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Post by JukeboxJacob on Apr 15, 2022 22:16:58 GMT -5
Well, I actually think Morgan's song is pretty good and I will be re-listening to it. Lizzo, who? But, I'm still not convinced he's fully a #1 contender. How fast did Harry and Jack Harlow reach Apple Music's top spot? Donβt just write Lizzo off like that!
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Post by thegreatdivine on Apr 15, 2022 22:18:44 GMT -5
Morgan Wallen's new single is great, just like his album, Dangerous. It really shouldn't surprise anyone that his music is still being as heavily supported as it is. Countless problematic musicians have seen continued support despite things they've said or done in the past simply because enough people still find their music worth their time. That will never end.
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Post by Anticonformity on Apr 16, 2022 1:46:03 GMT -5
CCM is the only genre that is lyrics based... (yet have rules and hoops to jump through even based on that... morality contracts for one!)
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Post by Darkest Hour on Apr 16, 2022 2:15:27 GMT -5
Since Don't Think Jesus didn't debut at #1 in US Apple Music daily chart (it's #2 behind First Class), and from my observation he usually did better in Apple Music than Spotify, I don't think it will perform better than 2nd week of First Class.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 16, 2022 2:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 16, 2022 6:12:28 GMT -5
1.45M for Wallen on Spotify. Still #1 contender to some people here obviously.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Apr 16, 2022 6:23:51 GMT -5
1.45M for Wallen on Spotify. Still #1 contender to some people here obviously. Still good enough for #3 on Spotify. Itβs looking like a #3 debut on the Hot 100 for Morgan, which isnβt that bad.
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 16, 2022 6:27:23 GMT -5
I really hate how problematic Morgan is because I would really want to root for him- It's always nice seeing country artists get this much success outside of just country radio. Morgan is probably the biggest country star we've seen since Taylor Swift, in the sense where they both already developed a devoted following so early in their career and pretty much anything they release will receive some sort of success. Only difference is Taylor didn't scream the n word out in public but what can you do :/
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 7:54:20 GMT -5
I really hate how problematic Morgan is because I would really want to root for him- It's always nice seeing country artists get this much success outside of just country radio. Morgan is probably the biggest country star we've seen since Taylor Swift, in the sense where they both already developed a devoted following so early in their career and pretty much anything they release will receive some sort of success. Only difference is Taylor didn't scream the n word out in public but what can you do :/ What success has Wallen had outside of country radio, other than appealing to racists?
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 16, 2022 8:18:47 GMT -5
I really hate how problematic Morgan is because I would really want to root for him- It's always nice seeing country artists get this much success outside of just country radio. Morgan is probably the biggest country star we've seen since Taylor Swift, in the sense where they both already developed a devoted following so early in their career and pretty much anything they release will receive some sort of success. Only difference is Taylor didn't scream the n word out in public but what can you do :/ What success has Wallen had outside of country radio, other than appealing to racists? I mean... he just debuted top 3 on spotify. Yes there is a good chance that racists have started streaming his music, but let's not act like he wasn't seeing success before the incident as well. Whiskey Glasses performed moderately well on streaming for a country song, while 7 Summers was a genuine hit and he also had an album bomb on the charts, which is pretty unseen for country artists. His album still doing extremely well on Billboard 200, and I think that has to do with SOMETHING other than just racists supporting it. Trust me the last thing I wanna do is praise Morgan Wallen, but it's obvious people are resonating with his music
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Post by Gary on Apr 16, 2022 8:22:31 GMT -5
I am sure there are some 'racists' in the fanbase but it should be clear by now that the vast majority are there for the music.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 8:23:53 GMT -5
What success has Wallen had outside of country radio, other than appealing to racists? I mean... he just debuted top 3 on spotify. Yes there is a good chance that racists have started streaming his music, but let's not act like he wasn't seeing success before the incident as well. Whiskey Glasses performed moderately well on streaming for a country song, while 7 Summers was a genuine hit and he also had an album bomb on the charts, which is pretty unseen for country artists. His album still doing extremely well on Billboard 200, and I think that has to do with SOMETHING other than just racists supporting it. Trust me the last thing I wanna do is praise Morgan Wallen, but it's obvious people are resonating with his music I'm just asking how you know those streamers are people who don't usually listen to country music.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 16, 2022 8:43:16 GMT -5
Luke Combs has even a #2 hit as a solo artist. I would argue he is even bigger than Wallen.
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Post by imbondz on Apr 16, 2022 8:44:43 GMT -5
I am sure there are some 'racists' in the fanbase but it should be clear by now that the vast majority are there for the music. This.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 8:54:01 GMT -5
I am sure there are some 'racists' in the fanbase but it should be clear by now that the vast majority are there for the music. I don't think anyone said otherwise. I can say for myself I was speaking outside of country music, but to this point no one has provided any real information there.
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 16, 2022 8:58:54 GMT -5
I mean... he just debuted top 3 on spotify. Yes there is a good chance that racists have started streaming his music, but let's not act like he wasn't seeing success before the incident as well. Whiskey Glasses performed moderately well on streaming for a country song, while 7 Summers was a genuine hit and he also had an album bomb on the charts, which is pretty unseen for country artists. His album still doing extremely well on Billboard 200, and I think that has to do with SOMETHING other than just racists supporting it. Trust me the last thing I wanna do is praise Morgan Wallen, but it's obvious people are resonating with his music I'm just asking how you know those streamers are people who don't usually listen to country music. I never really said that, just said he's receiving streaming success outside of *radio*. I'm sure a lot of country fans get their music from the radio, and those who don't probably use other streaming platforms. While Spotify & Apple Music is mostly mainstream pop/rap etc rather than country, so seeing country songs get traction there usually means they're big among the genre. And for Morgan to dominate them has to mean something
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Post by divasummer on Apr 16, 2022 9:02:22 GMT -5
I'm just asking how you know those streamers are people who don't usually listen to country music. I never really said that, just said he's receiving streaming success outside of *radio*. I'm sure a lot of country fans get their music from the radio, and those who don't probably use other streaming platforms. While Spotify & Apple Music is mostly mainstream pop/rap etc rather than country, so seeing country songs get traction there usually means they're big among the genre. And for Morgan to dominate them has to mean something I believe Amazon is the biggest streaming platform for Country artists. At least they do a lot of country artist exclusives/promo etc.
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 16, 2022 9:02:55 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist.
anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high.
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 16, 2022 9:07:25 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high. My god ya'll love to twist words... Yes there is a high chance most of the listeners are racist. All redneck country men who probably shout out the n word in public all the time. But there's a difference in being racist and streaming the music BECAUSE you want to see a racist artist thrive, and streaming the music because they actually like it. In this case it's most likely the latter, a lot of them could be racist but still like the music lol. I'm sure Morgan wouldn't be seeing this amount of longevity otherwise. This discussion is becoming a bit stupid so I'll stop adding to it after this
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Post by Gary on Apr 16, 2022 9:15:03 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. It is sad that that you think that. He was a big star before - The "incident" was February 2021 and did see a short sales spike from the news story which has long since washed away. His album was #1 "pre-incident" and is still one of the biggest in the country. Do you really think more than a year past a story that has long since left the news cycle that people are paying that close attention. I acknowledge there are probably racists in the fanbase but there are probably many walks of life that listen to his music. I listen to his music - If you want to think that makes me racist, I don't really care.
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Post by mms82 on Apr 16, 2022 9:15:56 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high. the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted... unlike you who is clearly incredibly classist saying that because someone likes popular country music they're "mostly racist".
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 16, 2022 9:19:41 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high. the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted... unlike you who is clearly incredibly classist saying that because someone likes popular country music they're "mostly racist". LOLOLOLOL. Thanks for the laughs today. Anyway, listen to Taylor + Kelsea + Mickey + Carly. Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high. Yes there is a high chance most of the listeners are racist. All redneck country men who probably shout out the n word in public all the time. But there's a difference in being racist and streaming the music BECAUSE you want to see a racist artist thrive, and streaming the music because they actually like it. In this case it's most likely the latter, a lot of them could be racist but still like the music lol. Right, I didn't say anything to the contrary. Those random maga songs that kept topping itunes since last year don't have longevity.
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Post by joshtheking on Apr 16, 2022 9:22:18 GMT -5
Luke Combs has even a #2 hit as a solo artist. I would argue he is even bigger than Wallen. Definitely fair. Chris Stapleton another one who does pretty well on streaming, The longevity of Tennessee Whiskey is still insane to me
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 16, 2022 9:22:39 GMT -5
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I can't wait for this week to be over.
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 16, 2022 9:25:36 GMT -5
Luke Combs has even a #2 hit as a solo artist. I would argue he is even bigger than Wallen. Definitely fair. Chris Stapleton another one who does pretty well on streaming, The longevity of Tennessee Whiskey is still insane to me Chris actually does quite poorly on streaming. He had 11 weeks in the sales top 10 with his last album (more than wallen) Yet only 2 weeks in the overall top 10. If acharts is right, only 2 weeks in the top 20 in fact.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 16, 2022 9:27:24 GMT -5
Is this literally the first time Gary has admitted to listening to specific music by a specific artist? I'm gagged!
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 9:35:17 GMT -5
Who says those who are "there for the music" are not also mostly racist? I fail to see how it's "clear the vast majority" are not racist. anyway, us spotify peaks for this person: wasted 1233k summers 2270k sand 1021k problem 1345k 865 907k Definitely not near the previous high. the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted... unlike you who is clearly incredibly classist saying that because someone likes popular country music they're "mostly racist". What proof do you have that the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted? As for country music and its fans, I will just present the evidence that by and large the most successful country acts are white men. The occasional white women does break through (and a bit more lately), but very few black men break through and essentially no black women do. If that doesn't say something about the audience, then what does it say?
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Post by Gary on Apr 16, 2022 9:44:19 GMT -5
the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted... unlike you who is clearly incredibly classist saying that because someone likes popular country music they're "mostly racist". What proof do you have that the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted? As for country music and its fans, I will just present the evidence that by and large the most successful country acts are white men. The occasional white women does break through (and a bit more lately), but very few black men break through and essentially no black women do. If that doesn't say something about the audience, then what does it say? You are not a country music fan - got it. Your comments don't say anything to me at all that the audience is racist. Just says country music performers have a gender problem -- always has been the case -- I agree, What proof do you have that the Morgan Wallen audience is vastly racist or bigoted or the country music audience in general?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Apr 16, 2022 9:48:50 GMT -5
the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted... unlike you who is clearly incredibly classist saying that because someone likes popular country music they're "mostly racist". What proof do you have that the vast majority of people aren't racist or bigoted? As for country music and its fans, I will just present the evidence that by and large the most successful country acts are white men. The occasional white women does break through (and a bit more lately), but very few black men break through and essentially no black women do. If that doesn't say something about the audience, then what does it say? Holy f**k I understand it sucks seeing a problematic artist get success, especially it feels like they haven't learned their lesson. But seriously, you are NOT helping with this overly aggressive liberal attitude. Stop it, you're not helping your cause. If you really had a problem with the music industry and race, you would NOT just be looking at country. Just accept Morgan's success is what it is and go support country acts you think are worth supporting.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 16, 2022 9:50:59 GMT -5
Your comments don't anything to me at all that the audience is racist. Just says country music performers have a gender problem -- always has been the case -- I agree, You don't think there is a race problem with country performers, just gender? Anyway I think at least in part what is on radio and sells is driven by consumers, and to a degree research has shown country music listeners want to hear white men. While I think it's more complicated/layered than that to be sure, that still says something. The overall whiteness of the industry - from execs to writers to performers and so on - is evidence, though please note that I did not say his audience is vastly racist/bigoted. I asked a question, and my point was more so asking how we can make any sort of general statement about his audience.
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