Billboard Hot 100: 02/26/2022

[chanman]

Feb 13, 2022 9:41:05 GMT -5 Choco said:

What is that new music direction Ed Sheeran ventured into? Because every song sounds like a remake of an older hit.

I find it sonically different. There are a quite a few web reviews on the '=' album which relates to shift in his sound to electronic/synths and R&B elements with a bit less of the folk pop sound.

[rainygirl]

Saweetie and HER is getting quite the radio push

[fridayteenage]

Latin Songs #1s with female 1st credit, spotify:
Telepatía, #2 WW/#3 US
Tusa, #3 WW/#34 US
Chantaje, #11 WW/#51 US

Gosh, 3 in 10 years. Makes Mamiii even more impressive.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Did NOT expect the Spotify hold for Dove Cameron, that’s interesting

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 11:35:41 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Did NOT expect the Spotify hold for Dove Cameron, that’s interesting

been meaning to listen to that , I’ll do it now

[degen]

Feb 12, 2022 20:50:59 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 12, 2022 11:40:23 GMT -5 degen said:

“Willow” was #55 on the year end chart and it had the entire Billboard chart year to its advantage. I mean really, is this what you are defending now? We weren’t talking about moderate hits anyway. We are talking about legit hits.

So what, are there only 50 songs deemed to be hits that come out each year?

No, I would say like 25-30 to be honest. Usually even the weakest #1 of any particular year would come in at least the top 25-30 on the year end chart. “Up,” by Cardi for example, the second weakest #1 of the year, still came in at #26. “Willow” is by far and away the weakest. And what’s ironic is that it was literally released at the very beginning of Billboard’s calendar year making it a storybook example of the weakest #1. But we’ll call it a ‘moderate hit’ for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 13, 2022 11:49:10 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Feb 13, 2022 11:35:41 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Did NOT expect the Spotify hold for Dove Cameron, that’s interesting

been meaning to listen to that , I’ll do it now

It's not very good tbh and I really wanted to like it but man, it's really mediocre. It just sounds like every faux soul pop song that pop acts like Demi, Ariana, and Kelly Clarkson did and it sounds 

Also why is Dove doing a Billie Eilish impression? She's a good and talented singer, she doesn't need to be chasing trends. I'd say if you want a good Dove Cameron song, check out Taste of You

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 12:22:55 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Feb 13, 2022 11:49:10 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

been meaning to listen to that , I’ll do it now

It's not very good tbh and I really wanted to like it but man, it's really mediocre. It just sounds like every faux soul pop song that pop acts like Demi, Ariana, and Kelly Clarkson did and it sounds 

Also why is Dove doing a Billie Eilish impression? She's a good and talented singer, she doesn't need to be chasing trends. I'd say if you want a good Dove Cameron song, check out Taste of You

I agree , I wasn’t impressed TBH .. thank you for Taste of You

[musicspy]

Feb 13, 2022 11:17:51 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Saweetie and HER is getting quite the radio push

Rise clone of Kiss Me More! Too bad its doing poorly elsewhere, even for Saweetie standards

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Feb 13, 2022 11:17:51 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Saweetie and HER is getting quite the radio push

Rise clone of Kiss Me More! Too bad its doing poorly elsewhere, even for Saweetie standards

I hope it’s a grower on the chart . It’s quite enjoyable

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 13, 2022 12:05:56 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 12, 2022 20:50:59 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So what, are there only 50 songs deemed to be hits that come out each year?

No, I would say like 25-30 to be honest. Usually even the weakest #1 of any particular year would come in at least the top 25-30 on the year end chart. “Up,” by Cardi for example, the second weakest #1 of the year, still came in at #26. “Willow” is by far and away the weakest. And what’s ironic is that it was literally released at the very beginning of Billboard’s calendar year making it a storybook example of the weakest #1. But we’ll call it a ‘moderate hit’ for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

What a limiting view.

A “hit” doesn’t exist in one form as determined by one chart. You can have Hot 100 hits, sure, but take country music for example - a genre that exists almost entirely independent of the Hot 100 (despite the number of country songs that chart on the Hot 100 each week), which hosts many hits every year. Are you suggesting that the only hits that exist in country are those that happen to make the upper reaches of the Hot 100 yearend chart? What do you consider the dozens or other songs that don’t? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Beyond that, there are hits in other genres/formats. Regional hits (whether by continent, country or particular area within a country).
A song can go viral without ever getting radio airplay or making a yearend chart. Can that never be a hit?
Obviously what started this discussion was Taylor’s two recent number ones. I don’t disagree that those songs don’t compare to most of her hits due to how they performed. I certainly wouldn’t call them flops either. The fact they both reached number one kind of complicates them a bit more because other than those singular weeks, they didn’t have major runs on the charts - as one might expect from a star of Taylor’s calibre. But then you need to consider, they weren’t pop songs from pop albums. For what they were, they succeeded and did what they set out to do as part of the full era. So yeah, they weren’t massive hits but saying they didn’t do well just makes you look foolish.

[Enigma.]

Some of the biggest "non-hits": Till I Collapse (1.25 billion streams on Spotify), The Less I Know the Better (962 million), Stairway to Heaven (657 million).

Year-end charts are only snapshots of the pop and music biz climate in one particular year.

[musicspy]

Feb 13, 2022 13:51:34 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:44:56 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Rise clone of Kiss Me More! Too bad its doing poorly elsewhere, even for Saweetie standards

I hope it’s a grower on the chart . It’s quite enjoyable

Came back to say just that. After posting about the song, listened to it for a second time and its a major grower!

[rainygirl]

Feb 13, 2022 14:01:46 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:51:34 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

I hope it’s a grower on the chart . It’s quite enjoyable

Came back to say just that. After posting about the song, listened to it for a second time and its a major grower!

radio play will probably make more people to stream it

[musicspy]

Feb 13, 2022 14:04:24 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Feb 13, 2022 14:01:46 GMT -5 musicspy said:

Came back to say just that. After posting about the song, listened to it for a second time and its a major grower!

radio play will probably make more people to stream it

Its got a radio deal, hopefully what you say comes true. If it gets some legs radio will not pay it dust after the 8th day effect. Saweetie's team is also really smart at marketing her and I'm sure that getting a radio deal for a song on 2 formats means they are really invested in making it a hit

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Do I Wanna Know by The Arctic Monkeys has 1.2B streams on Spotify and 1.2B views on YouTube.

But it peaked at #70 on the Hot 100 so it's clearly not a hit or popular song

[Choco]

Feb 13, 2022 14:22:38 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Do I Wanna Know by The Arctic Monkeys has 1.2B streams on Spotify and 1.2B views on YouTube.

But it peaked at #70 on the Hot 100 so it's clearly not a hit or popular song

Conversely TROLLZ hit #1 so it clearly was the bigger song.

[Gary]

This is kind of a silly conversation

A "hit" has different meanings to different people and always will

The weekly chart points and year end chart placement is one definition but certainly not the only one.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates | « 2022 » / « 02 » / « 13 »

1(=) Adele - Easy On Me 100.17(+0.90) +
2(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 90.56(-0.00)
3(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 84.38(-0.35)
4(=) Justin Bieber - Ghost 77.61(+0.90)
5(+1) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 72.32(+0.12)
6(-1) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 71.72(-1.34)
7(+1) GAYLE - abcdefu 68.91(+1.03)
8(-1) Doja Cat - Need To Know 67.88(-0.36)
9(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 57.96(-0.44)
10(=) Post Malone & The Weeknd - One Right Now 53.87(+0.11)

24(+2) Doja Cat - Woman 37.12(+1.05)

38(+2) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 29.68(+0.88)

39(=) Charlie Puth - Light Switch 29.63(+0.71) +

98(+5) Imagine Dragons - Enemy From League Of Legends 13.66(+0.82)

-(-) Ed Sheeran - The Joker And The Queen (feat. Taylor Swift) 7.92(+1.74)

-(-) Saweetie - Closer f/H.E.R. 7.04(+2.48) +

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 13, 2022 12:05:56 GMT -5 degen said:

No, I would say like 25-30 to be honest. Usually even the weakest #1 of any particular year would come in at least the top 25-30 on the year end chart. “Up,” by Cardi for example, the second weakest #1 of the year, still came in at #26. “Willow” is by far and away the weakest. And what’s ironic is that it was literally released at the very beginning of Billboard’s calendar year making it a storybook example of the weakest #1. But we’ll call it a ‘moderate hit’ for the sake of not ruffling feathers.

What a limiting view.

A “hit” doesn’t exist in one form as determined by one chart. You can have Hot 100 hits, sure, but take country music for example - a genre that exists almost entirely independent of the Hot 100 (despite the number of country songs that chart on the Hot 100 each week), which hosts many hits every year. Are you suggesting that the only hits that exist in country are those that happen to make the upper reaches of the Hot 100 yearend chart? What do you consider the dozens or other songs that don’t? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Beyond that, there are hits in other genres/formats. Regional hits (whether by continent, country or particular area within a country).
A song can go viral without ever getting radio airplay or making a yearend chart. Can that never be a hit?
Obviously what started this discussion was Taylor’s two recent number ones. I don’t disagree that those songs don’t compare to most of her hits due to how they performed. I certainly wouldn’t call them flops either. The fact they both reached number one kind of complicates them a bit more because other than those singular weeks, they didn’t have major runs on the charts - as one might expect from a star of Taylor’s calibre. But then you need to consider, they weren’t pop songs from pop albums. For what they were, they succeeded and did what they set out to do as part of the full era. So yeah, they weren’t massive hits but saying they didn’t do well just makes you look foolish.

I mean someone else charting at #55 on the year end chart could be considered a hit. A new artist perhaps. Or one who has never had a mainstream hit before. But this is Taylor Swift, who had some of the biggest hits of the 2010s. To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. Massive output of music, a huge back catalog of hits, and huge amount of sales. Yet you can’t accept that her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. You are not going to convince me that “Willow” was a big hit or a song that’s highly recognized outside of her fanbase. Just deal with it and move on.

[fridayteenage]

Bruno Youtube US trajectory
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[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 13:55:52 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Some of the biggest "non-hits": Till I Collapse (1.25 billion streams on Spotify), The Less I Know the Better (962 million), Stairway to Heaven (657 million).

Year-end charts are only snapshots of the pop and music biz climate in one particular year.

Not a “snapshot” of one particular year when Taylor’s last 3 #1s couldn’t even make it past a snapshot of one month. You Taylor fans are something else. You already ate all the caviar in the world and now want to convince me that your plate is still full.

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 14:26:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

Feb 13, 2022 14:22:38 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Do I Wanna Know by The Arctic Monkeys has 1.2B streams on Spotify and 1.2B views on YouTube.

But it peaked at #70 on the Hot 100 so it's clearly not a hit or popular song

Conversely TROLLZ hit #1 so it clearly was the bigger song.

You are acting like “Willow” had some sort of massive after life after it’s chart run. I’m confused. Is it receiving massive streams now? Is it climbing up the radio charts again or something. Please tell me what I missed 3 weeks after it was released?

[Mayman]

Feb 13, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 13:52:02 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

What a limiting view.

A “hit” doesn’t exist in one form as determined by one chart. You can have Hot 100 hits, sure, but take country music for example - a genre that exists almost entirely independent of the Hot 100 (despite the number of country songs that chart on the Hot 100 each week), which hosts many hits every year. Are you suggesting that the only hits that exist in country are those that happen to make the upper reaches of the Hot 100 yearend chart? What do you consider the dozens or other songs that don’t? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Beyond that, there are hits in other genres/formats. Regional hits (whether by continent, country or particular area within a country).
A song can go viral without ever getting radio airplay or making a yearend chart. Can that never be a hit?
Obviously what started this discussion was Taylor’s two recent number ones. I don’t disagree that those songs don’t compare to most of her hits due to how they performed. I certainly wouldn’t call them flops either. The fact they both reached number one kind of complicates them a bit more because other than those singular weeks, they didn’t have major runs on the charts - as one might expect from a star of Taylor’s calibre. But then you need to consider, they weren’t pop songs from pop albums. For what they were, they succeeded and did what they set out to do as part of the full era. So yeah, they weren’t massive hits but saying they didn’t do well just makes you look foolish.

I mean someone else charting at #55 on the year end chart could be considered a hit. A new artist perhaps. Or one who has never had a mainstream hit before. But this is Taylor Swift, who had some of the biggest hits of the 2010s. To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. Massive output of music, a huge back catalog of hits, and huge amount of sales. Yet you can’t accept that her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. You are not going to convince me that “Willow” was a big hit or a song that’s highly recognized out of her fanbase. Just deal with it and move on.

Nobody here is saying that it's a huge hit. You're literally just arguing with points that nobody is claiming.

Not everything is about chart placement. Enough already.

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:03:27 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Feb 13, 2022 16:25:31 GMT -5 degen said:

I mean someone else charting at #55 on the year end chart could be considered a hit. A new artist perhaps. Or one who has never had a mainstream hit before. But this is Taylor Swift, who had some of the biggest hits of the 2010s. To even allude that a performance like “Willow” is anywhere near those hits and not acknowledge how low you’ve set the bar for her now, is kind of spinning a narrative. Just take the Loss and move on. I’m not sure why it matters to her fans so much anyway. You guys almost have it all. Massive output of music, a huge back catalog of hits, and huge amount of sales. Yet you can’t accept that her singles no longer perform as well commercially as they used to. You are not going to convince me that “Willow” was a big hit or a song that’s highly recognized out of her fanbase. Just deal with it and move on.

Nobody here is saying that it's a huge hit. You're literally just arguing with points that nobody is claiming.

Not everything is about chart placement. Enough already.

And I never said everything was about chart placement. The only reason I brought up the Year end chart to begin with was because it’s the only metric we have at this point. “Willow” was released in December 2020, thus seeing how it did on the year end chart of 2021 was most certainly the most fair assessment possible. If that pill was too hard to swallow, then I apologize. I find it rather amusing that now suddenly Taylor army is arguing that “not everything is about charts” when literally everything she’s done in the last decade has been just that.

[Mayman]

I guess if Pulse Music Board user "degen" says that a song flopped, which performed well to the target audience it was supposed to impact (#1 on Hot AC, top 10 on AC, 300 million streams on Spotify alone, helped cement Taylor as one of the greatest songwriters of our generation), then I guess it flopped!

I'm not sure on the insistence on saying a song flopped, and then when people try to offer a different opinion, you act like an ass and ignore everything they're saying. Have a discussion, not a ignore everything and dispel everyone else match.

[Choco]

I did not spend several posts on both this and the other Hot 100 thread telling people Willow and Cardigan weren't really a big deal overall just for trollgen to try to use Willow against me just because I have a Taylor avi.

I really need to stop clicking the Show Post button for blocked users.

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:10:55 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I guess if Pulse Music Board user "degen" says that a song flopped, which performed well to the target audience it was supposed to impact (#1 on Hot AC, top 10 on AC, 300 million streams on Spotify alone), then I guess it flopped!

I'm not sure on the insistence on saying a song flopped, and then when people try to offer a different opinion, you act like an ass and ignore everything they're saying. Have a discussion, not a ignore everything and dispel everyone else match.

I never said her song flopped. Where did I say Willow flopped? I called it a minor hit…just like “Happier than Ever.” 😁

[Mayman]

Feb 13, 2022 17:13:32 GMT -5 degen said:

Feb 13, 2022 17:10:55 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I guess if Pulse Music Board user "degen" says that a song flopped, which performed well to the target audience it was supposed to impact (#1 on Hot AC, top 10 on AC, 300 million streams on Spotify alone), then I guess it flopped!

I'm not sure on the insistence on saying a song flopped, and then when people try to offer a different opinion, you act like an ass and ignore everything they're saying. Have a discussion, not a ignore everything and dispel everyone else match.

I never said her song flopped. Where did I say Willow flopped? I called it a minor hit…just like “Happier than Ever.” 😁

Underperformance, minor hit, flop, whatever you want to say. We all know what your intentions are.

Happier Than Ever is also a hit! It spent half a year on the hot 100 and is approaching 700 million streams on Spotify. It's nice to see you noticed my avatar, maybe you should get one so we can recognize you outside of the other 100 people who visit these threads with no avatar.

[degen]

Feb 13, 2022 17:13:25 GMT -5 Choco said:

I did not spend several posts on both this and the other Hot 100 thread telling people Willow and Cardigan weren't really a big deal overall just for trollgen to try to use Willow against me just because I have a Taylor avi.

I really need to stop clicking the Show Post button for blocked users.

They were a big deal for a few weeks. And now they are not. I never said they were flops. I’m not sure why suddenly now everything has to either be considered a big hit or a big flop. There’s middle ground. I wasn’t even the one that brought up “Willow.” That was a Taylor fan that did that. I simply stated that Taylor no longer performs commercially to the standards of what is considered a big hit. Then someone mentioned “Willow” and I had to bring out the receipts to prove that my point was accurate. The fallout that persisted after that wasn’t warranted.

You know what’s a big deal still? Shake It Off, Blank Page, I Knew You We’re Trouble, Love Story, etc. You have so many big deals in her catalog. It’s going to be ok. Move on.