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Post by Typo on Sept 20, 2022 7:33:06 GMT -5
You said the tour was selling “poorly” based on insight provided by Charlie XCX stans on PopJustice. Obviously there’s a difference between “poorly” and Bad Bunny/Coldplay/Ed Sheeran/Adele record-breaking ticket sales. Now you’ve proceeded to provide a smattering of mostly 2023 dates which have 5-6 months of sales remaining.
I guarantee when all is said and done D&R will have a similar gross as Storyteller/Cry Pretty Tour 360.
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Post by freshgirl on Sept 20, 2022 7:39:32 GMT -5
It is not surprised that in February and March there are most tickets left.
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Post by Jack on Sept 20, 2022 8:08:56 GMT -5
You said the tour was selling “poorly” based on insight provided by Charlie XCX stans on PopJustice. Obviously there’s a difference between “poorly” and Bad Bunny/Coldplay/Ed Sheeran/Adele record-breaking ticket sales. Now you’ve proceeded to provide a smattering of mostly 2023 dates which have 5-6 months of sales remaining. I guarantee when all is said and done D&R will have a similar gross as Storyteller/Cry Pretty Tour 360. No, I said people on other forums made mention that the tour was selling poorly. Which was the first I'd heard of it. I suggested, if ticket sales are slower, single choices may factor that in. You told me to look at Ticketmaster. I did. You selected the dates you'd chosen to represent sales of the tour and hurriedly fired them out. Was I supposed to look at them as well to see if you were lying? No. As per your nudging, I spent three and half minutes looking at Ticketmaster, at ones you didn't mention and the very-easy-to-decipher visual data seems to suggest there are many many tickets left unsold. A very innocuous truth like "there are many unsold tickets", shouldn't illicit such defensiveness and drama, but that's just par for the course; whether it's me saying it, whether it's fans saying Ghost Story isn't going to take off in a way that meets stated expectations and she should move on. Like I say, many things may happen next to avoid the above venues looking or being half full (the one in six weeks time, for instance, which is not February or March). They can close off the top tier, they can start doing giveaways and price reductions, and the 'smattering' of seats above (which even a quick glance represents thousands, perhaps tens of thousands if you extrapolate, and then consider the blind floor capacities) may well get snapped up. I honestly thought the confidence with which you said "look at Ticketmaster" I'd be met with majority grey seats (I did look at a couple of others, but they don't allow for a quick picture like most of the dates...you have to zoom right in and scan around with a magnifier toggle thing). Hate My Heart, a more arena-pleasing, crowd-driven, sing-along-clap-along anthem style song might facilitate further ticket sales and maybe that's factored into the decision to make it the next single.
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Post by daddy on Sept 20, 2022 11:17:51 GMT -5
Hey Jack, what percentage of a sellout do you consider selling poorly vs impressively?
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Post by Jack on Sept 20, 2022 12:09:16 GMT -5
Hey Jack, what percentage of a sellout do you consider selling poorly vs impressively? Like I say, her status as a dominating (domestic) touring force is often fired out to counter fans, non-fans and lapsed-fans pointing out the downward success trajectory of her recording career. A tour which, at time of writing, a third of the dates look below half sold at a casual glance doesn’t seem to me a huge hammer with which to bash away frustrations, concerns (or indeed, explanations) of career choices.
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Post by daddy on Sept 20, 2022 12:19:41 GMT -5
Hey Jack, what percentage of a sellout do you consider selling poorly vs impressively? Like I say, her status as a dominating (domestic) touring force is often fired out to counter fans, non-fans and lapsed-fans pointing out the downward success trajectory of her recording career. A tour which, at time of writing, a third of the dates look below half sold at a casual glance doesn’t seem to me a huge hammer with which to bash away frustrations, concerns (or indeed, explanations) of career choices. What? I’m just wondering what percentage of a sellout do you consider to be good sales? Can you provide a percentage?
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Post by Hil on Sept 20, 2022 18:18:27 GMT -5
Why do you (Jack) continually come on Carrie forums just to be negative? I've yet to see you post one positive thing. Very strange to me. There are artists threads I don't visit because I'm not much of a fan, and don't have anything to add. Of course fans can be critical or have opinions, but as I said you've yet to have a positive one since I've started reading. Every time I see the titanic Icon, I think "oh, it's the sinking ship again."
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Post by Typo on Sept 20, 2022 19:25:56 GMT -5
Like I say, many things may happen next to avoid the above venues looking or being half full (the one in six weeks time, for instance, which is not February or March). They can close off the top tier, they can start doing giveaways and price reductions, and the 'smattering' of seats above (which even a quick glance represents thousands, perhaps tens of thousands if you extrapolate, and then consider the blind floor capacities) may well get snapped up. Or the tickets will be sold at full price up until the date of the show (5-6 months out for all but 1 of your examples). Look at the progression of how the OCT/NOV 2022 dates have sold since the tour announcement. Like why are you inventing all of these doomsday scenarios? This is not the My December World Tour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 21:46:24 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall the same thing happening with the Cry Pretty 360 Tour. The show I went to was in September. I checked ticket sales several months before, and it was not sold out - it wasn’t even close. I even checked close to the show as I was preparing to go (the same month), and was sad since it was not all sold out (maybe 65-70% sold). Ultimately my show ending up being sold out. (And we had a blast ;) )
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Post by daddy on Sept 21, 2022 2:02:40 GMT -5
Why do you (Jack) continually come on Carrie forums to be negative? I've yet to see you post one positive thing. Very strange to me. There are artists threads I don't visit because I'm not much of a fan, and don't have anything to add. Of course fans can be critical or have opinions, but as I said you've yet to have a positive one since I've started reading. Every time I see the titanic Icon, I think "oh, it's the sinking ship again." It is a very peculiar use of one’s time. They keep claiming other posters are dramatic when there’s very little drama until they post 😂 I get it's not a fan board. It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music or creative outputs. Still, this poster’s intention of discrediting Carrie’s achievements, regardless of what she does, is very clear, so I'm unsure how it adds much to the conversation. I've tried to ask them for a percentage of a concert sellout so we can look back once the numbers roll in and see if her numbers meet their definition of a successful tour, but they don’t seem to want to reply to that message. It's a discussion board, I've tried turning it into a sensible discussion, and instead, we’re just being... lectured? ...moaned at with the use of a thesaurus? Anyway, I, for one, wish I could fill one of those seats, but my visit to the US doesn't align with her dates. Does anyone think she’ll announce any shows in UK/Europe? I feel like it should be announced by now, and it's getting discouraging.
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Post by Jack on Sept 21, 2022 4:13:36 GMT -5
Why do you (Jack) continually come on Carrie forums just to be negative? Why do I come on to where, now? Is that where you think you are? What? I’m just wondering what percentage of a sellout do you consider to be good sales? Can you provide a percentage? "Percentage of a sell out"? Huh? These little gotcha mind-map exercises are attempts to make things sensible? Part of trying to make things sensible involves making sense. What percentage (or close to) of sold tickets would render a tour or date sold out? Hmm. That's a toughie. Here's another - is it a peculiar use of time or am I duty bound to have a timely response to a question that doesn't make sense in order to adequately explain myself at a tribunal (the word 'tri-bu-nal' means...)? For benefit of the doubt's sake, let's indulge the idea the question you've tried and failed to communicate is "what I consider to be exceptional sales for a touring artist on her level". Ones where a third of the dates are more than half sold? Does that sound like a good answer to the riddle? Now, if the lady at the corner shop sells some apples, how many apples do you consider to be a sell out percentage of apples? “Carrie continues to sell a solid amount of tickets in North America, especially in the bigger cities, but there are still a lot of unsold tickets for this tour. Maybe her single choice is in service of those, rather than charts etc.?" Is that palatable? I get it's not a fan board. It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music This is very generous. Please remind your new friend Hil, who does not understand point one. And please summon the courage of your convictions regarding point two (repeat "It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music" into the mirror every morning at least ten times, I promise you will begin to act more and more like you believe it to be true). Yes, Carrie is somebody I used to love. Yes I used to say so. I also happen to think - music wise - she is now by far the worst mainstream female recording artist Country Music, I find her voice has gotten shrill and poorly used, that the quality decline of her output is almost unmatched, and her remaining fanbase here are the kind of defensive, thin-skinned, reactionary, hyperbolic people reserved for Christina Aguilera in 2009, or Twitter in 2022. I don't go into her artist thread to say so. The song threads are for fans of charts of genres, not people spending the morning re-deciding what Denim and Rhinestones' 6th single will be. Continued playing pretend about the reasonableness of discourse surrounding Carrie - whether I'm part of it or not - is too, a peculiar use of time. Here, anything but damning praise and cheerleading about her, even from her fans, is scarcely tolerated. This is perfectly illustrated by the discussion of Ghost Stories performance over the year. Any slight or suggestion that seas of blue tickets for a tour is anything but a wonderful and boast-worthy thing, or that Ghost Story has run its course, illicits people squawking in rage. Trying to paint it as moderate, easy-going and temperate is a clumsy play. To recap. News of a new single gets announced. People react. I suggest that I've read people who aren't in the eye of the Carebear-storm have mentioned the tour's sales, and that the single choice might be in service of box office numbers rather than Spotify playlists. I was told to check the ticket sales on Ticketmaster. I did, I posted ("wait not THOSE dates, THESE ones.") and it showed, in blue and grey, vast sections of many dates unsold. And the typical, predictable, boring "WHY ARE YOU SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT CARRIE ON HER FORUM, she's slaying seethe jel hater!!" antics begins anew. I quite understand concluding something as innocuous as "maybe a single has been chosen to facilitate a tour" is worthy of tantrums in a world where "random sections of 'Charlie XCX fans" seeing the glass half empty about thousands of unsold tickets on a tour that begins next month are worthy of vague slur-like dismissals, or any less reliable than demographically comparable Carrie Underwood super-fans in similar spaces. It's the same world of an artist and her stans who routinely co-opt and appropriate accolades/nomenclatures of Beyoncé's, unapologetically and with a straight face. half a dozen people talking about Carrie like they’re on Idolforums in 2007 Like why are you inventing all of these doomsday scenarios? This is not the My December World Tour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 6:37:17 GMT -5
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My goodness… some of what was just said…too hateful and unnecessary lol
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Post by gardyfan on Sept 21, 2022 7:00:37 GMT -5
Why double down when you can triple down and quadruple down all in one post?????
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Post by daddy on Sept 21, 2022 7:22:31 GMT -5
It's giving me Kellyanne Conway
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 21, 2022 7:26:20 GMT -5
It's giving me Kellyanne Conway Okay, can we not compare someone here who overall seems perfectly fine to a genuinely awful person (Kellyanne Conway). Like the two are not remotely similar at all
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 21, 2022 7:38:05 GMT -5
Whew. Another good thing about Ghost Story nearing the end is we get a new thread. This thread has gotten a little lengthy compared to other artists lol.
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Post by 3chords on Sept 21, 2022 9:14:49 GMT -5
I hope the next thread is as entertaining as this one 😅
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Post by musicfan134 on Sept 21, 2022 14:16:33 GMT -5
I mean...I guess I don't see the big deal in what Jack is trying to say? They're saying maybe HMH is being selected to help the tour. Making a single choice with the tour in mind is absolutely in line with what Carrie has done in the past. Some of you went after them because they suggested the tour isn't selling well, the reality is, it doesn't look like it is doing as well as some of you claim it to be. I get these are 2023 dates, but you can't make a claim and then get defensive when that claim is countered and proven wrong. Let her stats and results speak for themselves.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Sept 21, 2022 15:45:34 GMT -5
I’m not seeing Hate My Heart being a tour sell though. I’d argue that there were other songs on the album would be better fit, if that was something they had in mind.
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Post by Hil on Sept 21, 2022 15:47:31 GMT -5
Why do you (Jack) continually come on Carrie forums just to be negative? Why do I come on to where, now? Is that where you think you are? What? I’m just wondering what percentage of a sellout do you consider to be good sales? Can you provide a percentage? "Percentage of a sell out"? Huh? These little gotcha mind-map exercises are attempts to make things sensible? Part of trying to make things sensible involves making sense. What percentage (or close to) of sold tickets would render a tour or date sold out? Hmm. That's a toughie. Here's another - is it a peculiar use of time or am I duty bound to have a timely response to a question that doesn't make sense in order to adequately explain myself at a tribunal (the word 'tri-bu-nal' means...)? For benefit of the doubt's sake, let's indulge the idea the question you've tried and failed to communicate is "what I consider to be exceptional sales for a touring artist on her level". Ones where a third of the dates are more than half sold? Does that sound like a good answer to the riddle? Now, if the lady at the corner shop sells some apples, how many apples do you consider to be a sell out percentage of apples? “Carrie continues to sell a solid amount of tickets in North America, especially in the bigger cities, but there are still a lot of unsold tickets for this tour. Maybe her single choice is in service of those, rather than charts etc.?" Is that palatable? I get it's not a fan board. It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music This is very generous. Please remind your new friend Hil, who does not understand point one. And please summon the courage of your convictions regarding point two (repeat "It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music" into the mirror every morning at least ten times, I promise you will begin to act more and more like you believe it to be true). Yes, Carrie is somebody I used to love. Yes I used to say so. I also happen to think - music wise - she is now by far the worst mainstream female recording artist Country Music, I find her voice has gotten shrill and poorly used, that the quality decline of her output is almost unmatched, and her remaining fanbase here are the kind of defensive, thin-skinned, reactionary, hyperbolic people reserved for Christina Aguilera in 2009, or Twitter in 2022. I don't go into her artist thread to say so. The song threads are for fans of charts of genres, not people spending the morning re-deciding what Denim and Rhinestones' 6th single will be. Continued playing pretend about the reasonableness of discourse surrounding Carrie - whether I'm part of it or not - is too, a peculiar use of time. Here, anything but damning praise and cheerleading about her, even from her fans, is scarcely tolerated. This is perfectly illustrated by the discussion of Ghost Stories performance over the year. Any slight or suggestion that seas of blue tickets for a tour is anything but a wonderful and boast-worthy thing, or that Ghost Story has run its course, illicits people squawking in rage. Trying to paint it as moderate, easy-going and temperate is a clumsy play. To recap. News of a new single gets announced. People react. I suggest that I've read people who aren't in the eye of the Carebear-storm have mentioned the tour's sales, and that the single choice might be in service of box office numbers rather than Spotify playlists. I was told to check the ticket sales on Ticketmaster. I did, I posted ("wait not THOSE dates, THESE ones.") and it showed, in blue and grey, vast sections of many dates unsold. And the typical, predictable, boring "WHY ARE YOU SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT CARRIE ON HER FORUM, she's slaying seethe jel hater!!" antics begins anew. I quite understand concluding something as innocuous as "maybe a single has been chosen to facilitate a tour" is worthy of tantrums in a world where "random sections of 'Charlie XCX fans" seeing the glass half empty about thousands of unsold tickets on a tour that begins next month are worthy of vague slur-like dismissals, or any less reliable than demographically comparable Carrie Underwood super-fans in similar spaces. It's the same world of an artist and her stans who routinely co-opt and appropriate accolades/nomenclatures of Beyoncé's, unapologetically and with a straight face. half a dozen people talking about Carrie like they’re on Idolforums in 2007 Like why are you inventing all of these doomsday scenarios? This is not the My December World Tour. Don't even have to read all it to know it's a bunch of hate-filled comments. I said Carrie forum (I should have said thread) in the aspect of this is a thread about her. Any post you have ever made in her "threads" have been negative. That's troll behavior.
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Post by daddy on Sept 21, 2022 16:04:22 GMT -5
I mean...I guess I don't see the big deal in what Jack is trying to say? They're saying maybe HMH is being selected to help the tour. Making a single choice with the tour in mind is absolutely in line with what Carrie has done in the past. Some of you went after them because they suggested the tour isn't selling well, the reality is, it doesn't look like it is doing as well as some of you claim it to be. I get these are 2023 dates, but you can't make a claim and then get defensive when that claim is countered and proven wrong. Let her stats and results speak for themselves. "I then thought to myself, ‘who is the more reliable narrator’…half a dozen people talking about Carrie like they’re on Idolforums in 2007, or passive Pop music fans?"
"Percentage of a sell out"? Huh? These little gotcha mind-map exercises are attempts to make things sensible? Part of trying to make things sensible involves making sense. What percentage (or close to) of sold tickets would render a tour or date sold out? Hmm. That's a toughie...or benefit of the doubt's sake, let's indulge the idea the question you've tried and failed to communicate is "what I consider to be exceptional sales for a touring artist on her level".
"Please remind your new friend Hil, who does not understand point one. And please summon the courage of your convictions regarding point two (repeat "It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music" into the mirror every morning at least ten times, I promise you will begin to act more and more like you believe it to be true)."
"I quite understand concluding something as innocuous as "maybe a single has been chosen to facilitate a tour" is worthy of tantrums in a world where "random sections of 'Charlie XCX fans" seeing the glass half empty about thousands of unsold tickets on a tour that begins next month are worthy of vague slur-like dismissals, or any less reliable than demographically comparable Carrie Underwood super-fans in similar spaces. It's the same world of an artist and her stans who routinely co-opt and appropriate accolades/nomenclatures of Beyoncé's, unapologetically and with a straight face."It's excerpts like these that are so presumptious and intentionally irking that illicit the responses from me, and I think it's safe to say, a few others. I just feel like Jack's intentions are clearly to stir the pot and get a rise, as I don't see any "tantrums" going on or much of what they're speaking of, other than in response to some of their posts, which seem to encourage these responses (troll behaviour). I found their initial post on the previous page completely fine, but their follow-up posts were quite frustrating.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Sept 21, 2022 16:15:53 GMT -5
I think 'Ghost Story' has performed well given that everyone thought it was going to not even make top 20 at first. As well, given it's slow start - I am happy it will most likely peak in the 6-9 range.
As to what the other poster is saying, I do not get the point of purposely entering a thread of an artist just to make negative remarks? I have had my issues with Carrie sharing certain personal beliefs this year, but I do not think it justifies coming into a Carrie Underwood thread being like "her tour isn't selling zomg". It's as simple as just not posting?
Either way happy HMH is the next single.
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Post by musicfan134 on Sept 21, 2022 16:43:26 GMT -5
I mean...I guess I don't see the big deal in what Jack is trying to say? They're saying maybe HMH is being selected to help the tour. Making a single choice with the tour in mind is absolutely in line with what Carrie has done in the past. Some of you went after them because they suggested the tour isn't selling well, the reality is, it doesn't look like it is doing as well as some of you claim it to be. I get these are 2023 dates, but you can't make a claim and then get defensive when that claim is countered and proven wrong. Let her stats and results speak for themselves. "I then thought to myself, ‘who is the more reliable narrator’…half a dozen people talking about Carrie like they’re on Idolforums in 2007, or passive Pop music fans?"
"Percentage of a sell out"? Huh? These little gotcha mind-map exercises are attempts to make things sensible? Part of trying to make things sensible involves making sense. What percentage (or close to) of sold tickets would render a tour or date sold out? Hmm. That's a toughie...or benefit of the doubt's sake, let's indulge the idea the question you've tried and failed to communicate is "what I consider to be exceptional sales for a touring artist on her level".
"Please remind your new friend Hil, who does not understand point one. And please summon the courage of your convictions regarding point two (repeat "It's absolutely fine to express negative feelings towards Carrie’s music" into the mirror every morning at least ten times, I promise you will begin to act more and more like you believe it to be true)."
"I quite understand concluding something as innocuous as "maybe a single has been chosen to facilitate a tour" is worthy of tantrums in a world where "random sections of 'Charlie XCX fans" seeing the glass half empty about thousands of unsold tickets on a tour that begins next month are worthy of vague slur-like dismissals, or any less reliable than demographically comparable Carrie Underwood super-fans in similar spaces. It's the same world of an artist and her stans who routinely co-opt and appropriate accolades/nomenclatures of Beyoncé's, unapologetically and with a straight face."It's excerpts like these that are so presumptious and intentionally irking that illicit the responses from me, and I think it's safe to say, a few others. I just feel like Jack's intentions are clearly to stir the pot and get a rise, as I don't see any "tantrums" going on or much of what they're speaking of, other than in response to some of their posts, which seem to encourage these responses (troll behaviour). I found their initial post on the previous page completely fine, but their follow-up posts were quite frustrating. Fair points. Sometimes it's not what we say but how we say it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 17:25:34 GMT -5
As to what the other poster is saying, I do not get the point of purposely entering a thread of an artist just to make negative remarks? I have had my issues with Carrie sharing certain personal beliefs this year, but I do not think it justifies coming into a Carrie Underwood thread being like "her tour isn't selling zomg". It's as simple as just not posting? Either way happy HMH is the next single. Me, personally, I was left more uncomfortable with the comments calling Carrie’s voice “shrill” and other unnecessarily nasty remarks about her. Her voice could sound different due to child birth which is not right to critique that nastily … and what does one gain from saying something like that? but I agree completely with your message.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Sept 22, 2022 3:36:49 GMT -5
Also .. I'm looking at tickets for all the tour dates at the beginning of the tour .. they're about 90% sold out. So again, I fail to see how people can say it's selling poorly?
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Post by lostsockno4 on Sept 22, 2022 7:37:49 GMT -5
All the dates I have looked at look mostly sold out to me…maybe 50 tickets left at each show. She seems to be doing great to me.
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Post by 3chords on Sept 22, 2022 9:21:01 GMT -5
Totally full arena or not Carrie is still the best-selling contemporary female ticket seller. Kelsea isn’t even filling up Radio City for her first show and album release in 2 days. The girls’ tours are all just slower than the top few boys unfortunately. I’m inclined to blame country radio.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Sept 22, 2022 17:59:59 GMT -5
Totally full arena or not Carrie is still the best-selling contemporary female ticket seller. Kelsea isn’t even filling up Radio City for her first show and album release in 2 days. The girls’ tours are all just slower than the top few boys unfortunately. I’m inclined to blame country radio. Country radio being sexist against female country artists? *gasps* I remember I did a research report (partially inspired by one of the great posters here) on how country radio basically fucks over female country artists careers, and my professor who has been studying the issue for decades essentially said radio is the reason we don't more female country artists reach the levels of Carrie and Taylor (pre-1989) nowadays.
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Post by desertfloods on Sept 22, 2022 19:27:22 GMT -5
I mean...I guess I don't see the big deal in what Jack is trying to say? They're saying maybe HMH is being selected to help the tour. Making a single choice with the tour in mind is absolutely in line with what Carrie has done in the past. Some of you went after them because they suggested the tour isn't selling well, the reality is, it doesn't look like it is doing as well as some of you claim it to be. I get these are 2023 dates, but you can't make a claim and then get defensive when that claim is countered and proven wrong. Let her stats and results speak for themselves. I don't see anything wrong with Jack's initial comment either. It's possible that HMH was chosen with probably even a tour music video in mind (eye roll). But I sure hope not!
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 26, 2022 22:14:44 GMT -5
This officially out peaked “Cry Pretty” by making it to #8 on country Airplay. Let’s see if it can manage a couple spots higher at least with its push week coming up.
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