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Post by nathanalbright on Apr 11, 2022 18:50:53 GMT -5
Although Daughtry was marketed as a rock band, the singles were still mostly successful on Pop, Adult Contemporary, and Adult Top 40, with only minimal success in Mainstream Rock and not at all in Modern Rock/Alternative. David Cook was popular on AC, Adult Top 40 and Pop.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 11, 2022 19:03:49 GMT -5
Although Daughtry was marketed as a rock band, the singles were still mostly successful on Pop, Adult Contemporary, and Adult Top 40, with only minimal success in Mainstream Rock and not at all in Modern Rock/Alternative. David Cook was popular on AC, Adult Top 40 and Pop. Chart wise, do you think it's an advantage or slap? |
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Post by nathanalbright on Apr 11, 2022 19:21:59 GMT -5
Anything that gives you more attention and the potential for more fans is probably an advantage. It's not like having that kind of industry push will guarantee success, but it's a lot better than the odds of becoming a pop star without having connections and a push at all.
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Apr 11, 2022 19:22:07 GMT -5
Meanwhile Katy Perry's OOTB album having similar fate with Breakaway. Although her Ur so Gay album sounds rockier than 100% of Hot Rock entries since 2013.
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Post by million on Apr 11, 2022 20:21:51 GMT -5
I will never understand why the radio loves big energy so much Dr. Luke seizing every new opportunity he get$, that's your answer. |
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Post by Limited Edition on Apr 11, 2022 21:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah, plus Save Your Tears took about a month really to take off iirc. It went for adds in late 2020, but we really didn't much movement until the start of the new year. Save Your Tears became huge the moment the music video was released. The same has not happened to Out Of Time. Save Your Tears first week video views: over 40M Out Of Time first week views: Only 17M Out Of Time is also declining fast and now getting just above 1M views. SYT was getting well over 4M daily views over a week after release. Of course it's possible Out Of Time becomes a hit, but it's looking very unlikely. |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Apr 11, 2022 22:04:32 GMT -5
Oh great, just what the charts needed: CCM.... ok satan |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Apr 11, 2022 22:07:56 GMT -5
Contemporary Christian Music Have there been any other big Christian hits this century other than You Say and the songs off of Jesus is King? didn’t God Only Knows chart on the Hot 100 in 2019? I’m pretty sure Oceans made it in late 2013 or early 2014 too. The Fray’s stuff was usually counted as Christian |
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Post by mms82 on Apr 11, 2022 23:13:55 GMT -5
Have there been any other big Christian hits this century other than You Say and the songs off of Jesus is King? didn’t God Only Knows chart on the Hot 100 in 2019? I’m pretty sure Oceans made it in late 2013 or early 2014 too. The Fray’s stuff was usually counted as Christian The Fray is CCM? More reason to like them! I did not know that |
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Post by hughster1 on Apr 11, 2022 23:31:10 GMT -5
Look What You Made Me Do (also sampled I'm Too Sexy) In My Feelings (sampled Lollipop) I'll Be Missing You (sampled Every Breath You Take) Don't forget Biggie's "Hypnotize", which samples Herb Alpert's "Rise" Should we count "Blurred Lines" and "Got to Give It Up," and "Shape of You" and "No Scrubs"? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 12, 2022 0:13:39 GMT -5
Oh great, just what the charts needed: CCM.... ok satan I didn't know not liking CCM was immediately satanist 🙄🙄🙄 For the record, even when I was Catholic, I still hated this type of music. |
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Post by After Minutes on Apr 12, 2022 2:39:30 GMT -5
Yeah, plus Save Your Tears took about a month really to take off iirc. It went for adds in late 2020, but we really didn't much movement until the start of the new year. Save Your Tears became huge the moment the music video was released. The same has not happened to Out Of Time. Save Your Tears first week video views: over 40M Out Of Time first week views: Only 17M Out Of Time is also declining fast and now getting just above 1M views. SYT was getting well over 4M daily views over a week after release. Of course it's possible Out Of Time becomes a hit, but it's looking very unlikely. The SYT video was released later in its run than OOT's, about a month or so in, plus he was getting a wind off the Grammy snub. |
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Post by velaxti on Apr 12, 2022 3:47:17 GMT -5
I didn't know not liking CCM was immediately satanist 🙄🙄🙄 For the record, even when I was Catholic, I still hated this type of music. I'm only quoting you because you're the most recent post in this conversation, I direct this to everybody. But most of the pop stars are actually very religious I think. I've been studying Kabbalah since 2015, and it has changed my life and I fully believe in it. And what I've noticed is that almost all the pop stars seem to be into it as well. Once you've studied it you start notice it in songs. A lot of party pop songs are actually religious songs. I know for a fact that Ariana Grande and Madonna are the same religion as me because I have mutual friends with them. It's surprising how many of the general public think they are atheists. But basically, I wouldn't worry about a Christian song being in the charts. The charts have been dominated with religious music for decades already. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 12, 2022 4:11:28 GMT -5
I didn't know not liking CCM was immediately satanist 🙄🙄🙄 For the record, even when I was Catholic, I still hated this type of music. I'm only quoting you because you're the most recent post in this conversation, I direct this to everybody. But most of the pop stars are actually very religious I think. I've been studying Kabbalah since 2015, and it has changed my life and I fully believe in it. And what I've noticed is that almost all the pop stars seem to be into it as well. Once you've studied it you start notice it in songs. A lot of party pop songs are actually religious songs. I know for a fact that Ariana Grande and Madonna are the same religion as me because I have mutual friends with them. It's surprising how many of the general public think they are atheists. But basically, I wouldn't worry about a Christian song being in the charts. The charts have been dominated with religious music for decades already. that's not the same thing. There's a difference between an artist being Christian and practicing that faith outside of their artistic persona or an artist writing about their faith - their doubts and history of faith in relation to their struggles - and artists directly marketing themselves to Christian audiences. The former is the norm but the latter is what people diss and mock "Christian Contemporary Music." It's the same reason why people have movies about faith and religion such as Doubt, First Reformed even The Prince of Egypt and The Last Temptation of Christ in a positive light but will speak negatively over schlock like God's Not Dead or whatever bs Kirk Cameron or Kevin Sorbo make. Being an artist of faith does not make the art they make "religious", if Cardi B said she was Christian, no one would say WAP is a religious song. And if you still don't get the difference. Here are songs about faith and religion, not primarily towards a Christian demographic And here is what songs for a Christian market sound like |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 12, 2022 6:47:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not sure why a distaste for Christian/religious songs necessarily means one is against any/all references to religious beliefs or any mention of a god in music at all. There’s plenty of great music and songs that reference beliefs of the singer to varying degrees that do so that I still enjoy as an atheist. It’s too early in the morning for me to try and decipher the difference between those and songs of the “Christian” variety of genres. Maybe they’re less on-the-nose? Less preachy? I’m not sure.
Lori Mckenna in particular references church and Jesus in her music fairly regularly. Gaga is pretty upfront about her beliefs, as is Brandi Carlile. I got Joy Oladokun’s album a few weeks back and the themes and even general sound of the album seem to align with religion quite a bit —granted she writes them from the perspective as a queer Black woman. I guess the common theme seems to be that these examples come from places of authenticity and aren’t the Hallmark equivalent of Christian lyrics and music. Idk
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 12, 2022 7:51:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not sure why a distaste for Christian/religious songs necessarily means one is against any/all references to religious beliefs or any mention of a god in music at all. There’s plenty of great music and songs that reference beliefs of the singer to varying degrees that do so that I still enjoy as an atheist. It’s too early in the morning for me to try and decipher the difference between those and songs of the “Christian” variety of genres. Maybe they’re less on-the-nose? Less preachy? I’m not sure. Lori Mckenna in particular references church and Jesus in her music fairly regularly. Gaga is pretty upfront about her beliefs, as is Brandi Carlile. I got Joy Oladokun’s album a few weeks back and the themes and even general sound of the album seem to align with religion quite a bit —granted she writes them from the perspective as a queer Black woman. I guess the common theme seems to be that these examples come from places of authenticity and aren’t the Hallmark equivalent of Christian lyrics and music. Idk Part of it is the music is less preachy but I think the bigger part of it is a lack of a human touch. I almost called CCM music indoctrination earlier but I think that's not really true because this isn't music to get people into or interested in Christianity or its belief. It's music for people who are already self-assured and devout in their beliefs and want reassurance they picked "the right belief". And so most of the lyrics will boil down to just repeating that faith or repeating how much God is good. So if you aren't in that camp, if you aren't a Christian or a devout one, you're not gonna get much enjoyment out of it. And sure, there's art that you can enjoy even if you might disagree with it on some parts, but the thing is with CCM this isn't based on concrete fact but based in faith. People can call me "Satan" for thinking CCM suck (real classy btw to call people who don't like Christian stuff art "satanists", truly spreading the loving message of Jesus and the Bible right there) but hey, at least music with Satanist themes doesn't beat you over the head with how their beliefs are better than others and how you're life will be so much better if you just believe what they believe. And again this is not a dig against Christians or Christianity, or that art with explicit religious themes or a bias towards religion is inherently worse than secular art. Even outside of music, one of the most beautiful architectural sites I ever saw was the La Sagrada Familia in Madrid, it was a beautiful work with devout intentions. Nor does it also mean btw that my opinion of this type of music would change even if it was aligned with my faith: even if this was music about agnosticism, if it still kept that same self-satisfied, self-secured smugness, it would still be just as annoying and just as exclusive towards others. And no one, religious or atheist, likes the smug asshole who thinks they know it all. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 12, 2022 9:01:06 GMT -5
US Spotify - 04/11/22
1(=) Jack Harlow - First Class 3,150,371 (+79,279)
2(=) Harry Styles - As It Was 2,534,965 (+333,872)
3(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 864,436 (+17,066)
4(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 639,713 (-6,104)
5(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 598,203 (+5,424)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 583,130 (+8,790)
7(=) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 568,445 (+10,424)
8(+3) Jack Harlow - Nail Tech 554,138 (+30,905)
9(=) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 552,322 (+18,732)
10(=) Doja Cat - Woman 541,921 (+8,897)
Others:
11(+1) Lil Baby - Right On 540,656 (+48,177)
12(+1) Justin Bieber - Ghost 533,442 (+41,749)
14(-6) Carolina Gaitán - La Gaita, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz, Encanto Cast - We Don't Talk About Bruno 516,159 (-24,345)
16(-2) Lil Tjay - In My Head 498,066 (+14,451)
17(-2) Doja Cat - Need to Know 490,508 (+14,224)
18(+1) The Walters - I Love You So 487,804 (+47,148)
19(+1) Arctic Monkeys - 505 486,444 (+51,904)
20(+1) Camila Cabello - Bam Bam 481,808 (+49,306)
21(-3) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 471,258 (+4,903)
22(+3) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 468,843 (+55,063)
24(+4) Tyler the Creator - See You Again 457,077 (+54,991)
25(-3) Dove Cameron - Boyfriend 446,890 (+17,786)
27(+2) WILLOW - Wait a Minute! 434,018 (+35,506)
30(=) Yeat - Monëy so big 419,290 (+20,945)
33(-2) Gunna, Future - pushin P 403,321 (+16,131)
35(+3) Shawn Mendes - When You're Gone 400,374 (+39,870)
36(+4) Frank Ocean - Lost 394,624 (+38,350)
39(+5) Elley Duhé - MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 376,134 (+41,568)
40(-1) Morgan Wallen - Wasted On You 375,838 (+18,287)
41(-7) GAYLE - abcdefu 375,590 (+7,625)
42(+8) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 375,416 (+49,389)
43(-1) Charlie Puth - Light Switch 374,401 (+23,752)
44(+3) Tyler the Creator - NEW MAGIC WAND 373,895 (+44,332)
45(-8) Lil Durk - Broadway Girls 371,042 (+10,214)
46(+13) Yahritza Y Su Esencia - Soy El Unico 362,391 (+54,259)
47(-6) Becky G, KAROL G - MAMIII 359,566 (+8,077)
53(+2) AnnenMayKantereit, Giant Rooks - Tom's Diner 337,963 (+23,787)
54(-3) Post Malone - One Right Now 337,685 (+17,655)
55(+3) The Rare Occasions - Notion 331,324 (+23,128)
58(+10) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 324,689 (+36,751)
60(-8) Dua Lipa - Levitating 319,431 (+672)
62(+23) Lil Durk - What Happened To Virgil 318,039 (+47,457)
66(+18) Lauren Spencer-Smith - Fingers Crossed 310,001 (+39,350)
67(+65) Cafuné - Tek It 308,639 (+72,165)
70(-13) BIA, J. Cole - LONDON 307,149 (-1,455)
71(+22) Beach House - Space Song 305,694 (+38,655)
73(+8) Charlie Puth - That's Hilarious 305,622 (+32,193)
75(-11) Megan Thee Stallion, Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 302,739 (+9,336)
76(-6) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 302,472 (+18,240)
77(+15) Ruth B. - Dandelions 301,674 (+34,520)
78(-12) Latto - Big Energy 300,084 (+8,949)
79(+32) Lil Baby - In a Minute 299,576 (+48,988)
82(-5) Tiësto, Ava Max - The Motto 297,794 (+18,598)
84(+20) The Neighbourhood - Softcore 297,110 (+42,432)
87(+19) Camila Cabello, WILLOW - psychofreak 293,585 (+39,305)
95(+6) Gunna - Banking On Me 285,366 (+28,745)
96(-1) SZA - I Hate U 284,488 (+19,044)
99(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 280,319 (+21,273)
100(-25) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 279,275 (-1,503)
101(+13) Gunna - P power 277,675 (+30,614)
102(+6) Playboi Carti - Sky 276,648 (+23,132)
107(+2) BoyWithUke - IDGAF 272,773 (+19,605)
116(+13) Vundabar - Alien Blues 265,741 (+28,465)
117(+1) ERNEST - Flower Shops 265,278 (+20,407)
118(-13) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 265,149 (+10,775)
120(=) Nardo Wick - Me or Sum 263,081 (+21,562)
121(-18) Kevin Gates - Thinking with My Dick 262,178-255,737 (+6,441)
126(+2) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 258,406 (+19,283)
127(+21) Foo Fighters - Everlong 258,118 (+29,976)
129(+23) CORPSE, OmenXIII - POLTERGEIST! 257,863 (+31,126)
130(+19) Yeat - Poppin 257,013 (+28,954)
133(+5) Jack Harlow, jetsonmade - I WANNA SEE SOME ASS 255,020 (+21,455)
134(-40) 4*TOWN (From Disney and Pixar’s Turning Red), Jordan Fisher, Finneas O'Connell, Josh Levi, Topher Ngo, Grayson Villanueva - Nobody Like U 254,886 (-10,756)
148(-9) Anitta - Envolver 248,490 (+14,971)
151(-10) Pharrell Williams - Just a Cloud Away 246,686 (+16,786)
155(-15) Tyler the Creator - Come On, Let's Go 244,196 (+13,151)
158(-2) Russ - HANDSOMER Remix 241,109 (+14,921)
163(+13) The Weeknd - Out of Time 240,226 (+27,269)
167(+8) Labrinth - Mount Everest 236,506 (+22,627)
171(+11) Vacations - Young 233,360 (+22,768)
172(-10) Rauw Alejandro, Chencho Corleone - Desesperados 233,236 (+14,429)
188(-20) Fivio Foreign, Vory, Polo G - Changed On Me 226,333 (+9,528)
192(re-entry) Gucci Mane - Rumors 225,320
193(re-entry) Machine Gun Kelly - make up sex 224,930
194(-8) JVKE - this is what falling in love feels like 224,888 (+15,407)
196(re-entry) Imagine Dragons - Bones 224,124
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 538,725
Biggest Gains (50K+): Tek It, Soy El Unico, See You Again, Dark Red, 505, No Role Modelz, As It Was, First Class
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Post by gs on Apr 12, 2022 9:21:45 GMT -5
Unless Jack has weirdly low AM streams he's not debuting #2 lol. He'll be around the 400 point mark and Harry will drop to the 300 point mark
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Post by lazer on Apr 12, 2022 9:25:34 GMT -5
I didn't realize No Role Modelz was in the Spotify Top 20. Gotta be J Coles signature song.
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Post by mms82 on Apr 12, 2022 9:49:53 GMT -5
I didn't realize No Role Modelz was in the Spotify Top 20. Gotta be J Coles signature song. It went all the way up to number 12 after the Oscars as people associated the song's line about Will and Jada with the events and started streaming it more |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 12, 2022 9:59:33 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2022 » / « 04 » / « 12 »
1(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 86.86(-0.05)
2(=) Latto & Mariah Carey - Big Energy (Remix) [feat. DJ Khaled] 80.36(+0.56)
3(+1) Imagine Dragons - Enemy From League Of Legend 78.48(+1.04)
4(-1) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 78.09(+0.06)
5(=) Doja Cat - Woman 77.14(-0.23)
6(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 74.00(-0.59)
7(=) Justin Bieber - Ghost 72.36(-0.02)
8(=) Post Malone & The Weeknd - One Right Now 56.61(-0.34)
9(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 55.67(-0.07)
10(=) GAYLE - abcdefu 52.93(-0.98)
14(=) Dierks Bentley - Beers On Me (feat. BRELAND & HARDY) 43.03(+0.97)
15(+1) Muni Long - Hrs And Hrs 43.00(+1.44)
19(+5) Harry Styles - As It Was 37.92(+2.28)
34(+2) Jnr Choi - To The Moon 31.67(+1.23)
77(+3) Shawn Mendes - When You're Gone 16.68(+1.24)
-(-) Zzoilo - Mon Amour f/Aitana 1.22(+0.95) +
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 12, 2022 10:03:09 GMT -5
Last year:
4/3: Peaches
4/10: Montero vs Peaches
4/17: LTDO vs Montero vs Peaches
This year:
4/16: As It Was
4/23: First Class vs As It Was
4/30: Morgan’s new single vs First Class vs As It Was
If the trend continues, what will be this year’s Polo G/Rapstar?
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Post by iHype. on Apr 12, 2022 10:06:10 GMT -5
Unless Jack has weirdly low AM streams he's not debuting #2 lol. He'll be around the 400 point mark and Harry will drop to the 300 point mark Yeah, the fact Hip-Hop usually always does *higher* if not very similar streams on Apple Music means he is basically locked for #1. This is going to do around 25 million on Spotify first week, which would mean over 50 million audio streams total. That’s higher numbers than Harry did his first week, let alone a second week drop. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Apr 12, 2022 10:56:16 GMT -5
There's a lot of people in here assuming that Morgan Wallen's new single is going to be some sort of terrible self-righteous song. Given that most of his music is pretty authentic about his interpersonal difficulties and problem drinking and all, how about we let the song come out before we bash it. Let's also let the song come out before we assume it's a #1 contender. There will be plenty of time to critique the song and rate it's chart chances when we have the song and some numbers to look at.
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Post by rimetm on Apr 12, 2022 11:09:24 GMT -5
From the snippet I've read the lyrics of, I could see it being either CCM pandering or something earnest and self-effacing ala "Flower Shops". I haven't listened to the audio itself, so I don't know which way the production leans, and the lyrics so far seem like they could fit either context.
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Post by dodgerslakers94 on Apr 12, 2022 11:10:57 GMT -5
Morgan at #1? Lol ok.
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 12, 2022 12:11:15 GMT -5
4 songs at 600k.
It would be nice if there was a trickle down effect, but nah.
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Post by loveless on Apr 12, 2022 12:13:09 GMT -5
From the snippet I've read the lyrics of, I could see it being either CCM pandering or something earnest and self-effacing ala "Flower Shops". I haven't listened to the audio itself, so I don't know which way the production leans, and the lyrics so far seem like they could fit either context. That's a good point about the audio- there are plenty of songs that are just about reaffirming someone's faith that sound beautiful. CCM on the other hand almost universally sounds like garbage. Just the most soulless, boilerplate production and performances possible. |
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