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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 13, 2022 22:32:53 GMT -5
Truthfully, streaming has killed album sales, which leaves Carrie at a disadvantage because the large majority of her sales had been from physical albums and her streaming numbers have always been lacking. Most of the people in the country format can’t even pull a 50k opening week now. Miranda opened with 39k I believe about a month ago.
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Post by malwaredie on Jun 14, 2022 0:48:03 GMT -5
Most Carrie fans reported that Denim & Rhinestones wasn't in stock at Target even in big cities, so that could be contributing to the very low numbers if Capitol Nashville had no confidence in Carrie that it didn't even ensure that her album was stocked properly.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 14, 2022 10:29:51 GMT -5
A label dumps millions of dollars into major artist album launches. They did not sabotage her stock supply. We still live in a world with very severe supply chain issues due to COVID. Whether that had anything to do with it or not, IDK, but this is a perfect example of what so many fans have discussed RE: Carrie for the last few years. She’s always been a phenomenal album sales artist, but pure album sales for pretty much ALL artists has been sharply declining. Hell, even Adele’s big comeback saw her go from 3.1 million albums sold in 1 week with her previous record, to ~850k TOTAL (including streaming — meaning her physical sales were lower). The world is in a digital era, which means streaming is what artists need to focus on, and with Carrie being in the game for nearly 20 years, this automatically sets her up at a disadvantage.
Whatever the reason(s) may be for the drop in sales, it’s a bummer. But, for any fans to spin it as “hmmm what did Capitol do to sabotage her” is wild.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 14, 2022 10:44:06 GMT -5
I don’t think they are trying to sabotage her, but I don’t think they are as attentive as they should be for their biggest artist. They can’t control supply issues, but have likely known this release date for a while so should have planned accordingly.
On top of BTS doing plenty of pure sales and they fall under the UMG umbrella.
Another example being on Apple Music the audio for Ghost Story has been playing for Hate My Heart ever since release day and has yet to be fixed. Idk if that’s a them problem or a Apple Music problem, if it’s the latter her team could at least be attentive enough to be on them to have it fixed, but here we are day 4 into the album and it’s still not fixed.
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Post by schnetzka on Jun 14, 2022 12:17:14 GMT -5
Excuse my dumb for a second, but does low streaming numbers just mean people aren't listening to the song/album? Or is there more to it?
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Post by taylor on Jun 14, 2022 13:27:05 GMT -5
Y’all saying this thing about “Hate My Heart” playing as “Ghost Story” instead must have a different Apple Music than I do…I have had “Hate My Heart” playing as “Hate My Heart” every single time I stream the album.
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Post by bigd79 on Jun 14, 2022 19:25:36 GMT -5
I know there is people out there that love to stream, but i really hate what it has done and will continue to do to albums. I honestly wish streaming was never invented. Youtube for videos still ok.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 14, 2022 19:35:10 GMT -5
I mean yeah, streaming has definitely affected the way albums are consumed, appreciated, and even made, if at all. The main people who run charts nowadays are not country acts, because they operate on a more single-by-single release basis. It’s just the way the industry has evolved, and it’ll continue to change.
Nobody saw vinyls or cassette tapes ever coming back, and yet…here we are. I’m sure CDs will be seen as nostalgic, vintage novelties again and album sales will see an uptick.
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Post by gardyfan on Jun 14, 2022 19:55:53 GMT -5
When do 8 tracks make their return???
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Post by Jae on Jun 14, 2022 23:04:15 GMT -5
When do 8 tracks make their return??? 8 tracks? Hell, I've got a reel-to-reel I'd like to see happen again.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 16, 2022 10:20:47 GMT -5
Miranda, Thomas and Keith should be exiting the chart here soon, along with Jason as well. This should be top 15 within a couple weeks. Let’s go GH! Time to shine!
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Post by Jack on Jun 16, 2022 18:00:38 GMT -5
Ghost Story really has grown on me. Where are the ideas that she was "forced to record it" coming from?
Elsewhere... damn, “Carrie’s Come On Over” is off to a slow start. Seems to be the result you get if you try and please the AC crowd, the Country crowd, the Pop crowd at the same time and dilute down your product the extent to which you please almost nobody commercially and achieve nothing artistically. Again, whoever’s idea it was for Carrie to dip her toes into karaoke-track 80s Pop half a decade too late on a handful of the tracks deserves whatever the opposite of a raise. If she wants to be anything more than a greatest hits artist singing her once great music for the rest of her life, she needs a new A&R, new label, new-perspective that renders her able to see she perhaps may not need a writing credit on nearly everything. Ditch Randee. Ditch the corny Cindy Doll Tumblr aesthetic she’s been peddling since 2018.
The echo chamber of her base, once the dust settles on all this and the fade of recency bias knocks down “XOMG HER BEST ALBUM EVER” the rankings a bit, might encourage her to make these changes given she does seem to genuinely care about and listen to her fans. Hopefully they might be able to save her from her current creative team. As mediocre as I find her output these last few years, even I didn’t expect her to shed 90% of her consuming audience, studio album to studio album. I’m scouring my brain to think that last time that happened, maybe Ciara? Nelly Furtado? Album-wise, I think the good news is she can only really go up from here, and hopefully this serves as a wake up call that the current formula isn’t working.
Living with it a little, I think the worst song is “Crazy Angels”. Some of the worst lyrics of her career. “Yes I’m one of those crazy angels, twisted halo with a neon shine”…it literally means almost nothing. Fridge magnet ‘live laugh love dance like no one’s watching’ pseudo-kook/relatability, that in a songwriting camp would literally just be thrown out as a place-holder lines, and would never escape the studio. I remember I was in the XIX offices and being played Good Girl a few weeks before it came out, and had chills at not only the enormity and confidence of it, but the twists and turns of perspective and lyric-play. I mention that because it’s another Pop/Rock/Country Carrie song with a twist on the ‘good girl’ trope, but about a thousand times cleverer and a sad reminder of her fall.
Finally, playing ball for a sec, those saying the album should ‘go six singles in’, given that the current Country radio trajectory for an average (/female) hit single is about 8 months? Factoring in for Christmas freezes, which single is the consensus for single number two and which one is the favourite for 2026?
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Post by daddy on Jun 17, 2022 5:38:40 GMT -5
Ghost Story really has grown on me. Where are the ideas that she was "forced to record it" coming from? Elsewhere... damn, “Carrie’s Come On Over” is off to a slow start. Seems to be the result you get if you try and please the AC crowd, the Country crowd, the Pop crowd at the same time and dilute down your product the extent to which you please almost nobody commercially and achieve nothing artistically. Again, whoever’s idea it was for Carrie to dip her toes into karaoke-track 80s Pop half a decade too late on a handful of the tracks deserves whatever the opposite of a raise. If she wants to be anything more than a greatest hits artist singing her once great music for the rest of her life, she needs a new A&R, new label, new-perspective that renders her able to see she perhaps may not need a writing credit on nearly everything. Ditch Randee. Ditch the corny Cindy Doll Tumblr aesthetic she’s been peddling since 2018.
The echo chamber of her base, once the dust settles on all this and the fade of recency bias knocks down “XOMG HER BEST ALBUM EVER” the rankings a bit, might encourage her to make these changes given she does seem to genuinely care about and listen to her fans. Hopefully they might be able to save her from her current creative team. As mediocre as I find her output these last few years, even I didn’t expect her to shed 90% of her consuming audience, studio album to studio album. I’m scouring my brain to think that last time that happened, maybe Ciara? Nelly Furtado? Album-wise, I think the good news is she can only really go up from here, and hopefully this serves as a wake up call that the current formula isn’t working.
Living with it a little, I think the worst song is “Crazy Angels”. Some of the worst lyrics of her career. “Yes I’m one of those crazy angels, twisted halo with a neon shine”…it literally means almost nothing. Fridge magnet ‘live laugh love dance like no one’s watching’ pseudo-kook/relatability, that in a songwriting camp would literally just be thrown out as a place-holder lines, and would never escape the studio. I remember I was in the XIX offices and being played Good Girl a few weeks before it came out, and had chills at not only the enormity and confidence of it, but the twists and turns of perspective and lyric-play. I mention that because it’s another Pop/Rock/Country Carrie song with a twist on the ‘good girl’ trope, but about a thousand times cleverer and a sad reminder of her fall.
Finally, playing ball for a sec, those saying the album should ‘go six singles in’, given that the current Country radio trajectory for an average (/female) hit single is about 8 months? Factoring in for Christmas freezes, which single is the consensus for single number two and which one is the favourite for 2026?I may be missing it, but I haven't seen anyone claim this and I wouldn't believe it. She seems to really love the song by the way she talks about it. It also does sound very much like a Carrie song to me. Her sales seem to be in line with her contemporaries. Also, there were definitely some unfortunate distribution issues, which I'm sure hindered the numbers for a physical seller like Carrie. I predict she'll see a less dramatic percentage drop than average in the next couple weeks as stores stock her album, but we'll see. Regarding single number two, I think "Burn" could be a big song for her. Seems a lot of others enjoy it as well.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 17, 2022 6:24:09 GMT -5
I totally get Jack's frustration with her career. I don't think the scope of Carrie's talent and the potential for that talent matches her own ambitions anymore. Honestly, I don't know if it ever did. She's served some genre best stuff over the years, but the potential for more has always been there IMO.
The only place I disagree, is I do like this album. I think it's fun, glossy and incredibly catchy. But if she was gonna go this route, then she needed to serve Shania. There are ways to ambitiously sell fluff. If this is your "singing into a hairbrush" album, then I want to see you having fun and singing into a damn hairbrush. Instead we get a dour first single (that I do like FYI, just not as a single), uninspired visuals and static promo (and do not try to convince me that wedding cake topper acrobat performance was anything but a pass). And I agree, everything Randee touches just looks cheap to me, she is in desperate need of an image shake-up. I just don't think she's done a good job selling this album, literally and figuratively. And no amount of conjecture about low stock at Target is going to change that fact.
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Post by daddy on Jun 17, 2022 6:53:49 GMT -5
I totally get Jack's frustration with her career. I don't think the scope of Carrie's talent and the potential for that talent matches her own ambitions anymore. Honestly, I don't know if it ever did. She's served some genre best stuff over the years, but the potential for more has always been there IMO. The only place I disagree, is I do like this album. I think it's fun, glossy and catchy. But if she was gonna go this route, then she needed to serve Shania. There are ways to ambitiously sell fluff. If this is your "singing into a hairbrush" album, then I want to see you having fun and singing into a damn hairbrush. Instead we get a dour first single (that I do like FYI), uninspired visuals and static promo (and do not try and convince me that wedding cake topper acrobat performance was anything but a pass). And I agree, everything Randee touches just looks cheap to me, she is in desperate need of an image shake-up. I just don't think she's done a good job selling this album, literally and figuratively. And no amount a conjecture about low stock at Target is going to change that fact. This is by no means directed at you, but just a general sense of how I feel regarding artist perception : ) I feel that listeners should distinguish between what they want from an artist and what the artist wants for themselves. I genuinely think CP and D&R are the albums Carrie wanted to make, for better or for worse (that's up to the subjective listener and personal taste). I do believe she has more artistic freedom since she changed labels and released CP. One has to simply look at Carrie's playlists and musical influences to realize these fusions of sounds are truly authentic and not merely experimentation. It just might not seem this way as she started her career with a particular sound when she likely had little control over her musical output. I know this might not mean much to some individuals, but I think it's healthy to remember that being an artist is an artistic profession, in which the individual should be able to make the art they want to make. As consumers, we can decide whether we want to listen to it.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 17, 2022 7:18:15 GMT -5
I personally really enjoy the album. I do wish that her creative team would be a little more.. creative lol.
The Blown Away era just felt like a moment in history, and I feel like D&R could be just that if they really dove head first with it. I'm talking picking the correct singles, ordering them correctly, and giving them high budget music videos. This album really has a lot of potential if they want to utilize it.
GS has grown on me a lot, but shouldn't have been the lead single. That would've been like starting Blown Away off with See You Again as the lead single. She should've started with one that was more of a moment (Velvet Heartbreak, Burn, Crazy Angels, heck even Hate My Heart) and saved GS as a late album single if she really wanted it released that bad.
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Post by galfor on Jun 17, 2022 12:17:36 GMT -5
Such a fantastic album. Whatever happens it’ll be Top 10 on The Billboard 200 and #2 on country. Ghost Story could go all the way and I think Carrie ‘could’ finally get CMA Entertainer of the Year in November. Album is fantastic. So many ear worms. After 18 years in the business Carrie still got it!
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Post by Jack on Jun 17, 2022 15:40:12 GMT -5
given she does seem to genuinely care about and listen to her fans.
My mistake.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 17, 2022 15:58:29 GMT -5
I do think it was a bit delusional to think this era was gonna be Come On Over given how ho hum "Ghost Story" impact has been, yes it's been a better lead single than "Cry Pretty" but it's still not the most impactful single a lead single should be where as I do think "Pink Champagne" might have generated more buzz for the album given it's connecting pretty well out of the gate.
Not only that but I feel like it's impossible for an artist like Carrie Underwood to have a Come on Over era given the fact she's been in the business for over a decade and a half not to mention how long chart runs are nowadays.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 17, 2022 16:57:10 GMT -5
I do think it was a bit delusional to think this era was gonna be Come On Over given how ho hum "Ghost Story" impact has been, yes it's been a better lead single than "Cry Pretty" but it's still not the most impactful single a lead single should be where as I do think "Pink Champagne" might have generated more buzz for the album given it's connecting pretty well out of the gate. Not only that but I feel like it's impossible for an artist like Carrie Underwood to have a Come on Over era given the fact she's been in the business for over a decade and a half not to mention how long chart runs are nowadays. I can say with 100% certainty that absolutely no one was saying this would be her Come on Over era with any degree of actual seriousness. Luke Combs is literally the only artist who can accomplish getting that many radio singles out from one album these days and he's not even close to touching the crossover appeal, name recognition, dynamics, etc. that Shania had at her peak. They are off to a rough start this era though. "Ghost Story" has grown on me a lot and I'm glad it's testing well so there's a good chance it'll be her first solo #1 hit on both charts in a long time, but this era hasn't started off with the bang she needed and hopefully future singles and the promotion for them will give the album good legs.
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Post by taylor on Jun 17, 2022 17:06:57 GMT -5
Y’all take things too damn literally sometimes (and for legal reasons: I say this jokingly) When I said this would be her Come On Over era, I meant that in the sense that Denim & Rhinestones is almost entirely full of easy radio smashes that would have no problems at all hitting #1, all or at least most of which I think she should release…not that she would defy all odds and suddenly, at the age of 40, nearly two decades into her career, become a blockbuster crossover sensation. She had that chance from the moment “BHC” smashed and stayed in the country lane.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 17, 2022 17:16:12 GMT -5
Yeah I think everyone was just exaggerating, nobody is actually expecting a lot of singles.
I don’t think it too out of line to hope for at least 5 though (even though it probably won’t happen) because of how radio friendly all of these songs are.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jun 17, 2022 17:35:25 GMT -5
Okay sorry I am not the best at reading sarcasm or social cues in general and that includes online on here.
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Post by daddy on Jun 17, 2022 17:47:11 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if we got more than 4 singles.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 17, 2022 19:45:39 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if we got 4 singles, at the rate the album is performing tbh.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jun 17, 2022 20:15:39 GMT -5
The album has been out one week and there’s been several notable distribution issues with the album. Let’s stop declaring this album a flop from the get go. Are the debit numbers surprising and disappointing? Yes, of course. But let’s not declare this era over before it’s even really begun.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 17, 2022 20:52:27 GMT -5
I mean the numbers are disappointing, but outside of Wallen & Combs. What current country artist is doing much better? To focus only on her sales and not that of her counterparts is tacky. Country album sales and streams are just sh*t right now. All of her peers are right in line.
At least this album is full of radio friendly songs. That alone will give it legs, unlike with the songs that were on the last album.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 19, 2022 14:46:43 GMT -5
Let’s just focus on GS for now! The song is taking off and with several people exiting the chart (Walker, Jason, Miranda, Thomas), this has a good shot at making top 10 soon! As has been said before, album sales have been trash for a while now and radio success is what’s going to determine if this is a “flop” or not. Comparing Carrie’s 2005 sales to 2022 sales is pointless because it’s a totally different market right now. Combine that with supply chain/distribution issues and you’re left with relatively weak physical sales. Carrie’s people are going to have to try hard to push digital/streaming.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jun 19, 2022 17:10:39 GMT -5
I mean the numbers are disappointing, but outside of Wallen & Combs. What current country artist is doing much better? To focus only on her sales and not that of her counterparts is tacky. Country album sales and streams are just sh*t right now. All of her peers are right in line. At least this album is full of radio friendly songs. That alone will give it legs, unlike with the songs that were on the last album. I've been thinking about this argument for a little while now, but here's the thing. Carrie has never been "in line" with any of her peers, she has always (well) exceeded her peers in terms of album and single sales. So for her, falling "in line" is a decrease, and quite frankly, she's now below Miranda who she has always consistently outsold by a wide margin. Yes, sales are obviously down across the board, so I'm not expecting Play On or Carnival Ride level first week sales, but her drop is steeper than expected. That's the reality. She went from outselling almost all of her contemporaries to falling slightly below them. That is a larger drop, % wise, than should be expected with streaming. (Keep in mind too that her last album was a Christian album, and even that did almost double what this has done.) Is she losing star power? Is she no longer country's "it girl"? We knew this would happen eventually. Is now the time? I guess I was hoping she would have another good few years left in her before we reached that point. Is it the material? Is GS just not connecting the way her other leads have? Is it a distribution issue with the physical CD? Possibly, but the reality is most people have moved on to streaming. I don't know that Walmart and Target are going to have 5+ copies of the same CD on their shelves nowadays. From anybody, not just Carrie. It's likely a combination of various things, but it's disappointing and I feel our disappointment here is valid. This is concerning because it may mean Carrie is no longer the "it girl" in country--she always has been ever since JTTW, so this is new territory for those of us who have been here since Idol. Yes, we know she'll be fine, but this is a forum dedicated to watching the charts and sales, so I think this is an appropriate place to discuss our concerns.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jun 19, 2022 17:47:04 GMT -5
I mean the numbers are disappointing, but outside of Wallen & Combs. What current country artist is doing much better? To focus only on her sales and not that of her counterparts is tacky. Country album sales and streams are just sh*t right now. All of her peers are right in line. At least this album is full of radio friendly songs. That alone will give it legs, unlike with the songs that were on the last album. I've been thinking about this argument for a little while now, but here's the thing. Carrie has never been "in line" with any of her peers, she has always (well) exceeded her peers in terms of album and single sales. So for her, falling "in line" is a decrease, and quite frankly, she's now below Miranda who she has always consistently outsold by a wide margin. Yes, sales are obviously down across the board, so I'm not expecting Play On or Carnival Ride level first week sales, but her drop is steeper than expected. That's the reality. She went from outselling almost all of her contemporaries to falling slightly below them. That is a larger drop, % wise, than should be expected with streaming. (Keep in mind too that her last album was a Christian album, and even that did almost double what this has done.) Is she losing star power? Is she no longer country's "it girl"? We knew this would happen eventually. Is now the time? I guess I was hoping she would have another good few years left in her before we reached that point. Is it the material? Is GS just not connecting the way her other leads have? Is it a distribution issue with the physical CD? Possibly, but the reality is most people have moved on to streaming. I don't know that Walmart and Target are going to have 5+ copies of the same CD on their shelves nowadays. From anybody, not just Carrie. It's likely a combination of various things, but it's disappointing and I feel our disappointment here is valid. This is concerning because it may mean Carrie is no longer the "it girl" in country--she always has been ever since JTTW, so this is new territory for those of us who have been here since Idol. Yes, we know she'll be fine, but this is a forum dedicated to watching the charts and sales, so I think this is an appropriate place to discuss our concerns. I honestly think it's a handful of things. Her numbers were a big shot in the dark for this, as we haven't had real studio album, with uninflated numbers since Storyteller in 2015. I would normally look at My Savior's numbers, but that is a complete different demographic, making a project that the majority of her fans have always wanted (even the ones that checked out form keeping up with her eras prior, returned since they always wanted an album like this. I remember Reba's 2017 Gospel album did very well too (around 51k units) only for her next studio album released two years later only pull in 20k units. I remembered when Miranda dropped Platinum it had 180k first week, then the next year Carrie dropped Storyteller and it did 177K. She blew everyone out of the water with Cry Pretty due to the tour bundle, and the viral news about her miscarrages being broke the Sunday after the album released, so it's hard to tell just what that one would have pulled in without those two big factors. When Jason Aldean dropped Rearview Town in 2018 he pulled in around 183k album units, which is probably where CP would have been if had to take a educated guess, if not a little lower. So, he was still relatively close to her then and still is now. Golden boy Luke Bryan hasn't dropped in the past two years, but his last release only brought in 65k units and that was with having One Margarita on the chart at release (which is one of his biggest recent singles), which was a decline of around 35k units from his previous record, so if I were a betting man I would say his next record sees another decline considering album sales have only gotten worse. And the last thing that I don't like to talk about since I love this woman. Yes, I do think there has been a decline, I don't think it's as drastic as the #'s might make you think, but for any woman being in this genre for as long as she has it's inevitable, Miranda included. For Carrie to have been the "it girl" or "the shiny new toy" as Taylor Swift refers to it, for nearly 13-14 years (around 2018-2019 when we first saw any hickup from radio or her singles performance) is unheard of. I do think that there were factors that could have made these numbers not look so drastically low (having vinyls avaliable on release day increased Eric's numbers by around 13k, having a lead single that was more of a statement that would connect with radio/streaming right off the bat rather than a grower like GS is, having an album with more tracks for better streaming, and most importantly having stocking planned out for the CD so that it is easily accessible to purchase.) I have to believe that if they did better on those things I listed the album would have performed better. But the positive thing, unlike last era, she has an album filled with very radio friendly songs. So while the numbers might have been lower then hoped for, I'm really hoping to see this era be at least somewhat similar to her radio career prior to Cry Pretty. Where last era the album/tour helped give the album legs (with very minimal help from the singles), this era, hopefully, the singles can give the album legs.
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