 99 cents to $1.29, coupled with (and this is just speculative) the economy doing poorly around that time and people not willing to spend as much on music. Actually in the first few months of 2010, I remember digital sales were down a few percent from 2009 year to date (though the year ended with an overall 1% increase, probably due to people getting used to the new price point, as well as a stronger release schedule/bigger hits). I also noticed, as iHype mentioned, that late 2009 had quite a few weeks where the Hot 100 #1 wasn't #1 on digital, many of them being only in the #3-#6 range, so it might have just been by chance that the digital #1s didn't align with the highest airplay. But yeah I remember early 2009 had some very strong weeks, especially Flo Rida's Right Round, and I was quite surprised to see him hold the record for highest opening digital sales week by far, with 636k, not to be broken until over 6 years later when Adele opened with over a million with Hello. All of Right Round's weeks at #1, especially its first 4, were extremely strong, so it was somewhat surprising to see it on the year-end at only #6, but I guess it lacked somewhat in longevity after its #1 run. Yeah "RR" hit #1 in its third week and was off the chart around week 25. "BBP" got over 30 weeks on the Hot 100. "Poker Face" got around 40 weeks. "Love Story" got 40-50 weeks.
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 27, 2022 13:38:57 GMT -5
not Whatcha Say hitting #1 despite being outside the top 3 in both sales and radio that week
(a Say It Right tea)
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 27, 2022 16:08:00 GMT -5
Now in restrospect 2009 was not a good year for music...glad Poker Face got to notch at least a week @ #1
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Post by 85la on Apr 27, 2022 17:21:16 GMT -5
Now in restrospect 2009 was not a good year for music...glad Poker Face got to notch at least a week @ #1 I actually think it was a pretty interesting and well-balanced year, in terms of a good mix of long-running and short-running #1s, as well as interesting records being broken. It got a little boring to see the BEP's dominate for so long, but what they did was still monumental, topping the chart for 26 consecutive weeks, making them one of only three artists I believe to top the chart for at least half a year within one calendar year (the other two being Usher in 2004 with 28 weeks, and Drake in 2018 with 29 weeks). After their lengthy run, it was a nice break to see the quick succession and musical chairs of #1s, with Down and Fireflies each reigning for two weeks but both being interrupted for a week by two other songs (3 interrupting the former and Whatcha Say the latter). And then early in the year it was cool to see the rush of big jumps to #1 with huge numbers by some unexpected artists and some who hadn't hit #1 in a while, including Kelly Clarkson, Eminem, and Flo Rida, and then we also had Lady Gaga notching her first two #1s, which were also her first two charting hits and to this day still her two biggest hits chart-wise.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 27, 2022 18:09:37 GMT -5
Now in restrospect 2009 was not a good year for music...glad Poker Face got to notch at least a week @ #1 There's a couple classics like Day n Night and Just Dance (which is still a club staple), but yeah a lot of it is forgettable dance tracks and middling hip-hop.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2022 18:10:23 GMT -5
Now in restrospect 2009 was not a good year for music...glad Poker Face got to notch at least a week @ #1 I actually think it was a pretty interesting and well-balanced year, in terms of a good mix of long-running and short-running #1s, as well as interesting records being broken. It got a little boring to see the BEP's dominate for so long, but what they did was still monumental, topping the chart for 26 consecutive weeks, making them one of only three artists I believe to top the chart for at least half a year within one calendar year (the other two being Usher in 2004 with 28 weeks, and Drake in 2018 with 29 weeks). After their lengthy run, it was a nice break to see the quick succession and musical chairs of #1s, with Down and Fireflies each reigning for two weeks but both being interrupted for a week by two other songs (3 interrupting the former and Whatcha Say the latter). And then early in the year it was cool to see the rush of big jumps to #1 with huge numbers by some unexpected artists and some who hadn't hit #1 in a while, including Kelly Clarkson, Eminem, and Flo Rida, and then we also had Lady Gaga notching her first two #1s, which were also her first two charting hits and to this day still her two biggest hits chart-wise. ITA those are interesting chart things, but in terms of the actual music (which is what I think Private Dancer meant) personally I find these #1s blah on the whole. The only #1 of 2009 I really love is "Poker Face." I like 1-2 more.
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Post by mikerivera on Apr 27, 2022 18:15:26 GMT -5
This is gonna sound like a contradiction, but 2009 was bipolar without being extreme. So many songs were either an 8/10 or a 2/10. I guess that’s what happens when virtually every song was made to be played in the club
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Post by 85la on Apr 27, 2022 18:40:50 GMT -5
I actually think it was a pretty interesting and well-balanced year, in terms of a good mix of long-running and short-running #1s, as well as interesting records being broken. It got a little boring to see the BEP's dominate for so long, but what they did was still monumental, topping the chart for 26 consecutive weeks, making them one of only three artists I believe to top the chart for at least half a year within one calendar year (the other two being Usher in 2004 with 28 weeks, and Drake in 2018 with 29 weeks). After their lengthy run, it was a nice break to see the quick succession and musical chairs of #1s, with Down and Fireflies each reigning for two weeks but both being interrupted for a week by two other songs (3 interrupting the former and Whatcha Say the latter). And then early in the year it was cool to see the rush of big jumps to #1 with huge numbers by some unexpected artists and some who hadn't hit #1 in a while, including Kelly Clarkson, Eminem, and Flo Rida, and then we also had Lady Gaga notching her first two #1s, which were also her first two charting hits and to this day still her two biggest hits chart-wise. ITA those are interesting chart things, but in terms of the actual music (which is what I think Private Dancer meant) personally I find these #1s blah on the whole. The only #1 of 2009 I really love is "Poker Face." I like 1-2 more. Fair enough, but one other very interesting chart stat I just remembered is that 3, as hard as it is to believe, was the first non-Idol #1 debut since the rule change way back in 1998 that allowed airplay-only songs to chart.
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Post by 85la on Apr 27, 2022 18:52:13 GMT -5
Now in restrospect 2009 was not a good year for music...glad Poker Face got to notch at least a week @ #1 There's a couple classics like Day n Night and Just Dance (which is still a club staple), but yeah a lot of it is forgettable dance tracks and middling hip-hop. This is gonna sound like a contradiction, but 2009 was bipolar without being extreme. So many songs were either an 8/10 or a 2/10. I guess that’s what happens when virtually every song was made to be played in the club I think 2009 (as well as 2008) was largely a transition year, where things were moving more away from the R&B/Hip-Hop and Pop/Rock domination of the 2000s to the more Dance Pop oeuvre that would completely take over the early 2010s. I think most of the music was still decent, but maybe the industry was going through somewhat of an identity crisis, trying to find itself and settle into a new status quo.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 27, 2022 19:18:29 GMT -5
What's with that Single ladies massive points during it's last run at number 1? Is AIWFCIY the Sales number 1 during that time?
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Post by leoapp on Apr 27, 2022 19:26:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Was Right Round deleted off itunes just a few days, before the tracking week ended? That's why, Poker Face luckily could top Hot 100?
Also, how close Party In The USA from no. 1?
Paparazzi did topped Hot 100 Airplay, right? But it missed top 5 Hot 100. Were her digital sales that bad?
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 27, 2022 19:42:25 GMT -5
I actually think it was a pretty interesting and well-balanced year, in terms of a good mix of long-running and short-running #1s, as well as interesting records being broken. It got a little boring to see the BEP's dominate for so long, but what they did was still monumental, topping the chart for 26 consecutive weeks, making them one of only three artists I believe to top the chart for at least half a year within one calendar year (the other two being Usher in 2004 with 28 weeks, and Drake in 2018 with 29 weeks). After their lengthy run, it was a nice break to see the quick succession and musical chairs of #1s, with Down and Fireflies each reigning for two weeks but both being interrupted for a week by two other songs (3 interrupting the former and Whatcha Say the latter). And then early in the year it was cool to see the rush of big jumps to #1 with huge numbers by some unexpected artists and some who hadn't hit #1 in a while, including Kelly Clarkson, Eminem, and Flo Rida, and then we also had Lady Gaga notching her first two #1s, which were also her first two charting hits and to this day still her two biggest hits chart-wise. ITA those are interesting chart things, but in terms of the actual music (which is what I think Private Dancer meant) personally I find these #1s blah on the whole. The only #1 of 2009 I really love is "Poker Face." I like 1-2 more. Your right, that's what I meant. Poker Face,Single Ladies, My Life Would Suck Without You, Down are very good. Just Dance is ok, but BBP and IGAF haven't aged well with me. Personally, one of the best songs of 2009 was Knock You Down.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2022 19:48:35 GMT -5
What's with that Single ladies massive points during it's last run at number 1? Wouldn't that week have been sales from Christmas when people used their iTunes gift cards?
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 27, 2022 21:43:09 GMT -5
What was #1 on sales/radio the week Single Ladies had 500+ points?
(Live Your Life on radio maybe?)
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 27, 2022 21:46:43 GMT -5
What was #1 on sales/radio the week Single Ladies had 500+ points? Live Your Life was #1 on radio not sure about Sales... I wanna say Just Dance but I could be wrong
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2022 21:56:50 GMT -5
What was #1 on sales/radio the week Single Ladies had 500+ points? (Live Your Life on radio maybe?) "Live Your Life" was #1 airplay, #5 sales "Just Dance" was #1 sales, #5 airplay
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Post by 85la on Apr 27, 2022 22:17:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Was Right Round deleted off itunes just a few days, before the tracking week ended? That's why, Poker Face luckily could top Hot 100? Also, how close Party In The USA from no. 1? Paparazzi did topped Hot 100 Airplay, right? But it missed top 5 Hot 100. Were her digital sales that bad? As for the question about Single Ladies high sales week, yes, that was the week after Christmas when sales were traditionally at their highest due to iTunes gift card redemptions. As for your other questions: No, Right Round wasn't deleted off iTunes. As shown, it's last week at #1 it had 224k in sales, and the next week it dipped to 185k, just below Gaga who edged him out with 206k, which was enough to beat him (even though she had slightly less airplay). Party in the U.S.A. was #2 for 3 weeks, its first two weeks on the chart (8/29 and 9/5), as well as 10/17, all weeks where it was #1 on digital sales, with between roughly 175k-225k. Its first two weeks it had nowhere near enough airplay to beat I Gotta Feeling, however its third week at #2 it came pretty close, where it had rose to #9 in airplay, but ultimately fell just short of Down. As for Paparazzi, it did top Hot 100 Airplay, though just for one week and with a rather low figure, just about 100 million, and it came later in its run after it had peaked on sales. It peaked in sales at #3 on the Oct. 3 dated chart, just after her performance and wins at the MTV Video Music Awards, and it would stay in the sales top 10 for a few more weeks, and it reached #1 on airplay on the Nov. 21 dated chart, when it had already fallen out of the top 10 in sales. Yes, its sales might have been a tad low compared to its airplay, but this shouldn't be too surprising as a fourth single from an album already a year old.
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Post by Future Captain on Apr 28, 2022 6:43:57 GMT -5
By the way am I the only one who think that Fireflies felt like something could have been huge in the 2020s? I think Tik Tok would have latched onto it had it been released today
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Post by iHype. on Apr 28, 2022 7:08:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure. Was Right Round deleted off itunes just a few days, before the tracking week ended? That's why, Poker Face luckily could top Hot 100? Also, how close Party In The USA from no. 1? Paparazzi did topped Hot 100 Airplay, right? But it missed top 5 Hot 100. Were her digital sales that bad? As for the question about Single Ladies high sales week, yes, that was the week after Christmas when sales were traditionally at their highest due to iTunes gift card redemptions. As for your other questions: No, Right Round wasn't deleted off iTunes. As shown, it's last week at #1 it had 224k in sales, and the next week it dipped to 185k, just below Gaga who edged him out with 206k, which was enough to beat him (even though she had slightly less airplay). Party in the U.S.A. was #2 for 3 weeks, its first two weeks on the chart (8/29 and 9/5), as well as 10/17, all weeks where it was #1 on digital sales, with between roughly 175k-225k. Its first two weeks it had nowhere near enough airplay to beat I Gotta Feeling, however its third week at #2 it came pretty close, where it had rose to #9 in airplay, but ultimately fell just short of Down. As for Paparazzi, it did top Hot 100 Airplay, though just for one week and with a rather low figure, just about 100 million, and it came later in its run after it had peaked on sales. It peaked in sales at #3 on the Oct. 3 dated chart, just after her performance and wins at the MTV Video Music Awards, and it would stay in the sales top 10 for a few more weeks, and it reached #1 on airplay on the Nov. 21 dated chart, when it had already fallen out of the top 10 in sales. Yes, its sales might have been a tad low compared to its airplay, but this shouldn't be too surprising as a fourth single from an album already a year old. Right Round was temporarily removed from iTunes at one point (like a partial day not an entire week). The week Poker Face went #1 it was by a relatively close margin (15~ points) so that partial day would’ve still played a key role. pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/2094304
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Post by leoapp on Apr 28, 2022 7:54:01 GMT -5
As for the question about Single Ladies high sales week, yes, that was the week after Christmas when sales were traditionally at their highest due to iTunes gift card redemptions. As for your other questions: No, Right Round wasn't deleted off iTunes. As shown, it's last week at #1 it had 224k in sales, and the next week it dipped to 185k, just below Gaga who edged him out with 206k, which was enough to beat him (even though she had slightly less airplay). Party in the U.S.A. was #2 for 3 weeks, its first two weeks on the chart (8/29 and 9/5), as well as 10/17, all weeks where it was #1 on digital sales, with between roughly 175k-225k. Its first two weeks it had nowhere near enough airplay to beat I Gotta Feeling, however its third week at #2 it came pretty close, where it had rose to #9 in airplay, but ultimately fell just short of Down. As for Paparazzi, it did top Hot 100 Airplay, though just for one week and with a rather low figure, just about 100 million, and it came later in its run after it had peaked on sales. It peaked in sales at #3 on the Oct. 3 dated chart, just after her performance and wins at the MTV Video Music Awards, and it would stay in the sales top 10 for a few more weeks, and it reached #1 on airplay on the Nov. 21 dated chart, when it had already fallen out of the top 10 in sales. Yes, its sales might have been a tad low compared to its airplay, but this shouldn't be too surprising as a fourth single from an album already a year old. Right Round was temporarily removed from iTunes at one point (like a partial day not an entire week). The week Poker Face went #1 it was by a relatively close margin (15~ points) so that partial day would’ve still played a key role. pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/2094304nah I was right... i wasn't so sure though, Right Round was deleted off itunes for how many days during Poker Face no.1 week.
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Post by 85la on Apr 28, 2022 13:23:46 GMT -5
As for the question about Single Ladies high sales week, yes, that was the week after Christmas when sales were traditionally at their highest due to iTunes gift card redemptions. As for your other questions: No, Right Round wasn't deleted off iTunes. As shown, it's last week at #1 it had 224k in sales, and the next week it dipped to 185k, just below Gaga who edged him out with 206k, which was enough to beat him (even though she had slightly less airplay). Party in the U.S.A. was #2 for 3 weeks, its first two weeks on the chart (8/29 and 9/5), as well as 10/17, all weeks where it was #1 on digital sales, with between roughly 175k-225k. Its first two weeks it had nowhere near enough airplay to beat I Gotta Feeling, however its third week at #2 it came pretty close, where it had rose to #9 in airplay, but ultimately fell just short of Down. As for Paparazzi, it did top Hot 100 Airplay, though just for one week and with a rather low figure, just about 100 million, and it came later in its run after it had peaked on sales. It peaked in sales at #3 on the Oct. 3 dated chart, just after her performance and wins at the MTV Video Music Awards, and it would stay in the sales top 10 for a few more weeks, and it reached #1 on airplay on the Nov. 21 dated chart, when it had already fallen out of the top 10 in sales. Yes, its sales might have been a tad low compared to its airplay, but this shouldn't be too surprising as a fourth single from an album already a year old. Right Round was temporarily removed from iTunes at one point (like a partial day not an entire week). The week Poker Face went #1 it was by a relatively close margin (15~ points) so that partial day would’ve still played a key role. pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/2094304Interesting, didn't know that. From the date of that post (4/2/09), it looks like this happened during album release week (Right Round's parent album, R.O.O.T.S., came out 3/31/09), when labels would often delete the single version and just have fans buy the album track henceforward, however this would usually have little effect because the album version would quickly rise to take the single's place, but the week when PF hit #1 was the week before Flo's album came out (hence that thread's chart date, 4/11, and the poster's question "Did Right Round get removed from iTunes again?"), so I guess they also deleted it then, but I wonder why? In that case Poker Face was very lucky to snag #1, and that would have been its only chance too, as Boom Boom Pow completely dwarfed it the next several weeks.
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 28, 2022 13:33:04 GMT -5
Fireflies had to grow on me, but I really like it now. And I'm thankful for it because i discovered Owl City's discography. I like his pure, light vocals (remind me of mine a bit, though I wish I could be a powerhouse vocalist like Adam Lambert instead nnn)
and when my Little Monster friend said that "Poker Face didn't deserve to go #1 the week that it did", I guess it was because the only reason it did is because Right Round was deleted from iTunes for some time that week
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Post by million on May 4, 2022 0:58:36 GMT -5
Fireflies had to grow on me, but I really like it now. And I'm thankful for it because i discovered Owl City's discography. I like his pure, light vocals (remind me of mine a bit, though I wish I could be a powerhouse vocalist like Adam Lambert instead nnn) and when my Little Monster friend said that "Poker Face didn't deserve to go #1 the week that it did", I guess it was because the only reason it did is because Right Round was deleted from iTunes for some time that week Right Round wasn't deleted, it was just replaced by the album version 🙄
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Post by mms82 on May 4, 2022 8:36:58 GMT -5
Fireflies had to grow on me, but I really like it now. And I'm thankful for it because i discovered Owl City's discography. I like his pure, light vocals (remind me of mine a bit, though I wish I could be a powerhouse vocalist like Adam Lambert instead nnn) and when my Little Monster friend said that "Poker Face didn't deserve to go #1 the week that it did", I guess it was because the only reason it did is because Right Round was deleted from iTunes for some time that week Right Round wasn't deleted, it was just replaced by the album version 🙄 I remember when that was a regular occurrence - instead of now when the album comes out songs get a big consumption boost songs used to go down at album release from either a day of missed sales as the single was removed and it took time for the album version to come up the iTunes Charts, or because of Complete My Album resulting in negative sales
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 5, 2022 19:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by Private Dancer on May 5, 2022 19:57:23 GMT -5
Chicken Noodle Soup with a soda on the side?
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Post by 85la on May 5, 2022 22:14:28 GMT -5
Right Round wasn't deleted, it was just replaced by the album version 🙄 I remember when that was a regular occurrence - instead of now when the album comes out songs get a big consumption boost songs used to go down at album release from either a day of missed sales as the single was removed and it took time for the album version to come up the iTunes Charts, or because of Complete My Album resulting in negative sales Not entirely true. Songs back then could get a consumption boost if Complete My Album wasn't available or for some reason didn't have much an effect on those particular songs, but even when CMA did have a noticeable effect, whatever raw sales numbers those songs received that week would still count as points towards the Hot 100, it was just on the Digital Songs Sales charted that they were deducted. And in terms of the single version switching to the album version, in most cases that wouldn't have much of an effect either, because the album version was immediately available after the single was deleted, and would quickly rise up to take it's place usually within just a few hours.
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