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Post by After Minutes on Apr 15, 2022 12:30:06 GMT -5
Honestly if we look at the two, it does seem as if commercially Abel and Post are recently having pretty similar trajectories.
Heartless = Goodbyes Blinding Lights = Circles Save Your Tears = Sunflower
and now both of them on One Right Now.
They are the two biggest artists to have blown up in the 2015-2017 era, which in my mind is a very specific time for music (streaming was on the rise, but it didn't dominate as in the latter years). There are many more similarities between them:
they are similarly popular with the pop audience as the urban audience, Post started really popping off in 2017-2019, when Abel wasn't putting out much music, they are probably the two biggest artists who use tiktok as a marketing tool the most reluctantly, generally they are two of the most successful hitmakers at the moment, and yet neither ever debuted at #1 and their strength comes from longevity rather than huge numbers, they are also known for being strong on both streaming and radio.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 15, 2022 12:38:16 GMT -5
US Spotify - Week 04/14/22
1(DEBUT) Jack Harlow - First Class 24,422,351 2(-1) Harry Styles - As It Was 17,060,280 3(-1) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 6,245,871 4(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 4,790,002 5(-2) The Kid LAROI - STAY 4,374,687 6(+15) Jack Harlow - Nail Tech 4,278,162 7(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 4,256,875 8(=) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 4,098,501 9(=) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 4,012,159 10(DEBUT) Lil Baby - Right On 3,936,073
11(=) Doja Cat - Woman 3,926,187 12(-6) Carolina Gaitán - La Gaita, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz, Encanto Cast- We Don't Talk About Bruno 3,850,745 13(-3) Justin Bieber - Ghost 3,787,423 16(-1) Doja Cat - Need to Know 3,543,975 17(-10) Lil Tjay - In My Head 3,528,251 18(+15) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 3,436,778 19(-3) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 3,421,529 20(-6) The Walters - I Love You So 3,324,776 21(-2) Arctic Monkeys - 505 3,295,329 22(-4) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 3,240,227 23(=) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 3,181,387 28(+1) Tyler the Creator - See You Again 3,039,101 30(+14) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 3,018,393 32(-4) Yeat - Monëy so big 2,963,970 33(-8) Gunna, Future - pushin P 2,951,049 34(-22) Shawn Mendes - When You're Gone 2,848,139 35(=) Frank Ocean - Lost 2,758,173 38(-8) GAYLE - abcdefu 2,730,710 39(+9) Lil Durk - Broadway Girls 2,698,632 40(+11) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 2,692,799 41(+17) Charlie Puth - Light Switch 2,686,726 42(-6) Becky G, KAROL G - MAMIII 2,652,121 44(-6) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 2,603,082 45(-2) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 2,585,458 47(=) Tyler the Creator - NEW MAGIC WAND 2,536,850 49(+1) Post Malone - One Right Now 2,489,642 52(-12) Yahritza Y Su Esencia - Soy El Unico 2,434,146 53(-1) Dua Lipa - Levitating 2,381,872 54(-8) AnnenMayKantereit, Giant Rooks - Tom's Diner 2,363,437 55(+60) Lil Durk - What Happened To Virgil 2,358,807 58(DEBUT) BIA, J. Cole - LONDON 2,317,274 61(-7) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 2,285,269 62(-7) The Rare Occasions - Notion 2,273,993 65(-5) Latto - Big Energy 2,232,802 70(DEBUT) Charlie Puth - That's Hilarious 2,215,746 71(-11) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 2,205,091 72(-3) Lauren Spencer-Smith - Fingers Crossed 2,169,261 74(+14) Tiësto, Ava Max - The Motto 2,161,095 81(DEBUT) Camila Cabello, WILLOW - psychofreak 2,120,283 84(-3) Ruth B. - Dandelions 2,083,431 86(DEBUT) Lil Baby - In A Minute 2,069,177 89(-11) Beach House - Space Song 2,054,464 95(-12) Gunna - Banking On Me 2,007,636 97(-13) SZA - I Hate U 2,006,099 98(-4) The Neighbourhood - Softcore 1,989,294
101(-29) Gunna - P power 1,971,046 103(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 1,960,579 106(+28) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 1,939,196 107(-51) Kevin Gates - Thinking with My Dick 1,931,492 108(-5) Playboi Carti - Sky 1,931,134 112(-21) BoyWithUke - IDGAF 1,891,638 113(DEBUT) Cafuné - Tek It 1,884,670 115(+20) Morgan Wallen - Sand in My Boots 1,877,773 116(+3) Nardo Wick - Me or Sum 1,864,461 119(DEBUT) CORPSE, OmenXIII - POLTERGEIST! 1,859,542 120(DEBUT) Jack Harlow, jetsonmade - I WANNA SEE SOME ASS 1,857,324 121(+35) ERNEST - Flower Shops 1,856,297 129(+45) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 1,838,316 132(-36) 4*TOWN (From Disney and Pixar’s Turning Red), Jordan Fisher, Finneas O'Connell, Josh Levi, Topher Ngo, Grayson Villanueva - Nobody Like U 1,827,178 133(-31) Anitta - Envolver 1,813,764 135(-35) Foo Fighters - Everlong 1,805,395 137(re-entry) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 1,802,579 141(-15) Vundabar - Alien Blues 1,789,144 142(+12) Russ - HANDSOMER Remix 1,785,799 148(-47) Yeat - Poppin 1,759,069 155(DEBUT) Fivio Foreign, Vory, Polo G - Changed On Me 1,722,725 157(re-entry) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN 1,719,582 163(DEBUT) Pusha T, JAY-Z, Pharrell Williams - Neck & Wrist 1,700,908 165(-10) Tyler the Creator - Come On, Let's Go 1,691,353 166(+6) Rauw Alejandro, Chencho Corleone - Desesperados 1,690,694 174(re-entry) Fivio Foreign, Kanye West, Alicia Keys - City of Gods 1,651,102 177(-53) Labrinth - Mount Everest 1,642,259 178(re-entry) The Weeknd - Out of Time 1,640,815 180(re-entry) Jack Harlow - WHATS POPPIN Remix 1,638,399 189(re-entry) Gucci Mane, Lil Durk - Rumors 1,605,811 190(-93) Machine Gun Kelly - make up sex 1,599,689 193(-9) Imagine Dragons - Bones 1,589,861 194(re-entry) Daddy Yankee, Bad Bunny - X ÚLTIMA VEZ 1,588,748 195(-2) JVKE - this is what falling in love feels like 1,581,163 197(-47) Lil Durk - AHHH HA 1,578,984 198(=) Vacations - Young 1,571,116
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 3,798,895
The big story is the surprise smash of First Class and with a bunch of Jack's hits re-enter and Nail Tech rebounded by 32%. Outside of that, Bam Bam gained 22% thanks to her album dropping (and I just reminded everyone Camila dropped an album last Friday), Wait a Minute rises 15%, Wasted on You gets 7%, Light Switch got 18% off of That's Hilarious dropping (though with radio dropping the song prematurely, it might not be enough to stop it falling fast), 'Til You Can't gets some streaming momentum by getting a 7% increase, and in the second biggest rise this week: it seems What Happened to Vergil is gaining big on Spotify being up 25%, in order to match it's dominance on AM.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 15, 2022 13:43:46 GMT -5
Finally! Hopefully, Future will push Levitating to recurrency:
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 15, 2022 13:53:10 GMT -5
So Lil Baby doesn't get a top ten debut? Hope he brings some new blood in top 20 at least.
That said, the streams of the two tracks were very underwhelming, around 14M for both according to HDD.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 15, 2022 15:19:14 GMT -5
Honestly if we look at the two, it does seem as if commercially Abel and Post are recently having pretty similar trajectories. Heartless = Goodbyes Blinding Lights = Circles Save Your Tears = Sunflower and now both of them on One Right Now. They are the two biggest artists to have blown up in the 2015-2017 era, which in my mind is a very specific time for music (streaming was on the rise, but it didn't dominate as in the latter years). There are many more similarities between them: they are similarly popular with the pop audience as the urban audience, Post started really popping off in 2017-2019, when Abel wasn't putting out much music, they are probably the two biggest artists who use tiktok as a marketing tool the most reluctantly, generally they are two of the most successful hitmakers at the moment, and yet neither ever debuted at #1 and their strength comes from longevity rather than huge numbers, they are also known for being strong on both streaming and radio. This has honestly been an issue for a couple years now, even outside Post and Abel. Artists getting huge hits that overstay their welcome and then failing to follow-up them up with something just as huge. Halsey has struggled to find another hit after Without Me's immense success, same deal as Khalid after Talk and Marshmello after Happier. You can even go back further a bit further and see Katy Perry's struggle to get another big hit after Dark Horse. It's a bizarre situation but makes sense with how fast people can get sick of something after a year of hearing it constantly, and those hits were some of the biggest songs of their respective years. We'll see how The Kid Laroi does with his follow-up to Stay, but honestly I can see the same thing happening to him as well. Of course The Weeknd and Post Malone are bigger than most of those artists I mentioned, so I don't know. I think in Post's case, he actually has the opposite problem than Abel, dude took way too much time off and people seemed to just not care about his comeback and subsequent single. Maybe he can get another big hit with something better off the album, but it seems like Posty is past his prime unfortunately.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 15, 2022 15:50:05 GMT -5
HITS' streaming chart has arrived. Those are some- ahem- first class numbers for Jack Harlow. hitsdailydouble.com/streaming_songsOVERALL SONG STREAMSChart Date: 04/15/2022 (WEEK ENDING: 04/14/2022) MARKETSHARE: UMG 36% SME 33% WMG 28% OTHERS 3% LW TW Artist / Album Label Streams % Change -- 1 JACK HARLOW FIRST CLASS GENERATION NOW/ATLANTI C 53,300,961 -- 1 2 HARRY STYLES AS IT WAS COLUMBIA 29,352,600 -27% -- 3 LIL BABY RIGHT ON QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN 14,163,215 -- -- 4 LIL BABY IN A MINUTE QUALITY CONTROL/MOTOWN 13,895,045 -- 2 5 GLASS ANIMALS HEAT WAVES POLYDOR/REPUBLIC 13,186,045 -1% 3 6 KODAK BLACK SUPER GREMLIN ATLANTIC 12,212,390 -2% 4 7 ENCANTO CAST WE DON'T TALK ABOUT BRUNO WALT DISNEY 10,604,318 -10% 6 8 LIL DURK FEAT. GUNNA WHAT HAPPENED TO VIRGIL ALAMO/SME 9,317,959 0% 36 9 JACK HARLOW NAIL TECH GENERATION NOW/ATLANTIC 8,977,782 52% 11 10 LIL NAS X & JACK HARLOW INDUSTRY BABY COLUMBIA 8,953,947 11% 7 11 IMAGINE DRAGONS FEAT. JID & LEAGUE OF LEGENDS ENEMY KIDINAKORNER/INTERSCOPE 8,948,889 -1% 8 12 THE KID LAROI & JUSTIN BIEBER STAY COLUMBIA 8,626,487 -2% 10 13 GAYLE ABCDEFU ATLANTIC 7,743,223 -4% 9 14 LATTO BIG ENERGY STREAMCUT/RCA 7,681,360 -12% 13 15 DRAKE FEAT. 21 SAVAGE & PROJECT PAT KNIFE TALK OVO/REPUBLIC 7,368,424 -1% 17 16 WEEKND SAVE YOUR TEARS XO/REPUBLIC 7,283,369 2% 14 17 OLIVIA RODRIGO GOOD 4 U GEFFEN 7,171,499 -3% 16 18 JUSTIN BIEBER GHOST RBMG/DEF JAM 7,159,702 -1% 15 19 ELTON JOHN & DUA LIPA COLD HEART INTERSCOPE 7,158,857 -2% 12 20 GUNNA & FUTURE FEAT. YOUNG THUG PUSHIN P YOUNG STONER LIFE/ELEKTRA 7,093,888 -7% 22 21 ED SHEERAN SHIVERS ATLANTIC 7,047,626 1% -- 22 RUSS HANDSOMER DIEMON 6,945,845 -- 19 23 BILLIE EILISH HAPPIER THAN EVER DARKROOM/INTERSCOPE 6,885,480 -2% 43 24 CAMILA CABELLO FEAT. ED SHEERAN BAM BAM EPIC 6,880,853 19% 5 25 LIL TJAY IN MY HEAD COLUMBIA 6,870,214 -32% 25 26 LIL DURK FEAT. MORGAN WALLEN BROADWAY GIRLS ALAMO/SME 6,782,372 0% 24 27 DUA LIPA FEAT. DABABY LEVITATING WARNER 6,759,907 -2% 26 28 BECKY G X KAROL G MAMIII KEMOSABE/RCA 6,426,351 -5% -- 29 JACK HARLOW WHATS POPPIN GENERATION NOW/ATLANTIC 6,394,787 -- 35 30 MORGAN WALLEN WASTED ON YOU BIG LOUD/REPUBLIC 6,319,233 7% 30 31 DOJA CAT WOMAN KEMOSABE/RCA 6,310,619 1% 32 32 J. COLE NO ROLE MODELZ ROC NATION/COLUMBIA 6,290,302 2% 20 33 LIL DURK AHHH HA ALAMO/SME 6,254,747 -11% 28 34 DOJA CAT NEED TO KNOW KEMOSABE/RCA 6,233,977 -2% 27 35 ED SHEERAN BAD HABITS ATLANTIC 6,210,788 -3% 40 36 CODY JOHNSON TIL YOU CAN'T COJO/WARNER NASHVILLE 6,195,249 7% 29 37 EM BEIHOLD NUMB LITTLE BUG MOON PROJECTS/REPUBLIC 6,162,661 -2% 37 38 LUKE COMBS DOIN' THIS RIVER HOUSE/COLUMBIA NASHVILLE 6,011,050 2% 34 39 JORDAN DAVIS FEAT. LUKE BRYAN BUY DIRT MCA NASHVILLE 5,877,915 -1% 21 40 JESSICA DARROW SURFACE PRESSURE WALT DISNEY 5,823,097 -17% 42 41 THE WEEKND BLINDING LIGHTS XO/REPUBLIC 5,821,636 1% 23 42 YAHRITZA Y SU ESENCIA SOY EL UNICO LUMBRE 5,743,049 -17% 44 43 OLIVIA RODRIGO TRAITOR GEFFEN 5,715,399 0% 38 44 ADELE EASY ON ME COLUMBIA 5,649,138 -4% 41 45 DOVE CAMERON BOYFRIEND DISRUPTOR/COLUMBIA 5,626,575 -3% 48 46 POST MALONE & SWAE LEE SUNFLOWER REPUBLIC 5,600,095 1% -- 47 CHRIS STAPLETON TENNESSEE WHISKEY MERCURY NASHVILLE 5,520,681 -- -- 48 WALKER HAYES FANCY LIKE MONUMENT 5,498,739 -- -- 49 MORGAN WALLEN WHISKEY GLASSES BIG LOUD 5,465,387 -- 47 50 LIL NAS X THATS WHAT I WANT COLUMBIA 5,449,874 -4%
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 15, 2022 21:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by nathanalbright on Apr 15, 2022 21:42:38 GMT -5
Where are all the other top ten debuts?
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Post by After Minutes on Apr 16, 2022 1:24:27 GMT -5
Honestly if we look at the two, it does seem as if commercially Abel and Post are recently having pretty similar trajectories. Heartless = Goodbyes Blinding Lights = Circles Save Your Tears = Sunflower and now both of them on One Right Now. They are the two biggest artists to have blown up in the 2015-2017 era, which in my mind is a very specific time for music (streaming was on the rise, but it didn't dominate as in the latter years). There are many more similarities between them: they are similarly popular with the pop audience as the urban audience, Post started really popping off in 2017-2019, when Abel wasn't putting out much music, they are probably the two biggest artists who use tiktok as a marketing tool the most reluctantly, generally they are two of the most successful hitmakers at the moment, and yet neither ever debuted at #1 and their strength comes from longevity rather than huge numbers, they are also known for being strong on both streaming and radio. This has honestly been an issue for a couple years now, even outside Post and Abel. Artists getting huge hits that overstay their welcome and then failing to follow-up them up with something just as huge. Halsey has struggled to find another hit after Without Me's immense success, same deal as Khalid after Talk and Marshmello after Happier. You can even go back further a bit further and see Katy Perry's struggle to get another big hit after Dark Horse. It's a bizarre situation but makes sense with how fast people can get sick of something after a year of hearing it constantly, and those hits were some of the biggest songs of their respective years. We'll see how The Kid Laroi does with his follow-up to Stay, but honestly I can see the same thing happening to him as well. Of course The Weeknd and Post Malone are bigger than most of those artists I mentioned, so I don't know. I think in Post's case, he actually has the opposite problem than Abel, dude took way too much time off and people seemed to just not care about his comeback and subsequent single. Maybe he can get another big hit with something better off the album, but it seems like Posty is past his prime unfortunately. I'm not worried about Abel. He has a growing, extremely diverse catalogue of music that people adore, he has a very precise artistic vision and a very loyal core fanbase. While he probably won't have a hit as big as Blinding Lights in the future, I think that, commercially, he'll be more than well off. I could see him going down a path similar to Kanye or J Cole, where their newer singles are theoretically less successful and they don't really have big hits anymore, but they have very strong catalogue streams, their new albums do very well critically and commercially and they are top 5 names in their genre, despite their success being based more on their ability to sustain interest in the entirety of their music, rather than pushing new singles. However, I do think that Abel can still get a few top 10 hits. It's to be seen, but I do think that Out of Time has a chance of rising into the top 20/top 10 by summer, if it gets a boost off Coachella (which it should, especially if the performance is as memorable as The Weeknd is making it out to be. Honestly, what this song needs the most is for Save Your Tears to just die on radio. Abel has two big songs there, Save Your Tears and One Right Now, which makes pushing a third single almost impossible). Post is in a different position because I just don't think he's as interested in music as Abel, and he doesn't seem to be as beloved (neither by the GP nor a core audience). I do think he should be okay commercially, but he's clearly hit a peak. I suspect that Hollywood was his peak for singles, while this album will be his peak for album performance. He won't fade as harshly as Katy or whoever, but I don't expect him to have massive hits after this era. If they happen, which they might, they won't be on Rockstar's, Sunflower's or Circles' level of success. More likely, they'll do numbers closer to Goodbyes or One Right Now, which are decent hits, but not really huge. Jack Harlow is filling in his role on streaming (basically both are the go-to rapper for fratboys) while Lil Nas X is replacing him on the radio (he, on the other hand, is the "melodic enough rapper whom people that don't like rap like").
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 16, 2022 3:52:34 GMT -5
You are suggesting that the new Post Malone album will do better than Beerbongs and HB?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Apr 16, 2022 5:32:02 GMT -5
You are suggesting that the new Post Malone album will do better than Beerbongs and HB? Yeah, I don't get how anyone can say that. Post Malone's massive singles have always fueled the long-term performance of his albums and if he doesn't score any huge, long-standing singles with great recurrent streams like he's done with his last 3 albums, his next album won't have nearly as much longevity performance-wise. The debut for his next album should be the lowest since the debut for Stoney and I think it'll be his worst-performing album (so far). There seems to be zero interest and zero anticipation for new Post Malone music and I think that'll be reflected whenever he drops his next album. With that being said, he should still be fine in terms of touring and stuff. He's smart to have established himself as an arena veteran as quickly as he did.
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Post by gs on Apr 16, 2022 6:34:45 GMT -5
This has honestly been an issue for a couple years now, even outside Post and Abel. Artists getting huge hits that overstay their welcome and then failing to follow-up them up with something just as huge. Halsey has struggled to find another hit after Without Me's immense success, same deal as Khalid after Talk and Marshmello after Happier. You can even go back further a bit further and see Katy Perry's struggle to get another big hit after Dark Horse. It's a bizarre situation but makes sense with how fast people can get sick of something after a year of hearing it constantly, and those hits were some of the biggest songs of their respective years. We'll see how The Kid Laroi does with his follow-up to Stay, but honestly I can see the same thing happening to him as well. Of course The Weeknd and Post Malone are bigger than most of those artists I mentioned, so I don't know. I think in Post's case, he actually has the opposite problem than Abel, dude took way too much time off and people seemed to just not care about his comeback and subsequent single. Maybe he can get another big hit with something better off the album, but it seems like Posty is past his prime unfortunately. I'm not worried about Abel. He has a growing, extremely diverse catalogue of music that people adore, he has a very precise artistic vision and a very loyal core fanbase. While he probably won't have a hit as big as Blinding Lights in the future, I think that, commercially, he'll be more than well off. I could see him going down a path similar to Kanye or J Cole, where their newer singles are theoretically less successful and they don't really have big hits anymore, but they have very strong catalogue streams, their new albums do very well critically and commercially and they are top 5 names in their genre, despite their success being based more on their ability to sustain interest in the entirety of their music, rather than pushing new singles. However, I do think that Abel can still get a few top 10 hits. It's to be seen, but I do think that Out of Time has a chance of rising into the top 20/top 10 by summer, if it gets a boost off Coachella (which it should, especially if the performance is as memorable as The Weeknd is making it out to be. Honestly, what this song needs the most is for Save Your Tears to just die on radio. Abel has two big songs there, Save Your Tears and One Right Now, which makes pushing a third single almost impossible). Post is in a different position because I just don't think he's as interested in music as Abel, and he doesn't seem to be as beloved (neither by the GP nor a core audience). I do think he should be okay commercially, but he's clearly hit a peak. I suspect that Hollywood was his peak for singles, while this album will be his peak for album performance. He won't fade as harshly as Katy or whoever, but I don't expect him to have massive hits after this era. If they happen, which they might, they won't be on Rockstar's, Sunflower's or Circles' level of success. More likely, they'll do numbers closer to Goodbyes or One Right Now, which are decent hits, but not really huge. Jack Harlow is filling in his role on streaming (basically both are the go-to rapper for fratboys) while Lil Nas X is replacing him on the radio (he, on the other hand, is the "melodic enough rapper whom people that don't like rap like"). Ugh if true, this is depressing because Jack Harlow's solo music is boring as hell, nowhere near the level of Post's huge hits. 'First Class' was 1 stream and done for me The Kid LAROI's music also feels like a budget version of Post's (with a much worse singing voice), so that's equally depressing. I hope he can come up with a huge single and restore his interest in the GP (even though he doesn't seem to care about music anymore)
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 6:41:58 GMT -5
Honestly if we look at the two, it does seem as if commercially Abel and Post are recently having pretty similar trajectories. Heartless = Goodbyes Blinding Lights = Circles Save Your Tears = Sunflower and now both of them on One Right Now. They are the two biggest artists to have blown up in the 2015-2017 era, which in my mind is a very specific time for music (streaming was on the rise, but it didn't dominate as in the latter years). There are many more similarities between them: they are similarly popular with the pop audience as the urban audience, Post started really popping off in 2017-2019, when Abel wasn't putting out much music, they are probably the two biggest artists who use tiktok as a marketing tool the most reluctantly, generally they are two of the most successful hitmakers at the moment, and yet neither ever debuted at #1 and their strength comes from longevity rather than huge numbers, they are also known for being strong on both streaming and radio. This has honestly been an issue for a couple years now, even outside Post and Abel. Artists getting huge hits that overstay their welcome and then failing to follow-up them up with something just as huge. Halsey has struggled to find another hit after Without Me's immense success, same deal as Khalid after Talk and Marshmello after Happier. You can even go back further a bit further and see Katy Perry's struggle to get another big hit after Dark Horse. It's a bizarre situation but makes sense with how fast people can get sick of something after a year of hearing it constantly, and those hits were some of the biggest songs of their respective years. We'll see how The Kid Laroi does with his follow-up to Stay, but honestly I can see the same thing happening to him as well. Of course The Weeknd and Post Malone are bigger than most of those artists I mentioned, so I don't know. I think in Post's case, he actually has the opposite problem than Abel, dude took way too much time off and people seemed to just not care about his comeback and subsequent single. Maybe he can get another big hit with something better off the album, but it seems like Posty is past his prime unfortunately. Some of that is...choosing to see it a certain way? The Weekend was able to have a huge hit with "Save Your Tears" after "Blinding Lights," so having a big hit that overstayed its welcome didn't prevent him from another. Ed Sheeran has had a lot of long-running hits. Dua Lipa has had several long running hits, so do you note she had "Levitating" not too long after "Don't Start Now," or do you note nothing has stuck around since "Levitating" (except the Elton John collaboration)? Maybe Khalid and Marshmello were just be one hit wonders, in a sense.
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Post by ontopofthis on Apr 16, 2022 10:07:29 GMT -5
The Weeknd and Post Malone are not similar because The Weeknd has had an album in the top for all of the year thus far, even though it is not his new one. The person who is saying that the After Hours era is still over shadowing his new one is more reasonable
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 16, 2022 12:25:29 GMT -5
This has honestly been an issue for a couple years now, even outside Post and Abel. Artists getting huge hits that overstay their welcome and then failing to follow-up them up with something just as huge. Halsey has struggled to find another hit after Without Me's immense success, same deal as Khalid after Talk and Marshmello after Happier. You can even go back further a bit further and see Katy Perry's struggle to get another big hit after Dark Horse. It's a bizarre situation but makes sense with how fast people can get sick of something after a year of hearing it constantly, and those hits were some of the biggest songs of their respective years. We'll see how The Kid Laroi does with his follow-up to Stay, but honestly I can see the same thing happening to him as well. Of course The Weeknd and Post Malone are bigger than most of those artists I mentioned, so I don't know. I think in Post's case, he actually has the opposite problem than Abel, dude took way too much time off and people seemed to just not care about his comeback and subsequent single. Maybe he can get another big hit with something better off the album, but it seems like Posty is past his prime unfortunately. Some of that is...choosing to see it a certain way? The Weekend was able to have a huge hit with "Save Your Tears" after "Blinding Lights," so having a big hit that overstayed its welcome didn't prevent him from another. Ed Sheeran has had a lot of long-running hits. Dua Lipa has had several long running hits, so do you note she had "Levitating" not too long after "Don't Start Now," or do you note nothing has stuck around since "Levitating" (except the Elton John collaboration)? Maybe Khalid and Marshmello were just be one hit wonders, in a sense. It doesn't happen always, it's just what I've observed recently. Artists getting long-running hits than failing to follow them up, but at the same time artists like Khalid and Marshmello already had massive years before their biggest hits, which probably made people sick of them in the first place. It's all just theories being thrown around because nobody really knows why an artist will be on top and then just... not. In the case of BL/SYT, both of those tracks sound different from each other while Take My Breath and Sacrifice are pretty similar to Blinding Lights enough that people don't wanna hear that sound again after being hounded by BL for 2 years.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Apr 16, 2022 16:20:49 GMT -5
If Post’s new album continues the distorted guitar/rock-trap hybrid he had going with his last album, I think it stands a chance. If he’s truly lost motivation and regressed to his older style (Motley Crew was certainly a concerning indicator), it’s gonna be a flop for the books and his career will be over
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 16, 2022 21:14:13 GMT -5
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fridayteenage
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 16, 2022 22:03:21 GMT -5
Youtube weekly US: 1 We Don't Talk About Bruno Carolina Gaitán - La Gaita, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz & Encanto - Cast 9M
2 Super Gremlin Kodak Black 6.69M
3 In A Minute Lil Baby 6.5M
4 First Class Jack Harlow 5.16M
5 Nobody Like U 4*TOWN (From Disney and Pixar’s Turning Red) 5.09M
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Post by After Minutes on Apr 17, 2022 8:23:12 GMT -5
You are suggesting that the new Post Malone album will do better than Beerbongs and HB? I'm not suggesting that it would do much better, but if it's a good album that latches onto people then I think that it could perform moderately better. Post's problem is that he genuinely never had much going for him outside his singles, which kinda reflected in his albums being nowhere the bombs that they could be in the first place. If he dips into rock, gets inspired by the punk revival, perhaps features Olivia Rodrigo or if the rumors about Omar Fedi being heavily featured on the song then I could see it having much more moments that could grab the public's interest than his previous works.
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Soulsista
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Post by Soulsista on Apr 17, 2022 10:53:17 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
April 21, 1962
01 02 Good Luck Charm - Elvis Presley (1st of 2 weeks at #1) 02 01 Johnny Angel - Shelley Fabares 03 04 Mashed Potato Time - Dee Dee Sharp 04 03 Slow Twistin' - Chubby Checker w/Dee Dee Sharp 05 06 Young World - Rick Nelson 06 11 Soldier Boy - The Shirelles 07 08 Lover Please - Clyde McPhatter 08 05 Love Letters - Kitty Lester 09 14 Shout (Part 1) - Joey Dee & The Starlighters 10 19 Stranger On The Shore - Mr. Acker Bilk
April 22, 1967
01 01 Somethin' Stupid - Nancy & Frank Sinatra (2nd of 4 weeks at #1) 02 02 Happy Together - The Turtles 03 05 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You - The Monkees 04 07 I Think We're Alone Now - Tommy James & The Shondells 05 06 Western Union - The Five Americans 06 03 This Is My Song - Petula Clark 07 11 Sweet Soul Music - Arthur Conley 08 04 Bernadette - The Four Tops 09 09 I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You) - Aretha Franklin 10 10 Jimmy Mack - Martha & The Vandellas
18 38 You've Got What It Takes - The Dave Clark Five
April 22, 1972
01 01 The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Roberta Flack (2nd of 6 weeks at #1) 02 04 Rockin' Robin - Michael Jackson 03 03 I Gotcha - Joe Tex 04 02 A Horse With No Name - America 05 06 In The Rain - The Dramatics 06 08 Betcha By Golly, Wow - The Stylistics 07 09 Day Dreaming - Aretha Franklin 08 05 Heart Of Gold - Neil Young 09 10 A Cowboy's Work Is Never Done - Sonny & Cher 10 16 Doctor My Eyes - Jackson Browne
April 23, 1977
01 02 Don't Leave Me This Way - Thelma Houston (1st and only week at #1) 02 03 Southern Nights - Glen Campbell 03 04 Hotel California - The Eagles 04 01 Don't Give Up On Us - David Soul 05 05 The Things We Do For Love - 10cc 06 07 I've Got Love On My Mind - Natalie Cole 07 08 Love Theme From A Star Is Born (Evergreen) - Barbra Streisand 08 09 So In To You - The Atlanta Rhythm Section 09 13 When I Need You - Leo Sayer 10 11 Right Time Of The Night - Jennifer Warnes
April 24, 1982
01 01 I Love Rock & Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts (6th of 7 weeks at #1) 02 02 We Got The Beat - The Go-Go's 03 03 Chariots Of Fire - Vangelis 04 04 Freeze-Frame - The J. Geils Band 05 06 Don't Talk To Strangers - Rick Springfield 06 21 Ebony And Ivory - Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder 07 07 Do You Believe In Love - Huey Lewis & The News 08 08 Key Largo - Bertie Higgins 09 13 '65 Love Affair - Paul Davis 10 15 867-5309 / Jenny - Tommy Tutone
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Soulsista
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Post by Soulsista on Apr 17, 2022 11:07:34 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
April 25, 1987
01 01 I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me) - Aretha Franklin & George Michael (2nd and final week at #1) 02 03 Don't Dream It's Over - Crowded House 03 04 Sign O' The Times - Prince 04 06 Looking For a New Love - Jody Watley 05 10 (I Just) Died In Your Arms - Cutting Crew 06 02 Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now - Starship 07 12 La Isla Bonita - Madonna 08 08 The Finer Things - Steve Winwood 09 05 Midnight Blue - Lou Gramm 10 13 With Or Without You - U2
April 25, 1992
01 03 Jump - Kris Kross (1st of 8 weeks at #1) 02 01 Save The Best For Last - Vanessa Williams 03 02 Tears In Heaven - Eric Clapton 04 04 Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen 05 08 My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It) - En Vogue 06 07 Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg - TLC 07 06 Make It Happen - Mariah Carey 08 05 Masterpiece - Atlantic Starr 09 12 Hazard - Richard Marx 10 14 Live And Learn - Joe Public
15 52 Everything About You - Ugly Kid Joe
April 26, 1997
01 01 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy feat. Mase (6th and final week at #1) 02 NE Hypnotize - The Notorious B.I.G. 03 02 You Were Meant For Me - Jewel 04 04 For You I Will - Monica 05 03 Wannabe - The Spice Girls 06 06 I Want You - Savage Garden 07 05 All By Myself - Celine Dion 08 12 Return Of The Mack - Mack Morrison 09 11 Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Az Yet feat. Peter Cetera 10 16 Where Have All The Cowboys Gone? - Paula Cole
April 20, 2002
01 03 Foolish - Ashanti (1st of 10 weeks at #1) 02 02 What's Luv? - Fat Joe feat. Ashanti 03 01 Ain't It Funny - Jennifer Lopez feat. Ja Rule 04 06 U Don't Have To Call - Usher 05 05 Girlfriend - *NSYNC feat. Nelly 06 07 Blurry - Puddle Of Mudd 07 04 In The End - Linkin Park 08 08 Oops (Oh My) - Tweet 09 09 How You Remind Me - Nickelback 10 13 A Thousand Miles - Vanessa Carlton
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Post by iHype. on Apr 17, 2022 11:15:39 GMT -5
April 26, 199701 01 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy feat. Mase (6th and final week at #1)02 NE Hypnotize - The Notorious B.I.G. Puff’s dominance on Hot 100 this entire year (via as an artist and songwriter/producer) was insane.
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Soulsista
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Post by Soulsista on Apr 17, 2022 11:24:33 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
April 21, 2007
01 42 Give It To Me - Timbaland feat. Nelly Furtado & Justin Timberlake (1st of 2 weeks at #1) 02 01 Don't Matter - Akon 03 02 The Sweet Escape - Gwen Stefani feat. Akon 04 04 Glamorous - Fergie feat. Ludacris 05 03 This Is Why I'm Hot - Mims 06 05 Girlfriend - Avril Lavigne 07 NE What I've Done - Linkin Park 08 07 Cupid's Chokehold - Gym Class Heroes feat. Patrick Stump 09 06 Beautiful Liar - Beyonce & Shakira 10 14 Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin') - T-Pain feat. Yung Joc
April 21, 2012
01 01 We Are Young - fun. feat. Janelle Monae (6th and final week at #1) 02 03 Somebody That I Used To Know - Gotye feat. Kimbra 03 04 Glad You Came - The Wanted 04 09 What Makes You Beautiful - One Direction 05 02 Boyfriend - Justin Bieber 06 06 Starships - Nicki Minaj 07 07 Wild Ones - Flo Rida feat. Sia 08 05 Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) - Kelly Clarkson 09 08 Part Of Me - Katy Perry 10 10 Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen
April 22, 2017
01 01 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran (11th of 12 weeks at #1) 02 NE HUMBLE. - Kendrick Lamar 03 02 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars 04 05 iSpy - Kyle feat. Lil Yachty 05 03 Something Just Like This - The Chainsmokers & Coldplay 06 12 Body Like a Back Road - Sam Hunt 07 04 I Feel It Coming - The Weeknd feat. Daft Punk 08 08 Tunnel Vision - Kodak Black 09 09 Paris - The Chainsmokers 10 11 Rockabye - Clean Bandit feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie
16 49 XO TOUR Llif3 - Lil Uzi Vert
April 24, 2021
01 NE Rapstar - Polo G (1st of 2 weeks at #1) 02 02 MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) - Lil Nas X 03 01 Leave The Door Open - Silk Sonic (Bruno Mars & Anderson .Paak) 04 03 Peaches - Justin Bieber feat. Daniel Caesar & Giveon 05 06 Save Your Tears - The Weeknd 06 07 Levitating - Dua Lipa feat. DaBaby 07 NE Kiss Me More - Doja Cat feat. SZA 08 04 Up - Cardi B 09 05 drivers license - Olivia Rodrigo 10 10 Astronaut In The Ocean - Masked Wolf
16 RE Ruff Ryders Anthem - DMX
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annoymous1
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Post by annoymous1 on Apr 17, 2022 11:58:53 GMT -5
Ah the debut of Kiss Me More. even tho it never went #1.....it had great longevity and is a grammy winning song.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 12:03:38 GMT -5
Any chance Bad Habits and Shivers hopefully go recurrent soon?
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 17, 2022 12:23:10 GMT -5
Any chance Bad Habits and Shivers hopefully go recurrent soon? Not really lol. Bad Habits will probably last to 52, more if it stays in the top 25(wouldn't put it past that song, it doesn't seem to ever want to leave). Shivers will probably last for at least another 10+ weeks
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Post by Groovy on Apr 17, 2022 13:37:28 GMT -5
Speaking of recurrency, there’s a chance we could lose Sand in My Boots, Love Nwantiti and Heart on Fire this week.
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Post by gikem on Apr 17, 2022 13:56:41 GMT -5
Speaking of recurrency, there’s a chance we could lose Sand in My Boots, Love Nwantiti and Heart on Fire this week. Love Nwantiti is definitely possible (it was predicted to leave last week), Sand In My Boots is on the cusp but I'm gonna lean towards it not leaving just yet, and Heart On Fire has not peaked on country radio yet.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 17, 2022 20:31:42 GMT -5
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 18, 2022 7:24:35 GMT -5
Lil Baby. could debut at #11 and #12 after all:
Also, here are some other predictions:
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