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Post by wjr15 on Jun 29, 2024 14:40:32 GMT -5
Partnership between Katy and electronics company Denon
Also, Katy made an appearance at the grand opening of the Stonewall National Monument Visitor Center yesterday:
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jun 29, 2024 15:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 29, 2024 20:19:37 GMT -5
I mean, the way we feel about him aside, Luke isn't R. Kelly. He hasn't been convicted of a crime. Not to sidetrack further but R. Kelly went through the ringer and got off too without being convicted - for years… until he got convicted and sentenced.
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Post by Grün on Jun 29, 2024 21:10:59 GMT -5
Honestly not a Kerry Perry fan, but who cares if she works with Dr.Luke? I am positive some of the people clutching their pearls, stream one of the songs he wrote and produced. He wrote a litany of hits.
A bunch of other artists are still working with him.
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 29, 2024 21:34:51 GMT -5
I mean, the way we feel about him aside, Luke isn't R. Kelly. He hasn't been convicted of a crime. Not to sidetrack further but R. Kelly went through the ringer and got off too without being convicted - for years… until he got convicted and sentenced. But like...people saw video of him peeing on teenagers. That feels a tad different, lol.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 29, 2024 21:59:14 GMT -5
I mean, the way we feel about him aside, Luke isn't R. Kelly. He hasn't been convicted of a crime. Not to sidetrack further but R. Kelly went through the ringer and got off too without being convicted - for years… until he got convicted and sentenced. It's wild to me how long R. Kelly just...got off for his crimes. His first accusation was in the early 90s (!) and he was under investigation in 2000 up until they FINALLY nailed him for something 20 years later. Like, was he even that big to avoid actually being convicted for that long with many accusations/evidence? I will never not be baffled by it lol. Sorry, side track, it's just really freaking weird to me.
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Post by Coco on Jun 29, 2024 22:16:12 GMT -5
The shitty part is the snippet I heard last week sounds so promising. It sounds like one of her best singles for me. I'll wait until in full but sounds like a summer hit. But girl go away and sit down with calling it a women's anthem . A girls girl wouldn't work with alleged rapists and someone who fucked another woman's life and career. There is rumours that Lady Gaga demanded Diddy be fired from his management team and he finally got let go as they share the same management. Using your platform and power to help women Female empowerment
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Post by Caviar on Jun 29, 2024 23:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 30, 2024 7:09:08 GMT -5
Honestly not a Kerry Perry fan, but who cares if she works with Dr.Luke? I am positive some of the people clutching their pearls, stream one of the songs he wrote and produced. He wrote a litany of hits. A bunch of other artists are still working with him. This is the second time someone's posted this huge leap in assumption. If people are going out of their way to condemn/criticze Katy or any other artist working with him I doubt they're simultaneously playing his work secretly or knowingly. Furthermore, you can still detest and vocally condemn someone's actions and still enjoy their art. People separate art from the artist all the time. Some fans keep asserting "who cares" and being incredibly flippant/dismissive anytime someone has something less than glowing to say on the matter, but honestly a fairly sizeable group of people care and they're valid in their feelings. Not everyone is going to cheer financially supporting and championing an alleged rapist and horrible human being and that is ok. I don't understand the intense sensitivity that would lead people to dismiss and/or downplay his awful actions/behavior merely to prop up Katy. And who are these "bunch of other artists" he is working with? Kim Petras and Nicki Minaj? Two artists very familiar with scandal and who've been heavily criticized themselves? It's not as if he's still producing for the top artists in the game. Far from it actually. He's more or less a production pariah for most artists these days, especially in this climate. I'm convinced some of y'all wouldn't care if Katy collabed with Hitler so long as it had a beat you could move to. lol Some people align their morals and values with who they choose to support and that's understandable. If you don't, that's also fine. There's enough space for both opinions to be expressed respectfully in this thread.
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 30, 2024 10:19:16 GMT -5
Some of y’all are really beating a dead horse at this point LMAO
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 30, 2024 10:54:29 GMT -5
Why they published the first story without checking the facts lmao
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 30, 2024 14:24:16 GMT -5
Re-listening to Smile today. No skips! Well, maybe Resilient
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 30, 2024 14:30:00 GMT -5
Re-listening to Smile today. No skips! Well, maybe Resilient So many great songs! Never Really Over, Cry About It later, Teary Eyes, Not The End Of The World, Champagne Problems, Tucked, Harleys In Hawaii, Only Love are all single worthy. I’m convinced this era would’ve panned out better if it started in 2019 before Covid and Katy’s pregnancy.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 30, 2024 14:33:47 GMT -5
I take back what I say about Resilient Re-listening to Smile today. No skips! Well, maybe Resilient So many great songs! Never Really Over, Cry About It later, Teary Eyes, Not The End Of The World, Champagne Problems, Tucked, Harleys In Hawaii, Only Love are all single worthy. I’m convinced this era would’ve panned out better if it started in 2019 before Covid and Katy’s pregnancy. I agree. She should have launched it on the back of Never Really Over, instead of dropping Small Talk and HIH with no push, only to forget about all of them after she decided to relaunch with Daisies. I also wish the album had included Small Talk (if you have the courage to make it a single, include it on the album), 365 and Never Worn White. A deluxe version with Electric would have been good too
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 30, 2024 15:43:08 GMT -5
Some of y’all are really beating a dead horse at this point LMAO Hard to "beat a dead horse" in a page or two of convo when you could barely have a dialogue without overly-sensitive stans trying to silence any and all discussion but, sure. This era is definitely not off to the best start so hopefully the full single will be good enough to course-correct the era into a more positive direction. The reviews from the album preview were vague at best and didn't really give much to go on. Although I will say the "Harleys" comment gave me hope as "HIH" is a bop. So long as she delivers on the music and keeps the cringe quirky persona down she should be good. Still think it's a reach to think she'll be having a slew of #1s or an Emancipation-sized comeback, but it would be fun to witness! As for Smile, Smile was much better than Witness in the bops department. "Champagne Problems", "Only Love", "Daises", "Harleys In Hawaii", "Never Really Over", and "Cry About It Later" were all bops. "Never Really Over" needs to be the standard of which all Katy's songs are judged. lol
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Jun 30, 2024 15:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 30, 2024 15:53:24 GMT -5
^ She looks immaculate in the orange, but the white is giving drag Willy Wonka. Probably the glasses. lol
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Post by Grün on Jun 30, 2024 17:35:21 GMT -5
Honestly not a Kerry Perry fan, but who cares if she works with Dr.Luke? I am positive some of the people clutching their pearls, stream one of the songs he wrote and produced. He wrote a litany of hits. A bunch of other artists are still working with him. This is the second time someone's posted this huge leap in assumption. If people are going out of their way to condemn/criticze Katy or any other artist working with him I doubt they're simultaneously playing his work secretly or knowingly. Furthermore, you can still detest and vocally condemn someone's actions and still enjoy their art. People separate art from the artist all the time. Some fans keep asserting "who cares" and being incredibly flippant/dismissive anytime someone has something less than glowing to say on the matter, but honestly a fairly sizeable group of people care and they're valid in their feelings. Not everyone is going to cheer financially supporting and championing an alleged rapist and horrible human being and that is ok. I don't understand the intense sensitivity that would lead people to dismiss and/or downplay his awful actions/behavior merely to prop up Katy. And who are these "bunch of other artists" he is working with? Kim Petras and Nicki Minaj? Two artists very familiar with scandal and who've been heavily criticized themselves? It's not as if he's still producing for the top artists in the game. Far from it actually. He's more or less a production pariah for most artists these days, especially in this climate. I'm convinced some of y'all wouldn't care if Katy collabed with Hitler so long as it had a beat you could move to. lol Some people align their morals and values with who they choose to support and that's understandable. If you don't, that's also fine. There's enough space for both opinions to be expressed respectfully in this thread. To be honest, I don't care about Katy Perry one bit. However, her getting attacked for Dr.Luke is strange when Doja Cat, Latto, Nicki Minaj can do it. My point is that he produced a billion hits and I am sure people are still streaming those songs. If you stream, you are still giving him money, so what's the difference?
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 30, 2024 18:15:22 GMT -5
Katy is literally slaying every look like no other pop queen this era!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 30, 2024 18:21:13 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't care about Katy Perry one bit. However, her getting attacked for Dr.Luke is strange when Doja Cat, Latto, Nicki Minaj can do it. Doja was absolutely criticized for working with him. It's not a Katy-specific criticism; no one is picking on her. That's the part people continually overlook, but maybe they just weren't present when that was taking place Idk. Kim Petras was criticized for it as well and she's under contract. Nicki isn't receiving the same criticisms because people don't expect any less from her (as my God she's married to a rapist lol) and I don't think people genuinely care enough about Latto either way. lol It also depends on what audience the artist has whether or not they're criticized as well. But yeah, in no way has Katy been singled out in this regard. And most of us who are criticizing, don't in fact stream his songs. Still, it's the last thing I'll say on the matter as what's needed to be said has already been said and thoroughly explained enough to understand exactly why the criticisms are there. =)
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 30, 2024 19:11:54 GMT -5
Doja Cat was signed to Dr. Luke before Kesha even came forward. She has no choice but to work with him. To keep him off of Scarlet as a writer/producer, she had to sell off some of her own publishing. She's had to address this numerous times, not sure why people are acting like she hasn't gotten shit for it. Her case isn't typical though, because she's essentially trapped.
Nicki Minaj is problematic AF, she's literally married to a rapist and sex offender. You can't even use Dr. Luke against her, lol.
Latto is... nobody. Not trying to be mean, but she's not high profile enough in any sphere to gain any sort of meaningful clap back.
Kim Petras has gotten shit for this for years. She has been called out time and time again and had to address it numerous times. It's why she's blackballed by large swaths of the trans and gay community.
Katy Perry is a high profile celebrity. She is willingly choosing to work with an accused rapist. Of course she's gonna be called out. Not sure why people are acting obtuse about this.
I have no horse in this race and I've made my opinions on Dr. Luke very clear over the years. He's embedded in the music industry through his publishing company. Looking at only production credits means nothing. His army of writers are working with all your fav artists and you're giving him money whether you know it or not. He's just a reality of the industry at this point. So no, I won't not listen to this album. But I'm also smart enough to realize that working with him as a producer is stupid af. Katy is trying to stage a comeback, she needed this to be clean af and with no speed bumps. Is this gonna track with the general public? Probably not. But it tracks with a lot of her fanbase (gays and women) that are permanently online and also the press. This is all common sense shit you guys.
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Post by juanmiesk on Jun 30, 2024 20:33:06 GMT -5
I really wish this sudden hunger for success she seems to be having again didn't mean resorting to Dr. Luke. She didn't need that and it's keeping me from enjoying the era.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 1, 2024 0:40:01 GMT -5
Doja Cat was signed to Dr. Luke before Kesha even came forward. She has no choice but to work with him. To keep him off of Scarlet as a writer/producer, she had to sell off some of her own publishing. She's had to address this numerous times, not sure why people are acting like she hasn't gotten shit for it. Her case isn't typical though, because she's essentially trapped. Indeed. You will NOT see Doja having a song produced by Dr. Luke in 2024 so there's a difference.
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Post by spiritboy on Jul 1, 2024 4:05:52 GMT -5
People are still streaming Teenage Dream album and the songs and they are produced by Luke. The hypocrisy.
Personally, i don’t believe what Kesha says so i am perfectly fina with Katy with working with Luke.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 1, 2024 4:24:50 GMT -5
People are still streaming Teenage Dream album and the songs and they are produced by Luke. The hypocrisy. Stan Twitter was full of “we need Katy back, save us Katy!” posting California Gurls a few weeks ago. Was it produced by Dr Luke prior to Kesha’s allegations? Yes, but they shouldn’t be streaming it anymore if they feel that strongly about not supporting Katy now with new material
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 1, 2024 7:58:14 GMT -5
People are still streaming Teenage Dream album and the songs and they are produced by Luke. The hypocrisy. Stan Twitter was full of “we need Katy back, save us Katy!” posting California Gurls a few weeks ago. Was it produced by Dr Luke prior to Kesha’s allegations? Yes, but they shouldn’t be streaming it anymore if they feel that strongly about not supporting Katy now with new material it's like they have to ask themselves (or allow themselves heaven forbid) if it's ok to listen to one of her older classics and if it was before/after Kesha. Yes California Gurls, No Woman's World. What about Birthday? Can I go to sleep at night knowing I listened to that? lol. This back and forth with all this stuff is totally exhausting at this point. She could work with Donald Trump for all I care. Just give me some good music! I've got way too many things going on in my own life to bicker back and forth and write essays all day long about Katy Perry.
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 1, 2024 8:29:25 GMT -5
Oh lord, these think pieces (from both sides of the argument) are getting to be exhausting af because no one said has anything new on the subject in like 2 pages. It’s just the same posters reiterating the same points over and over.
If anything, this has shown how much people care about Katy with the number of posts on this matter lol
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Post by Choco on Jul 1, 2024 8:47:24 GMT -5
People care about the drama... Katy we'll see when the single drops. I still think it could go either way.
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Post by Snowbeast on Jul 1, 2024 9:45:32 GMT -5
Single should have been out last week. Teased way too early and feels like it came and went without the song actually dropping lol.
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Post by schnetzka on Jul 1, 2024 10:02:05 GMT -5
I can understand announcing albums that far in advance, but announcing singles weeks beforehand just seems odd. I know they are probably trying to drum up excitement, but even then, it is too long of a wait.
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