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Post by 85la on Apr 12, 2022 22:30:49 GMT -5
Does not look like 2009 is coming. So anyways...can someone explain how Glamorous was #9, then dipped to #55 then to #8? The week after it reached #9 was when they removed it from digital retailers (hence it was charting only on airplay), it's exact run for the next few weeks being 9-33-55-8-1-1. It rebounded to #8 because they put it back on digital. The reason they did this I'm not entirely sure, but was most probably to boost album sales, and/or to increase more pent-up demand to shoot the song to #1, the former of which I'm assuming didn't work because they only removed it for two weeks, the latter of which might have helped because as shown it did indeed go to #1, but probably wasn't necessary because it was already ascending the charts very rapidly before it rose to #9; it was a very curious case indeed. It was done a fair amount around that time, not just withholding digital releases for songs until they had high airplay, but in some instances withholding them altogether, the most well-known instance of this being Kid Rock's All Summer Long from his Rock 'n Roll Jesus album in 2008, which reached #3 on airplay and thus only able to chart in the '20s on the Hot 100, but because of its unavailability on digital, it spurred many people to purchase the album, which eventually sold over 3 million copies. This tactic, however, didn't work with every artist, and when they tried it with Estelle and her single American Boy, whom I believe might have been on the same label, it caused nowhere near the same spike in album sales, and like Fergie, they added it back to digital after just a couple weeks. The song did eventually reach the top 10 however and was of course one of the most memorable hits from that summer.
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Post by 85la on Apr 12, 2022 22:46:50 GMT -5
Do I Make You Proud has 2.3 million plays on Spotify omg, the gray hair was iconic too. The only American Idol contestant who had natural gray hair, I think (the age limit was 28 lol) - and also still the oldest winner at 29, if I'm not mistaken "His hair started turning gray by the time he was 14" interesting. was Do I Make You Proud the last song with considerable physical sales? I don't think David Cook's Idol song the following year was released to physical I'm not sure if it was the last song in general with considerable physical sales, but it was definitely the last one from American Idol, as well as the last AI coronation song to go #1 I believe. Actually the next year it was Jordan Sparks with This Is My Now, which didn't even go top 10, and the following year was David Cook with The Time of My Life, which did a little better and was much more memorable, debuting at #8. After that, I don't think any other AI coronation songs reached the top 10 other than Phillip Phillips' Home in 2012, at #6 (probably the biggest coronation song ever actually), and of course like you said, none of these songs post-Do I Make You Proud had any considerable physical sales and might not have had any physical releases at all.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 13, 2022 0:30:13 GMT -5
Does not look like 2009 is coming. So anyways...can someone explain how Glamorous was #9, then dipped to #55 then to #8? The week after it reached #9 was when they removed it from digital retailers (hence it was charting only on airplay), it's exact run for the next few weeks being 9-33-55-8-1-1. It rebounded to #8 because they put it back on digital. The reason they did this I'm not entirely sure, but was most probably to boost album sales, and/or to increase more pent-up demand to shoot the song to #1, the former of which I'm assuming didn't work because they only removed it for two weeks, the latter of which might have helped because as shown it did indeed go to #1, but probably wasn't necessary because it was already ascending the charts very rapidly before it rose to #9; it was a very curious case indeed. It was done a fair amount around that time, not just withholding digital releases for songs until they had high airplay, but in some instances withholding them altogether, the most well-known instance of this being Kid Rock's All Summer Long from his Rock 'n Roll Jesus album in 2008, which reached #3 on airplay and thus only able to chart in the '20s on the Hot 100, but because of its unavailability on digital, it spurred many people to purchase the album, which eventually sold over 3 million copies. This tactic, however, didn't work with every artist, and when they tried it with Estelle and her single American Boy, whom I believe might have been on the same label, it caused nowhere near the same spike in album sales, and like Fergie, they added it back to digital after just a couple weeks. The song did eventually reach the top 10 however and was of course one of the most memorable hits from that summer. I was surprised to see that the song ASL was not a top ten hit. It felt like a top ten hit at the time
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 13, 2022 11:51:25 GMT -5
The week after it reached #9 was when they removed it from digital retailers (hence it was charting only on airplay), it's exact run for the next few weeks being 9-33-55-8-1-1. It rebounded to #8 because they put it back on digital. The reason they did this I'm not entirely sure, but was most probably to boost album sales, and/or to increase more pent-up demand to shoot the song to #1, the former of which I'm assuming didn't work because they only removed it for two weeks, the latter of which might have helped because as shown it did indeed go to #1, but probably wasn't necessary because it was already ascending the charts very rapidly before it rose to #9; it was a very curious case indeed. It was done a fair amount around that time, not just withholding digital releases for songs until they had high airplay, but in some instances withholding them altogether, the most well-known instance of this being Kid Rock's All Summer Long from his Rock 'n Roll Jesus album in 2008, which reached #3 on airplay and thus only able to chart in the '20s on the Hot 100, but because of its unavailability on digital, it spurred many people to purchase the album, which eventually sold over 3 million copies. This tactic, however, didn't work with every artist, and when they tried it with Estelle and her single American Boy, whom I believe might have been on the same label, it caused nowhere near the same spike in album sales, and like Fergie, they added it back to digital after just a couple weeks. The song did eventually reach the top 10 however and was of course one of the most memorable hits from that summer. I was surprised to see that the song ASL was not a top ten hit. It felt like a top ten hit at the time Im curious also with Moves Like Jagger. It's early run is almost similar to Glamorous.
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Post by 85la on Apr 13, 2022 13:10:49 GMT -5
^ That was because it debuted high off of first-week digital sales, and then slowly picked up interest again after radio fully set in and its video was released, etc., which was also a common occurrence (and still is to some degree). Glamorous was somewhat unusual in its extreme yo-yo-ing due to its removal from digital mid-run on the charts, shooting way up initially, then drastically way back down, and then just as suddenly way back up again.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 13, 2022 13:59:08 GMT -5
What’s My Name also had a weird run in the Top 10. It shot up straight to #1 before falling to 7-8 the next two weeks (allowing the lead single OGITW to reach #1 after WMN), then pretty much stabilizing for a 15-week run in the Top 10. The top position between OGITW and WMN traded hands often during their time in the Top 10.
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Post by badrobot on Apr 13, 2022 14:00:36 GMT -5
Does not look like 2009 is coming. So anyways...can someone explain how Glamorous was #9, then dipped to #55 then to #8? The week after it reached #9 was when they removed it from digital retailers (hence it was charting only on airplay), it's exact run for the next few weeks being 9-33-55-8-1-1. It rebounded to #8 because they put it back on digital. The reason they did this I'm not entirely sure, but was most probably to boost album sales, and/or to increase more pent-up demand to shoot the song to #1, the former of which I'm assuming didn't work because they only removed it for two weeks, the latter of which might have helped because as shown it did indeed go to #1, but probably wasn't necessary because it was already ascending the charts very rapidly before it rose to #9; it was a very curious case indeed. It was done a fair amount around that time, not just withholding digital releases for songs until they had high airplay, but in some instances withholding them altogether, the most well-known instance of this being Kid Rock's All Summer Long from his Rock 'n Roll Jesus album in 2008, which reached #3 on airplay and thus only able to chart in the '20s on the Hot 100, but because of its unavailability on digital, it spurred many people to purchase the album, which eventually sold over 3 million copies. This tactic, however, didn't work with every artist, and when they tried it with Estelle and her single American Boy, whom I believe might have been on the same label, it caused nowhere near the same spike in album sales, and like Fergie, they added it back to digital after just a couple weeks. The song did eventually reach the top 10 however and was of course one of the most memorable hits from that summer. Great summary! Fun fact, Rock Heroes released a cover of All Summer Long that hit #29 and charted at the same time as Kid Rock, and I think a huge part of its success was due to people buying it on iTunes not realizing it was a cover and not the same song they'd heard on the radio. *Correction: There were TWO covers charting -- another one by Hit Masters which actually peaked at #19 (higher than the original's #23 peak).
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 13, 2022 14:05:05 GMT -5
What’s My Name also had a weird run in the Top 10. It shot up straight to #1 before falling to 7-8 the next two weeks (allowing the lead single OGITW to reach #1 after WMN), then pretty much stabilizing for a 15-week run in the Top 10. The top position between OGITW and WMN traded hands often during their time in the Top 10. Yeah, I remember What's My Name had the biggest (or second-biggest) plummet from #1 for a long time, up until relatively recently (I believe dramatic plummets have been happening often since The Weeknd's Heartless lol)
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 13, 2022 14:26:54 GMT -5
Because the 2004 Hot 100 was essentially just the radio. Physical singles were dead, and while digital singles had been introduced, they weren’t included in the Hot 100 yet. I’d love to see what the Hot 100 would have looked like if digital sales had been included; especially since I know Yeah and Hey Ya topped the 1 million mark. At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs I have a feeling Gwen's "What You Waiting For" would have charted higher if digital downloads were included in 2004? It went top 10 in digital sales, so yes. Of course a lot of songs would surely have charted higher if digital sales were included in 2004, though it would also depend how much downloads counted in terms of chart points (downloads totals were basically selling at current levels then, so presumably they wouldn't have added a ton of chart points unless Billboard weighted them heavily).
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Post by 85la on Apr 13, 2022 19:35:55 GMT -5
^ In the early days of the digital era, 2005-2007, digital sales counted twice as much as they did after because their numbers were much lower. In simple terms, 10,000 sales would equal 20 mil radio impressions. 2004 sales were much lower than 2005 sales alone, so if that formula were in place in 2004, it's likely sales wouldn't have made a huge impact, however if sales were weighed even higher (such as 5k sales equaling 20 mil impressions), that might have made a more noticeable difference.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 13, 2022 19:40:22 GMT -5
^ In the early days of the digital era, 2005-2007, digital sales counted twice as much as they did after because their numbers were much lower. In simple terms, 10,000 sales would equal 20 mil radio impressions. 2004 sales were much lower than 2005 sales alone, so if that formula were in place in 2004, it's likely sales wouldn't have made a huge impact, however if sales were weighed even higher (such as 5k sales equaling 20 mil impressions), that might have made a more noticeable difference. Good info. And tbh if sales counted as much as that last hypothetical, it would have been absurd.
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Post by brady47 on Apr 14, 2022 16:32:55 GMT -5
What’s My Name also had a weird run in the Top 10. It shot up straight to #1 before falling to 7-8 the next two weeks (allowing the lead single OGITW to reach #1 after WMN), then pretty much stabilizing for a 15-week run in the Top 10. The top position between OGITW and WMN traded hands often during their time in the Top 10. Yeah, I remember What's My Name had the biggest (or second-biggest) plummet from #1 for a long time, up until relatively recently (I believe dramatic plummets have been happening often since The Weeknd's Heartless lol) Yass "What's My Name" hitting #1 before Only Girl and it's wild run in the top 10 - it dropped 1-7 but ended up climbing back to #2 eventually 10+ weeks later - queen of longevity!
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Post by brady47 on Apr 14, 2022 16:34:47 GMT -5
It would be very interesting to see what the 2004 Hot 100 looks like with sales:
BEP's "Let's Get It Started" sold 3M+ digital sales - that's insane for a 2004 single
Eminem's "Lose Yourself" with 7m+ digital sales, 11 weeks at #1 on radio and 1 Billion+ streams on YouTube + Spotify - probably one of the biggest 2000s singles ever
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Post by 85la on Apr 14, 2022 17:09:13 GMT -5
^ Most of that activity for those songs, as well as for other songs from around that time that racked up huge numbers, took place after they were on the Hot 100, however, as digital and streaming didn't even exist then or were in their very early stages, especially for Lose Yourself, as the iTunes store didn't open until April 2003, well after it completed its 12 weeks at #1.
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Post by brady47 on Apr 15, 2022 23:49:32 GMT -5
^ Most of that activity for those songs, as well as for other songs from around that time that racked up huge numbers, took place after they were on the Hot 100, however, as digital and streaming didn't even exist then or were in their very early stages, especially for Lose Yourself, as the iTunes store didn't open until April 2003, well after it completed its 12 weeks at #1. That makes it even more impressive to me
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 8:55:12 GMT -5
^ Most of that activity for those songs, as well as for other songs from around that time that racked up huge numbers, took place after they were on the Hot 100, however, as digital and streaming didn't even exist then or were in their very early stages, especially for Lose Yourself, as the iTunes store didn't open until April 2003, well after it completed its 12 weeks at #1. That makes it even more impressive to me It is impressive, but the point is it wouldn't have altered the Hot 100 at the time. I already posted the top overall digital totals as of the first quarter of 2004 here. 2004 was the first chart year with Digital Tracks, even if they didn't count toward the Hot 100. The top 10 for the 2004 chart year were: 1. "Hey Ya" 2. "The Reason" 3. "This Love" 4. "Let's Get It Started" 5. "Yeah!" 6. "She Will Be Loved" 7. "Pieces of Me" 8. "Toxic" 9. "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" 10. "Roses"
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 9:15:36 GMT -5
In the January 8, 2005 issue these were the weekly downloads totals: 1. "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" - 28,456 2. "1, 2 Step" - 28,200 3. "Drop It Like It's Hot" - 24,000 (but the multiple edits sold 32,000 total; at that time all versions couldn't be combined) 5. "Disco Inferno" - 20,000
The overall digital sales were a record to that point.
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Post by Private Dancer on Apr 16, 2022 10:26:48 GMT -5
Damn, you've thought Alicia Keys or even Ciars would've been in the TT.
Also, where was LMLY on the digital sales list in early 2005?
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Post by brady47 on Apr 16, 2022 13:20:51 GMT -5
That makes it even more impressive to me It is impressive, but the point is it wouldn't have altered the Hot 100 at the time. I already posted the top overall digital totals as of the first quarter of 2004 here. 2004 was the first chart year with Digital Tracks, even if they didn't count toward the Hot 100. The top 10 for the 2004 chart year were: 1. "Hey Ya" 2. "The Reason" 3. "This Love" 4. "Let's Get It Started" 5. "Yeah!" 6. "She Will Be Loved" 7. "Pieces of Me" 8. "Toxic" 9. "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" 10. "Roses" Omg "Pieces of Me" being the biggest downloaded female single of the year wow I thought it would've been Toxic. It also peaked at #5 on airplay and was one of the highest charting female pop hits that year.
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Post by rihannabiggestfan on Apr 16, 2022 14:03:52 GMT -5
It is impressive, but the point is it wouldn't have altered the Hot 100 at the time. I already posted the top overall digital totals as of the first quarter of 2004 here. 2004 was the first chart year with Digital Tracks, even if they didn't count toward the Hot 100. The top 10 for the 2004 chart year were: 1. "Hey Ya" 2. "The Reason" 3. "This Love" 4. "Let's Get It Started" 5. "Yeah!" 6. "She Will Be Loved" 7. "Pieces of Me" 8. "Toxic" 9. "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" 10. "Roses" Omg "Pieces of Me" being the biggest downloaded female single of the year wow I thought it would've been Toxic. It also peaked at #5 on airplay and was one of the highest charting female pop hits that year. Pieces of Me just beating out Toxic in the US for biggest downloaded female single of the year and Anastacia's Left Outside Alone just beating out Toxic for highest European Hot 100 Year-End solo lead female entry ;) rock music slayedT that year (Evanescence too)
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Post by mikerivera on Apr 16, 2022 14:34:59 GMT -5
Give me a month, and I can probably do the stats for 2009. Working on other stuff atm though
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 15:48:45 GMT -5
Also, where was LMLY on the digital sales list in early 2005? It was in the lower part of the top 10 on Digital Songs. The January 22, 2005 issue is the first one it was Digital Songs and not Digital Tracks. "LMLY" was #8 on Digital Songs that issue.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Apr 16, 2022 16:16:40 GMT -5
Give me a month, and I can probably do the stats for 2009. Working on other stuff atm though How DARE you have a life outside of Pulse Music Boards!!!
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Post by 85la on Apr 16, 2022 16:47:53 GMT -5
Damn, you've thought Alicia Keys or even Ciars would've been in the TT. Also, where was LMLY on the digital sales list in early 2005? In general, R&B digital sales were lower in those early years, so I'm not surprised to see them missing. Let Me Love You was only like #49 on the 2005 year-end digital sales list (though not sure if all of its sales were counted for that).
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 16, 2022 17:03:15 GMT -5
Damn, you've thought Alicia Keys or even Ciars would've been in the TT. Also, where was LMLY on the digital sales list in early 2005? In general, R&B digital sales were lower in those early years, so I'm not surprised to see them missing. Let Me Love You was only like #49 on the 2005 year-end digital sales list (though not sure if all of its sales were counted for that). So literally in that era, R&B and Hiphop are starting to get weaker while Pop and Rock are under represented not until 2006 onwards.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 17, 2022 6:42:31 GMT -5
In general, R&B digital sales were lower in those early years, so I'm not surprised to see them missing. Let Me Love You was only like #49 on the 2005 year-end digital sales list (though not sure if all of its sales were counted for that). So literally in that era, R&B and Hiphop are starting to get weaker while Pop and Rock are under represented not until 2006 onwards. Hip-hop still did fine. 50 Cent, Will Smith, Kanye West, Eminem, etc all hit #1 in digital sales in 2005. Of course since iTunes and the like were still new and devices were an expense, early digital sales reflected people who were on top of technology and could afford it.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 17, 2022 8:52:00 GMT -5
So literally in that era, R&B and Hiphop are starting to get weaker while Pop and Rock are under represented not until 2006 onwards. Hip-hop still did fine. 50 Cent, Will Smith, Kanye West, Eminem, etc all hit #1 in digital sales in 2005. Of course since iTunes and the like were still new and devices were an expense, early digital sales reflected people who were on top of technology and could afford it. But reality says most of us here are expecting way more. RnB and Hiphop is almost representing the entire early to mid 00's but without knowing how weak it was performing in sale.Especially during '04 where Usher is dominating. Just wandering what if Usher's Confession and JT' s Love.Future.Sex were release at the same time.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 17, 2022 8:58:51 GMT -5
Hip-hop still did fine. 50 Cent, Will Smith, Kanye West, Eminem, etc all hit #1 in digital sales in 2005. Of course since iTunes and the like were still new and devices were an expense, early digital sales reflected people who were on top of technology and could afford it. But reality says most of us here are expecting way more. RnB and Hiphop is almost representing the entire early to mid 00's but without knowing how weak it was performing in sale.Especially during '04 where Usher is dominating. Just wandering what if Usher's Confession and JT' s Love.Future.Sex were release at the same time. First of all, why do you keep including hip-hop? Hip-hop music did sell well as I've already noted. I'm also not sure what implication you are making about Usher considering Confessions is 10x platinum. It was a huge seller.
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Post by iHype. on Apr 27, 2022 9:58:08 GMT -5
Highlights:- Streaming is still counted in 2009, however AOL/Yahoo! Music are losing popularity to VEVO/YouTube rapidly. Billboard isn't even mentioning streaming anymore to any extent so there is essentially no numbers to find either. Thus 2009 doesn't have streaming included for these point breakdowns. - Sales and Airplay were at a near identical in hit songs represented. It wasn't until October that a song was #1 but lower than top 2 in Sales. For 23 weeks straight the #1 song was also #1 in Sales. - Flo Rida broke the sales record with "Right Round", albeit it had weeks of withholding it was still impressive as the song was barely even top 20 at radio yet.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2022 10:08:22 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many relatively weak weeks in the back half of 2009, including when "I Gotta Feeling" was #1.
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